[00:04] <Wensley> Daskreech: thanks
[00:06] <Wensley> also, I'm having a hard time finding the md5 of kubuntu-11.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[00:06] <Wensley> the UbuntuHashes page (which is where you end up if you follow the kubuntu install instructions) doesn't even have a section for 11.10
[00:07] <Daskreech> Wensley: Look on the cdimages.ubuntu.com site. Under Kubuntu of course
[00:07] <Daskreech>  there is a MD5SUMS file
[00:08] <Wensley> oh, is it listed as kubuntu-11.10-desktop-amd64+mac.iso ?
[00:09] <Wensley> asking because my md5 doesn't match up with any of those on that page
[00:10] <Daskreech> Wensley: Might be the wrong one then?
[00:11] <Wensley> this is the one that I got from www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download , with the 64-bit dropdown
[00:15] <Daskreech> Wensley: What' the md5sum that you get?
[00:17] <Daskreech> Wensley: run a sha1sum on it as well
[00:18] <hexacode> hey you guys. im learning about databases and i realize how useful they are...im even considering using databases as backends to some of my security scripts...thing is.. what if i need to use my scripts on a computer that doesnt have net access and i cant connect to my mysql database?  is ther such thing as a packaged database? that you can package together with a program ?
[00:18] <hexacode> and carry it wherever u go
[00:18] <hexacode> and connect to it?
[00:20] <Wensley> Daskreech: md5: 8d9b77938d230690fe0d9785c0425c09   I've downloaded it on my windows machine, and I don't think that sha1sum comes with msys...
[00:20] <Daskreech> Wensley: it doesn't
[00:27] <Daskreech> Wensley: how did you download it?
[00:27] <Wensley> http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download , choose the "64 bit" dropdown option, clicked "Begin download"
[00:28] <Wensley> just downloaded a fresh copy and the hash is the same, so I'm guessing it's not corrupted... but I have to head out for a while, unfortunately
[00:30] <Daskreech> Wensley: ok
[01:26] <_Roey> haaa
[01:26] <_Roey> hi
[01:26] <MostEvilRoey> hey all
[01:27] <MostEvilRoey> How do I blacklist nouveau so that I can install the nvidia proprietary drivers?
[01:46] <Roey> yo how do I blacklist nouveau??? this shit keeps waking up from the dead like zombie jesus.
[01:46] <Roey> I am trying to install the proprietary NVidia drivers.
[01:46] <Roey> but this module is always in use and I can't seem to get rid of it using rmmod.
[01:47] <Roey> Daskreech: hola
[01:47] <Roey> hey runnoc
[01:49] <Daskreech> Roey: Hi
[01:50] <szal> Roey: installing nvidia should automagically blacklist nouveau
[01:50] <Roey> yeah? it doesn'.t
[01:50] <Roey> wtf.  every time I do-dist-upgrade, I have to hassle with my system.  Every single fucking time.
[01:51] <Roey> and it always takes a day or two.
[01:51] <szal> !language
[01:51] <phiscribe> so does most of the world i think Roey
[01:51] <Roey> nvidia is already installed.
[01:51] <phiscribe> i can graph the happiness of my life on a chart based on how many times ive opend xorg.conf
[01:51] <Roey> this is *insane*.
[01:51] <Roey> anyway, so my nvidia drivers are already installed, it seems.
[01:52] <phiscribe> but, im getting ready to clean install 11.10, even though it took me days to get 11.04 stableized, gonna but kubuntu on one system and lubuntu on three others maybe 4
[01:52]  * szal hasn't had to fiddle w/ much of anything after do-release-upgrade
[01:52] <phiscribe> put that is
[01:53] <Roey> szal: get an effing nvidia card and start feeling the pain.
[01:53] <Roey> phiscribe: it's painful.
[01:53]  * szal has a GT240
[01:53] <Roey> I have a GT260.
[01:53] <Roey> why did it mess up my video on reboot after I upgraded????
