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WensleyDaskreech: thanks00:04
Wensleyalso, I'm having a hard time finding the md5 of kubuntu-11.10-desktop-amd64.iso00:06
Wensleythe UbuntuHashes page (which is where you end up if you follow the kubuntu install instructions) doesn't even have a section for 11.1000:06
DaskreechWensley: Look on the cdimages.ubuntu.com site. Under Kubuntu of course00:07
Daskreech there is a MD5SUMS file00:07
Wensleyoh, is it listed as kubuntu-11.10-desktop-amd64+mac.iso ?00:08
Wensleyasking because my md5 doesn't match up with any of those on that page00:09
DaskreechWensley: Might be the wrong one then?00:10
Wensleythis is the one that I got from www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download , with the 64-bit dropdown00:11
DaskreechWensley: What' the md5sum that you get?00:15
DaskreechWensley: run a sha1sum on it as well00:17
hexacodehey you guys. im learning about databases and i realize how useful they are...im even considering using databases as backends to some of my security scripts...thing is.. what if i need to use my scripts on a computer that doesnt have net access and i cant connect to my mysql database?  is ther such thing as a packaged database? that you can package together with a program ?00:18
hexacodeand carry it wherever u go00:18
hexacodeand connect to it?00:18
WensleyDaskreech: md5: 8d9b77938d230690fe0d9785c0425c09   I've downloaded it on my windows machine, and I don't think that sha1sum comes with msys...00:20
DaskreechWensley: it doesn't00:20
DaskreechWensley: how did you download it?00:27
Wensleyhttp://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download , choose the "64 bit" dropdown option, clicked "Begin download"00:27
Wensleyjust downloaded a fresh copy and the hash is the same, so I'm guessing it's not corrupted... but I have to head out for a while, unfortunately00:28
DaskreechWensley: ok00:30
_Roeyhaaa01:26
_Roeyhi01:26
=== _Roey is now known as MostEvilRoey
MostEvilRoeyhey all01:26
MostEvilRoeyHow do I blacklist nouveau so that I can install the nvidia proprietary drivers?01:27
Roeyyo how do I blacklist nouveau??? this shit keeps waking up from the dead like zombie jesus.01:46
RoeyI am trying to install the proprietary NVidia drivers.01:46
Roeybut this module is always in use and I can't seem to get rid of it using rmmod.01:46
RoeyDaskreech: hola01:47
Roeyhey runnoc01:47
DaskreechRoey: Hi01:49
szalRoey: installing nvidia should automagically blacklist nouveau01:50
Roeyyeah? it doesn'.t01:50
Roeywtf.  every time I do-dist-upgrade, I have to hassle with my system.  Every single fucking time.01:50
Roeyand it always takes a day or two.01:51
szal!language01:51
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phiscribeso does most of the world i think Roey01:51
Roeynvidia is already installed.01:51
phiscribei can graph the happiness of my life on a chart based on how many times ive opend xorg.conf01:51
Roeythis is *insane*.01:51
Roeyanyway, so my nvidia drivers are already installed, it seems.01:51
phiscribebut, im getting ready to clean install 11.10, even though it took me days to get 11.04 stableized, gonna but kubuntu on one system and lubuntu on three others maybe 401:52
* szal hasn't had to fiddle w/ much of anything after do-release-upgrade01:52
phiscribeput that is01:52
Roeyszal: get an effing nvidia card and start feeling the pain.01:53
Roeyphiscribe: it's painful.01:53
* szal has a GT24001:53
RoeyI have a GT260.01:53
Roeywhy did it mess up my video on reboot after I upgraded????01:53
Roeyugh.01:53
Roeyanyway... so I want to make sure nvidia is installed correctly01:53
Roeybut in order to do that, I have to blacklist nouveau01:54
Roeybut inorder to blacklist nouveau, I should uninstall nvidia.01:54
Roey....?01:54
phiscribethese later releases (any flavor linux) realy dont like it when you mix say a lcd monitor with an anolog cable, gets the eddid data bumfuzzled and starts tht hold your hand failsafe bullet proff x crapola dummy it down so know body can floow and your chasing down xorgs that may or not be used01:54
phiscribei got nvidia too, im gonna install the restict4ed drivers as soon as i wipe 11.04, getting ready to soon01:56
RoeyI tried that.01:56
RoeyI couldn't.01:56
Roeyit's because I coudln't load the systme without nouveau autmatically loading.01:56
phiscribeXorg -configure from terminal01:56
Roeyand then the install script complains.01:56
phiscribewith X dead01:56
Roeythat nouveau is alrady there, so it just fails.01:56
Roeyphiscribe: ok, what does that do, functionally?01:57
Roeylike, the system /boots/ with nouveau kernel module loaded.01:57
phiscribegenerates a xorg.conf.new file01:57
Roeythat's not what I need01:57
RoeyI need to get nouveau to not load on boot.01:57
phiscribesometimes you have to move it to xorg.conf in the proper place01:57
Roeybut this is not about the xorg module01:57
Roeythis is the kernel module I'm talking about01:57
szalRoey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/721240/ <- /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf01:58
phiscribeim not 100 percent sure they have so manyauto configure scripts that well fail and tryto build xorg.conf for you, now days xorg.conf is barely used or used diffrenlty i cant follow the hops iot all jumps through to hold your hand01:58
Roeythat'd be great if I had x running and could see thatp age ;)01:58
phiscribethey try to automate this stuff for "dummies" but knowbody can right a script that allows for all possibliities01:59
szalRoey: ever heard of links2 or w3m? ;)01:59
Roeyszal: and yes, it's already there, and it blacklists nvidia and abunch of other modules.01:59
Roeyszal: I've looked at example nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf files before.  I know it blacklists nouveau.  Mine does too.01:59
Roeyszal: doesn't help much, since nouveau isstill loaded at startup.01:59
szalRoey: how do you know?01:59
phiscribewere does kubuntu put the wallpapers so i can save them before i wipe 11.04 off themap?02:00
Roeyhow do I knowwhat?02:00
szalthat nouveau is loaded02:00
Roeylsmod | grep nouveau02:01
szalyou have 'nomodeset' as a boot option?02:02
Roeythat I am not sure of.02:02
RoeyShould I?02:02
Roeywhat does it do?02:02
szalafaik, yes02:02
Squidyhi there.. I'm running kubuntu 11.10.. almost all is ok.. however, I'm having some issues with sound... the event sound of the system is ok.. but when I try to run a video using vlc I get no sound02:02
phiscribemode is a paramater used on boot to set the rsoluiton of the logon screen02:02
szalKMS doesn't work, or at least not properly, w/ the nvidia driver, but afaik it does w/ nouveau02:02
Roeyah.02:03
szalso if you have KMS enabled (by not having 'nomodeset'), nouveau is loaded as one of the 1st things02:03
Roeywhatever. when I boot with the nouveau driver, the logon screen is meesed up anyway.02:03
phiscribebut just the logon, not the x sexxion02:03
SquidyIn the device preference > Music/Video... I have PulseAudio Sound Server.. is it ok?!02:04
phiscribesetting the mode for vga only efefects the logon screen not the X server02:04
phiscribei think02:04
Squidymay you help me?02:04
Roeyhmm02:04
Roeyok02:04
phiscribelike the grub menu02:04
Roeygrub.cfg does list nomodeset there.02:04
szalSquidy: Pulse is default, so yes02:04
Roeyfuck pulseaudio grrrrrrrrRRR that's cuased me a grat deal of consternation right there.02:04
Roeybrb.02:04
szalRoey: then put that in /etc/default/grub & run 'sudo update-grub'02:04
Squidyszal: but what's happening,02:05
phiscribeszal-  nuke the .pulse folder and reboot (id do it but deleting stuff makes some ppl squirmy)02:05
Squidy:(02:05
szalSquidy: does it play or doesn't it?02:06
Squidyszal: the video is ok but its sound02:06
szalSquidy: if it plays, then check 'Playback streams' in the mixer & put the output on another device02:07
phiscribeok here goes 11.10 install, hopefully the worst of the bugs are straightened out by now bbiab02:07
phiscribefor theose wih sound problems, deleteing puslaudio's configureation file and rebooting (forcing a fresh configuration to be crated) works wonders for some, maybe not you, but its a good shot02:08
=== ubuntu is now known as cleaninstall
Roeyhi02:18
Roeyhi02:18
Roeyso... I removed nomodeset from grub.cfg02:18
Roeybut.... novueau still pops back up on bootup!!!!!02:18
Roeyarghhhhhhhhhhhhh02:18
RoeyI want the systme to boot up without the nouveau driver loaded.02:18
Roeycan I do that?02:18
cleaninstallthe mode has nothing to do with X nada02:20
Roeyok02:20
RoeyI meant the nouveau kernel driver.02:20
cleaninstallits pre X like those old vga video games02:20
RoeyI want to install the nvidia drivers.  When I try running NVIDIA.sh, it compalins of the nouveau driver being loaded and therefore it fails.02:20
Roeyso I've been trying all these ways to blacklist this fucking thking from startup.02:21
RoeyI looked at /etc/modprobe.d/...02:21
Roeyand blacklisted it there in blacklist.conf02:21
cleaninstalli can never get much out of those nouveau drivers, if your not worried about using closed source, shoot for the proprietary nvida drivers and not the free ones02:21
Roeyyet... these stupid thing keeps coming back.02:21
RoeyGRRRRRRRRR02:21
Roeycleaninstall: dude, I've been trying to install the proprietary ones for a day now.02:22
cleaninstallrun the nvidia installer it pushes the free drivers away02:22
Roeycleaninstall: it won't install because it complains that nouveau is loaded.02:22
Roeycleaninstall: it compalins and fails.02:22
cleaninstalldo it out of X02:22
Roeycleaninstall:  I am out of X.02:23
Roeycleaninstall:  does grub load nouveau???02:23
cleaninstallwell im getting ready to reboot and im sure im gonna have the same problem,02:23
Roeyyou will.02:23
cleaninstallno kdm probably does, if you see anything but a terminal you are in X02:24
Roeyfuck this.  Every single fucking time I do-release-upgrade, I get shit.02:24
cleaninstallone window X02:24
Roeycleaninstall: hgmm, you're right, kdm is running in the background.02:24
Roeywhich runlevel boots without x?02:24
moetunes!language | Roey02:25
ubottuRoey: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional.02:25
cleaninstalloutside of X is no gui  no windows nothing but a prompt02:25
Roeynot right.02:25
Roeyer,02:25
Roeyright.02:25
Roeythat's where I am now.02:25
