[05:42] <sakhi> morning
[06:08] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[06:11] <superfly> morning Kilos!
[06:12] <superfly> hiya sakhi
[06:38] <Kilos> lo sakhi Vince-0 
[06:38] <Vince-0> hey!
[06:39] <Vince-0> whats a sakhi? wine?
[06:39] <Kilos> huh
[06:39] <Kilos> lol
[06:50] <Kilos> lo Squirm 
[06:51] <Squirm> hello
[07:05] <sakhi> Vince-0: sakhi in a name
[07:05] <Kilos> yip
[07:06] <Kilos> dont you see a list of nicks online here?
[07:06] <Vince-0> oh yar
[07:07] <Kilos> lol
[07:07] <Kilos> still early . dont worry
[07:07] <Kilos> need some coffee
[07:07] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[07:07]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[07:07] <Kilos> Maaz, with cremora
[07:07] <Maaz> Ah! At last someone with taste
[07:07] <Kilos> Maaz, and milk
[07:07] <Maaz> Now you're talking
[07:11] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[07:13] <Kilos> Maaz, dankie man
[07:13] <Maaz> Groot plesier my vriend
[09:00] <kbmonkey> mornin' o/
[09:02] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey 
[09:04] <kbmonkey> hello Kilos. what was that tool called again to monitor your network traffic?
[09:04] <Kilos> iftop
[09:04] <kbmonkey> ah thanks!
[09:05] <Kilos> command sudo iftop -p -P
[09:07] <inetpro> don't leave iftop forever though
[09:07] <Kilos> oh my
[09:07] <Kilos> i run it full time
[09:08] <inetpro> it eats memory for breakfast until your machine crashes
[09:08] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[09:08] <kbmonkey> no just for investigation
[09:08] <kbmonkey> lol
[09:08] <inetpro> hello Kilos :-)
[09:08] <Kilos> how else will i know how much data has gone
[09:08] <kbmonkey> I had some xmpp requests without a jabber client open, just curious
[09:09] <Kilos> my iftop runs full time
[09:09] <kbmonkey> vnstat is much more suited to bandwidth usage
[09:09] <inetpro> Kilos: on your low end desktop you might not realise the inefficiencies that come with iftop
[09:09] <Kilos> oh
[09:09] <kbmonkey> iftop does hostname lookups so it uses more data kilos
[09:10] <Kilos> and what does vnstat do
[09:10] <kbmonkey> you can disable lookups but then you only see IP's, not host names (like google.com
[09:10] <inetpro> kbmonkey: no I think it's more the counters that keep adding up over time
[09:10] <kbmonkey> of course, also I mean iftop uses bandwidth to run inetpro 
[09:11] <inetpro> kbmonkey: hmm... I don't think so
[09:11] <Kilos> i dont think so kb
[09:11] <kbmonkey> vnstat runs as a daemon and it records data usage totals, it does not record where it goes to though. just summary,
[09:11] <Kilos> it only shows if you online with irc or pidgin otherwise it shows no data use
[09:12] <kbmonkey> Kilos, the man page says it does. it calls it 'substantial traffic'
[09:12] <Kilos> ok i will try vnstat
[09:12] <kbmonkey> it actually recommends disabling it with the -n option or by pressing n
[09:12] <Kilos> ok i take your word for it
[09:13] <inetpro> when running iftop on a firewall with many hosts going through you will notice increasing memory and cpu utilisation 
[09:13] <Kilos> ah
[09:13] <inetpro> the traffic is probably more because of the frequent changes in the display
[09:13] <kbmonkey> so you could press n to keep it off, and turn it on when you need to see the names 
[09:14] <Kilos> ok n turns it off and what turns it on again
[09:14] <inetpro> kbmonkey: ahh, it will do lots of dns lookups if you don't disable that
[09:16]  * inetpro should perhaps test the difference 
[09:17] <kbmonkey> n turns it on and off Kilos 
[09:18] <Kilos> ah ty kbmonkey 
[09:18] <kbmonkey> yw Kilos :]
[09:24] <kbmonkey> vnstat is about 78k, you have to compile it from source though, I'm not sure how you feel about that Kilos 
[09:25] <Kilos> it shows --help
[09:25] <kbmonkey> oh wait... it may be in the repos
[09:25] <Kilos> yesit is
[09:25] <Kilos> i have it
[09:25] <Kilos> was in synaptic
[09:25] <kbmonkey> ah clever man! 
[09:26] <Kilos> i dunno zilch about compiling
[09:26] <Kilos> its a frightening word
[09:26] <kbmonkey> the thing about linux apps, is the README file always explains how to do it :)
[09:26] <Kilos> but in vnstat --help there lotsa stuff
[09:27] <kbmonkey> I knew zilch at first too
[09:27] <kbmonkey> what do you get if you just run vnstat
[09:28] <Kilos> if you can understand it yes
[09:28] <Kilos> there even a --longhelp
[09:28] <Kilos> but its to get to use the right command that the trick
[09:28] <Kilos> it wants to create a data base
[09:28] <Kilos> vnstat -u -i eth0
[09:28] <kbmonkey> yes that's the command, to setup it once-off
[09:29] <kbmonkey> but you dont use eth0 do you? you on 3G?
[09:30] <Kilos> i gotta change eth0 to ppp0 i think
[09:30] <Kilos> ya
[09:30] <kbmonkey> yep, the same one you use for iftop -i
[09:30] <Kilos>  The following interfaces are currently available:
[09:30] <Kilos>     lo ppp0
[09:30] <kbmonkey> spot on!
[09:31] <Kilos> dunno what the lo is for
[09:31] <Waceman> tumbleweed: are you here my brother?
[09:31] <kbmonkey> lo is a loopback interface, also known as 127.0.0.1
[09:31] <Kilos> methinks i gotta sudo that command
[09:32] <kbmonkey> don't worry about lo, it is used for special things, it "loops back" to your own PC
[09:32] <Kilos> ah ty
[09:32] <kbmonkey> yes you have to sudo it, the database is stored in a special place
[09:34] <Kilos> gotta funny window
[09:34] <kbmonkey> you only create a new database once, then it's done
[09:34] <Kilos> does it run on its own from now
[09:35] <Waceman> Guys I installed my nVidia drivers manually (they were the only one's I could find that still supports my old card). At the end it said I needed to update my xorg file or XF86Config file - but have no idea how to do that?
[09:35] <inetpro> Kilos: you guys are lucky
[09:35] <Kilos> because cli back to prompt
[09:35] <kbmonkey> yes Kilos it should now run by itself
[09:35] <inetpro> ubuntu does all the hard work for you
[09:35] <Waceman> btw nvidia-xconfig doesn't recognise the command
[09:35] <inetpro> it adds a cron job and all
[09:35] <Kilos> why inetpro 
[09:35] <Kilos> hi wace
[09:35] <kbmonkey> if you now run vnstat in the cli, it will show you your data usage. it may not show anything yet as your database is still new
[09:35] <inetpro> Kilos: it's the cron job that makes it run every 5 minutes
[09:35] <Kilos> Waceman, 
[09:36] <Kilos> so why we lucky inetpro 
[09:37] <inetpro> Kilos: you don't have to do all the hard work to set it up :-)
[09:37] <kbmonkey> ubuntu does make it easy inetpro. I run the latest version so all manual install baby
[09:37] <inetpro> not that it's hard really
[09:37] <Kilos> lol
[09:37] <Kilos> how can Waceman configure that
[09:38] <inetpro> Kilos: compiling from source is a very good exercise if you want to learn all the ins and outs
[09:38] <Kilos> wont dpkg --configure -a work
[09:38] <Waceman> I'll try
[09:38] <Kilos> eish inetpro ou kop hier man
[09:39]  * inetpro goes back to do some more work
[09:39] <kbmonkey> Waceman I can't remember but I did that before... mmm
[09:39] <kbmonkey> is there a README or instructions with the drivers?