[01:53] <Roey> ugh.
[01:53] <Roey> anyway... so I want to make sure nvidia is installed correctly
[01:54] <Roey> but in order to do that, I have to blacklist nouveau
[01:54] <Roey> but inorder to blacklist nouveau, I should uninstall nvidia.
[01:54] <Roey> ....?
[01:54] <phiscribe> these later releases (any flavor linux) realy dont like it when you mix say a lcd monitor with an anolog cable, gets the eddid data bumfuzzled and starts tht hold your hand failsafe bullet proff x crapola dummy it down so know body can floow and your chasing down xorgs that may or not be used
[01:56] <phiscribe> i got nvidia too, im gonna install the restict4ed drivers as soon as i wipe 11.04, getting ready to soon
[01:56] <Roey> I tried that.
[01:56] <Roey> I couldn't.
[01:56] <Roey> it's because I coudln't load the systme without nouveau autmatically loading.
[01:56] <phiscribe> Xorg -configure from terminal
[01:56] <Roey> and then the install script complains.
[01:56] <phiscribe> with X dead
[01:56] <Roey> that nouveau is alrady there, so it just fails.
[01:57] <Roey> phiscribe: ok, what does that do, functionally?
[01:57] <Roey> like, the system /boots/ with nouveau kernel module loaded.
[01:57] <phiscribe> generates a xorg.conf.new file
[01:57] <Roey> that's not what I need
[01:57] <Roey> I need to get nouveau to not load on boot.
[01:57] <phiscribe> sometimes you have to move it to xorg.conf in the proper place
[01:57] <Roey> but this is not about the xorg module
[01:57] <Roey> this is the kernel module I'm talking about
[01:58] <szal> Roey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/721240/ <- /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf
[01:58] <phiscribe> im not 100 percent sure they have so manyauto configure scripts that well fail and tryto build xorg.conf for you, now days xorg.conf is barely used or used diffrenlty i cant follow the hops iot all jumps through to hold your hand
[01:58] <Roey> that'd be great if I had x running and could see thatp age ;)
[01:59] <phiscribe> they try to automate this stuff for "dummies" but knowbody can right a script that allows for all possibliities
[01:59] <szal> Roey: ever heard of links2 or w3m? ;)
[01:59] <Roey> szal: and yes, it's already there, and it blacklists nvidia and abunch of other modules.
[01:59] <Roey> szal: I've looked at example nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf files before.  I know it blacklists nouveau.  Mine does too.
[01:59] <Roey> szal: doesn't help much, since nouveau isstill loaded at startup.
[01:59] <szal> Roey: how do you know?
[02:00] <phiscribe> were does kubuntu put the wallpapers so i can save them before i wipe 11.04 off themap?
[02:00] <Roey> how do I knowwhat?
[02:00] <szal> that nouveau is loaded
[02:01] <Roey> lsmod | grep nouveau
[02:02] <szal> you have 'nomodeset' as a boot option?
[02:02] <Roey> that I am not sure of.
[02:02] <Roey> Should I?
[02:02] <Roey> what does it do?
[02:02] <szal> afaik, yes
[02:02] <Squidy> hi there.. I'm running kubuntu 11.10.. almost all is ok.. however, I'm having some issues with sound... the event sound of the system is ok.. but when I try to run a video using vlc I get no sound
[02:02] <phiscribe> mode is a paramater used on boot to set the rsoluiton of the logon screen
[02:02] <szal> KMS doesn't work, or at least not properly, w/ the nvidia driver, but afaik it does w/ nouveau
[02:03] <Roey> ah.
[02:03] <szal> so if you have KMS enabled (by not having 'nomodeset'), nouveau is loaded as one of the 1st things
[02:03] <Roey> whatever. when I boot with the nouveau driver, the logon screen is meesed up anyway.
[02:03] <phiscribe> but just the logon, not the x sexxion
[02:04] <Squidy> In the device preference > Music/Video... I have PulseAudio Sound Server.. is it ok?!