FloodBotK2Roey: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.02:25
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RoeyFloodBotK1: I will kill you, bot.02:25
cleaninstallwhat irc cliet do you have02:25
Roeycleaninstall: irssi.02:26
Roeyoutside of X.02:26
cleaninstalllet me check the commands02:26
Roeyotherwise, xchat.02:26
Roeyok02:26
cleaninstallbut kdm shouldnt be running, i thought02:26
Roeyme too.02:26
Roeymaybe there is a runlevel that I can boot at withotu x02:26
Roey?02:26
Roeyin Debian it is rl202:27
Roeybut kubuntu by defaults load at rl202:27
cleaninstallsudo apt-get install nvidia-current  maybe02:27
cleaninstallthen sudo nvidia-xconfig  maybe02:27
Roeyit's alrady installed :P02:28
Roeyok02:28
Roeythe issue isn't x02:28
Roeyit's before x loads.02:28
Roeyit's the nouveau driver.02:28
RoeyI need it dead.02:28
Roeynow.02:28
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cleaninstallthe noveau dirvers are X drivers they load with X02:29
RoeyNO.02:29
moetunes!kms02:29
Roeythe Noveau kernel module loads.02:29
Roeynothing to do with x.02:29
cleaninstallThe Nouveau driver suite consists of three major parts: the kernel modules (DRM), the X driver (DDX), and the 3D driver (in Mesa, optional). In addition, libdrm with Nouveau support is required.02:29
cleaninstallALL X components02:29
RoeyI've tried to apt-get5 remove the libdrm package, but then apt-get gives a long list of packages dependant on it02:30
Roey*apt-get remove02:30
cleaninstallhave you installed the restircted packages?02:30
Roeyer02:31
Roeyhrm02:31
Roeycould they have been disabled at do-release-upgrade time?02:31
cleaninstallrestricted packages on open source projects are 100% always disabled02:31
RoeyI see them listed in /etc/apt/sources.list02:31
Roeyso yes those statements are there.02:32
Roeywhat next?02:32
cleaninstallsudo apt-get install nvidia-current02:32
Roeyit's already the newest version.02:32
Roey(I'd paste it here but I am not in X)02:33
cleaninstallystem – > Administration -> Nvidia X server Settings02:33
cleaninstallSystem that is02:33
Roeythat'd be grat if I could get to x.02:33
Roey*great.02:33
cleaninstallsudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras02:34
Roeyalready newest version.02:34
Roeysame message.02:34
cleaninstalltry Xorg -configure02:34
cleaninstallor sudo Xorg -configure02:35
Roeyit complains that it can't load nvidia drivers.02:35
Roeywhat's the point of configuring X when we're trying to remove the DRM nouveau modules??02:35
cleaninstallapt-cache search nvidia02:35
Roeyok look...02:36
Roeyit says nvidia-current isalready installed.02:36
Roeyanda a bunch of other nvidia modules.02:36
Roeyyet I don't have an 'nv' module to load.02:36
cleaninstallwhat about nvidia-settings-updates02:36
cleaninstallis that installed02:37
Roeysame thing, already newest version.02:37
cleaninstallreboot02:38
cleaninstallcross fingers02:38
Roeyargh02:38
RoeyI've rebooted ten times already.02:38
RoeySame thing.02:38
cleaninstalltry the failsafe boot02:38
cleaninstallsession02:38
Roeyah... true02:38
Roeyone sec.02:38
Roeywill do, thanks!02:38
Roeybrb02:38
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cleaninstallhehe some people type like they talk02:39
Roeycleaninstall: no go.02:45
RoeyI tried rebooting and dropping to root at the boot menu, but nouveau kernel module is still loaded.02:45
Roeycleaninstall: I tried rebooting to a 2.6.38 kernel, and there too the nouveau kernel module is still loaded.02:46
Roeycleaninstall: don't reboot. ever.02:46
Roeycleaninstall: save yourself the hassle, wait till this shit gets fixed in upstream.02:46
Roeygod FUCK it what a waste of time this has been.02:46
Roey*spit*.02:46
cleaninstallwell i just put 11.10 on here and i got my finger on reboot, ill brb, maybe, dont know roey i got a nvidia card, and here i go, maybe ill learn something, i got two machines up behind me, one installing lubunutu, ill be in an out, ill be phiscribe most likley02:46
Roeyok02:46
Roeyah ok you're phiscribe02:47
Roeycleaninstall: hey!02:51
Roeyso?02:51
cleaninstallwell i got X one monitor dead, using nv (noveau)02:51
Roeyquassel, eh? so it worked?02:51
Roeyhow did you get nv loaded?02:52
Roeydid you do release upgrade or clean install?02:52
cleaninstalli did clean02:52
Roeyoh... see I did a release-upgrade.02:52
cleaninstalldidnt trust the upgrade as ive watched the bug parade02:52
Roeyyeah, I did the upgrade.02:52
cleaninstallso dude u cant get x at all?02:52
Roeyshould I just install clean?02:52
Roeynope.02:52
RoeyI mean I did under nouveau02:52
Roeyhten I got fed up with it and removed its x packages02:52
cleaninstallif you can a clean install is clean, its like going to the doctor and getting rid of your VDD02:53
Roeybut the damned drm module still loads and prevents me from running the nvidia installer.02:53
Roeysigh02:53
cleaninstallif you cant, if can be fgixed, u just gotta count on it taking some of your sanity02:53
Roeybut then I have to download my packages again.02:53
Roeyok.02:53
RoeyI am so sick of this shit, sigh.02:54
Roeyok. It's late.  I am going to bed.02:54
RoeyI thoguht that by the time it's a week out, the upgrade process should be painless.02:54
Roeyfuck me.02:54
Roeygnight02:55
cleaninstallis the package manager no longer in system settings?03:02
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phiscribeman i should have kept the modlines from last xorg03:08
RandomRogerIs anyone else having a persistent problem with rekonq randomly crashing ?03:14
eristikophilesduring sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop (on a standard ubuntu box), it asked me to pick between kdm, gdm, and lightdm03:31
eristikophilesaccording to the site i've been following, it says to pick kdm for kubuntu, gdm goes with ubuntu, etc. .. i picked lightdm thinking that it might work with both.. but is that true, or did i accidentally break it a bit?03:31
eristikophilesdo i need to switch to kdm?03:31
eristikophiles(i found how to switch, i'm just not sure whether it's necessary)03:32
adarshajoisai'm not getting any sound in my laptop speakers. The headphones work fine. I think gstreamer may be broken. Are there any other backends for phonon i can try?03:38
jmichaelxeristikophiles: it probably makes no difference. use which ever one you want, you can always change if you feel the need03:38
jmichaelxadarshajoisa: you can use the xine backend, or even vlc03:39
jmichaelxadarshajoisa: have you checked alsamixer to make sue that the volume for your speakers is not turned all the way down?03:39
adarshajoisajmichaelx: oh, thanks! :) it was turned down in alsamixer. :P03:42
jmichaelxsweet03:42
jmichaelxthat seems to happen a lot03:42
adarshajoisajmichaelx: btw, doesn't alsamixer have a gui? i had to use the terminal to turn up the volume03:43
jmichaelxit may have, but if it does, i have never seen it03:43
adarshajoisajmichaelx: ok.03:43
adarshajoisajmichaelx: how do i use vlc as a backend for phonon?03:45
jmichaelxadarshajoisa: i'm not positive03:47
adarshajoisajmichaelx: ok. i'll figure it out. also, when i try apt-get install xine, it says xine doesn't have an installation candidate. what's the package name?03:48
eristikophilesjmichaelx- thanks.. i went off reading web stuff. but that's cool03:51
uabn93can you install rocketbar from mandriva on kubuntu?03:58
hexacodeis it possible to change root to a different word..like change the root account to something called adVIMistrator ?04:04
hexacodeand if i do so, will file ownership change accordingly?04:04
hexacodessh has an option that will make it so only root is allowed to login. but root is so common and all the hackers test for it...so i want something different04:05
jmichaelxhexacode: for the sake of security, disallowing root login is what should be done, not disallowing everything but root04:20
hexacodehmm jmichaelx thats probably a good idea...but when i log in with the other user i created, theres no colors in my terminal...everythign is just yellow...heck it doesnt even display my username@host   it just has a $ sign for the prompt and thats it04:26
hexacodei dont really know why its doing that04:26
jmichaelxhexacode: all of that is customizable04:27
jmichaelxhexacode: you can custom tailor your prompt to your liking in your .bashrc file... you can find many examples online of all the different ways people configure their bash prompts.04:29
jmichaelxhexacode: i have mine so that it is blue if i am signed in as a user, or red if i am roo... and have it set to show the working directory, and the time04:31
jmichaelxroot*04:31
kamilnadeemHi04:32
hexacodejmichaelx:  thanks...so bash rc is causing color distortions then? is bashrc also causing it not to display user@host$ ?   instead it just diplays $04:32
jmichaelxhexacode: colors can also be influenced in .bashrc, and you also generally have various color schemas to choose from in whichever terminal emulator you use04:32
hexacodeaafk ill be back. ill get ur message if u make a response thanks04:33
jmichaelxhexacode: the very first thing i do when i install any linux distro is copy over my preferences for bash and for vim04:34
jmichaelxso i am not even sure what the default ubuntu prompt looks like04:34
kamilnadeemMy system startup time got really after installing Ubuntu one on Kubuntu 11.10 so I removed it but no improvement in the startup time?04:34
kamilnadeemI may again say that the exceptional delay has only began after i installed Ubuntu One. otherwise it the kde splash would load fine and right after that the startup sound , but now the kde splash takes time , then the cog jumps  and then the startup sound04:36
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jmichaelxkamilnadeem: do you have you time settings configured to use a time server?04:40
kamilnadeemNo it is local04:41
jmichaelxkamilnadeem: well, i mean in System Settings>Date and Time04:42
jmichaelxyou should be able to set that up so that it periodically adjusts your system time to keep things accurate04:43
kamilnadeemyes as I told you it is local not using time servers04:43
jmichaelxwhether or not you are using local time is irrelevant04:44
kamilnadeemI have not checked the timeservers04:44
jmichaelxthen that is probably what you should do04:44
jmichaelxas for what influence ubuntu one is having on this, i have no idea. i have never used it04:45