[09:39] <kbmonkey> did you get the driver from nvidia site? they have a section with how to do it
[09:40] <Waceman> Ya, here's the readme: http://uk.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/71.86.14/README/README
[09:40] <kbmonkey> and likely your xorg config, XF86 isn't used anymore :)
[09:40] <Waceman> THis is the driver
[09:40] <Waceman> http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/linux-display-ia32-71.86.14-driver-uk.html
[09:40] <Waceman> I've installed it on 10.04
[09:41] <kbmonkey> sec-03 editing your x config file
[09:41] <Waceman> cuz 11.10's kernel was too new for the drivers
[09:41] <Waceman> yeah, but I dunno what it means ;)
[09:42] <kbmonkey> you may not even need to configure xorg sometimes
[09:42] <Waceman> Well, no xorg file exists in /etc/X11/
[09:42] <kbmonkey> do the drivers work already? try run glxgears 
[09:43] <Waceman> not sure... how do I do that?
[09:43] <kbmonkey> you open a terminal, and you run glxgears 
[09:43] <kbmonkey> it is a little app that uses your gfx hardware to test
[09:43] <Waceman> ok, says I have to install mesa-utils
[09:44] <kbmonkey> oh, um perhaps the manual install doesnt have glxgears
[09:44] <Waceman> k installed it
[09:45] <Waceman> but gives glxgears gives error.. says Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"
[09:45] <Waceman> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[09:45] <kbmonkey> then your driver isn't being used yet :/
[09:47] <Waceman> from what I've read, the way to do it is with the command.. nvidia-xconfig... but that doesn't exist... maybe I have to link the drivers or something.. eish I dunno
[09:47] <Kilos> kbmonkey, if he puts that package in /var/cache/apt/archives/ will he not be able to sudo aptitude reinstall it
[09:48] <Kilos> then dpkg will configure it i am sure
[09:48] <Kilos> Waceman, have you got a gui now
[09:48] <Waceman> yes
[09:49] <Kilos> aw that npackage was .run hey
[09:49] <Waceman> yes
[09:50] <Kilos> if we can convert it to a .deb then you will have no hassles installing
[09:50] <Kilos> i go ask maaz
[09:50] <kbmonkey> ah, you may need to install the nvidia settings packages Waceman 
[09:51] <kbmonkey> nvidia-settings IIRC
[09:51] <Waceman> ok  -  I can run nvidia-settings... but there are like no options
[09:51] <kbmonkey> man?
[09:52] <Waceman> says, "ERROR: NV-CONTROL extension not found on this Display.
[09:52] <Kilos> is a run file whats know as a single package file
[09:52] <kbmonkey> see it's man page for how to reconfigure or create a new config. there is such a option
[09:52] <kbmonkey> dont have nvidia so cant check
[09:53] <Kilos> https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/add-applications/C/install-file.html
[09:53] <kbmonkey> you must sudo the command too, it will require admin privs
[09:59] <Kilos> oh my he crashed
[09:59] <inetpro> Kilos: I just got a reference number from VC about my issues
[09:59] <Kilos> yay 
[09:59] <Kilos> but is that all
[09:59] <inetpro> Kilos: so far yes
[10:00] <kbmonkey> VC of vodacom?
[10:00] <kbmonkey> oh vc==vodacom :p im slow
[10:00] <inetpro> :-)
[10:00] <Kilos> you can actually fone them and get to the data guys and ask them to try sort it
[10:01] <Kilos> but you gotta go through all the pc voice messages and ewventually get an operator
[10:01] <inetpro> saying "...we will contact you via sms, email or phone call within 24 hours..."
[10:01] <Kilos> lol
[10:02] <Kilos> sometimes they do other times they forget
[10:02] <Kilos> or they sms and say its being investigated
[10:11] <Kilos> kbmonkey, you gotta think when offline about how we gonna approach voda hey
[10:13] <Kilos> Waceman, wb
[10:13] <Kilos> is it working
[10:14] <Waceman> nope
[10:15] <Kilos> found some links you can check
[10:15] <Kilos> http://ubuntuguide.net/install-nvidia-graphical-driver-in-ubuntu-lucid-10-04
[10:17] <Waceman> thanks
[10:19] <Kilos> i once got a driver from somewheere as well and it sickened my machine badly 
[10:19] <Waceman> what does the gk do infront of sudo?
[10:20] <magespawn> howdy all
[10:20] <Kilos> hi mage
[10:21] <Kilos> Waceman,  man gksudo
[10:21] <Kilos> lots of stuff there
[10:21] <Guest1262> hi 
[10:21] <magespawn> howdy Guest1262 
[10:21] <Kilos> hi Guest1262 
[10:21] <Kilos> bi
[10:21] <magespawn> in and out
[10:21] <Kilos> lol
[10:22] <magespawn> bit like last night
[10:22] <Kilos> chasing animals
[10:23] <Kilos> some of those chat goodies are for peeps looking for chicks
[10:23] <Kilos> and vice versa
[10:23] <Kilos> dunno why they end up here
[10:23] <magespawn> yup and what kind are you going to find in a chat room
[10:23] <Kilos> bad kinds
[10:24] <Kilos> first one i ever tried was spinchat
[10:24] <Kilos> ian was an ops there
[10:24] <magespawn> weird kinds
[10:24] <magespawn> okay and ?
[10:24] <Kilos> what a mess up
[10:25] <Kilos> dozens of peeps all trying to chff someone at the same time
[10:25] <Kilos> chaff
[10:25] <magespawn> lots of fun then
[10:25] <Kilos> others making like they chicks trying to catch a boyfriend
[10:26] <magespawn> some strange ppl out there
[10:26] <Kilos> weird
[10:26] <Kilos> and lotsa kicking by the ops
[10:26] <Kilos> but tomorrow they try again
[10:27] <Kilos> some even have serious fights online
[10:27] <Kilos> weird
[10:27] <magespawn> nothing like persistence
[10:27] <magespawn> flame wars
[10:27] <magespawn> today our project is to set up ubuntu server in the shop
[10:28] <Kilos> thats why i happy here, here at least one can learn something
[10:28] <magespawn> you can learn anywhere
[10:28] <magespawn> might not be waht you want ot learn
[10:28] <magespawn> what to
[10:29] <Kilos> lamp?
[10:29] <Kilos> had a link for that
[10:30] <magespawn> lamp and a couple of the others
[10:30] <magespawn> i tend to tick every box to see what happens
[10:31] <Kilos> lol
[10:31] <Kilos> what happened mythubuntu
[10:31] <magespawn> i also found zencafe for the internet cafe. not ubuntu based on slackware but still linux
[10:32] <Kilos> no man use whats in repos
[10:32] <magespawn> that machine is at home plays the dvd and other media fine but no sound
[10:32] <Kilos> unless there no choice like poor waceman
[10:32] <Kilos> grrr
[10:32] <Kilos> you said you were taking it to work today
[10:33] <magespawn> yup there was a transport problem this morning
[10:33] <Kilos> ah
[10:33] <Kilos> môre is nog n dag
[10:33] <magespawn> probable get to it this weekend
[10:34] <magespawn> also lots of other work to finish
[10:34] <Kilos> what size pc you using for a server
[10:35] <magespawn> pentium 4 2.6ghz 512mb  of ram 30gig harddrive
[10:35] <magespawn> will look to upgrade the ram
[10:35] <Kilos> wow thats nice
[10:36] <Kilos> hi barco 
[10:36] <magespawn> friend is clearing out his pharmacy and gave the machine to me
[10:36] <magespawn> hi barco 
[10:36] <Kilos> the fly uses an old p2 for a server
[10:36] <Kilos> wow
[10:36] <Kilos> oh ya small town, everyone friends
[10:37] <Kilos> you in the town or game reserve
[10:37] <magespawn> in the town
[10:38] <Kilos> has it grown to the main road yet
[10:38] <magespawn> by main road you mean the highway? no?
[10:38] <magespawn> no
[10:38] <Kilos> used to be veld for half a k or so then houses started
[10:38] <Kilos> oh is there a highway
[10:38] <Kilos> lol
[10:38] <magespawn> well i think it has grown since then
[10:39] <Kilos> im thinking of old road
[10:39] <magespawn> when were you last here?
[10:39] <Kilos> not long ago
[10:39] <Kilos> 30 years
[10:39] <magespawn> not long ago is relative
[10:39] <Kilos> lol
[10:40] <magespawn> maybe have a look on google maps if you can, i think you might be surprised
[10:40] <magespawn> i was five then 
[10:41] <Kilos> lol
[10:41] <Kilos> ya been a while
[10:41] <magespawn> there is a spar, boxer, ok and a shoprite.