[02:04] <phiscribe> setting the mode for vga only efefects the logon screen not the X server
[02:04] <phiscribe> i think
[02:04] <Squidy> may you help me?
[02:04] <Roey> hmm
[02:04] <Roey> ok
[02:04] <phiscribe> like the grub menu
[02:04] <Roey> grub.cfg does list nomodeset there.
[02:04] <szal> Squidy: Pulse is default, so yes
[02:04] <Roey> fuck pulseaudio grrrrrrrrRRR that's cuased me a grat deal of consternation right there.
[02:04] <Roey> brb.
[02:04] <szal> Roey: then put that in /etc/default/grub & run 'sudo update-grub'
[02:05] <Squidy> szal: but what's happening,
[02:05] <phiscribe> szal-  nuke the .pulse folder and reboot (id do it but deleting stuff makes some ppl squirmy)
[02:05] <Squidy> :(
[02:06] <szal> Squidy: does it play or doesn't it?
[02:06] <Squidy> szal: the video is ok but its sound
[02:07] <szal> Squidy: if it plays, then check 'Playback streams' in the mixer & put the output on another device
[02:07] <phiscribe> ok here goes 11.10 install, hopefully the worst of the bugs are straightened out by now bbiab
[02:08] <phiscribe> for theose wih sound problems, deleteing puslaudio's configureation file and rebooting (forcing a fresh configuration to be crated) works wonders for some, maybe not you, but its a good shot
[02:18] <Roey> hi
[02:18] <Roey> hi
[02:18] <Roey> so... I removed nomodeset from grub.cfg
[02:18] <Roey> but.... novueau still pops back up on bootup!!!!!
[02:18] <Roey> arghhhhhhhhhhhhh
[02:18] <Roey> I want the systme to boot up without the nouveau driver loaded.
[02:18] <Roey> can I do that?
[02:20] <cleaninstall> the mode has nothing to do with X nada
[02:20] <Roey> ok
[02:20] <Roey> I meant the nouveau kernel driver.
[02:20] <cleaninstall> its pre X like those old vga video games
[02:20] <Roey> I want to install the nvidia drivers.  When I try running NVIDIA.sh, it compalins of the nouveau driver being loaded and therefore it fails.
[02:21] <Roey> so I've been trying all these ways to blacklist this fucking thking from startup.
[02:21] <Roey> I looked at /etc/modprobe.d/...
[02:21] <Roey> and blacklisted it there in blacklist.conf
[02:21] <cleaninstall> i can never get much out of those nouveau drivers, if your not worried about using closed source, shoot for the proprietary nvida drivers and not the free ones
[02:21] <Roey> yet... these stupid thing keeps coming back.
[02:21] <Roey> GRRRRRRRRR
[02:22] <Roey> cleaninstall: dude, I've been trying to install the proprietary ones for a day now.
[02:22] <cleaninstall> run the nvidia installer it pushes the free drivers away
[02:22] <Roey> cleaninstall: it won't install because it complains that nouveau is loaded.
[02:22] <Roey> cleaninstall: it compalins and fails.
[02:22] <cleaninstall> do it out of X
[02:23] <Roey> cleaninstall:  I am out of X.
[02:23] <Roey> cleaninstall:  does grub load nouveau???
[02:23] <cleaninstall> well im getting ready to reboot and im sure im gonna have the same problem,
[02:23] <Roey> you will.
[02:24] <cleaninstall> no kdm probably does, if you see anything but a terminal you are in X
[02:24] <Roey> fuck this.  Every single fucking time I do-release-upgrade, I get shit.
[02:24] <cleaninstall> one window X
[02:24] <Roey> cleaninstall: hgmm, you're right, kdm is running in the background.
[02:24] <Roey> which runlevel boots without x?
[02:25] <moetunes> !language | Roey
[02:25] <cleaninstall> outside of X is no gui  no windows nothing but a prompt
[02:25] <Roey> not right.