kamilnadeemI meant I am not using set and time and date automatically04:45
kamilnadeemdo you want me to use it?04:45
jmichaelxi am only saying that doing so would probably keep your time accurate04:46
jmichaelxunless i am completely misunderstanding you04:46
kamilnadeemwhat does this has to do with the increase in boot up time?04:46
jmichaelxlol04:46
jmichaelxi WAS completely misunderstanding you04:47
jmichaelxsorry04:47
kamilnadeemhehe04:47
kamilnadeemnow do you know the reason of the cog appearing near the mouse on startup ?04:48
jmichaelxhmm... i am not sure i know about that04:48
kamilnadeembrb04:48
cleaninstallstill trying to get nvidia dual head to work05:09
Wensleysort of a weird thing... in the kubuntu installer, the "require password to log in", "log in automatically", and "encrypt my home folder" options are all mutually exclusive because they use a shared radio button as a selector05:11
cleaninstallwell, the last two seem somewhat opposed, you would never want to encrypt your home folder and have it auto UN encrypt at start up, that is why put on a pad lock if you just throw away the key and leave it open05:14
* cleaninstall goes to restart X05:15
Wensleyah, good point05:17
Wensleyalso, installing kubuntu will also install grub, yeah? because the installer completed successfully, but it's still punting me right into windows from bios05:17
Wensleywell, actually it's doing some weird things like not detecting any disks (this is not new behavior), and *then* punting me into windows on the disks it didn't find05:18
cleaninstallsounds like the boot manager didnt get installed to the master boot record of the first drive, or to /  or something along those lines05:21
cleaninstallget supergrub2 boot disk to check it out, at least it helps me cuaes im not grub prompt super effeicent05:23
cleaninstallBUT!  twin view on my nvidia is now working woo05:23
cleaninstallalas it looks like i still gotta add modlines to get the refresh right05:24
cleaninstalli need an onion05:25
kamilnadeemHi05:25
kamilnadeemMy system startup time got really after installing Ubuntu one on Kubuntu 11.10 so I removed it but no improvement in the startup time?05:25
kamilnadeemI may again say that the exceptional delay has only began after i installed Ubuntu One. otherwise it the kde splash would load fine and right after that the startup sound , but now the kde splash takes time , then the cog jumps  and then the startup sound05:25
cleaninstallkamilnadeem: log files05:27
cleaninstallfind where the hand is, but i bet it is ubuntu one, ive read some bug repots abut it fouling things up05:27
kamilnadeemcleaninstall giving05:27
cleaninstallwhere the hang is i meant, ksyslog is good place to look05:28
kamilnadeemhere http://paste.ubuntu.com/721322/05:28
kamilnadeemdo you want me to give the bootchart05:29
kamilnadeem?05:29
cleaninstallkamilnadeem: where is the delay can you tell?05:29
cleaninstallis it before kdm or after, befoer X starts or after05:30
kamilnadeemI have automated login , so after the Kubuntu splash I see the kde splash , which has gotten a bit slow , then a gog appears on the desktop near the mouse and then the startup sound05:30
kamilnadeemwhy is the cog sppearing05:31
kamilnadeemappearing05:31
cleaninstallfile:///usr/share/applications/kde4/ksystemlog.desktop05:31
cleaninstallcrap why did it paste that, weird, anyway open ksystemlog and try to see where the delay is, many are time stamped05:32
eristikophileshm. is there any reason why an app like muon package manager isn't asking for sudo permission before running, so that it then says it can't install due to no permissions- i ran it as "sudo muon" from shell instead which works, but just curious why05:32
kamilnadeemok giving05:32
cleaninstalleristikophiles: you should never ever ever ever run an app with a gui with sudo, in kubunt use kdesudo, if you use sudo, it is lible to change permisions of files in locaiton s you donbt want to root05:33
cleaninstalli can say causei have that bad habit myself, its hard to break05:34
eristikophileswell, i only do it if nothing else seems to work05:34
eristikophilesi generally prefer not to run gui apps in shell anyway, since then i can't close the terminal (unless i'm willing to && stuff but that is also dubious practice)05:35
kamilnadeemcleaninstall i have opened it what now?05:35
eristikophiles..anyway kdesudo was installed, i checked. no idea why it did that05:35
eristikophilesit was prompting for pw in gnome, but once i switched it over to kde.. *shrug*05:35
cleaninstallyes  but kdesudo is the one to run if it has a gui, then you dont get fouled permisoins and group ownershiops, probably a config file for muo that was set to user owener and group owner now is set to root owner and root group, causing your personality split05:35
cleaninstallkamilnadeem: try the kernel log05:36
eristikophileshm05:36
eristikophilesno idea why that'd be05:36
eristikophilesexcept perhaps that i used sudo apt-get to install kubuntu-desktop and remove ubuntu-desktop05:36
eristikophilesanyway, i'm good with that box for now at least. my mother won't be running muon most likely05:37
kamilnadeemyes what now /?05:37
cleaninstallkamilnadeem: your sherlock holms looking for clues to hung processes, on second thought, the system log is probably better05:37
kamilnadeemhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/721327/05:37
kamilnadeemIndeed Mr. Holmes , I am at your disposal05:38
cleaninstallsudo with apt-get is fine as it has no gui05:39
kamilnadeemhere http://paste.ubuntu.com/721329/05:39
cleaninstallkamilnadeem:  that looks fishy init: plymouth-stop pre-start process (1236) terminated with status 105:40
kamilnadeemnow what how do we take it to task05:41
kamilnadeemthere was no need for "what" in the above statement typo05:41
cleaninstallkamilnadeem: did you say this was a *cough* cleaninstall or a upgrade?05:42
kamilnadeemcleaninstall sir05:42
cleaninstallweird05:43
cleaninstalland it is kubuntu, with kde in all its glory05:43
kamilnadeemyeah05:43
kamilnadeemmy main distro was 11.04 which I upgraded to 11.10 but it is acting funny so I made Kubuntu 11.10 my main distro05:44
kamilnadeemI am on the 4.7.2 ppa from the begining (just to let you have all the info)05:45
cleaninstall/home/USER/.xsession-errors     kamilnadeem look inside that file, replace user with what ever it is05:47
kamilnadeemalso the akonadi is not auto starting now05:47
kamilnadeemok doing05:48
cleaninstallthis is fresh install of 11.10 too i am on, non of the akonadi - nepomuk stuff seems to be running right, but it is not causing me a startup delay like you are having, i suspect fixing the nepomuk calander contact emal fees will take some doing, i read in the realease notes about problems they are having05:49
cleaninstallthough i might just need to reboot, it looks like the whoel data base got updated,05:51
kamilnadeemhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/721333/05:51
cleaninstallPLUGINS inserting:  "akonadi_birthdays_resource" 0 ("Resource", "Unique")   ---- looks like 20 new database feilds05:51
cleaninstallare you using dual monitors kamilnadeem?05:52
kamilnadeemno05:52
cleaninstallbad thig about session erros  - - no time stamp05:53
cleaninstallthere are tones of erros like this but dont know what it means, dont think it is a startup delay  X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) 305:54
kamilnadeemI also don't know :(05:55
cleaninstallwell i look at when X starts loging and its 9:59, at that time EXT4 says it remounted05:56
cleaninstallat about that time this happens NVRMloading NVIDIA UNIX x86 Kernel Module05:56
cleaninstallopen system monitor and see if you got a high load on something called fbd2 or maybe fdb2 one of those05:57
kamilnadeemok checking05:57
kamilnadeemthere is neither of them in the sresourece monitore05:59
kamilnadeemmonitor*05:59
cleaninstallwell........05:59
cleaninstallany weird file systems that you are using, butter or jfs or anything?06:00
kamilnadeemno only swap and root on ext406:01
cleaninstallonly a couple of guesses06:01
kamilnadeemok06:02
cleaninstallso weird video startup glitch, open additional drivers  and go up a notch in the driver for your video card, (i think nvidia-common  or maybe version current) and see if it is along those lines, the06:04
cleaninstallsome weird i meant06:04
cleaninstallother idea, something in the filesystem - - dirty disk or journaling not working as it should, but broad guesses06:04
kamilnadeemI am currently using version current06:05
kamilnadeemdo you want me to activate post install drivers06:05
cleaninstallthen i dont know, maybe the nepomuk and akonoid  could be causing it, none of looks liek it is runing right, even on my clean install06:06
cleaninstallbut i dont get the startup slowness like you do06:06
cleaninstallhey! at least it does start hehe06:07
kamilnadeemwell it was working fine before that ubuntu one , although I have purged every single bit of it]06:07
cleaninstallplymoth is the boot splash loader, it could be ther, try a new splash06:07
cleaninstallit does cry about something06:08
cleaninstallbut06:08
kamilnadeemok06:09
kamilnadeemtrying06:09
cleaninstallis it even used in 11.10 (plymouth) it must be06:09
kamilnadeemoh I have activated the new drivers let it install06:10
cleaninstallread this maybe it will jar something http://ubuntu.igameilive.com/2010/07/how-to-fix-plymouth-command-failed.html06:11
cleaninstalldont try any ofthat hehe just see if it rings a bell06:11
cleaninstallmaybe update your initramfs06:13
noaXesshe morning..06:13
cleaninstallo06:13
kamilnadeemmorning noaXess06:14
kamilnadeemNice stuff http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/10/ubuntu-11-10-arm/06:14
kamilnadeemI will do a reinstall of ubuntu 11.10 and see if it gets better than my current install06:15
cleaninstallg/l06:16
noaXessis it possible to temporary disable all defined window/application settings.. positio, desktop and so on? normally i work with a second monitor... but if it isn't plugged in, and i open eg dolphin, dolphins position is on bottom from the scrren see here..http://i.imgur.com/jKGnl.png06:16
cleaninstallnoaXess: not sure, but you can add a default panel to the other monitor, then you can right click the app and pick "Move"  then, u can drag it over to where you can deal with it06:18