[10:44] <Kilos> and a garage
[10:44] <magespawn> two
[10:44] <Kilos> wow
[10:44] <magespawn> engen and total
[10:54] <Kilos> used to be one back then if i member right
[11:03] <Kilos> Waceman, whats happening
[11:04] <Waceman> just need to know what to do next once I've installed the drivers. The install said I needed to create / configure xorg file... but I don't know how
[11:07] <Kilos> must you make it /xorg.conf or what
[11:07] <Kilos> md makes a folder
[11:08] <Kilos> but to know what else goes with the command i dunno
[11:09] <Kilos> do you have the exact letters for the file
[11:09] <Kilos> is it to be a file in xorg folder or a folder on its own
[11:10] <Waceman> well, the location isn't the problem.. nor is the creating the a called called xorg.conf... it's the contents of that file which I don't know
[11:13] <Kilos> that surely gets put in by the installer
[11:13] <Kilos> but it wants to see the file first or what
[11:14] <Kilos> manually is big brain work
[11:15] <Kilos> one idea
[11:16] <Kilos> can you look if there a nvidia forums where you got this driver and see if one of their experts has a workaround for ubuntu
[11:16] <Kilos> or if he has access to that file in .deb then all probs sorted
[11:18] <magespawn> later all going on another drive
[11:19] <Kilos> k
[11:21] <superfly> Waceman: see if you have an "nvidia-xconfig" command
[11:21] <superfly> run it as root
[11:21] <Waceman> says command not found
[11:21] <superfly> try installing nvidia-common
[11:22] <Waceman> I'll try that now
[11:23] <Waceman> says alread the newest version
[11:25] <superfly> meh.
[11:26] <superfly> I'd generate an xorg.conf file for you, but it's specific to my hardware
[11:27] <Waceman> maybe I should install nvidia-current? even though it doesn't support my card?
[11:27] <Waceman> says on nvidia website all cards use same architecture, and therefore all should be able to use same driveres
[11:30] <superfly> Waceman: you can install it, your drivers will have different names, unless you installed the 71 version
[11:32] <superfly> w00t! Afrihost FTW
[11:32] <Waceman> I have... but I dunno what it's done... when I installed the 71 version, I get a kernel error... so I ran the installation with "-k $(uname -r)" parameter at the end.. and it seemed to install properly
[11:32] <Waceman> FTW?
[11:32] <Kilos> lol what happened
[11:32] <superfly> I won 10GB on my uncapped account in a competition, so they instead credited my account with the value of the 10GB package
[11:32] <Kilos> for the win
[11:33] <Kilos> thats nice superfly 
[11:33] <Waceman> I use them too, great value
[11:34] <superfly> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/for_the_win
[11:34] <superfly> Waceman: ^^
[11:36] <Waceman> Kilos: what was that link you gave about installing the nvidia drivers?
[11:36] <Kilos> sec i look for it
[11:38] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[11:39] <Kilos> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-nvidia-260-19-12-drivers-in-ubuntu-10-1010-04-using-ppa.html
[11:39] <Waceman> thanks
[11:40] <Kilos> yw
[11:48] <Kilos> i dont find a xorg.conf file
[11:48] <Kilos> its xorg.conf.d
[11:53] <superfly> Kilos: these days you don't need an xorg.conf file
[11:53] <superfly> most of the time X.org can figure out what you need
[11:54] <Kilos> yeah ithought all conf was done by dpkg
[11:55] <Kilos> isnt that what dpkg does when you apt-get install
[12:35] <zeref> hmmmmm
[13:51] <Wolfeyes> Good day all
[13:51] <Waceman> Howzit
[13:51] <Waceman> how's your linux? ;)
[13:51] <Wolfeyes> Anyone know of the best free remote control software working in a commercial enviroment please?
[13:52] <Wolfeyes> Heya Waceman 
[13:52] <Wolfeyes> On hold for now dude, just reading through the server manual slowly.
[13:52] <Waceman> hehe no worrries :)
[13:54] <Wolfeyes> :-)
[14:10] <Kilos> hi Wolfeyes 
[14:11] <Kilos> was asleep
[14:11] <ender> sleep is for sundays
[14:11] <Kilos> lol ya ya
[14:14] <Wolfeyes> heya Kilos 
[14:15] <Kilos> did you google Wolfeyes 
[14:19] <Wolfeyes> yes
[14:20] <Wolfeyes> why?
[14:20] <Wolfeyes> lol I asked Maaz before you put that there lol
[14:20] <Kilos> google supposed to know that
[14:20] <Kilos> lol
[14:20] <Kilos> same stuff
[14:21] <Kilos> google only cant fix my head
[14:21] <Wolfeyes> I am just looking if it might not be better to use desktop connection
[14:21] <Kilos> to what?
[14:21] <Wolfeyes> lol @ that
[14:21] <Wolfeyes> Other computers
[14:22] <Kilos> remote control as in gate openers??
[14:23] <Wolfeyes> Not sure what you refere to gate openers as, but I am just looking at using or working on their computers as if it was my desktop, similar to teamviewer but not having to pay for it.
[14:23] <Kilos> or a remote desktop viewer
[14:24] <Wolfeyes> same thing
[14:25] <Kilos> using winsucks?
[14:25] <Wolfeyes> Until the server is set up with linux, yes nodz
[14:25] <ender> Wolfeyes, wondows of linux?
[14:26] <ender> ak ok
[14:27] <Kilos> ender why you no put your name in your info stuff
[14:27] <Kilos> i cant think everyday who is who
[14:28] <ender> hehe, my name would not mean anythong to you anyway :0 and dont like advertising personal info to everyong :)
[14:28] <Kilos> hehe
[14:31] <Wolfeyes> lol
[14:31] <Kilos> man i mean who were you here before ender
[14:31] <Kilos> or always been ender here?
[14:32] <ender> haha, always been ender, maybe ender[netbook]. havent been here a lot before, only attended one meeting
[14:33] <ender> i probably have to change it, as someone already registered it on freenode :(
[14:33] <Kilos> ok you forgiven
[14:34] <ender> hahaha :)
[14:34] <Kilos> yeah i lost my first nick there too
[14:34] <Kilos> you can ask them to check if its still in use and if not then register it
[14:34] <ender> who is 'them'?
