[00:06] <DrCherry> how can I figure out what device my wireless is?  It's not under /dev/wlan0 as expected.
[00:16] <BarkingFish> DrCherry, can you show me the output of the iwconfig command in your terminal please?
[00:16] <DrCherry> it says wlan0
[00:16] <BarkingFish> can you connect through it?
[00:16] <DrCherry> i can dump the whole thing to a pastebin
[00:17] <BarkingFish> no, that's fine. If it says it's wlan0, that's good.
[00:17] <DrCherry> wait, no I can't easily, its this little acer aspire
[00:17] <DrCherry> so where do I find it in /dev ?
[00:17] <DrCherry> It's one of those Atheros cips but not under /dev/Ath0
[00:18] <DrCherry> I'm stumped by this one but not super familiar with ubuntu
[00:18] <BarkingFish> I'm just having a look now.
[00:19] <BarkingFish> I don't run ubuntu either, I run kubuntu, but the base layout of directories is the same, so it should be somewhere I can find quite quickly if it's listed
[00:19] <DrCherry> I'm trying to run wavemon and reflexively put in /dev/wlan0 and was surprised
[00:20] <BarkingFish> it's internal wifi, so I'm guessing it probably doesn't go through /dev/
[00:21] <DrCherry> ohhhhh
[00:21] <BarkingFish> could you do this for me please: lspci | grep net
[00:21] <DrCherry> so how to refer to it on the command line
[00:22] <BarkingFish> DrCherry, depends on what you want to do with it through the command line
[00:22] <DrCherry> it's not on the net but it's 3:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc.
[00:23] <DrCherry> AR242x AR542x Wireless ... PCI-Express
[00:23] <BarkingFish> The best things I'd suggest is that you read the help of iwconfig and iwlist - they do most of the stuff you want with wifi via the cli
[00:24] <DrCherry> I'll do that thanks ... gotta run, thx for your time.
[00:25] <BarkingFish> you can scan for APs with iwlist wlan0 scanning  for example, or set a fixed connection speed with iwconfig wlan0 rate 54M fixed  if you want.
[00:25] <BarkingFish> just type iwconfig - - help and iwlist - - help and those should give you most of the info you need
[01:38] <babble> hey all: I used relinux (http://relinux.sourceforge.net/) to make a live image of my current system, and I *think* it enabled zramswap (I had zram enabled as swap on rebooting to my desktop) - I couldn't find anyplace in /etc/init.d to disable it; where should I be looking?
[02:17] <moetunes> babble:  have a look in /etc/fstab maybe
[02:18] <babble_> moetunes: yeah, I thought about that, but the only entries in fstab are UUIDs for my physical swap and my root filesystem.
[03:39] <S_SubZero> how do I map a network drive (smb) in Xubuntu?
[03:40] <Unit193> S_SubZero: Install gvfs-backends and open gigolo
[03:42] <S_SubZero> ah there we go, was wondering how to get that
[03:48] <S_SubZero> humph, can't connect.. i'll fiddle with it later, at least the option is there now
[04:48] <holstein> kupfer is a nice light alternative to gnome-do that i just tried
[04:49] <well_laid_lawn> !info kupfer
[04:50] <holstein> i was thinking it was KDE, and would pull a bunch of things in, but it is very lean
[04:50] <holstein> not KDE at all :)
[04:59] <babble> oh, in Xfce, Appfinder is all I really need
[06:20] <Infekted> no one ever says anything in here i swear
[06:27] <S_SubZero> ok.. uh.. so how do I get the desktop icons to not be transparent
[06:29] <well_laid_lawn> have a look in window manager tweaks
[06:40] <S_SubZero> i don't see anything for it, not a big deal just on my wallpaper they are kinda ghosty
[06:41] <well_laid_lawn> I thought in the compositor settings
[06:45] <Infekted> anyone here
[07:02] <zus> is there a different network connection manager in xubuntu than that of ubuntu or mint?  also i as because  i never had any trouble with my pass word to my net connection till now,...the only difference is the os.
[07:03] <zus> hmm rather - it was not accepting my password but took the string of numbers that my password generated.
[07:04] <zus> O/ well_laid_lawn . hows it going?
[07:07] <well_laid_lawn> zus: always good :)
[07:07] <zus> good :)
[07:15] <zus> is there a different network connection manager in xubuntu than that of ubuntu or mint?  also i as because  i never had any trouble with my pass word to my net connection till now,...the only difference is the os.
[07:15] <zus> hmm rather - it was not accepting my password but took the string of numbers that my password generated.
[07:17] <well_laid_lawn> I dunno about that
[07:17] <zus> it was a bit strange, i have never needed the "random number/letter string"
[07:18] <well_laid_lawn> I don't know what that is...
[07:18] <zus> when i first set up the router and put in a password it gave me a long ridiculous number/letter string
[07:19] <well_laid_lawn> my router just went with the password I set
[07:20] <zus> glad i wrote it down, cos my paswrd worked till i used xubuntu. i had to use that, my password wouldnt even light up the connect button. out of all the distros ive tried, xubuntu was the only one
[07:20] <zus> no biggie im on  that counts but i was just curious
[07:21] <mikodo> Hi guys, Sorry I am trying to learn how to use pastebin       http://paste.ubuntu.com/720436/
[07:21] <well_laid_lawn> that's 1 test that's gone well
[07:22] <zus> mikodo,  try imagebin for  pic for the times youll need a screenshot :)
[07:22] <mikodo> well_laid-lawn, Thanks. I guess I did it :^)
[07:22] <mikodo> ZUS, OK!