noaXesscleaninstall: what? :).. sorry... to early in the morning..a after a night like this :)06:19
kamilnadeemclean install the drive thing is doone06:19
kamilnadeemnow do you want me to disable kde  splash06:19
kamilnadeemcleaninstall the driver thing is done(man I am really fussing the typo today)06:20
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kamilnadeemgoing to restart06:20
kamilnadeemwell nothing improved :(06:29
kamilnadeemI guess this is it06:29
kamilnadeemwhy is the cog appearing I may never know ?06:29
kamilnadeemMy system startup time increased after installing Ubuntu one on Kubuntu 11.10 so I removed it but no improvement in the startup time?06:32
kamilnadeemI may again say that the exceptional delay has only began after i installed Ubuntu One. before it the kde splash would load fine and right after that the startup sound , but now the kde splash takes time , then a cog jumps for few seconds  and then the startup sound06:32
vehemothcan I control windows from the command line? just simple things like minimising or bring to focus, maybe using dbus or something.06:41
vehemothI'm sure you could with dcop but I can't find how to do it now06:44
os_hi06:48
os_can i use kde 3.5 in kubuntu 11.10?06:49
os_any idea??06:54
vehemothos_: what's wrong with kde4?06:56
os_i have no problem with it06:57
os_but i like 3.5 !06:57
os_and i didn't find any way to install it with ubuntu 11.1006:58
vehemothos_: I was just interested, I thought it was dead06:59
os_ok06:59
os_is there any ppa for it??07:00
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alexdevillxhow to add task to cron everyday?07:07
szalvehemoth: it IS dead07:20
SunTsualexdevillx: why do you want to add a task to cron every day? Anyway, should work just like doing it once, just more often07:21
vehemothszal: maybe I'm bad at using search engines, I can't seem to find help07:21
SunTsuszal: kde4 deader than kde 3.5? Er, whut?07:22
szalSunTsu: no, KDE3 is dead07:23
os_ok can i get the source code?07:23
SunTsuszal: yeah, absolutely and it's a good thing, too07:23
vehemothany ideas on how to focus a window using dbus?07:25
vehemothI'm assuming kwin has this capability07:25
os_can anyone tell me from where can i get kde 3 source code?07:26
os_it is not available in kde.org!07:26
SunTsuos_: because it's dead for good07:27
Graf_Westerholtos_, you would not have updates, you would have old software and it is insane.07:27
SunTsugood riddance to kde307:27
os_if dolphin can split the window into 3 i will not install kde 307:29
SunTsuos_: You won't anyway, because you don't have any source for it :>07:30
os_ok07:31
os_thanks07:31
Graf_Westerholtos_, use two instances of dolphin.07:31
os_ok07:31
szalor use Krusader :P07:32
szalor keep using Konqueror, it still exists07:32
Graf_WesterholtCan anyone tell me how I turn of saving passwords in konqueror? I did not find any settings in the config form.07:33
Graf_WesterholtSame in rekonq07:35
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El5aWaGahello !!08:32
El5aWaGaanybody here ??08:32
Graf_Westerholt!ask El5aWaGa08:32
El5aWaGa:D08:33
El5aWaGahey !08:33
Graf_Westerholt!ask | El5aWaGa08:33
ubottuEl5aWaGa: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience08:33
El5aWaGammmmm08:34
El5aWaGaok08:34
nemo__??????08:34
El5aWaGawhy r u guys so silent !!08:37
FlashDeluxehi! i got a problem with kubuntu oneric, if i log in with plasma, there is no taskbar, i only see the desktop :( what can i do?08:52
well_laid_lawnFlashDeluxe: does it happen with a different user?08:53
FlashDeluxei will test, one sec please08:54
FlashDeluxeno, the other user is fine08:56
FlashDeluxecan i just copy the .kde folder?08:56
well_laid_lawnsounds like it is your configs so give it a go08:58
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FlashDeluxenow everything seems to be fine, but there are a lot of windows which want to have the password of the user09:02
FlashDeluxei mean the user whose .kde folder i took09:03
matteo__Ehy!09:33
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alexdevillxhow to use cron09:50
Graf_Westerholt!cron | alexdevillx09:54
ubottualexdevillx: cron is a way to schedule execution of software/scripts. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto09:54
Wizzirhi, nóbs09:55
Wizzirtwo questions, 1. is there any KDE integrated, reliable tool for sharing media over upnp/dlna? 2. Is there a way to capture X mouse events so I could simulate right click on "long" left click?10:06
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alexdevillxFTP or NAS?10:33
FlashDeluxehi! i installed kubuntu oneric and got a problem: if i start a program, e.g. firefox it is started in the background. :( what can i do?10:48
cousin_luigihellp11:03
cousin_luigihello*11:03
cousin_luigianyone using compiz on kubuntu? Menu pops up in strange places when I launch it.11:04
well_laid_lawnkwin has all the glitz of compiz11:05
well_laid_lawn!compiz11:05
ubottuCompiz (compositing window manager), for a howto see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager and more help #compiz11:05
cousin_luigiwell_laid_lawn: not really, kwin doesn't have a proper screen magnifier11:06
well_laid_lawnok - check the #compiz channel if no one here knows :)11:06
cousin_luigiwell_laid_lawn: I think they suggested it was a bug in kubuntu.11:08
cousin_luigihence my question11:09
well_laid_lawn!bug11:09
ubottuIf you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs.11:09
well_laid_lawnI don't know what else to say about it...11:09
cousin_luigiI'd like to be sure it's actually a bug, therefore I asked if somebody else noticed it.11:10
BluesKajHowdy all11:21
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cousin_luigihello11:21
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Wizzirhi BluesKaj11:24
Wizzirhi cousin_luigi11:24
BluesKajhi Wizzir11:24
moonfluxhrmf. looks like kubuntu oneiric broke networkmanagement (bug 883015 & bug 879828)11:28
ubottuLaunchpad bug 883015 in networkmanagement (Ubuntu) "After upgrade, all network settings are lost" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88301511:28
ubottuLaunchpad bug 879828 in networkmanagement (Ubuntu) "plasma-widget-networkmanagement doesn't remember passwords" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87982811:28
Roeyhey all11:32
Roeygood morning11:32
RoeyI did a do-release-upgrade and now I have nouveau kernel module popping up on boot.  I can't get rid of it.  I must in order to run the NVidia installer script... Tried blacklisting it in /etc/modprobe.d but it  keeps popping back up... what to do?11:33
Roeyhey maum11:34
BluesKajRoey, did you install the nvidia-current driver ?"11:37
RoeyBluesKaj: yeah it's already at its newest version.11:38
RoeyBluesKaj: yet there is no nv module.11:39
RoeyBluesKaj: BluesKaj or nvidia11:40
BluesKajwhat's lsmod |grep -i nvidia , give you ?11:40
Roeynothing.11:40
Roeyit's not loaded at all.11:40
Roeyand when I try to modprobe it, I get 'no such device' or something liek that.11:40
Roeyer, cannot find file.11:40
BluesKajwhich nvidia card?11:41
Roeygt26011:41
BluesKajdid you run sudo nvidia-xconfig11:42
RoeyBluesKaj: why isn't the nvidia module there in the first place?11:42
RoeyBluesKaj: inside or outside of X?11:43
RoeyI shouldn't have to run it even.11:43
RoeyI can't get the nvidia kernel module loaded.11:43
BluesKajoutside of X11:43
Roeybecause it doesn't exist.11:43
Roeyone sec then.11:43
RoeyBluesKaj: ok, that just rewrote my xorg.conf file.  But that's not what I need; I need to load the nviida kernel module.  Which modprobe cannot find.11:44
BluesKajRoey, how did you upgrade ?11:45
BluesKajxconfig, should tell X to load the nvidia kernel module11:46
BluesKajand how did you install nvidia-current , with jockey , or at a tty or...?11:48
RoeyBluesKaj: do-release-upgrade11:49
Roeyand nvidia-current was installed from before.11:49
RoeyBluesKaj: ya know the problem isthat before any nvidia kernel module gets loaded, the nouveau module does.11:49
BluesKajRoey, then try what gentoo64 told you in ubuntu11:51
BluesKajyou're lucky the correction trolls aren't on your case for cross posting in the chats :)11:52
Roeyok, rebooting now.11:52
Roeysee ya in a bit.11:53
RoeyBluesKaj: hey!11:57
Roeyit worked!11:57
RoeyBluesKaj: which channel was Gentoo64 in again?11:58
RoeyBluesKaj: btw so there is no modesetting; i.e. I am stuck at 80x25 text mode; nvidia module loaded automatically.11:58
BluesKajyeah, I hadn't thought of that since it was a while since i had to do that ...think it was on 10.1011:58
RoeyBluesKaj: what, to blacklist nouveau at the kernel boot line?11:58
BluesKajyeah11:58
Roeywow11:59
Roeywhich channel is gentoo64 on again?11:59
RoeyI want to thank them.11:59
BluesKaj#ubuntu11:59
* szal wonders whether we'll get a bugfix release of Qt and/or Konversation into Oneiric11:59
BluesKajszal, what bug is that ?12:00
cousin_luigibbl12:00
szalBluesKaj: Konvi crashing "unexpectedly", Konvi folks say it's a Qt bug they have described a workaround for12:01
RoeyBluesKaj: thanks12:01
Roeyhey szal, fixed my problem.  needed to blacklist nouveau at the kernel boot line.12:01
BluesKajszal, odd , I haven't had any unexpected crashes or even expected ones :)12:02
szalRoey: last night I was telling you how to put 'nomodeset' in the kernel boot line, but you quit while I was typing ;)12:02
seshagiriWhere can i find the source code of "which" command? Could someone send me the link?12:03
Roeyszal: nomodeset didn't help though12:04
Roeyb tw....12:04
SunTsuseshagiri: which which -> "which: shell built-in command"12:04
szalseshagiri: the program is in package debianutils; the pkg info should have contact info for the authors12:04
seshagiriok.12:05
SunTsuseshagiri: where are lots of standalone implementations, though, which are easy to find12:05
BluesKajseshagiri, for help with "which" , just type: man which12:05
Roeynow startx gives me an error about nvidia kernel module and glx module mismatching API (one is 285, the other is 283 or something)... I had tried to run the NVIDIA.sh installer, and it fialed at putting the libGL.so where it needed to be.  Which packages cna I apt-get install --reinstall ?12:05
seshagirii want to see how it functions. In man pages i din't find any12:06