[14:35] <Kilos> freenode
[14:36] <Kilos> i try remember the channel
[14:38] <Kilos> eish not good thinking day
[14:38] <Kilos> #freenode-chat
[14:40] <Kilos> hmmm tells me its unavailable
[14:40] <Kilos> but there 53 peeps there
[14:42] <nuvolari> o/
[14:42] <Kilos> ender /j #freenode-help
[14:42] <Kilos> lo nuvolari 
[14:43] <Kilos> wil jou pla
[14:43] <ender>  /j #freenode-help
[14:43] <ender>  /join #freenode-help
[14:43] <ender> oops
[14:45] <Kilos> just ask for help; not if there someone who can
[14:45] <Kilos> hmmm you be a they
[14:50] <Kilos> they nice and helpful today
[14:55] <Kilos> lol
[14:56] <Kilos> murphy say if you can sukkel, you will
[14:57] <Kilos> wait and see if ender ping timeouts
[15:00] <Kilos> oh my
[15:00] <Kilos> lol
[15:06] <ender> haha, sighs :(
[15:06] <ender> this is nog working :(
[15:06] <Kilos> eish no luck hey
[15:06] <Kilos> i watched for a while
[15:07] <ender> so i guess my only way is to change my nick for freenode :(
[15:07] <ender>  /msg nicserv info ender
[15:07] <ender> that just makes me sad
[15:08] <Kilos> doesnt it tell you no such nick/channel
[15:11] <ender> no, oops there should be a k in nick
[15:11] <ender> the problem is someone is using the aacount ender, but doesnt use the noc, nou i cant use it :(
[15:12] <Kilos> aw
[15:12] <Kilos> is there a reason you want ender
[15:13] <Kilos> try it in another language
[15:13] <ender> cause its mine! :) hehe, its the nick in all my online stuff, probaly could use something else
[15:15] <Kilos> try contact that other ender and ask him seeing as its been idle for 5 years if he will close that account
[15:16] <ender> yea, but i dont know how to find out who he is logged in as
[15:17] <Kilos> ask one of then nicely to ask him if he would do that
[15:17] <Kilos> or to ask him to at least talk to you
[15:17] <ender> haha, i think i will first ask in a day or two :)
[15:18] <Kilos> lol
[15:18] <ender> dont want to be irritating :)
[15:18] <Kilos> or have him knocked off
[15:19] <ender> haha, get the account banned for stuff that i did :|
[15:19] <Kilos> lol
[15:20] <Kilos> they can see who is who
[15:20] <Kilos> i dunno how they do all that so quick
[15:20] <ender> haha
[15:21] <Kilos> Vince-0, whats the andchat
[15:22] <Vince-0> Kilos, Its IRC client for Android - works great on Tablet too
[15:22] <Kilos> aw ty
[15:22] <Kilos> i use tablets for headaches
[15:24] <Vince-0> ha me2, cept this one has keyboard + trackpad
[15:24] <Kilos> hehe
[15:25] <Kilos> too many new names for me to keep up
[15:25] <Kilos> laptop notepad netbook
[15:25] <Kilos> whew
[15:27] <Vince-0> webbook
[15:27] <Vince-0> ipad
[15:28] <Vince-0> pooppad
[15:28] <Kilos> lol
[15:28] <Vince-0> no, seriously though - ubuntu is making webbooks and vodacom is selling them
[15:28] <Vince-0> canonical* should I say
[15:29] <Kilos> whats a webbook
[15:29] <Kilos> also a lappy
[15:29] <Kilos> or an ebook
[15:29] <Vince-0> yeah, mobile device - low resources and just for web browser usually
[15:29] <Vince-0> google has one called chromebook
[15:30] <Vince-0> http://iloveubuntu.net/vodacom-launch-ubuntu-based-webbook
[15:31] <Vince-0> wonder how usable it is with 512mb ram
[15:31]  * ender needs a new nic
[15:31] <ender> :(
[15:32] <Vince-0> ow, ender - call yourself eth1 ?
[15:33] <Kilos> have you tried adding a face to ender
[15:33] <Kilos> should work
[15:33] <Kilos> ender:)
[15:33] <Kilos> then you gotta be happy all the time
[15:34] <ender> haha, the you guys wouldnt take me seriously (like you do now of course)
[15:34] <Kilos> or ender<3
[15:34] <ender> Vince-0, id reather be wlan0 then, much cooler :)
[15:34] <Kilos> then you lovable
[15:34] <ender> sjoe, thats a bit vain...
[15:35] <Kilos> hehe
[15:35] <Vince-0> ha! ive just started playing with venet0 devices in proxmox openvz
[15:44] <Kilos> Waceman, did you win lad
[15:44] <Waceman> haha
[15:44] <Waceman> boet, I've been at gym!
[15:44] <Waceman> I've reformatted the whole thing... ;)
[15:45] <Waceman> gonna try again.. then wait for tumbleweed, cuz that guy is j4cked!
[15:45] <Waceman> I've got a simple xorg.conf now though.. which may help
[15:45] <tumbleweed> yeah, what do you need?
[15:45] <Kilos> jeah he is on the dev group of ubuntu or something
[15:45] <Kilos> lol
[15:47] <Kilos> tumbleweed, is there a way to make that .run file a .deb file
[15:47] <tumbleweed> yes there is, that's what the guy who packages the nvidia drivers for ubuntu does, but I don't know too much about his packaging
[15:48] <Kilos> it installs by him but doesnt configure
[15:48] <Kilos> do you know how to contact him
[15:48] <tumbleweed> yeah, but not unless it's necessary
[15:49] <tumbleweed> Waceman: the driver won't work until you reboot
[15:51] <Waceman> hi there
[15:52] <Kilos> lol rebooting looks like
[15:53] <Waceman> tumbleweed: I installed 10.04... then installed the drivers... got a kernel error.. but then ran the *.run file with -k $(uname -r) which 'fixed' the install error.. and the install finished successfully. It then said I needed to make the appropriate changes to xorg... and that's where I got stuck?
[15:54] <Waceman> there's no xorg.conf file in /etc/X11... and nvidia-xconfig says the command doesn't exist
[15:54] <tumbleweed> Waceman: if you do an lspci -v, does the VGA Adaptor say it's unig the nvidia kernel driver?
[15:55] <tumbleweed> *using
[15:55] <tumbleweed> Kilos: the 71 drivers haven't been packaged in ubuntu since karmic
[15:56] <Kilos> eish
[15:56] <Waceman> well, the GL screensavers didn't work ;)... and I installed the current nvidia drivers and then things got a little messy.. so I installed the OS while I was at gym ... so now I'm sitting with a fresh ubuntu 10.04. BUT those screensavers are working.. so I think the nouveau drivers are working
[15:56] <Kilos> can you use one off karmic in lucid
[15:57] <tumbleweed> Waceman: do you see any mention of nvidia in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[15:57] <tumbleweed> Kilos: karmic is out of support
[15:57]  * tumbleweed waves at ender
[15:58] <ender> hi, like a tumbleweed blowing in the wind?
[15:58]  * tumbleweed felt a ping
[15:59] <Kilos> was an old song about the tumbling tumbleweed
[16:00] <Waceman> says, "NOUVEAU driver for NVIDIA chipset families:..." then lists all the cards... 
[16:00] <Waceman> and
[16:00] <Kilos> bakuman, have you registered this nick now
[16:00] <Waceman> (--) NOUVEAU(0): Chipset: "NVIDIA NV10"
[16:00] <tumbleweed> Waceman: right, that's what you are using then
[16:00] <tumbleweed> the nvidia-current drivers don't support your card, only the 71 driver does
[16:00] <bakuman> haha yea :)
[16:00] <Kilos> lol
[16:01] <Waceman> k, but I reformatted the OS, so there shouldn't be any 71 nvidia drivers
[16:01] <bakuman> till i am ready to hatch my diabolical plan to reclaim ender
[16:01] <Waceman> maybe i should just leave it... wondering if it's worth the bother of getting better performance
[16:02] <bakuman> en Kilos, whois my, jy sal so trots wees..
[16:02] <tumbleweed> Waceman: you can get the 71 drivers from nvidia.com. They're pretty ugly, but if you need them...
[16:03] <Kilos> lol ender there too
[16:04] <bakuman> hahaha :D
[16:12] <Waceman> tumbleweed: yeah I got them... I'll give them another go while you're here :) If no success, I'll revert back to Nouveau
[16:13] <Waceman> would you recommend I install all the updates before proceeding?
[16:14] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey another one to join the lpi group
[16:15] <Waceman> lpi?
[16:16] <tumbleweed> Waceman: yeah, might as well install updatse first
[16:16] <kbmonkey> hey hey
[16:16] <tumbleweed> you'll have to rebuild the driver module every time you update the kernel, so it makes sense to do it first
[16:16] <Waceman> k, 150mb... will you be here this eve? 
[16:16] <Waceman> ok
[16:16] <kbmonkey> hows that driver Waceman
[16:17]  * tumbleweed is going to a pub quiz, I'll go offline at about 8
[16:17] <Waceman> hey kbmonkey! tumbleweed is gonna help until 8!
[16:17] <kbmonkey> those old nvidia drivers are tricksy sometimes
[16:18] <Waceman> tumbleweed: Fireman's arms?
[16:19] <tumbleweed> Waceman: yeah, you ever quiz there? :)
[16:19] <Waceman> haha, When I'm in CTN - I go all the time!
[16:19] <Waceman> Used to be part of George...
[16:20]  * tumbleweed used to drink there occasionally, but now that I regularly go to the quiz, I never want to go there on any other nights
[16:20] <Waceman> ya, it's a great vibe... what team are you in?
[16:20] <tumbleweed> kardiogramm
[16:20] <Waceman> haha - know the name!
[16:21] <tumbleweed> heh, yeah we do quite well these days (after a year of never winning)
[16:21] <tumbleweed> what team do you play on?