[07:23] <zus> mikodo,  works the same was just with pics, :)
[07:24] <mikodo> Thanks guys!
[07:25] <zus> :)
[07:27] <well_laid_lawn> !tab | mikodo
[07:27] <well_laid_lawn> like wel<tab> gives well_laid_lawn
[07:29] <mikodo> well_laid_lawn, well I'll be darned; thanks
[07:29] <well_laid_lawn> cheers :)
[07:30] <sofias> hi there
[07:31] <sofias> does anyone know how to restore the ability to go into standby in 11.10?
[07:32] <sofias> it's not working since i made die upgrade…
[07:32] <zus> would this work as well for thunar? for installing dropbox and not getting alot of dependencies and forcing it to use  thunar? http://wiki.bodhilinux.com/doku.php?id=dropbox:no_install_no_nautilus ?
[07:35] <zus> i know bodhi is ubuntu based and have friend who had this work, worked for me on my desktop.
[07:37] <mikodo> ubuntulog,  "as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line" Works good, for programs, probably faster than than app finder thing in Unity
[07:38] <sofias> it also seems that it still not supports btrfs, it's doing an fs check (i guess) everytime i boot it…
[07:41] <sofias> the problem exists since i installed 11.4 it on my eee-pc t101mt…
[07:42] <well_laid_lawn> btrfs isn't production ready afaik
[07:44] <sofias> well_laid_lawn: good to know… i wanted to reinstall the whole thing anyway, since i realized that my cpu supports amd64…
[07:45] <well_laid_lawn> ;)
[07:46] <sofias> what fs do you suggest? is ext4 ready?
[07:46] <well_laid_lawn> has been for ages
[07:47] <zus> how can i change thunar to display a field i can type in over the square button path thingy?
[07:47] <well_laid_lawn> I think ext4 is safest for everyday use
[07:48] <well_laid_lawn> zus: with thunar open just start typing and look at bottom left
[07:48] <well_laid_lawn> oops bottom right
[07:49] <zus> thanks
[07:54] <sofias> well_laid_lawn: thanks again. yopu know how likely is it that standy works after a reinstall?
[07:55] <well_laid_lawn> sofias: I never bother with standby so I couldn't say
[07:55] <sofias> k
[10:26] <packrit> bonjour,
[10:27] <packrit> peut on parler français ici ?
[10:27] <knome> !fr | packrit
[10:28] <packrit> merci.
[11:16] <pimperle> how can i change the keyboard layout systemwide to disable dead keys?
[11:17] <xubuntu410> Hi
[11:17] <well_laid_lawn> if you have dead keys you either have a funny keyboard or yhe wrong keymap
[11:18] <well_laid_lawn> s/yh/th/
[11:20] <scotty> Hello all
[11:25] <pimperle> well_laid_lawn: well, how do i change systems keymap? I could try xfces settings, but i'd prefer global setting for x
[11:26] <well_laid_lawn> pimperle: it'll depend on the different ways you start X
[11:27] <pimperle> oh, i hoped xubuntu used the same way on every installation. however i know, that i have an xorg.conf file which has been created by the binary nvidia driver
[11:29] <well_laid_lawn> xubuntu uses the xfce4 setting for the keyboard - why does a different installation matter?
[11:30] <pimperle> also the mute-button on the keyboard doesn't unmute the sound if pressed again (starting from oneiric). could this be related to the map changing?
[11:30] <pimperle> in natty mute worked and dead keys were disabled
[11:30] <well_laid_lawn> the key probably isn't mapped to toggle just mute
[11:31] <scotty> Does anyone know why the CPU fan always runs in Xubuntu?
[11:31] <pimperle> it toggles something, as the volume indicator popup shows the muted / unmuted icon
[11:32] <pimperle> however the volume just doesn't get unmuted, the volume applet in the right upper corner (little speaker symbol) stays muted.
[11:32] <pimperle> so the problem is not between the keyboard and the volume system
[11:35] <StormStrikes> Does anyone know why the CPU fan always runs in Xubuntu?
[11:35] <StormStrikes> Im running 11.10 on a Dell XPS 17 L702x and the fan never shuts off.
[11:36] <well_laid_lawn> pimperle: check in the keyboard settings what the key is mapped to
[11:36] <well_laid_lawn> StormStrikes: is it the cpu fan or the one on the graphics?
[11:37] <pimperle> well_laid_lawn: there's no mapping in the xfce keyboard shortcut settings for this key, however it looks like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/871093 to me
[11:37] <well_laid_lawn> could be
[11:37] <well_laid_lawn> hard to see from here ;)
[11:38] <StormStrikes> well_laid_lawn: When I pulled the thing apart to make sure there was enough thermal paste, there is only one fan
[11:38] <well_laid_lawn> k
[11:38] <well_laid_lawn> !sensors
[11:38] <StormStrikes> So Im not sure which of the pieces is keeping it on
[11:38] <well_laid_lawn> StormStrikes: it might be a driver issue
[11:39] <well_laid_lawn> but I wouldn't think so - what's the hardware?