szalRoey: your fault if you're messing w/ the shell script installer..  get nvidia-current from ubuntu-x-swat ;)12:06
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Roeyhee12:07
Roeyszal: thanks12:07
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BluesKajRoey, theat's aproprietary driver from the nvidia site  , right ? if so they aren't very reliable in their match ups with linux drivers12:07
RoeyBluesKaj: this is the first time I've seen this kind of issue with the nvidia installer script.12:08
Roeybut ok.12:08
Roeyfine, as long as this works, how can I reinstall this the debian way?12:08
Roey*kubuntu way12:08
RoeyBluesKaj: see above12:09
Roeyszal: ubuntu-x-swat ain't a package apparently12:09
BluesKajsudo apt-get install nvidia-current at a tty , then sudo nvidia-xconfig . Roey12:10
RoeyBluesKaj: thanks, one sec.12:11
seshagiriBluesKaj: Thanks12:11
ChappiBluesKaj: Hi, how can I help kubuntu. i would love to:)12:11
RoeyBluesKaj: ok, so nvidia-current is already installed; apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-current says that it is not possible.12:11
RoeyChappi: aww :)12:12
ChappiHi roey what do you mean?12:12
RoeyChappi: that you're offering to help kubuntu12:12
RoeyChappi: because you love it so mcuh12:12
Roeycute.12:13
szalRoey: ubuntu-x-swat is a package repository (PPA)12:13
Chappiyep. i love linux.. can i help? how?12:13
Roeyahh12:13
BluesKajChappi, it depends on your knowledge and ability to express it in the right situations ..but all help is welcome12:13
Roeycan you give me a deb line, szal12:13
Chappican you point me to a pointing point?12:13
Roeyhey PhilRod12:14
Chappisorry.. starting point?12:14
Roeycute x2.12:14
szalRoey: sudo apt-add-repository ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates12:14
Roeyperfect, onesec.12:14
szalChappi: a pointing point? *gg*12:14
PhilRodhi Roey12:15
Chappisorry i meant starting point..12:15
BluesKajChappi, sorry i don't know what you mean , starting point to do >>>?12:15
Chappi..to start contributing to opensource.12:15
Chappiin any way i can..12:16
Pici!contribute12:16
ubottuTo contribute and help out with Ubuntu, see http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu12:16
Chappithanks. 'll be right back.12:16
Roeyszal, BluesKaj: upon adding the swat-x repository and updating/dist-upgrading, it is rebuilding nvidia-current for me.12:19
Roey*rebuilding the nvidia modules for me.12:19
RoeyHmm.12:19
snikkerhi how can i get the button on the top right of the window [_] [o] [X], bigger?12:19
Roeyszal, blueskaj:  the nvidia GLX driver... what package to --reinstall for that?  I think the nvidia script clobbered the GL installation.12:20
szalRoey: you might first wanna restart X (or better reboot) after installing the nVidia driver12:21
zeroxhello people do you speak russia?12:22
Roeyszal: I'm not in X....12:22
Roeyszal: I can't launch X.12:22
Roeyszal: becuase of the API mismatch between kernel and GL modules.12:22
Roeyszal: I have the kubuntu nvidia kernel module, and the clobbered nvidia commercial GL module.12:22
Roeyszal: I need to replace the GL module now, but I don't knwo which package handles that.12:23
Roeyszal: I installed nvidia-common but the problem persists.12:23
szalthen you might want to try if the script can remove its remainders by running 'nvidia-installer --uninstall' and reboot nonetheless12:23
Roeyah, thanks12:24
BluesKajRoey, i didn't recommend that ppa and I don't think that script is necessart12:24
BluesKajnecessart12:24
BluesKajdamn'12:24
szalheheh12:24
RoeyBluesKaj: hmm ok.12:24
RoeyBluesKaj: well I ran nvidia-installer --uninstall.12:25
szalBluesKaj: as for the script, that was his own idea, and ubuntu-x-swat was my recommendation12:25
Roeyok.12:25
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RoeyI HAD X working as soon as I had successfully blacklisted nouveau at the kernel boot line.  And then I messed it up by running the NVidia installer, which left me with an incomplete install.12:26
BluesKajszal, why did you recommend a ppa when the default module is perfectly fine12:26
Roey(so how do I fix this?)12:26
BluesKajremove the installer .sh script12:26
szalBluesKaj: more current version12:26
RoeyBluesKaj: I did.12:26
zeroxпривет пипл12:26
RoeyBluesKaj: I ran NVIDIA.sh --uninstall12:26
BluesKajnot current szal ppas aren't current12:27
szal!ru | zerox12:27
ubottuzerox: Пожалуйста наберите /join #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке. | Pozhalujsta naberite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke.12:27
szalBluesKaj: how so?12:27
BluesKajtheir unstable in a lot of cases12:27
szalBluesKaj: that doesn't explain your take of 'not current'12:28
Roeynow I Get from startx: nvidia module does not have a nvidiamoduledata object12:28
Roeyand also undefined symbol: miEmptyData12:28
szalRoey: in that case I doubt that you can do much else than reinstall12:29
szalthanks to the nvidia.sh installer12:29
BluesKajszal,current means default12:30
szalBluesKaj: no, current means last version released upstream12:30
szals/last/latest/12:30
Roeyok12:30
Roeyregardless.12:30
Roeynow I have a broken installation.12:30
RoeySo I want to reinstall nvidia GL module.12:31
BluesKajRoey, the gl module will be part of the install, it doen't need a separate install12:31
Roeythat's what I had figured12:31
Roeyso I --reinstalled nvidia-common, but I still have this issue with startx.12:32
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yofelRoey: -current, -common isn't the driver12:33
Roeytrue.12:33
Roeyyofel, szal, blueskaj:  sudo apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-current says that linux gl link group is broken12:35
_Roeyyofel:  hey there.12:37
_Roeyyofel, BluesKaj:  I fixed it by apt-get installing --reinstalling nvidia-current.12:37
_Roeythank yo uso much.12:37
BluesKajok, np Roey ..good luck ,,,try not try too many rhings at once to fix problems12:39
_Roeyaye12:42
_Roeythe only thing now that I'm trying to figure out is why Firefox lost my automatic signins to web sites.12:42
_Roeyit didn't lose the passwords (once I put my username in, it fills the subsequent password field)12:42
_Roeybut.. it should have signed me in with those cached credentials in the first place.  Once I upgraded to Oneiric, that's when I saw this.12:43
TonyBHi there, i would known if anybody has had problems with pulseaudio on kubuntu 11.1012:51
TonyBi had12:51
BluesKajTonyB, sure it's pulse?12:52
TonyBi've just removed it, because it occupied 90% of my cpu12:53
TonyBi've seen with "top" command12:53
BluesKajwow, what's top showing now ?12:54
TonyBall is normal now12:55
TonyBbut, i have to admit, the problem appeared after having installed clementine12:55
TonyBdon't know if the problem is related12:56
TonyBhowever the system now is back to normality, even if the package kubuntu-desktop has some unsatisfied dependencies12:57
TonyB(pulseaudio is a recommended package)12:58
hadiupgrade mode13:00
BluesKajyeah , its default TonyB , I don't like it much , but I need it because alsa doesn't link to webaudio content for some reason with my sound card13:00
BluesKajTonyB,  does flash audio work on youtube for example after removing pulse ?13:01
TonyBsorry for the delay, flash works perfectly13:03
BluesKajok good13:03
TonyBit's strange, the installation is 14 days old, but the problem appeared only yesterday13:04
TonyBhowever,  i have to admit the work done on kde on this 11.10 is very good13:05
TonyBi've never seen a so snappy kde13:05
TonyBit's a piety for some imperfections not-kde related13:06
BluesKajTonyB, yeah they fixed some sizing and root font issues with dolphin and kate , but overall I'm quite happy with 11.1013:07
BluesKajand KDE 4.7.213:07
TonyBand another complaints is plymouth13:07
TonyBtodays works good, tomorrow only god knows13:08
TonyB*today13:08
FlashDeluxehi! i installed kubuntu oneric and got a problem: if i start a program, e.g. firefox it is started in the background. :( what can i do?13:19
TonyBFlashDeluxe: do you *always* have this problem?13:21
TonyBFlashDeluxe: fromt time to time the plasmoid that handles the processes behavies so, it'a well known bug13:22
FlashDeluxeTonyB: yes, always13:23
FlashDeluxeTonyB: Its a fresh system and up to date13:23
TonyBFlashDeluxe: it's strange, here never had this problem13:24
TonyBFlashDeluxe: do you have installed some firefox-plugin-extension recently?13:25
FlashDeluxeTonyB: yes, is that related?!13:26
TonyBFlashDeluxe: maybe, try to delete your .mozilla directory and start firefox, but this way you'll lose all yor settings (bookmarks, password, etc)13:27
TonyBFlashDeluxe: or you could create another user account and log in it13:28
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TonyBFlashDeluxe: is it just Firefox that behaves so, or *all* your starting programs?13:32
oxymoronDoes someone know who fixed Pulseaudios latest changes?13:35
BluesKajoxymoron,  what do you mean ?13:39
TonyBoxymoron: did you have problem with pulseaduio? we were just talking about this...13:39
oxymoronWell, I want to tahnk the person who did :) BluesKaj and TonyB13:40
TonyBoxymoron: thanx, but more ifo please13:41
oxymoronDoes someone know if it is permanent fix? I have experienced problem with audio back and forth since I started using Kubuntu for like 5 years ago.13:41
oxymoronTonyB: I always sometimes got conflicts between backend layers, Phonon and PulseAudio, does not get into corect audio channel etc. if I installed PulseAudio HDMI worked, if I removed it didnt work, bu then regular spekers worked :D13:42
oxymoronSo I had to choose between HDMI or Speakers all the time and remove and install Pulseaudio depending on what I wanted to use.13:43
oxymoronEarlier the problem was ALSA and PulseAudio before Phonon even existed.13:43
oxymoronExactly why it didnt work, programming-wise I have not investigated.13:44
TonyBoxymoron: i think it's the implementation, on ohter distroes it works13:45
oxymoronTonyB: So Backend streamers and Phonon problem/KDE?13:45
oxymoronTonyB: And as far as I know I still manually need to change output channels when connect and disconnect external audio devices, like HDMI.13:46
oxymoronIn Windows, when I plugin HDMI it change to HDMI channel and when unplug go back to speakers again.13:46
eran_How can I set the windows key to open the k menu?13:46