[16:22] <Waceman> George
[16:22] <tumbleweed> oh, right
[16:22] <tumbleweed> you guys beat us by 1 point last week
[16:22] <Waceman> haha
[16:22] <Waceman> we got some super brainy chicks :) I bring the team spirit!
[16:23] <nlsthzn> o/
[16:23] <Waceman> but I'm in JHB atm... haven't been there in awhile
[16:24] <kbmonkey> haven't been to Fireman'
[16:25] <kbmonkey> ..Fireman's arms yet*
[16:25] <Waceman> kbmonkey: where you at?
[16:25] <kbmonkey> I'm in Obz
[16:25] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[16:25] <kbmonkey> nlsthzn o\ Kilos 
[16:26] <Waceman> tumbleweed: do you remember the fireman's pole? and all the signatures on the roof there? I flippen climbed up that pole intoxicated, wrote my name in the furtherest most corner... and then they repained over it...
[16:26] <Waceman> repainted^
[16:26] <Kilos> kbmonkey, define lpi
[16:26] <Kilos> Waceman, will join too
[16:26] <nlsthzn> linux prifessionals institute
[16:26] <nlsthzn> *spelling
[16:26] <Kilos> no an for the courses
[16:26] <nlsthzn> >.<
[16:27] <Kilos> lpi study group
[16:27] <tumbleweed> Waceman: heh, yes they repaint it every few years :P
[16:27] <nlsthzn> 3 people on a mailing list not doing anything
[16:27] <kbmonkey> LPIC for the course ;)
[16:27] <kbmonkey> linux pro institute course
[16:27] <kbmonkey> yesh my studies stopped during my move to ct :(
[16:28] <Kilos> Waceman, ^^
[16:28] <Kilos> barco also wants to join
[16:28] <kbmonkey> and seems like issues with my new place, might need to bunk with someone for a week or two before i can move in. grrr
[16:29] <Kilos> eish
[16:29] <Kilos> not the place the people
[16:30] <kbmonkey> exactly
[16:30] <Waceman> I bought a MASSIVE linux book when I was like 18... Rehat Linux 5.2
[16:30] <Waceman> I read about two pages of it
[16:30] <Kilos> lol
[16:30] <Kilos> redhat?
[16:31] <Waceman> rehat was the shiz back in the day man
[16:31] <Kilos> Maaz, LPI.manual
[16:31] <Maaz> Kilos: lpi.manual is http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/lpi-study-manual
[16:31] <Kilos> starts from scratch
[16:31] <kbmonkey> no way Waceman, I had a similar one for RH 6 :D
[16:32] <nlsthzn> Kilos:  I started again last night too
[16:32] <Kilos> where to connect your mouse
[16:32] <nlsthzn> Read 3 pages >.<
[16:32] <Waceman> kbmonkey: did you read it? ;)
[16:32] <Waceman> haha
[16:32] <kbmonkey> I did read it 
[16:32] <Kilos> lol
[16:32] <Waceman> that's why you're the one providing the help ;)
[16:32] <Waceman> and i'm the one asking
[16:33] <Kilos> Maaz, LPI.link
[16:33] <Maaz> Kilos: lpi.link is http://groups.google.com/group/linux-studies
[16:33] <kbmonkey> I didnt even know as mulch then as I do today
[16:33] <Kilos> Waceman, ^^
[16:33] <kbmonkey> good idea nlsthzn we should kick the lpi in the butt again
[16:33] <nlsthzn> kbmonkey: +1
[16:34] <kbmonkey> the last week I been using a console web browser for emailing
[16:34] <kbmonkey> i miss my lcd screen. 10" == eye strain
[16:35] <Waceman> kbmonkey: why? :D
[16:35] <Kilos> eish kbmonkey when is your stuff getting there
[16:35] <Kilos> and when you move now move to a place with uncapped adsl
[16:36] <kbmonkey> only mid nov, turns out the cartage charge half the price mid month. score!
[16:37] <kbmonkey> too late for that Kilos, but maybe I can convince the owner ;) doubtfully as the previous squatters racked up a 30 grand electricity bill he has to pay off. eish
[16:37] <Kilos> wow
[16:37] <Kilos> full time heaters on
[16:37] <kbmonkey> how they did that, I have no clue.
[16:37] <kbmonkey> it was a good few months 
[16:38] <Kilos> musta been heaters on day and night
[16:39] <kbmonkey> plenty of wifi at cafe's here, but nothing beats the net cafe for speed
[16:39] <Kilos> for a few months
[16:40] <Kilos> ja man but no good at night
[16:40] <kbmonkey> that includes cost for damages to property too btw
[16:40] <Kilos> wow what kinda peeps were there
[16:40] <Kilos> and are they gone now
[16:41] <Kilos> could never leave a place in worse condition
[16:42] <kbmonkey> they were thrown out by the cops, squatters ha ha
[16:42] <Kilos> wow
[16:45] <kbmonkey> I <3 linux. when you get a usb disk back and it has all dodgy .exe's on it that are pretty useless
[16:46] <Kilos> lol
[16:46]  * nlsthzn got spammed on twitter... clicked the link before thinking... guess what ever the link tried failed (did almost crash FF)
[16:46] <nlsthzn> if I was using Windows >.<
[16:46] <Kilos> when it shoes on desktop you just right click and go format
[16:48] <Waceman> tumbleweed: I don't think  the download's gonna make it.. another 51 mins... plus I have to redownload the drivers.. plus install.. Would it be possible for you to give me some steps now?
[16:53] <Kilos> Waceman, do you remeber the command to see what graphics card you got
[16:53] <Waceman> lspci -v
[16:54] <Waceman> ls = list, like dir for dos
[16:54] <kbmonkey> does Ubuntu still come with lshw by default?
[16:54] <Waceman> I remember speaking to my neighbour when she got her first computer... it had dos on it.. so I asked her causally, "does it have dir on it?"
[16:56] <tumbleweed> Waceman: I'm sure it comes with a good README
[16:56] <kbmonkey> if so, sudo lshw -class video
[16:56] <Waceman> thb, I couldn't follow it
[16:57] <Waceman> tbh^
[16:57] <tumbleweed> well I don't know what to do, but I imagine you just runn the .run program, and it'll do everything it needs to
[16:58] <kbmonkey> I believe the .run setup will tell you cant run it while xorg is running
[16:58] <kbmonkey> so you have to log out, switch to tty1 (ctrl-alt-F1)
[16:58] <kbmonkey> log in and stop gdm
[16:59] <kbmonkey> run the setup
[16:59] <Waceman> ok, at the end it says that I must update my xorg file or XF86 Config File - dunno how to do that.. dunno if there must be a xorg file in /etc/X11/  ?
[16:59] <kbmonkey> and restart gdm / the pc
[16:59] <Waceman> and what was this modulisation?
[16:59] <Waceman> yeah, I stop gdm, then run the .run file.. and start it up or reboot
[17:00] <Waceman> sorry, rebuild the driver module
[17:00] <Waceman> ?
[17:00] <kbmonkey> I dont think it puts a xorf.conf for you, there is a cmd you run to create a new xorg
[17:01] <kbmonkey> man nvidia-settings 
[17:01] <kbmonkey> that might tell which option to create xorg?
[17:02] <Waceman> running nvidia-settings gives me an error... something like NV missing
[17:03] <Waceman> I know nvidia-xconfig creates xorg when using new drivers... but that command doesn't exist for the 71 pack
[17:03] <kbmonkey> oh dear
[17:03] <kbmonkey> so you might have to create it by hand
[17:04] <Waceman> well, I installed a newer version, and created an xorg file... and I have a simple failsafe one
[17:05] <kbmonkey> so your driver should work?
[17:06] <kbmonkey> dmesg | grep nvidia
[17:06] <kbmonkey> to see log messages, maybe something stands out
[17:07] <Waceman> well, when the nvidia xorg file is there (generated from the new drivers), system bombs out when I log in.. have to go in with low graphics mode.. I believe this is because the new drivers don't support my card
[17:08] <Waceman> so I made a mess of things, and have reinstalled 10.04... and now I'm updating it
[17:08] <Waceman> then I'll do another install
[17:08] <kbmonkey> on the nvidia site, if you choose your card model it should give you the latest driver for your model
[17:09] <kbmonkey> NV10ddr right?