[11:39] <StormStrikes> i5 CPU, Nvidia 550M, GM45 integrated graphics I believe
[11:40] <well_laid_lawn> what's that nvidia bit?
[11:40] <well_laid_lawn> if you have integrated graphics?
[11:41] <well_laid_lawn> lspci | grep -i vga
[11:42] <StormStrikes> Its the Optimus system, which I dont have working, but it uses the integrated card for normal computing and switches to the nvidia for 3d and such
[11:43] <well_laid_lawn> afaik you need bumblebee or the nvidia disabled in the bios
[11:43] <well_laid_lawn> !info bumblebee
[11:43] <well_laid_lawn> o
[11:43] <well_laid_lawn> so try with the nvidia disabled if you don't use it
[11:44] <StormStrikes> I cannot disable in in bios unfortunately.  And Ive seen bumblebee but there is different info as to whether to use bumble bee or ironhide
[11:44] <well_laid_lawn> k I know nothing about it
[11:44] <StormStrikes> I have nvidia disabled in the sence that I have no drivers, proprietary or otherwise on the system.
[11:44] <well_laid_lawn> just thinking the graphics might be the reason for the fan
[11:44] <StormStrikes> Me either unfortunately...its the first laptop that I have bought with higher end hardware and I cant get it working, LOL
[11:45] <StormStrikes> Thats been my leaning too, but it kills battery life and if I can turn it off I would be on the road to being a happy camper
[11:47] <well_laid_lawn> you've checked in top that there's nothing working the cpu hard?
[11:47] <StormStrikes> correct
[11:47] <well_laid_lawn> k
[11:48] <StormStrikes> right now, its running about 4% of the CPU and fan is going strong
[11:48] <well_laid_lawn> maybe using cpufreq will do something
[11:48] <well_laid_lawn> !info cpufreq
[11:48] <well_laid_lawn> !find cpufreq
[11:48] <well_laid_lawn> !info cpufreqd
[11:48] <Srirangan> dropping in to say thank you to the xubuntu team .. xfce /xubuntu saved the day after gnome 3 / unity shat all over my ati amd video card
[11:51] <StormStrikes> I just checked the sensors and the cores are running 48 - 50c
[11:52] <well_laid_lawn> so it's running flat out 'cause of the temp
[11:52] <well_laid_lawn> not*
[11:52] <StormStrikes> right, they arent high at all...
[12:03] <StormStrikes> Let me ask about another couple issues.  First, there is no bluetooth icon in the menu bar.  There was one under Ubuntu 11.10.  Am I missing something in xubuntu that I can add?
[12:07] <well_laid_lawn> tried right clicking the panel and adding one?
[12:08] <StormStrikes> There is nothing bluetooth related that can be added
[12:08] <well_laid_lawn> o
[12:09] <madnick> StormStrikes: checked "Settings -> Bluetooth"?
[12:09] <madnick> That should give you an icon, then just add it to autostart
[12:09] <StormStrikes> Failed to execute command "gnome-control-center bluetooth"
[12:09] <madnick> gnome-control-center?
[12:10] <StormStrikes> right (No such file or directory)
[12:10] <madnick> Well, xubuntu does not use that
[12:11] <madnick> And I meant, under settings in the panel menu, not in the xfce settings
[12:11] <StormStrikes> Oh, well theres the problem I suppose.  What should I have installed.
[12:11] <StormStrikes> Yeah, thats where I went  Menu > Settings > Bluetooth
[12:12] <madnick> Still no icon?
[12:12] <madnick> oh
[12:12] <StormStrikes> Yeah, when I try to launch it, I get the above mentioned error
[12:12] <madnick> Do you have Xubuntu, or did you install xubuntu-desktop?
[12:13] <StormStrikes> I have Xubuntu, did a fresh install
[12:13] <StormStrikes> 11.10
[12:13] <madnick> Let me check
[12:13] <madnick> what it says for me
[12:13] <StormStrikes> Thank you so much...
[12:14] <madnick> StormStrikes: what if you run "blueman-applet"
[12:14] <madnick> in a terminal
[12:14] <StormStrikes> in terminal?
[12:15] <StormStrikes> It says there is already an instance running
[12:15] <madnick> O_o
[12:15] <StormStrikes> LOL
[12:16] <madnick> Is this a developer install or the release?
[12:16] <StormStrikes> release
[12:16] <madnick> what if you kill blueman-applet and rerun it? :P
[12:16] <StormStrikes> In the session and start up it shows bluetooth manager set to start at boot
[12:16] <StormStrikes> lemme try that
[12:18] <well_laid_lawn> maybe dmesg has something about it
[12:18] <StormStrikes> do that by running 'sudo blueman-applet stop' right?
[12:18] <madnick> I would just run "killall blueman-applet"
[12:18] <StormStrikes> done
[12:21] <StormStrikes> What would I be looking for in dmesg about bluetooth, anything specific?
[12:23] <madnick> I ran it in Virtualbox, and no applet there, but I have it on my install
[12:23] <madnick> Excatly the same problem you described when i run in virtualbox
[12:23] <StormStrikes> hmmm
[12:23] <StormStrikes> Im not running it virtually just in case your scratching your head, LOL
[12:24] <StormStrikes> Im not terminal expert, I try to use it every chance I get, but to restart the applet I would just run sudo blueman-applet start?