TonyBoxymoron: i think it's a problem of kubuntu, not of kde; it could be a bug of the version used, i didn't check13:46
FlashDeluxeTonyB: ALL programs13:47
TonyBoxymoron: all is IMHO obviously13:47
oxymoronTonyB: alright, well the problem comes up back and forth. I just do not nderstnad, when it works, why does it not work forever after that?13:48
oxymoroneran_: Not sure if its work, but maybe in system-settings.13:48
TonyBFlashDeluxe: so you have the cursor jumping for a while and the app doesn't start?13:49
oxymoronGestures and Shortcuts13:49
eran_oxymoron: I can set a shortcut from the launcher setttings but I can't make it the meta key alone, I need to use another key13:49
TonyBoxymoron: there are many guides on the web to install and set properly pulse, you could try to follow one, even if i did with no success (on kubuntu)13:52
TonyBoxymoron: where does the problems of pulse come from, i don't know, we need a more competent person13:52
TonyBoxymoron: *do13:53
TonyBbye boys13:54
oxymoronif I do not unlock Keyring in KWallet for Kopete when I login, how do I re-enable the password ask in Kopete? i cannot get online again xD13:56
phunyguy_workok folks, quick question, searched google and couldn't find anything recent / useful.  On one of my PCs, I have KRFB running to allow remote connections.  I can connect, and I can move the mouse around, but mouse clicks aren't being recognized so I can't click on anything... any ideas?14:05
phunyguy_worktried from another VNC cleint. and it did the same thing so I think it is server side14:05
FlashDeluxeTonyB: solved it! it was a setting for prevention for active windows14:05
FlashDeluxeTonyB: Thanks for help!14:05
FlashDeluxe@all i got another question, is there a button or something where i can switch between deadkeys and nodeadkeys?14:06
PhilRod_I updated to oneiric and now the kmail composer doesn't do completion from my addressbook in the To: box. Does anyone have any idea what I might need to do?14:22
PhilRod_If I click on "select", all my addresses are there14:22
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bomberHello guys..... I have the newest kubuntu and updated but my time on the task bar shows 4 hours ahead of the real time....... If I wave the mouse over the time it shows the proper time and date..... any idea whats wrong?14:30
jamil_1hi all, after installing playonlinux, I keep getting this error with apt: /var/lib/dpkg/info/playonlinux.postinst: line 4: type: gconf-schemas: not found15:01
genii-aroundKubuntu doesn't use gconf15:02
jamil_1but I am still getting this error.......15:03
genii-aroundjamil_1: Obviously the playonlinux installer doesn't check to see if you have that installed forst before installing itself.15:13
jamil_1genii-around: any workaround ?15:13
jamil_1apart from uninstalling it and reinstalling from repos15:14
BarkingFishAfternoon all :)  I'm in need of a little help here. I have a new wireless card for my PC, a PCI one - which according to the Ubuntu forums, can be run with ndiswrapper.  This end, it's not working whatsoever, I can't use ndiswrapper since it needs a USBID to assign drivers to the device, and it doesn't have a USBID. Help :)15:15
genii-aroundjamil_1: Install package gconf2 , then the gconf-schemas will exist and the post-install hiccup will go away for playonlinux15:16
BarkingFishThe card is based on the Texas Instruments ACX111 chipset, it's a netgear WG311 version 215:16
oratedHey BluesKaj15:19
BluesKajhi orated15:26
oratedIn auto-remove, I get dkms, nvidia-settings, screen-resolution-extra after fixing my last issue. Are they safe to remove?15:27
oratedBluesKaj^15:27
oratedif you remember15:28
BluesKajonly if listed in apt , when you update in the terminal15:30
BluesKajotherwise not15:30
oratedYes, apt-get remove said that15:30
oratedautoremove15:31
oratedI'm unsure about removing dkms and nvidia-settings15:32
suqlin_hi... need live wallpaper, any sugestion15:57
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pviveksince i don't have root access i am not able to create new folders in root16:16
pviveki want to be able to create them temporarily and want to set it back to normal again16:17
pvivek*create permissions16:17
pviveki am getting this error , would be very glad if someone can help me out16:22
pvivekvivek@vivek-System-Product-Name:~$ su16:22
pvivekPassword:16:22
pviveksetgid: Operation not permitted16:22
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GirlyGirlpvivek: use sudo instead16:25
GirlyGirlpvivek: Ubuntu uses sudo not su ... enabling root is unsupported16:25
GirlyGirl!su16:25
ubottusudo is a command to run command-line programs with superuser privileges ("root") (also see !cli). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications see !gksu (GNOME, Xfce), or !kdesudo (KDE). If you're unable to execute commands with sudo see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo16:25
GirlyGirl!root16:25
ubottuDo not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo16:25
pvivekGirlyGirl : $ sudo16:26
pviveksudo: must be setuid root16:26
GirlyGirlpvivek: Is this a fresh install and did you create a new user on this machine?16:26
GirlyGirlpvivek: Also "sudo -i"16:27
pvivekGirlyGirl , ubottu : su and sudo both were working fine till now . I wanted to be able to create new files in root directory which was not allowed by default so i tried changing the permissions , something went wrong so this happened16:27
GirlyGirlpvivek: Does sudo -i prompt you for password?16:28
pvivekGirlyGirl : $ sudo -i16:28
pviveksudo: must be setuid root16:28
ArGGu^^pvivek check the permissions of /usr/bin/sudo with command "ls -l /usr/bin/sudo"16:29
pvivekArGGu^^ : $ ls -l /usr/bin/sudo16:30
pvivek-rwxrwxrwx 2 root root 144508 2011-05-30 11:21 /usr/bin/sudo16:30
ArGGu^^pvivek the permissions are wrong16:34
pviveki did the following commands16:34
pvivekprobably i have messed it up16:34
pvivekhttp://pastebin.com/zTMMiS9s16:34
pvivekArGGu^^ : http://pastebin.com/zTMMiS9s16:35
ArGGu^^you change everything under / to 777 permissions?16:36
pvivekArGGu^^ : I know i was being stupid16:37
pvivekArGGu^^ : a serious of Operations not permitted came.16:37
pvivekArGGu^^ : Now i am not able to open a new browser window or open a new URL . Everything seems to be blocked.16:38
GirlyGirlpvivek: If your volume is not encrypted, boot a live cd and set the permissions right16:39
kamilnadeemHi16:39
ArGGu^^evetyrhing permissions are just wrong, You could fix sudo by bootting to recovery and fix the permissions16:39
pvivekGirlyGirl : Is there no other way other than that?16:40
kamilnadeemI am unable to make a folder or paste anything in the external hd that I formated into ext416:40
ArGGu^^pvivek but you changed permission of everything, reinstall would be faster fix than fix every permission16:40
GirlyGirlpvivek: Techincally you need root access to change permissions back ... try "kdesu konsole"16:40
kamilnadeemwhen using back in time software it says I don't have root permission ?16:41
kamilnadeemalthough a partition of fat32 is working fine16:42
pvivekArGGu^^ , GirlyGirl : $ kdesu konsole16:42
pvivekkdesu: command not found16:42
ArGGu^^kdesudo does not help as it is just a GUI for sudo16:42
sattyhey guys16:42
pvivekArGGu^^ : So is the reinstallation the only solution?16:43
ArGGu^^pvivek if you want to fix thing without reinstall you need to boot to recovery mode16:43
GirlyGirlpvivek: Best reinstall changing file permissions is a really stupid thing to do16:43
GirlyGirlpvivek: You "can" fix it but it will take longer than reinstall16:43
ArGGu^^but you changed permissions of all files16:43
ArGGu^^reinstall just a lot faster16:44
ArGGu^^pvivek why you changed the permissions?16:44
pvivekArGGu^^ : yup with just a command , can't i set everything back with a single command . Oh to do that i need root access . So i can't16:45
GirlyGirlOptions 1) Reinstall  2) Give everything user permission not root (NOTE: Highly insecure but fast method) 3) Manually set permissions as needed (time consuming)16:45
pvivekArGGu^^ : Got it16:45
pvivekArGGu^^ : I know i was damn stupid16:45
ArGGu^^pvivek but why you needed to change the permissions?16:45
ArGGu^^you tried to do something that you could get work or?16:46
pvivekArGGu^^ :Ok here goes the story... This maybe a totally invalid reason but i am a noob with linux so :( . I wanted to install aurora (firefox 9.x alpha version)16:46
pvivekArGGu^^ : I downloaded the tar.gz of aurora16:47
GirlyGirlpvivek: Aurora is not firefox its a webkit browser16:47
ArGGu^^GirlyGirl http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/aurora/16:48
ArGGu^^pvivek there is ppa repository for aurora16:48
ArGGu^^https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/firefox-aurora16:48
pvivekArGGu^^ : I extracted it and got a resulting output folder. I wanted it to run from my terminal16:48
GirlyGirlpvivek: Ah sorry I though of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arora_(web_browser)16:48
pvivekArGGu^^ : So i had to create a link to application by rightclick -> new -> link to application16:49
GirlyGirl!enter | pvivek16:49
ubottupvivek: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line. Don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!16:49
pvivekubottu : sorry16:49
ubottuIt's ok, I am only a bot so I cannot stay mad at you. For apologising to humans though, take a read of http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2009/07/20/on-apologies/16:49
pvivekArGGu^^ : So i thought of pasting the folder of Aurora into /usr/lib16:50
pvivekArGGu^^ : and then creating a link to application in /usr/bin to access the executable aurora from /usr/lib/aurora16:51
pvivekArGGu^^ : But since new was deactivated in root folder. I was checking forums . I found out someone had suggested the command i used. Used it . Crashed my root access :(16:51
ArGGu^^pvivek ok16:53
ArGGu^^but next check if there is ppa repository most apps have16:53
pvivekArGGu^^ : What was the right way to  do what i wanted?16:53
ArGGu^^you add the reposotory then it will replace the current firefox with the aurora16:54
GirlyGirlArGGu^^: It won't replace mozilla rebrands alpha releases for linux so you can have both16:54
pvivekArGGu^^ : other than ppa repository , i mean it must have been possible for me to be able to do what i wanted to like i mean literally create a link to app in root folder . I wanted both firefox and aurora together16:54