[17:10] <kbmonkey> -_-
[17:10] <Waceman> boet - my model isn't even on there ;) I have to go for the legacy driveres
[17:11] <Waceman> GeForce 256 DDR
[17:11] <Waceman> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-71.86.15-driver.html
[17:13] <kbmonkey> yes the NV10 model, legacy 71. drivers, phew
[17:14] <kbmonkey> http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Create_an_xorg.conf
[17:14] <kbmonkey> remember Ubuntu is debian based, a lot applies across the board
[17:16] <Kilos> where does this card foit into the nvidia scheme
[17:16] <Kilos>  product: NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro]
[17:16] <Kilos> maybe the drivers would make my pc quicker too
[17:16] <Kilos> but i scared of having to fix after and update
[17:17] <kbmonkey> is that what you have Kilos ?
[17:17] <Kilos> yeah thats what the command says
[17:17] <Kilos> i know its 32m ram
[17:17] <kbmonkey> that is NV5
[17:18] <Kilos> is that older the waces
[17:18] <Kilos> hehe
[17:18] <kbmonkey> the fith chips by nvidia
[17:18] <kbmonkey> nv10 would be the 10th :)
[17:19] <Kilos> better i leave it with default drivers i think
[17:20] <Waceman> kbmonkey: thanks for that debian page
[17:20] <Waceman> pretty useful
[17:20] <kbmonkey> no need to use drivers unless you want to run something that needs the hardware support
[17:20] <Kilos> having the correct driver will just make things a bit quicker hey
[17:20] <Waceman> which method has the warning though ;)
[17:20] <kbmonkey> yes Waceman if anything you can try one of those methods on that wiki
[17:20] <Kilos> i can watch videous  so what more can i need
[17:20] <kbmonkey> they have various options for free drivers too
[17:21] <kbmonkey> if you can already watch videos Kilos, then don't worry about it, murphey is watching!
[17:21] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[17:29] <Kilos> Waceman, you gonna have to do this after every update
[17:30] <Waceman> I don't mind... actually I want to give the pc away.. and I want it to be working the best it can. 
[17:30] <Kilos> whew
[17:30] <Kilos> is that driver just gonna make it faster
[17:31] <Kilos> i can see vids perfect with my old card
[17:33] <Waceman> should make the 3D faster... 
[17:33] <Waceman> 2D is flying
[17:35] <Kilos> oh with unity
[17:36] <Waceman> where did kbmonkey go?
[17:37] <Waceman> no unity
[17:37] <Waceman> I'm on 10.04
[17:37] <Kilos> oh ya
[17:38] <Kilos> so does that mean i am on 2d as well
[17:38] <Waceman> think gnome is 2d.. but you can try a gl screensaver.. I think that uses OpenGL
[17:38] <Kilos> how can i see videos same as on the tv then
[17:39] <Kilos> i get lost
[17:39] <Waceman> I just stick the cable in.. and press fn+F5.. and it comes onto the TV
[17:40] <Kilos> in what plug
[17:40] <Kilos> does that card have a tv connection too
[17:40] <Waceman> I use S-video
[17:41] <Waceman> yellow thing.. kinda looks like keyboard jack... geez, I've forgotten the connection name
[17:41] <Kilos> i have a card similar to that here somewhere with a svideo plug but could never get it to work
[17:41] <Waceman> but I use video on my laptop... not on my old PC
[17:41] <Kilos> bnc connector
[17:41] <Kilos> iforget too
[17:42] <Waceman> something with a P
[17:42] <Waceman> lol
[17:43] <Kilos> this one says tv-T by that yellow hole
[17:44] <Kilos> got 10 dipswitches on that are all down 
[17:44] <Kilos> eish
[17:44] <Kilos> the main chip says lynx3d
[17:44] <Waceman> no idea :) google it ;)
[17:45] <Kilos> no i think i have but all i found was for windows
[17:45] <Kilos> and google eats data
[17:46] <Kilos> couldnt find the manual for it to get dipswitch settings
[17:48] <Waceman> Kilos: what do you do?
[17:48] <Kilos> i disabled
[17:48] <Kilos> kinda
[17:48] <Kilos> head stupid
[17:49] <Kilos> me a crashed ballie
[17:49] <Waceman> crashed ballie?
[17:50] <Kilos> had my head bst open from a windmill accident
[17:50] <Kilos> got to hospital dead on arrival
[17:51] <Kilos> was rebooted but where head was split nerves were pinched when bone grew back together
[17:51] <Kilos> so eina head 24/7
[17:51] <Waceman> hectic man
[17:51] <Kilos> lol i didnt know for the first month or so
[17:51] <Kilos> was stupid
[17:51] <Kilos> didnt know my mom even
[17:51] <Waceman> wow
[17:51] <Waceman> when was this?
[17:52] <Kilos> 98
[17:52] <Waceman> but you're waxing linux - that's no small feat ;)
[17:52] <Kilos> yeah pcs have actually helped lots to get brain active again
[17:53] <Kilos> no man i drag and drop and the guys have helped me from day one
[17:54] <Waceman> well you've helped me
[17:54] <Kilos> no man
[17:55] <Waceman> ya man
[17:55] <Kilos> lol
[17:55] <Kilos> i enjoy every minute spent on here
[17:55] <Kilos> ubuntu-za is my home
[17:57] <Waceman> tumbleweed: how do I rebuild the driver module?
[17:58] <Kilos> carefully
[17:58] <Kilos> hehe
[17:58] <Waceman> haha
[18:00] <Kilos> do you know how to actually see everything in a driver
[18:00] <Kilos> tumbles gone
[18:01] <Waceman> good luck tumbleweed!
[18:01] <Kilos> ask maaz to google it
[18:01] <Kilos> then i can see too
[18:02] <Kilos> Maaz, google rebuilding nvidia driver on ubuntu lucid
[18:02] <Maaz> Kilos: "Bug #494166 in NVIDIA Drivers Ubuntu: “[lucid] nvidia-glx can't work ..." https://launchpad.net/bugs/494166 :: "10.04 - How to get NVidia GeForce GT 210 drivers working on Lucid ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/4954/how-to-get-nvidia-geforce-gt-210-drivers-working-on-lucid-lynx :: "video - Good NVidia drivers for Ubuntu? - Ask Ubuntu - Stack ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/3024/good-nvidia-drivers-for-ubuntu :: "HOW-TO:Inst
[18:03] <Kilos> maybe you know what the right words are for what you wanna see
[18:05] <Waceman> thanks man
[18:05] <Kilos> hope one of them help
[18:09] <Kilos> good luck Waceman i go crash now.
[18:10] <Kilos> night all sleep tight
[18:52] <nuvolari> but but but :-/
[18:52] <nuvolari> why is die oom so vroeg bed toe
[18:53] <nuvolari> Wolfeyes: can you jaag oom kilos out of bed? :P
[18:56] <Wolfeyes> ha ha ha
[18:56] <Wolfeyes> I think his head is hurting him today
[18:56] <Wolfeyes> more than normal
[18:56] <Wolfeyes> I'm in town now nuvolari or I would at least tell him you say hello lol
[18:56] <Wolfeyes> another town*
[18:56] <Wolfeyes> How you doing nuvolari ?
[19:06] <Waceman> "You must use the same version of gcc to build your nvidia kernel module as was used to build your kernel. " how do I find this out?
[19:15] <nuvolari> Waceman: you can find it by typing 'cat /proc/version' in a terminal
[19:15] <nuvolari> Linux version 2.6.38-12-generic (buildd@crested) (gcc version 4.5.2 (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.5.2-8ubuntu4) ) #51-Ubuntu SMP Wed Sep 28 14:27:32 UTC 2011
[19:16] <nuvolari> for me ^^
[19:16] <Waceman> thanks
[19:16] <Waceman> got it :)
[19:16] <nuvolari> fine! I'm slow, get over it :P
[19:17] <Waceman> what does cat do?
[19:17] <Waceman> I used gcc -v
[19:17] <Waceman> yours was better :)
[19:17] <nuvolari> Waceman: it's an app that reads text from the given inpot and writes it to standard out
[19:18] <nuvolari> *input
[19:18] <nuvolari> Waceman: gcc -v will only give you the installed version of gcc, not necessarily the version the kernel was compiled with
[19:18] <Waceman> from concatinate? however you spell hat
[19:18] <Waceman> ahhh
[19:19] <nuvolari> "cat - concatenate files and print on the standard output"
[19:19] <Waceman> and what is gcc??