[12:24] <madnick> Well, at this point im just guessing what could cause this, im wondering what would happen if one does not acctually have bluetooth/bluetooth drivers
[12:24] <madnick> And uses the applet
[12:25] <StormStrikes> I have bluetooth, certain of that and it seemingly worked in ubuntu in that I had the icon, could turn it on and off I just never connected anything with it
[12:29] <madnick> been peaking at logs etc, i find no releveant information
[12:31] <moetunes> maybe have a look at lshw or gtk-lshw
[12:35] <madnick> my blueman does not start due to not having an adapter it seems
[12:57] <holstein> any luck making preffered applications stick? such as chromium-browser for the web?
[13:03] <TheSheep> holstein: sure, just copy the defaults file from /usr/share/applications to ~/.local/applications and edit it
[13:04]  * holstein looking TheSheep 
[13:04] <holstein> thanks...i was confused by the GUI one
[13:05] <TheSheep> the problem is that there are several sources of information for default apps
[13:05] <TheSheep> and different applications use different ones as authoritative
[13:05] <holstein> defaults.list?
[13:05] <TheSheep> yeah
[13:12] <holstein> so... this seem right? changing x-scheme-handler/https=firefox.desktop to x-scheme-handler/http=/usr/bin/chromium-browser ??
[13:16] <gebi> hi all :)
[13:16] <gebi> THX for xubuntu-desktop otherwise new ubuntu would be useless for most of my users :)!
[13:17] <TheSheep> holstein: you need to change both http and https
[13:17] <TheSheep> holstein: and you need to point them to the desktop file
[13:18] <holstein> OK... so, not /usr/share then
[13:18]  * holstein still looking...
[13:18] <TheSheep> holstein: they are all in the /usr/share/applications
[13:24] <holstein> eh... still getting a pop-up
[13:24] <holstein> whatever... i'll chew on this issue as i go
[13:31] <holstein> this is when i reboot, i get the default browser pop-up
[13:31] <holstein> by the way...
[13:39] <holstein> nah... i cant seem to sort it out from working with that file
[13:40] <holstein> i tried the full path the *.desktop
[13:41] <TheSheep> don;t use full path, just the file name
[13:41] <holstein> yup
[13:41] <holstein> thats what i did before using the full path
[13:42] <holstein> using the full path is a bad idea though... the pop-up about the default browser has no options in it, and it hangs til i kill the browser
[13:42] <TheSheep> O.o
[13:42] <holstein> anyways, now im back to just rm-ing that file, and answering once each reboot i suppose
[13:43] <TheSheep> you can try the settings editor
[13:45]  * holstein looking
[13:46] <EagleScreen> I have a problem with xubuntu 11.10
[13:47] <EagleScreen> to browse a phone via bluetooth, blueman want to open nautilus, but it is not installed (and it shouldn't)
[13:48] <holstein> hmmm, i havent had any reasong to use blueman EagleScreen , but i used nautilus before
[13:48] <holstein> i think it was with the -nodestkop option... is using nautilus out of the question?
[13:48] <EagleScreen> blueman is the default tool i have installed
[13:50] <holstein> EagleScreen: check out http://blueman-project.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=80
[13:50] <holstein> by nickums » 24 Apr 2009, 15:26
[13:51] <holstein> 5th one down or so...
[13:54] <xubuntu578> hi
[13:54] <xubuntu578> he told me thanks for installing, but de bar is not ful
[13:54] <xubuntu578> so it seems he is still busy
[13:56] <holstein> xubuntu984: ?
[13:57] <holstein> you mean EagleScreen ?
[13:58] <xubuntu578> I guess, new to xubuntu
[13:58] <EagleScreen> holstein: I see the workaround suggested in that forum
[13:58] <holstein> EagleScreen: you see it? or you tried it?
[13:58] <EagleScreen> not by the moment
[13:59] <EagleScreen> i am now at work with Windows XP
[13:59] <EagleScreen> i will try it later
[13:59] <holstein> EagleScreen: :)
[13:59] <xubuntu578> I just installed xubuntu, or so I thought
[13:59] <EagleScreen> but i did expect not to have to do that kind of workarunds in default Xubuntu installation
[13:59] <holstein> xubuntu984: i thought you were joinging and speaking for EagleScreen due to an internet issue
[14:00] <holstein> EagleScreen: ?
[14:00] <holstein> AFAIK, blueman is not in xubuntu by default
[14:00] <holstein> and it (blueman) supports a different filemanager by default than what comes with xubuntu
[14:00] <holstein> so, you have options
[14:00] <holstein> install nautilu
[14:00] <holstein> s
[14:01] <xubuntu578> But any idea he is just still installing, don;t see any gui as well atm
[14:01] <EagleScreen> how not? blueman is isntalled by default in my xubuntu
[14:01] <holstein> change the default filemanager setting (assuming blueman functions with this setting edited)
[14:01] <holstein> EagleScreen: maybe it is... thats why i said AFAIK
[14:02] <holstein> in that case, i would file a bug
[14:02] <holstein> and include this workaround if it works
[14:02] <holstein> EagleScreen: could be that just not enough folks use it to have caught the issue
[14:03] <holstein> i know, i dont have much bluetooth hardware, and i just connect the phone wifi or use dropbox or whatever
[14:04] <holstein> EagleScreen: yeah... heres one
[14:04] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/blueman/+bug/229139
[14:04] <holstein> EagleScreen: you can add yourself there and keep up to date as that fix is released
[14:05] <EagleScreen> according that bug it is fix released...