[02:25] <Roey> er,
[02:25] <Roey> right.
[02:25] <Roey> that's where I am now.
[02:25] <FloodBotK2> Roey: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:25] <FloodBotK1> Roey: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:25] <Roey> FloodBotK1: I will kill you, bot.
[02:25] <cleaninstall> what irc cliet do you have
[02:26] <Roey> cleaninstall: irssi.
[02:26] <Roey> outside of X.
[02:26] <cleaninstall> let me check the commands
[02:26] <Roey> otherwise, xchat.
[02:26] <Roey> ok
[02:26] <cleaninstall> but kdm shouldnt be running, i thought
[02:26] <Roey> me too.
[02:26] <Roey> maybe there is a runlevel that I can boot at withotu x
[02:26] <Roey> ?
[02:27] <Roey> in Debian it is rl2
[02:27] <Roey> but kubuntu by defaults load at rl2
[02:27] <cleaninstall> sudo apt-get install nvidia-current  maybe
[02:27] <cleaninstall> then sudo nvidia-xconfig  maybe
[02:28] <Roey> it's alrady installed :P
[02:28] <Roey> ok
[02:28] <Roey> the issue isn't x
[02:28] <Roey> it's before x loads.
[02:28] <Roey> it's the nouveau driver.
[02:28] <Roey> I need it dead.
[02:28] <Roey> now.
[02:28] <FloodBotK1> Roey: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:28] <FloodBotK2> Roey: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:29] <cleaninstall> the noveau dirvers are X drivers they load with X
[02:29] <Roey> NO.
[02:29] <moetunes> !kms
[02:29] <Roey> the Noveau kernel module loads.
[02:29] <Roey> nothing to do with x.
[02:29] <cleaninstall> The Nouveau driver suite consists of three major parts: the kernel modules (DRM), the X driver (DDX), and the 3D driver (in Mesa, optional). In addition, libdrm with Nouveau support is required.
[02:29] <cleaninstall> ALL X components
[02:30] <Roey> I've tried to apt-get5 remove the libdrm package, but then apt-get gives a long list of packages dependant on it
[02:30] <Roey> *apt-get remove
[02:30] <cleaninstall> have you installed the restircted packages?
[02:31] <Roey> er
[02:31] <Roey> hrm
[02:31] <Roey> could they have been disabled at do-release-upgrade time?
[02:31] <cleaninstall> restricted packages on open source projects are 100% always disabled
[02:31] <Roey> I see them listed in /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:32] <Roey> so yes those statements are there.
[02:32] <Roey> what next?
[02:32] <cleaninstall> sudo apt-get install nvidia-current
[02:32] <Roey> it's already the newest version.
[02:33] <Roey> (I'd paste it here but I am not in X)
[02:33] <cleaninstall> ystem – > Administration -> Nvidia X server Settings
[02:33] <cleaninstall> System that is
[02:33] <Roey> that'd be grat if I could get to x.
[02:33] <Roey> *great.
[02:34] <cleaninstall> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[02:34] <Roey> already newest version.
[02:34] <Roey> same message.
[02:34] <cleaninstall> try Xorg -configure
[02:35] <cleaninstall> or sudo Xorg -configure
[02:35] <Roey> it complains that it can't load nvidia drivers.
[02:35] <Roey> what's the point of configuring X when we're trying to remove the DRM nouveau modules??
[02:35] <cleaninstall> apt-cache search nvidia
[02:36] <Roey> ok look...
[02:36] <Roey> it says nvidia-current isalready installed.
[02:36] <Roey> anda a bunch of other nvidia modules.
[02:36] <Roey> yet I don't have an 'nv' module to load.
[02:36] <cleaninstall> what about nvidia-settings-updates
[02:37] <cleaninstall> is that installed
[02:37] <Roey> same thing, already newest version.