[19:19] <nuvolari> Waceman: did someone show you some man-fu?
[19:19] <nuvolari> gcc is the gnu C compiler
[19:19] <Waceman> people have been putting man infront of everything all day ;)
[19:19] <Waceman> kewl
[19:19] <Waceman> nuff said
[19:19] <Waceman> 8)
[19:19] <nuvolari> hehe
[19:20] <nuvolari> man is a lifesaver!
[19:37] <Waceman> nuvolari: If I've Ctl+Alt+F2'd and I've typed a command with a long result, how do I scroll through it?
[19:38] <nuvolari> Waceman: so you are in a tty?
[19:38] <nuvolari> hang on, let me check
[19:38] <Waceman> yup
[19:38] <nuvolari> think it's ctrl+page up/down
[19:39] <Waceman> ahh,... shit and pg up /down
[19:39] <nuvolari> Waceman: shift+
[19:39] <Waceman> lol
[19:39] <nuvolari> lol
[19:39] <nuvolari> you won't get far the way you're trying
[19:40] <Waceman> it's enough
[19:40] <Waceman> :)
[19:40] <Waceman> ah, in what context?
[19:40] <Symmetria> heh, looking at this slide show thing these guys at the office put together for my farewell, kinda funny, lotsa memories and lotsa fancy photoshopping
[19:41] <nuvolari> did they fix your beamers?
[19:41] <Symmetria> yeah
[19:43] <Symmetria> strange day for me *sigh* know I'm making the right move, but leaving tenet is harder than I ever imagined it would be
[19:43] <Symmetria> been my life for a long long long time
[19:44] <octoquad> hi everyone! :)
[19:44] <Waceman> Symmetria: I left a place I consulted to for 4 months.. and it was very sad for me... I think we don't like change... I'm sure you appreciate the memories... keep looking forward :)
[19:46] <Symmetria> heh waceman, for me, 6 years, and in those 6 years, the tenet team did what everyone told us initially was impossible, the team changed the market in so many ways
[19:46] <Waceman> Is your name Andrew? ;)
[19:47] <Symmetria> heh that network was my baby, my child, my creation for many years :) its hard to walk away
[19:47] <Symmetria> and yeah it is
[19:47] <Waceman> I'm sure ... 
[19:47] <Waceman> why you leaving?
[19:47] <Symmetria> lol the whole team at tenet though was SUCH an amazing bunch to work with, the whole thing woulda been impossible without every member of the team
[19:48] <Symmetria> waceman heh, because the real work that I specialize in is kinda done, I'm a builder, a designer, a dreamer, and the network is built now, now it goes into a largely operational space
[19:48] <Symmetria> and thats not a space I really play well in, so, new markets, new challenges, find the impossible and then find a way to accomplish it, all over again
[19:49] <Waceman> ok, so great job done then... yeah, more goodness on the horizon
[19:50] <Symmetria> heh, well, the new project lol, TENET network was a tough challenge, this new one is gonna be... LOL, at some entirely new level
[19:50] <Symmetria> but looking forward to it and so far so good
[19:51] <Waceman> kewl man - where've you moved to?
[19:51] <Symmetria> I'm physically relocating to kenya, and working for the UbuntuNet alliance (of which TENET was one of the original founding members)
[19:51] <Symmetria> basically, the new job, build a high speed continental backbone to link all the academic networks in africa together
[19:52] <Symmetria> at TENET style network speeds
[19:53] <Symmetria> so attempting to build a 10gig/multi 10gig backbone that will span south africa/zimbabwe/zambia/malawi/tanzania/mozambique/kenya/burundi/uganda/rwanda/namibia and I'm sure I've left out one or 2 :P
[19:54] <Waceman> IMPOSSIBLE! ;)
[19:54] <Waceman> sounds like an amazing initiative
[19:54] <Symmetria> heh the kenyan network is already largely there, the zambian network is coming along nicely, the zimbabwean infrastructure is there, its just a matter of linking it all up into a cogent network, the fiber between .za and zambia through zimbabwe is in the ground, there is fiber going from .za into mozambique and from mozambique into malawi, I know there is fiber from tanzania to both kenya and uganda, and there if fiber going into rwanda as well
[19:55] <Symmetria> its just a matter of actually getting access to it and being able to either light it, or get someone to give us the wavelengths
[19:56] <Symmetria> heh waceman, I dont believe its impossible, might take 2 or 3 years to do it right, but its very possible, heh, in 2007 when I told people we were gonna build a network with over half a terabit of interfaces on it in south africa they also said that was impossible :P
[19:56] <Symmetria> today I think its at 750gig and rising
[19:58] <Waceman> Go for it! And if you can, increase my bandwidth speed please?
[19:59] <Symmetria> LOL, go study at wits, or UJ, they both have lotsa bandwidth we gave em :P
[20:05] <Waceman> hehe
[20:05] <Waceman> do you know what the command to create a text file is?
[20:05] <Waceman> I'm being lazy by asking :)
[20:06] <zeref> huurrrmmm
[20:06] <Symmetria> ummm vi file.txt
[20:06] <Symmetria> :P
[20:07] <Waceman> thanks
[20:07] <Symmetria> you should never thank someone for introducing you to vi :)
[20:07] <Waceman> haha
[20:07] <Waceman> I use nano ;p
[20:07] <Symmetria> because while vi can become your greatest friend, until it does, you will hate it
[20:07] <Symmetria> :P
[20:08] <Waceman> tried vi once, couldn't get out.. had to reboot LOL
 :q <enter> 
[20:10] <Symmetria> :P
[20:10] <Symmetria> or <escape> :q! <enter> (to force quit without saving)
[20:15] <octoquad> and <escape> :wq <enter> to save and quit :)
[20:15] <Symmetria> and <escape> :s/^/DIE\ /g
[20:16] <Symmetria> :p to add DIE infront of every line :P
[20:16] <octoquad> Hey Symmetria, what qualifications do need to do the work you do? I'm interested in studying something next year or the year after. I was thinking computer science or computer engineering...
[20:17] <Symmetria> heh octoquad thats a question I get asked often and I never know how to answer it, the network certifications can be a decent place to start (ccna/ccnp/ccie/jnce etc), but its more about a combination of self study and experience and drive than anything else
[20:18] <Symmetria> I don't have any networking certifications directly myself, I never bothered, I found I could learn far more by building my own labs and making them do exactly what I wanted and reading and reading and reading until I figured out HOW to do it
[20:18] <Symmetria> and once I figured that out, pull it apart and try the next thing
[20:19] <Symmetria> heh, and spent *YEARS* lurking in networking channels watching other people talk and trying to implement the things they were discussing in my lab environments etc
[20:19] <tumbleweed> Waceman: thanks, but we came 4th
[20:20] <Symmetria> well, thats the technical components of what I do, the other side? heh, thats business stuff and you either learn that from someone who can teach you on teh job, or you go study an mba 
[20:20] <Waceman> ah hard luck tumbleweed... who won it?
[20:20] <tumbleweed> actually, can't remember
[20:21] <octoquad> thanks Symmetria. Yeah that's what i've been doing my self since I was 16. Ten years in, I'm ready to get certified in something at least. I'm a programmer  and sys admin at heart and I am DEFINITELY moving to python next year. lol. Thanks for the advice :)
[20:21] <Waceman> oh well, next time I'm in CTN and at quiz night, I'll come say howzit
[20:22] <Waceman> can i give you an update on the driver story? hehe (tumbleweed)
[20:22] <Symmetria> heh I used to do some programming, but *shrug* market got a little 2 saturated and I was getting bored, and money in networking was better
[20:22] <tumbleweed> Waceman: go ahead
[20:23] <Symmetria> and then kinda fell in love with building bigger, better, faster, more resiliant networks, not because they needed to be bigger/better/faster/anything but well, because I could :p
[20:23] <octoquad> interesting, what about infosec?
[20:23] <Waceman> tumbleweed: I followed this to the t: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDriversNvidiaWay - but when I reboot I get flashing text and then an error saying...