[14:05] <holstein> xubuntu578: not sure im following you.. but i usually take time with the live CD and make that get to a desktop.. a GUI
[14:05] <EagleScreen> but i am sufferinr of it
[14:06] <holstein> EagleScreen: right, so you can keep up with it... go in there and say 'i still have it'... see who release the fix and ping them if you can
[14:06] <xubuntu578> so I just have to wait for a few hours or something?
[14:06] <EagleScreen> ok
[14:07] <holstein> xubuntu578: depends on what you are waiting on... i would actively take the live ISO and get to the desktop first
[14:07] <holstein> using whatever methods needed... 'nomodeset' or whatever other safe-desktop modes might be needed
[14:07] <holstein> then, i would run lspci and poke around a bit.. see how the sound works.. multimedia keys.... whatever else
[14:07] <holstein> then, install :)
[14:09] <xubuntu578> but he seems busy installing
[14:09] <holstein> xubuntu578: he?
[14:09] <holstein> the machine is installing?
[14:09] <holstein> im not sure what/how you are installing
[14:09] <xubuntu578> yes, in think so
[14:09] <xubuntu578> i try to install xunbuntu from cd
[14:09] <holstein> well, either its wrting to the hard drive, or its not
[14:10] <holstein> i would think on a modern system it shouldnt take long
[14:10] <xubuntu578> yes, from then sound of it it is..
[14:10] <holstein> wont hurt anything to wait a while
[14:10] <xubuntu578> itś a 10-year old computer :P
[14:11] <holstein> could hurt something to force power off, though sometimes thats what you have to do
[14:11] <holstein> if its an old box, and it seems like its writing, i would wait
[14:11] <GridCube> xubuntu578: you are using the alternate cd?
[14:11] <xubuntu578> ok, thne I wait some more..
[14:11] <GridCube> if you do press alt-f4 and see the changelog :P
[14:12] <GridCube> it will tell you exactly whats happening
[14:13] <xubuntu578> alt F4 will only abort the instalation
[14:14] <xubuntu578> is there some task manager I could check?
[14:15] <GridCube> xubuntu578: oh. you are using the gui installer?
[14:15] <xubuntu578> yes, I guess..
[14:15] <GridCube> then ctrl-alt-fn  one of the f[1-6] should show you the installer logs
[14:16] <GridCube> i never do gui installs, never for old computers either
[14:16] <GridCube> alternate is far better and faster
[14:17] <holstein> agreed, though i still like to try and run the LIVE cd to see how the hardward support is going to be
[14:30] <kalib> Hi people. Something is wrong. I did install my xubuntu right now but it is booting with the wrong keyboard layout. So, I can't log in with my user...
[14:31] <kalib> How can I change the keyboard layout to boot with the correct one?
[14:31] <kalib> I can Only log in with guest (no password).
[14:33] <holstein> kalib: does this help?
[14:33] <holstein> http://igrudge.net/keyboard-layout-ubuntu-server-11-04/
[14:33] <holstein> i think you need something you can drop in TTY i suppose, assuming you can loging somewhere
[14:33] <kalib> holstein, no..
[14:33] <holstein> if now, you might need to edit the file from a live CD
[14:33] <holstein> if not*
[14:34] <kalib> because when I go to tty (CTRL + ALT + F2), I can't log in..
[14:34] <holstein> kalib: so, using a live CD to edit the file is not an options?
[14:34] <kalib> because the layout is wrong..
[14:34] <holstein> option*
[14:34] <kalib> when I try to type thge username and password..
[14:34] <holstein> kalib: right
[14:34] <kalib> I got wrong chars.
[14:34] <holstein> kalib: can you use a live CD to edit the local file?
[14:34] <kalib> holstein, using a live cd would work.
[14:34] <kalib> which file should I edit?
[14:35] <holstein> kalib: the link i gave suggests editing /etc/default/keyboard
[14:35] <kalib> thanks
[14:35] <kalib> I'll try it right now.
[14:35] <holstein> i say, as long as you keep track of what you mess with, and know how to change them back you can experiment a bit
[15:00] <kalib> holstein, worked. thanks]
[15:18] <holstein> kalib: o/
[15:33] <pertutatis> hi, please, how can I disable click on touchpad?
[15:33] <GridCube> !synaptics
[15:34] <GridCube> pertutatis: ^^^
[15:34] <pertutatis> ok thanks
[15:36] <holstein> how about disabling the keyboard while typing?
[15:36] <holstein> disable the touchpad**
[15:36] <pertutatis> one more thing, how can I get icon picture preview on desktop?
[15:38] <ElderDryas> holstein: Settings>Removable Drives and Media>Input Devices>Mice  synclient TouchPadOff=1
[15:41] <pertutatis> sorry ElderDryas, can you be more especific?
[15:42] <ElderDryas> how?  I gave you where and what to to put there?
[15:42] <holstein> ElderDryas: o/
[15:42]  * holstein looking
[15:43] <pertutatis> sorry, I am a rookie here, so I have to type that on the mouse (enabled)?