GirlyGirlArGGu^^: launching "firefox" will open stable and "aurora" will open alpha16:54
ArGGu^^"sudo apt-add-repository ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-daily/firefox-aurora" and "sudo apt-get update"16:55
ArGGu^^GirlyGirl but the package name is same16:55
GirlyGirlArGGu^^: Not sure then , I know a while back they had alphas called "minefield" and stable called "aurora"16:56
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GirlyGirlBesides package name is not necessarily executable name16:56
pvivekArGGu^^ : i want to make this situation an oppurtunity to learn more about root permissions chown chmod and stuff16:56
Guest30943how to I install java, such as to play runescape?16:57
ArGGu^^GirlyGirl no but you can't install two packages with same name16:57
Guest30943I loaded firefox, but when I click 'install missing plugin' nothing comes up16:57
GirlyGirlGuest30943: What plugin is this Flash? JRE?16:58
pvivekGirlyGirl : So i changed the extracted folder name from firefox to aurora and also the contents of it from firefox to aurora and firefox-bin to aurora-bin making it ready to be copied to /usr/lib and /usr/bin (executable) respectively . KBOOM16:58
Guest30943GirlyGirl: I'm wanting to get icedtea, whatever its called, to use java stuff16:59
ArGGu^^pvivek but any it is binary so why not just extract it some where in you home and run it from there?17:00
ArGGu^^*but anyway17:00
Guest30943and I just tried flash, it doesn't work either. I have already installed 'kubuntu-restricted-extras' so I don't know why it won't work17:00
GirlyGirlpvivek: You know you could have changed permissions with dolphin its safer and more straightforwar especiallly for a novice17:01
pvivekGirlyGirl : I didn't know that :(17:02
pvivekhow to do it?17:02
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ArGGu^^Guest16461 icedtead-plugin is the openjdk java plugin17:03
GirlyGirlpvivek: Roght click the file/folder properties17:03
GirlyGirlpvivek: Same in WIndows explorer and all file managers17:03
ArGGu^^Guest11753 if it does not work you can install the sun java17:03
Guest30943ArGGu^^: thanks, hopefully that'll work17:03
phunyguy_workthere is a third party repo out there for the Oracle JDK package17:03
phunyguy_workinstalls the plugin and everything17:04
phunyguy_worki had issues with icedtea and openjdk17:04
pvivekGirlyGirl : thanks.17:04
ArGGu^^Guest11753 if I remeber correctly the sun java is in the canonical partners repositories17:04
phunyguy_workArGGu^^: Oracle**  :)17:04
yofel_ArGGu^^: not anymore, but someone still has packages17:04
Guest30943ArGGu^^: well, whenever I typed 'java' or 'sun java' into muon software center/package manager, nothing came up17:05
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GirlyGirlphunyguy_work: Its in the repos17:05
phunyguy_workI found it in a very basic google search17:05
yofelGuest30943: applications -> system -> package manager17:05
yofelsearch there for icedtea17:05
GirlyGirlWhy not openjdk-6-jre17:05
Guest30943yofel: I tried that =P it wasn't in there17:05
GirlyGirlGuest30943: Search for "openjdk-6-jre"17:06
yofelGirlyGirl: that's the JRE, not the browser plugin17:06
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yofel(at least packaging wise)17:06
LinkmasterI'm fixing up a computer for a friend, forgot that it wasn't on autoidentify17:06
yofelLinkmaster: put your nickserv password as server password, that'll auto-identify right at connect17:07
LinkmasterI don't need my bud using my name for IRC, if he ever starts using it17:07
yofelah, you're on his system17:08
Linkmasteryes. and its very strange..beautiful install, not a problem(like internet worked out of the box, very nice) its just flash/java thats being the pain17:08
yofelhm17:09
yofel!info icedtea-plugin17:09
ubottuicedtea-plugin (source: icedtea-web): web browser plugin based on OpenJDK and IcedTea to execute Java applets. In component main, is extra. Version 1.1.3-1ubuntu1 (oneiric), package size 191 kB, installed size 408 kB17:09
yofelit's there...17:09
Linkmastericedtea-plugin worked on the terminal, its bringing in quite a large number of packages, but I think it'll work17:10
BluesKajBBL ...stuff to do17:21
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Linkmasteryofel: no luck17:40
yofelLinkmaster: hm, what are you trying to get to work?17:41
Linkmasterand niether sun java nor flash show up in muon package manager17:41
yofelsun java isn't in the archive anymore17:42
Linkmasterso...how do I get java/flash then??17:42
yofelbut flash should show up. Preferably use 'adobe-flashplugin' from partner17:42
Linkmastercommand prompt is perfectly fine, in fact, preferable17:42
yofelLinkmaster: openjdk for java?17:42
LinkmasterThe moment I type 'adobe' everything disappears17:43
yofelLinkmaster: did you enable partner?17:43
Linkmasteri believe so17:43
yofelwell, what does apt-cache policy adobe-flashplugin say?17:43
Linkmasteryofel: it wasn't, which is probably why its being screwy with me. I need to depart, I shall inform you of my progress(this should fix it though)17:44
phunyguy_workOK So I have an issue with KRFB and it not updating the display when I connect.  So i tried x11vnc, and that looks ok, but I can't get the screen to stop blanking (screensaver wont stay gone).  Any help?17:51
phunyguy_workThanks in advance17:51
phunyguy_workKubuntu 11.10 fwiw17:51
sercikhi! it is possible fo fix mbr using linux live cd?18:06
serciki need to remove grub2 and put standard windows vista code18:06
Peace-!grub218:07
ubottuGRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10)18:07
genii-aroundsercik: It's not possible to install the Windows bootloader from the Kubuntu livecd. You need your Windows cd for that.18:09
oxymoronIs it possible to make grub2 look beautiful on bootup?18:17
OerHeksoxymoron, i never see grub2 when booting, but if you want to fancy grub, look at burg, easy to adjust18:20
OerHekshttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Burg18:21
oxymoronOerHeks: I am not sure, maybe I do not use grub2. i have 1.97, grub2 is 1.99 something. I just want the bootprocess to look nice, not heavy graphics, but look clean and nice. Then no text messages at all from grub or the distro.18:22
yofeloxymoron: grub 1.X is grub2, grub1 was 0.X18:23
yofeland it's set to be invisible by default if you only have 1 OS18:24
oxymoronyofel: In package manager it says I have grub and not grub2. Difference, 1.97 and 1.9918:24
oxymoronyofel: I have two OS:es, but grub thinks I have one because my distro is installed inside Windows.18:24
OerHeksoh, then this help does not apply > http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/grub-2.html18:24
yofeloxymoron: you should have grub-pc, which is 1.9918:26
yofelgrub is 0.9718:26
oxymoronI want vector fonts and not pixelated text for kernels etc in the list and not all version numbers and weird stuff. Then maybe some nice colors.18:26
phunyguy_workIs there anyone here that can potentially help me with a KTorrent question? (Using for legal downloads fwiw), I am using the Scan Folders plugin, and having it recursively search the scan directory for torrent files.  On one client it works properly by downloading to the same folder it found the .torrent in, and on the other (same settings, OS, version, etc), it downloads to ~/18:28
NToleranceIs there a good place to get deb packages for plasmoids not in the official repos?  I'm looking for the STDIN and Socket Sentry plasmoids but I'm not able to find debs on Launchpad.18:38
adarshajoisawhat command(s) can i use to get the process that's locking a file?18:49
pteague_workis there some new trick to opening files in kate via sftp? oneiric seems to make kate eat cpu18:49
NToleranceadarshajoisa: lsof18:49
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adarshajoisaNTolerance: thanks!18:52
Linkmasteryofel: no luck :l18:56
yofelo.O18:56
Linkmasterflash, java, nothing shows up/works. I don't particularly want to download from the sites, though it appears I'll have to18:56
BluesKajLinkmaster, kubuntu-restricted-extras18:58
LinkmasterBluesKaj: that was the first thing I installed =P18:58
yofelLinkmaster: which browser?18:58
Linkmasterrekonq *and* firefox18:59
kamilnadeemHi19:00
yofelLinkmaster: amd64/i386? oneiric?19:01
kamilnadeemI have just done a fresh install of Kubuntu 11.10 and updated it and when checking kde version it says 4.7.2 , has it been released officially?19:02
kamilnadeemHi yofel19:02
kamilnadeembrb19:02
Linkmasteryofel: 11.10 i38619:02
yofel4.7.2 is out - 4.7.3 next week19:02
yofelLinkmaster: hm, I'm on amd64, but flash should still work...19:03
Linkmasteryofel: I know, and I'm getting slightly frustrated by it. the kid wanted windows, but I couldn't find my CD, so he was like "install linux then" and so I did, he thinks it looks amazing, but the flash/java problem is...well, a problem19:03
yofelLinkmaster: about:plugins really doesn't show flash or java?19:04
BluesKajadobe has finally dev'd a real 64bit flash , not a 32bit that runs in a wrapper19:04
yofelyeah, but for him it doesn't work on 32bit...19:05
BluesKajwow , that's strange19:05
BluesKajLinkmaster, what does Muon have listed as installed if you type flash19:06
LinkmasterBluesKaj: muon acts retarded, and displays nothing at all19:07
LinkmasterBluesKaj: wait...the software center might be working, give me a bit to monkey around with it19:09
kamilnadeemI am back19:12
yofelsomething's wrong with the search indeed o.O19:12
taganaiwhat19:12
kamilnadeemso yofel do I add the kubuntu ppa to get 4.319:12
yofelthe SC showed me some results for a few seconds and then just cleared the list19:12
yofelkamilnadeem: 4.7.3 isn't out yet19:12
yofelbut it'll get into the PPA when it's out19:12
taganaiой ..куда то я нитуда попал19:13
yofel!ru19:13
ubottuПожалуйста наберите /join #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке. | Pozhalujsta naberite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke.19:13
kamilnadeemok so now no need of adding this ppa sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa right?19:13
yofelnot until next week19:13
taganaijoin#ubuntu -ru19:13
kamilnadeemok19:13
kamilnadeemyofel how turn num lock on on every startup19:14
taganaiyofel yes im ru19:14