[20:23] <Symmetria> heh octoquad, I founded what used to be citec network securities back in the late 90s 
[20:23] <octoquad> is it still around?
[20:23] <Symmetria> got outta the security market way back when because again, it became the same old thing day in and day out 
[20:24] <Symmetria> octoquad, heh, citec was bought by MTN and became MTNNS 
[20:24] <Symmetria> and when citec was bought, so was citec network securities :)
[20:24] <octoquad> Oh wow. 
[20:24] <Symmetria> octoquad heh, the thing about security is this, security is about principles 
[20:24] <Symmetria> its *ALL* about the principles 
[20:24] <Symmetria> and once you understand and apply those, there are limits as to how much innovation you can do 
[20:25] <Symmetria> and thats where it gets boring right there
[20:25] <Waceman> (EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drier/nvidia_drv.so
[20:25] <Waceman> (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (loader failed, 7)
[20:25] <octoquad> One of the reasons I got into programming is because of the different problems that could be solved. But when you work one project all the time it can get very boring.
[20:25] <Waceman> (EE) No drivers available 
[20:25] <Waceman> tumbleweed
[20:26] <tumbleweed> Waceman: anything about nvidia in your kernel log (run dmesg)
[20:27] <Waceman> quite a large output. What am I looking for?
[20:28] <tumbleweed> anything nvidia related
[20:29] <tumbleweed> pipe it to less where you can search it
[20:29] <Waceman> tumbleweed: that's greek... but I copied it into gedit
[20:30] <Waceman> nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel.
[20:30] <tumbleweed> ok, it loaded the modle, that's good
[20:30] <Waceman> THen something about PCI INT... GSI 16
[20:30] <Waceman> Then NVRM: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 Kernel Modeule 71....
[20:31] <tumbleweed> fine
[20:31] <Waceman> that's all
[20:32] <Waceman> I manually created a xorg file
[20:33] <Waceman> btw, those (EE) errors above repeated twice as I got into the GUI
[20:33] <tumbleweed> and you definitly installed the right driver, the 71 series one?
[20:34] <Waceman> yup
[20:37] <Waceman> this is what I did:
[20:37] <Waceman> 1) Stop gdm
[20:37] <Waceman> 2) I ran this to stop the installer complaining about gcc versions: export CC=gcc-4.1
[20:37] <Waceman> 3) Ran the installer.. which asked to put a conf file in to stop Nouveau
[20:37] <Waceman> 4) Then ran modprobe nvidia
[20:37] <Waceman> 5) Then inserted that line into /etc/init.d/rc.local
[20:37] <Waceman> 6) Then created xorg.conf and put in:
[20:37] <Waceman> "Sectoin "Module"
[20:37] <Waceman> ignore that..
[20:38] <Waceman> Section "Module"
[20:38] <Waceman>  Load "glx"
[20:38] <Waceman>  Load "nvidia"
[20:38] <Waceman> EndSection
[20:38] <Waceman> Section "Device"
[20:38] <Waceman>  Identifier "Video Card"
[20:38] <Waceman>  Driver "nvidia"
[20:38] <Waceman> EndSection
[20:39] <Waceman> then rebooted
[20:39] <tumbleweed> sorry, no idea
[20:40] <tumbleweed> does the file it mention exist? /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drier/nvidia_drv.so
[20:41] <Waceman> yes
[20:42] <tumbleweed> I suspect that the driver simply isn't compatible with the version of X in lucid
[20:42] <tumbleweed> this would explain why it isn't packged
[20:42] <tumbleweed> I can find smo reference to this problem in the intrepid release notes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseNotes
[20:44] <Waceman> The 71 and 96 series of proprietary nVidia drivers, as provided by the nvidia-glx-legacy and nvidia-glx packages in Ubuntu 8.04 LTS, are not compatible with the X.Org included in Ubuntu 8.10. Users with the nVidia TNT, TNT2, TNT Ultra, GeForce, GeForce2, GeForce3, and GeForce4 chipsets are affected and will be transitioned on upgrade to the free nv driver instead.
[20:45] <tumbleweed> nouveau replaced nv
[20:45] <Waceman> I was getting some blocky fish swim around my screen
[20:45] <Waceman> ok, so then how do I undo what I've just done?
[20:46] <Waceman> and how far do you think I can throw my pc??
[20:46] <Waceman> :)
[20:47] <tumbleweed> with difficulty. re-install oneiric, and use nouveau? :)
[20:48] <Waceman> I must say, gnome is much faster than unity-2d
[20:48] <tumbleweed> you can still use gnome3's fallback mode in oneiric
[20:49] <Waceman> will it be as fast as this?
[20:49] <Waceman> and how do I do that?
[20:49] <tumbleweed> I havve no idea how fast it is :)
[20:49] <tumbleweed> you install the gnome-panel package. gnome-desktop-environment for gnome3
[20:50] <Waceman> isn't gnome3 all fancy ?
[20:50] <Waceman> O
[20:50] <Waceman> I've got a poor old pc here? hehe
[20:51] <Waceman> how do I uninstall this nvidia.run file?
[20:53] <tumbleweed> you can't without major pain (remember my first comment to you? something along the lines of avoid that thing like the plague, it's hard to uninstall)
[20:53] <Waceman> aw shit
[20:53] <tumbleweed> basically, delete the xorg.conf, and you'll go back to nouveau
[20:54] <tumbleweed> but OpenGL will probably be broken
[20:54] <Waceman> yeah, and delete the file that the plague put in to stop nouveau
[20:54] <tumbleweed> IIRC that debian wiki page had some uninstall hints
[20:54] <Waceman> thing is 11.10 setup is super slow on this pc... mouse jitters like craxy
[20:55] <Waceman> http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDriversNvidiaWay
[20:55] <tumbleweed> newer software tends to be more resource hungy, yes
[20:56] <Waceman> even the setup was chugging haha... this pc used to play quake 3 like a champion
[20:56] <tumbleweed> presumably it still will, then
[20:58] <Waceman> but with nouveau drivers?
[20:58] <tumbleweed> no
[20:59] <Waceman> ah well, thanks for your help! If it weren't for you I would've carried on for another week trying haha
[20:59] <tumbleweed> np
[21:02] <Waceman> what parts of ubuntu do you develop for?
[21:08] <tumbleweed> I'm a MOTU, I just hack on random bits that look interesting. Fix bugs when I run into them
[21:09] <tumbleweed> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StefanoRivera
[21:11] <Waceman> MSc Com Sci.. nice!
[21:12] <tumbleweed> hah, need to finish it
[21:12] <Waceman> ok, so nothing else can be done? I'm gonna reinstall it all
[21:12] <Waceman> when's the due date?
[21:12] <tumbleweed> there isn't one :/
[21:13] <tumbleweed> yeah, no more suggestions for me
[21:14] <Waceman> hbmonkey (can't remember the first letters) - could ask him.. seems quite jack'd too... but not like the master haha
[21:14] <Waceman> have you got a lot more to do with the Msc?
[21:15] <tumbleweed> yeah, a fair bit. and I've been at it for 3 years. Stopped making any progress around the tmie I got involved in debian & ubuntu :P
[21:16] <Waceman> do you make anything out of debian and ubuntu?
[21:17] <tumbleweed> I do some consulting, a couple of hours a week, that's it
[21:17] <Waceman> My experience is that dissertations are kak no matter what... best thing is to set a date.. and make it no matter what ;)
[21:17] <tumbleweed> yeah, I think that's my only hope
[21:18] <Waceman> I'm scared to ask what it's on?
[21:18] <tumbleweed> nothing interesting :P
[21:18] <tumbleweed> usability of digital libraries
[21:20] <Waceman> for schools or the public?
[21:21] <tumbleweed> neither, mostly academia
[21:22] <Waceman> saw that the one guy here was into education..
[21:22] <Waceman> setting up networks in Africa
[21:23] <Waceman> feel so defeated man.. spent like a week trying to fix this :P
[21:25] <tumbleweed> :/
[21:27] <Waceman> at least I learnt a lot
[21:27] <Waceman> aiit I'm outta here... Good luck with your Msc - kick it's A$$! 
[21:28] <tumbleweed> thanks, good luck
[23:29] <zeref> j