[15:43] <ElderDryas> Menu>Settings>.....put the command in the box and click the checkbox
[15:44] <holstein> yeah, im just new to XFCE... im not seeing it though
[15:44] <pertutatis> where it says "automatically run this program when USB  mouse is connected"?
[15:44] <holstein> pertutatis: are you in 11.10?
[15:44] <pertutatis> yes 11.10
[15:44] <holstein> OK
[15:44] <drvladimirtzu> How can I get rid of those infuriating little black box notifications every time I get an im or something?
[15:47] <holstein> drvladimirtzu: http://www.linux-archive.org/xubuntu-user/404394-how-turn-off-desktop-popups.html suggests removing notify-osd and its not too old of a post
[15:47] <holstein> i have not tried it though, so i would do some research about it first
[15:48] <holstein> !notify-osd
[15:48] <GridCube> !info notify-osd
[15:49] <Sysi> drvladimirtzu: set your IM app to not send notifications
[15:49] <Sysi> or your irc client if you ment that
[15:49] <drvladimirtzu> holstein sysi:  Thanks guys.  Sysi had it right, it was a pidgin feature, nothing to do with the desktop, which is what I'd assumed.  Found it in prefs lol
[15:49] <drvladimirtzu> Turns out notifyd isn't even installed anyway
[15:50] <Sysi> xfce4-notifyd since 10.10 or so
[15:50] <drvladimirtzu> I was getting frustrated cuz I couldn't find an option in the xfce prefs. XD
[15:50] <holstein> Sysi: cool... thanks for the heads up
[15:52] <drvladimirtzu> Anyone know a conveniant way to get window tabbing like on fluxbox with xfce?
[15:52] <ball> What is window tabbing?
[15:53] <drvladimirtzu> In fluxbox, if you middle click on a windows toolbar and drag it onto another window, they join, and you can switch back adn forth by tabs.  Nice feature.
[15:53] <ball> Interesting. I had never heard of that.
[15:54] <drvladimirtzu> I like it a lot.  I'd like to be able to use it on xfce.  Fluxbox is a huge pain to use.  Gotta set up your wallpaper by config file. XD
[15:54] <Sysi> you could use fluxbox with xfce, though I've heard it may cause little problems with wallpaper
[15:55] <Sysi> problems like you can actually drag wallpaper around
[15:55] <holstein> lol
[15:55] <drvladimirtzu> Ha!
[15:55] <drvladimirtzu> I dunno if that'd agrivate me or amuse me greatly.
[15:55] <GridCube> amuse first
[15:55] <GridCube> agrivate later
[15:55] <drvladimirtzu> XD  Sounds about right.
[15:55] <Sysi> install fluxbox and/or run fluxbox --replace
[15:56] <drvladimirtzu> I have it installed to play around with.  What does the --replace do?
[15:56] <Sysi> kills WM you're running now
[15:57] <panthar> holstein: I figured out the xfce/compiz thing. I had compiz installed but not Ubuntu's "compiz" metapackage which includes metacity as a fallback decorator.
[15:57] <holstein> panthar: AH... makes sense
[15:57] <drvladimirtzu> After running that, at the login will I have seperate xfce options for standard xfce vs xfce with flux for the wm?
[15:57] <holstein> you are from + panthar ?
[15:57] <panthar> Aye.
[15:57] <Sysi> panthar: I think it's actually gtk-window-decorator that uses metacity themes
[15:58] <Sysi> drvladimirtzu: no, save session on logout
[15:58] <panthar> Sysi: the compiz-window-decorator does a fallback to metacity.
[15:58] <drvladimirtzu> Sysi  Aye.  Good stuff.  I'll give it a shot.
[15:59] <ball> Upgrade to twm?
[15:59] <Sysi> panthar: okay, I haven't even tried compiz in years but I know some stuff
[16:01] <panthar> Oh interesting - dug deeper and you are correct. It installed metacity-core and libmetacity but not /usr/bin/metacity.
[16:01] <panthar> I love the tangled webs of .debs! :)
[16:01] <panthar> But gtk-window-manager was installed by the meta "compiz" which makes sense depending on libmetacity to use those themes.
[16:02] <panthar> Man, I just wanted to try this for kicks, but it's sure a lot more twisted than running xfwm4 :)
[16:02] <holstein> yeah, its funky
[16:03] <holstein> i installed and planned on tweaking/breaking and reinstalling
[16:03] <holstein> i landed with something useable
[16:03] <holstein> im trying *not* to try and emulate gnome2, but get something like what i used there while getting used to XFCE too
[16:04] <panthar> Same here - XFCE and Gnome2 both just let me move things around like I wanted.
[16:05] <panthar> But I'm much happier back on XFCE - I like my extra RAM back :)
[16:05] <holstein> yeah, lighter, and there were always a couple things i wanted to tweak about gnome2 that i couldnt
[16:05] <holstein> i got a couple little issues here and there with XFCE
[16:05] <holstein> no deal breakers so far
[16:06] <ball> holstein: Do they relate to having two monitors?
[16:06] <holstein> ball: not yet... thats my production machine that im holding off on til i transition and get comfortable
[16:06] <panthar> That was the biggest problem to get mine set up actually.
[16:07] <holstein> that'll run 10.04 for quite a while longer
[16:07] <panthar> Mostly because you have do do everything through randr *and* the annoying ATI control center.
[16:08] <panthar> Once I got that sequence of configuration correct though, it's running solidly now on dual monitors.