yofelkamilnadeem: system settings -> input devices19:15
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kamilnadeemok , and what was the thing to install to get the preview of video files in  dolphin?19:15
Linkmasterand....muon froze19:16
LinkmasterWell, "froze". it still works responds, its just not doing anything19:16
LinkmasterWell, "froze". it still works responds, its just not doing anything19:16
BluesKajLinkmaster, mozilla-plugin-vlc .. I use synaptic , muon is klunky19:17
yofelmuon works for me, the SC is klunky19:17
kamilnadeemyes muon works fine for my self too19:18
BluesKajinstall synaptic in the terminal , so what if it brings some gtklibs along ...it still works well19:18
taganaihi all ... one more question on this chat people talk only of Kubuntu?19:19
kamilnadeemhave to leave for now , bye everyone19:19
Linkmasteryofel: flash and stuff shows up now in the package manager...things are so wierd at the moment19:23
BluesKaj Linkmaster , about:plugins in yoiur browser19:27
alexdevillxOMG they tortued it!!! NYAAAAN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUgX4JjhkiY&feature=related19:32
alexdevillxOk, how to play video in terminal19:32
Deet`does LinCity no longer work for kde4?19:33
JustinasLelysfrom terminal you just can to launch video player that plays video19:34
Deet`also: is there any way to get the old pachage manager back? where you can browse the catagories and such?19:34
Deet`package*19:34
alexdevillxhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t1rMw3WCUM19:35
yofelDeet`: install 'apper'19:40
Linkmasteryofel: flash now works, java doesn't...I'll figure it out I think19:40
yofelLinkmaster: what do you need java for?19:41
Linkmastermy friend wants to play runescape19:41
BluesKajtell to go outside and haul some rocks around :)19:43
Linkmasterhahah, he's got an addiction, and wondering outside won't help him19:44
Mark_Hi Girls19:44
yofelhm, but java shows up in about:plugins?19:44
Linkmasterlet me see19:44
Linkmasterwait, yeah it does. I went to 'tools -> addons -> plugins' and its in there19:45
TheEvilPhoenixMark_:  wrong network19:45
yofelLinkmaster: if the game still doesn't work then it probably needs the one from oracle19:46
TheEvilPhoenix^19:46
TheEvilPhoenixyofel:  whats the oracle java package name?19:46
Linkmasteryofel: yeah, thats probably the case19:46
TheEvilPhoenixis it still java-sun6-blah?19:46
alexdevillxwhat?19:47
yofeltrying to find the PPA as it's not in partner anymore19:47
yofelLinkmaster: http://askubuntu.com/questions/52154/how-do-i-install-the-latest-version-of-sun-java19:49
Linkmasteryofel: thanks19:49
yofelTheEvilPhoenix: for those packages that still exist it's indeed sun-java6-*19:49
yofelalthough they're unsupported now19:50
TheEvilPhoenixyofel:  in 11.04?19:50
yofelin 11.1019:51
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TheEvilPhoenixwhat about 11.04?19:52
* TheEvilPhoenix hasnt upgraded yet :P19:52
yofelstill in partner19:52
MamarokMark_: you should really behave, sending PMs without asking is very impolite. This is a warning!19:53
Mark_ok19:53
Mark_let's to the second warning?19:54
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vivimoriciao20:04
alexdevillxI'm gonna do linux! SUDOOO20:04
alexdevillxOk, how to caca and view video in terminal20:05
alexdevillxlike in ssh20:05
BarkingFishHi guys. I asked earlier in here about this, and got disconnected before i got a reply.  I have a new wireless PCI card for my PC, but it has a weird chipset and I don't have drivers in-kernel for it.  I can't do it through ndiswrapper, as it doesn't have a usb ident that I can see. Anyone got ideas on the driver I need please?20:17
BarkingFishThe card is a Netgear WG311 Version 2, running the Texas Instruments ACX111 chipset20:17
genii-aroundBarkingFish: What vendor-device code does it have?  eg: the [XXXX:XXX]  result of lspci -nn20:28
al-maisanIs there a way to filter "has (quit|joined)" messages in quassel?20:28
BarkingFishhold on a sec, genii-around - I'll get that for you.20:28
BarkingFishgenii-around, 104c:906620:30
BarkingFish03:04.0 Network controller [0280]: Texas Instruments ACX 111 54Mbps Wireless Interface20:30
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Euathlushey guys who has better compatibility with kubuntu, intel atom (new cedar trail) or amd with c-60? And does Kubuntu support HDMI?20:33
al-maisan /msg NickServ identify WryrowEwd_ovMyp520:37
fumblnoobHow would one go about re-installing audio drivers?  I tried to install a driver direct from realtek and it's now completely hosed.20:39
genii-aroundBarkingFish: Apparently somewhere around Jaunty the driver was dropped from Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/42827620:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 428276 in Ubuntu "wifi card not recognized in ubuntu 9.10 karmic koala" [Undecided,Invalid]20:40
genii-aroundBarkingFish: You could try with ndiswrapper if you have the Windows drivers handy20:42
JustinasLelysHello, if I have KDE 4.7.2 from backports, is there any reason to upgrade to Kubuntu 11.10?20:43
BarkingFishgenii-around, I was always under the impression you couldn't use ndiswrapper on PCI devices, I thought that was for USB only :)20:44
BarkingFishIf I can use ndiswrapper with that code, I may as well give it a shot20:44
BarkingFishi just have to find the drivers :)20:44
BarkingFishi'm gonna drop off, see you in a while20:46
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vehemothI recall seeing something about a special way to view more information about kde proecesses, any ideas what it was?21:09
genii-aroundvehemoth: Not offhand. But if you use ksysguard, you can right-click on any process and look at the detailed memory information21:14
vehemothgenii-around: I think it was to do with seeing kde processes that you couldn't see normally as they run under some daemon or something21:26
vehemothI think it was also an option of two command line tools21:26
genii-aroundvehemoth: Ah, no idea then, sorry.21:27
vehemothgenii-around: It's just a tad anoyying that I can't remember what I was reading, but thanks for the help21:28
RandomRogerDoes anyone know how to switch the clock on the panel to 12 hour display ?21:32
vehemothanybody know how those docks tell kwin to minimize the window?21:33
yofelRandomRoger:system settings -> locale -> date and time21:43
yofelgo to time format and read the tooltip21:43
BarkingFishyofel, I'm glad you posted that, I've been trying to do that for ages. I just followed the tooltip, and my time hasn't changed.21:49
BarkingFishI'm now set pH:MM:SS AMPM - but my clock is still showing 24H21:49
yofellogout maybe, I know it didn't change immediately either when I tried ti21:49
BarkingFishok, give me a sec and I'll brb21:49
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Linkmasteryo21:51
Linkmaster* yofel: I still get the "install missing plugin" or a grey screen still21:52
yofelinstalled sun java?21:52
Linkmasteryofel: yes21:52
yofelremoved icedtea?21:52
Linkmasterno, let me try that21:52
BarkingFishThat got it yofel. I'm running in 12h format now :)21:52
BarkingFishmy click is now displaying like my old digital watch, 10:52 P21:53
Linkmasteryofel: it works now. I chucked the icedtea/openJDK* off the system, thanks! I completely forgot about removing it21:55
vehemothhow do I skip an argument in qdbus (Qstring etc.)22:00
hexacodehey you guys. how do i fix broken pipes? and why do they break?   the way im using them is as follows "mkfifo logpipe" "tail -f logpipe" tail -f access.log access.log.1 >> logpipe"22:03
vehemothshouldn't you have | between each command?22:04
vehemotheg. mkfifo logpipe | tail -f logpipe | tail -f access.llog access.log.q >> logpipe22:06
natmananyone have any issues with muon and update icons?22:07
natmananyone have any issues with muon and update icons?22:22
Wensley...oh crap, in order to compile the driver for my wireless card, I need to download make22:23
TheEvilPhoenix ubuntu-dev-tools perhaps?22:25
TheEvilPhoenix:P22:25
KimLarouxmake doesn't come default with Ubuntu anymore?22:26
sithlord48you need to install build-essental package.22:26
sithlord48kubuntu is not ubuntu...22:26
TheEvilPhoenixsithlord48:  ubuntu-dev-tools iirc has makke in it22:26
TheEvilPhoenixall cli tools22:26
TheEvilPhoenixiirc, its in the repos :/22:26
sithlord48that might be so but you want to install the build-essental package. it will get you all the essental stuff for building22:27
TheEvilPhoenix^22:28
hexacodehey you guys. how do i fix broken pipes? and why do they break?   the way im using them is as follows "mkfifo logpipe" "tail -f logpipe" tail -f access.log access.log.1 >> logpipe"22:28
sithlord48it might even pull the ubuntu-dev-tools package.22:28
vehemothhexacode: does this not work? mkfifo logpipe | tail -f logpipe | tail -f access.log access.log.q >> logpipe22:29
hexacodevehemoth: thats a bit confusing22:30
hexacodei dont get that first part mkfifo logpipe | tail -f logpipe22:31
hexacodewhat are you piping into tail -f ?22:31
vehemothhexacode:well I dont get your command, try this cat test.txt | grep text22:32
hexacodeah let me explain22:32
hexacodemy apache logs, access.log and access.log1  are constantly being written to by apache. they are growing22:33
vehemothcat reads the file and pipes it into grep which echo's any lines containing 'text'22:33
hexacodeso if i did cat, it would only give me a moment snapshot22:33
hexacodebut22:33
vehemothhexacode: it was just an example22:33
hexacodewell the pipe is dead22:34
hexacodei dont know why22:34
hexacodeit has died twice on me22:34
hexacodeit worked like all day then died22:34
natmani dont get any update icon from Muon, after my fresh install of kubuntu 11.10 - any ideas?22:34
vehemothhexacode: okay now I see what mkfifo does, I just use | to pipe it but I'm assuming there's a reason you are using mkfifo. if so then I suggest asking in #bash as you will likely get better help than I can provide22:36
hexacodehey thanks for trying though22:37
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bubu_help23:34
bubu_:)23:34
bubu_#help23:34
bubu_.help23:34
Wensleyoh ugh, my wireless card manufacturer only supplies drivers for linux kernel 2.6... what are the odds of that driver still working on 3.0?23:55

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