[16:08] <holstein> panthar: and now you want to break it with compiz ;)
[16:08] <GridCube> thats more an ATI fault than xubuntu
[16:09] <panthar> GridCube: Agreed
[16:10] <panthar> holstein: Of course! If it has screws I need to take it apart :)
[16:10] <Sysi> I never really understood what was so great in old gnome, panel setup was just weird, menus messy and windowmanager quite terrible
[16:10] <holstein> :)
[16:10] <holstein> Sysi: those are my issues exactly
[16:10] <holstein> that panel hiding is just horrible
[16:10] <holstein> compiz integration really slicked it up though
[16:11] <Sysi> unity is a bit messy but not really bad, gnome3 is nice and simple but quite limited in options
[16:11] <holstein> but yeah, on its own... not so nice
[16:11] <Sysi> setting up compiz just sucks
[16:11] <guest-P9I2GC> hello guys, i have a problem of tablet nature. basicly, i dont have an onscreen kb option in accesibility menu on login, any idea on how to fix it?
[16:12] <panthar> Hrm well compiz is working... feels sluggish though compared to stock setup.
[16:12] <holstein> something like light-dm maybe?... im interested in what Sysi suggests...
[16:12] <Sysi> lightdm is the login manager, I don't (yet) know too much about setting it up
[16:13] <madnick> Well
[16:13] <Sysi> fast solution could be to install GDM
[16:13] <madnick> You can enable extras
[16:13] <holstein> yeah, im not sure about onscreen KB's in light-dm... ive only seen it a few times in action
[16:14] <GridCube> oh guest-P9I2GC D: thats bad
[16:14] <madnick> guest-P9I2GC: do you have OnBoard when you arrive at the desktop?
[16:14] <guest-P9I2GC> i had it on ubuntu with gnome, so dunno why its not o xubu
[16:14] <guest-P9I2GC> yea, i logged in as guest :P
[16:14] <guest-P9I2GC> im on my tablet
[16:14] <holstein> guest-P9I2GC: different login managers is the 'why'
[16:14] <madnick> What happens if you go to Settings->Session and start up, and enable Gnome services?
[16:14] <Sysi> ubuntu should be using lightdm too
[16:15] <madnick> and relog
[16:15] <GridCube> guest-P9I2GC: you want to be able to log in or use an autologing?
[16:15] <Sysi> madnick: that's just for stuff after login
[16:15] <holstein> using gdm is an easy option, and should do no harm
[16:16] <Sysi> 'apt-get --no-install-recommends install gdm' shouldn't install entire gnome
[16:20] <guest-P9I2GC> ok ill try to play with gnome services and if it wont work ill install gdm :) thanks all ;)
[16:20] <guest-P9I2GC> cya :)
[17:13] <olbi> hello
[17:13] <olbi> why app ristretto is so out of date?:P
[17:13] <olbi> 0.0.93 while actually is 0.2.2 ??
[17:19] <knome> olbi, because the development of ristretto happened very late during the oneiric cycle and we didn't have time to push it
[17:19] <olbi> I think we should change this image viewer for better app cause this is so poor :P
[17:21] <knome> feel free to write an application comparison blueprint and present it to the development team with arguments on why to change to something else and it will be discussed
[17:21] <olbi> :)
[17:22] <knome> i mean, everything is really open for discussion
[17:22] <olbi> I have to look at apps, which don't have too much dependicies and are light for system :D
[17:22] <knome> though i think we will keep ristretto as the default for 12.04, judging by the discussions i've had with the ristretto developer
[17:23] <knome> nothing is decided yet though
[17:26] <TheSheep> olbi: I recommend 'comix' for image viewer
[17:26] <olbi> but it will be line 0.2.x?
[17:28] <olbi> how to install gtk+-2.0 >= 2.20.0... not found ??:P
[17:28] <olbi> in repo i can't find it
[17:29] <knome> olbi, of course the ristretto version will be more recent in 12.04
[17:29] <olbi> i want now compile new version but have problem with gtk+
[17:30] <knome> i can't suggest compiling a newer version if you can't get around stuff before actually compiling
[17:31] <Sysi> olbi: newest xubuntu version?
[17:32] <olbi> yep
[17:32] <olbi> 12.04
[17:32] <olbi> tfu, 11.10 :P
[18:14] <olbi> maybe gpicview from lxde is much better :D
[18:14] <olbi> tested it 10 min and I like it :)
[18:40] <xubuntu394> I m Brazilian get some info of Xunbutu
[18:42] <TheSheep> just ask
[18:45] <xubuntu394> I m need run Office(windows) in Xubuntu. Xunbutu need emulator  = Wine?
[18:46] <S_SubZero> yup
[18:47] <TheSheep> not sure if microsoft office runs on wine though
[18:47] <TheSheep> I mean, not sure which versions do
[18:48] <S_SubZero> what part of Office do you need?  Outlook?
[18:49] <xubuntu394> im use microsoft office for example (sorry my poor enghish) kkkk
[18:50] <S_SubZero> Use LibreOffice!  (hard to say with a straight face)
[18:50] <xubuntu394> see abyword and gnumeric
[18:51] <xubuntu394> libre is compatible of docs os micro.. office?
[18:52] <S_SubZero> they say it is but who knows
[18:52] <S_SubZero> I'm sure as the document complexity goes up, LibreOffice successfully reproducing it goes down
[18:53] <olbi> xubuntu394: MS isnt full compatible, it only support some part of doc, docs and others formats
[18:55] <xubuntu394> ok thanks for help im find more infos in time for use this system nice :)
[19:16] <sandra_> Hello my fellow Xubuntu inmates :-)
[19:16] <sandra_> I hope you all are doing well *S*
[19:17] <sandra_> I would like to ask if there is a good article that provides a step by step process that explains how to install nvidia 290.3 into Ubuntu 11.10 Thanks so much
[19:17] <sandra_> I say Ubuntu 11.10 because Xubuntu is based on Ubuntu.
[19:17] <ElderDryas> I come up before the parole board next week...we'll see how well I'm doing then.
[19:18] <sandra_> ElderDryas, Well you keep us informed on your status
[19:18] <ElderDryas> If I don't show up here...it went well :)
[19:19] <sandra_> ElderDryas, Any chance you might have answer to my question ? lol
[19:19] <w30> ElderDryas, be sure to keep your Morgue community service........
[19:19] <w30> ElderDryas, appointment
[19:19] <olbi> sandra_: it is very easy :)
[19:20] <sandra_> olbi, I'm all years :-)
[19:20] <sandra_> oops ears
[19:20] <ElderDryas> w30: oh, maybe Lindsey will like me ?
[19:20] <sandra_> lol
[19:21] <sandra_> olbi, as I mentioned it's nvidia 290.03
[19:21] <sandra_> olbi, So tell me just how easy it is :-) I'm all ears and eyes :-)
[19:22] <olbi> sandra_: w8, w8 stable are 280, so fot what you need 290.3?
[19:22] <w30> ElderDryas, *harumph* *cough* *cough*
[19:22] <olbi> sandra_: what graphics do you have?
[19:23] <ElderDryas> olbi: What for?  Obviously you don't know sandra_ like we do :)
[19:24] <sandra_> olbi, I need it because it takes care of a few bugs the current stable *cough* nvidia has.
[19:25] <sandra_> Is there a good article a step by step how too in order to do this ?
[19:25] <olbi> sandra_: you need to download blobs from nvidia sites, go to dir where you do it
[19:25] <olbi> sandra_: that in terminal run this
[19:26] <sandra_> olbi, taking notes here
[19:26] <olbi> sandra_: but befire install, you must go to runlevel 3
[19:27] <olbi> ElderDryas: how you know sandra_ ?:P
[19:27] <sandra_> olbi, yes I just need a good set of step by step how too's  and I'm sure I can do it.
[19:27] <olbi> ElderDryas: I mean what she likes to do :]
[19:27] <olbi> sandra_: so I tell you it
[19:27] <w30> I have a graphics problem in compiz; my screen won't repaint, redraw when switching back with ctrl alt F7. I have to select the whole screen with mouse to get the redraw.
[19:28] <olbi> sandra_: on nvidia site is nice manual
[19:28] <sandra_> olbi, what's the addy to that link ?
[19:29] <olbi> sandra_: ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-8178/README/index.html
[19:30] <sandra_> thank you
[19:30] <w30> What's the right video driver for a GForce 7600 GTO/GT ?
[19:30] <olbi> 280
[19:30] <olbi> w30: 280.*
[19:31] <olbi> I have now GF 6600GT and have 280.x
[19:33] <w30> olbi, I mean from ubuntu repos? I don't have the Nvidia nombers in additional drivers
[19:33] <w30> nombers/numbers
[19:36] <w30> agemoi100
[19:51] <w30> ls/part
[21:02] <godmod> how do i get hibernation working?
[21:03] <TheSheep> what doesn't work?
[21:04] <godmod> it says that i don't have enough swap when i have enough
[21:04] <TheSheep> how much ram and how much swap do you have?
[21:05] <Sysi> (hibernation is sloow, shut down or use suspend?)
[21:06] <godmod> i have a decent ssd w/ 8gb of ram, & about the same swap
[21:06] <babble> hm. Is anyone having trouble connecting to other irc networks (other than freenode) in xchat since upgrading to 11.10?
[21:07] <TheSheep> godmod: "about"?
[21:07] <TheSheep> godmod: you need enough free swap space to fit all your ram in it
[21:08] <godmod> it says lvm, what does taht mean?
[21:08] <TheSheep> !lvm
[21:10] <TheSheep> godmod: lvm is a way to get all your disk into a single pool, and then divide that pool into virtual disks any way you need
[21:11] <godmod> ok 8476mbyte swap and 8088mbyte
[21:11] <godmod> *ram
[21:22] <muzzy_> does anybony know if there's something wrong with gthumb??? I cannot import photos from my camera (canon g5)... but it is detected when i do a 'gphoto2 --auto-detect' or i can download photos with a 'gphoto2 --get-all-files'
[21:24] <muzzy_> i'm using ubuntu 11.10 (fresh installed)
[21:24] <muzzy_> xubuntu*
[21:55] <gr8m8> seems my upgrade has gone ok  cheers for that :)
[22:48] <muzzy_> does anybony know if there's something wrong with gthumb in xubuntu 11.10??? I cannot import photos from my camera (canon g5)... but it is detected when i do a 'gphoto2 --auto-detect' and i can download photos with a 'gphoto2 --get-all-files'