[02:38] <cleaninstall> reboot
[02:38] <cleaninstall> cross fingers
[02:38] <Roey> argh
[02:38] <Roey> I've rebooted ten times already.
[02:38] <Roey> Same thing.
[02:38] <cleaninstall> try the failsafe boot
[02:38] <cleaninstall> session
[02:38] <Roey> ah... true
[02:38] <Roey> one sec.
[02:38] <Roey> will do, thanks!
[02:38] <Roey> brb
[02:38] <FloodBotK2> Roey: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:38] <FloodBotK1> Roey: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:39] <cleaninstall> hehe some people type like they talk
[02:45] <Roey> cleaninstall: no go.
[02:45] <Roey> I tried rebooting and dropping to root at the boot menu, but nouveau kernel module is still loaded.
[02:46] <Roey> cleaninstall: I tried rebooting to a 2.6.38 kernel, and there too the nouveau kernel module is still loaded.
[02:46] <Roey> cleaninstall: don't reboot. ever.
[02:46] <Roey> cleaninstall: save yourself the hassle, wait till this shit gets fixed in upstream.
[02:46] <Roey> god FUCK it what a waste of time this has been.
[02:46] <Roey> *spit*.
[02:46] <cleaninstall> well i just put 11.10 on here and i got my finger on reboot, ill brb, maybe, dont know roey i got a nvidia card, and here i go, maybe ill learn something, i got two machines up behind me, one installing lubunutu, ill be in an out, ill be phiscribe most likley
[02:46] <Roey> ok
[02:47] <Roey> ah ok you're phiscribe
[02:51] <Roey> cleaninstall: hey!
[02:51] <Roey> so?
[02:51] <cleaninstall> well i got X one monitor dead, using nv (noveau)
[02:51] <Roey> quassel, eh? so it worked?
[02:52] <Roey> how did you get nv loaded?
[02:52] <Roey> did you do release upgrade or clean install?
[02:52] <cleaninstall> i did clean
[02:52] <Roey> oh... see I did a release-upgrade.
[02:52] <cleaninstall> didnt trust the upgrade as ive watched the bug parade
[02:52] <Roey> yeah, I did the upgrade.
[02:52] <cleaninstall> so dude u cant get x at all?
[02:52] <Roey> should I just install clean?
[02:52] <Roey> nope.
[02:52] <Roey> I mean I did under nouveau
[02:52] <Roey> hten I got fed up with it and removed its x packages
[02:53] <cleaninstall> if you can a clean install is clean, its like going to the doctor and getting rid of your VDD
[02:53] <Roey> but the damned drm module still loads and prevents me from running the nvidia installer.
[02:53] <Roey> sigh
[02:53] <cleaninstall> if you cant, if can be fgixed, u just gotta count on it taking some of your sanity
[02:53] <Roey> but then I have to download my packages again.
[02:53] <Roey> ok.
[02:54] <Roey> I am so sick of this shit, sigh.
[02:54] <Roey> ok. It's late.  I am going to bed.
[02:54] <Roey> I thoguht that by the time it's a week out, the upgrade process should be painless.
[02:54] <Roey> fuck me.
[02:55] <Roey> gnight
[03:02] <cleaninstall> is the package manager no longer in system settings?
[03:08] <phiscribe> man i should have kept the modlines from last xorg
[03:14] <RandomRoger> Is anyone else having a persistent problem with rekonq randomly crashing ?
[03:31] <eristikophiles> during sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop (on a standard ubuntu box), it asked me to pick between kdm, gdm, and lightdm
[03:31] <eristikophiles> according to the site i've been following, it says to pick kdm for kubuntu, gdm goes with ubuntu, etc. .. i picked lightdm thinking that it might work with both.. but is that true, or did i accidentally break it a bit?
[03:31] <eristikophiles> do i need to switch to kdm?
[03:32] <eristikophiles> (i found how to switch, i'm just not sure whether it's necessary)
[03:38] <adarshajoisa> i'm not getting any sound in my laptop speakers. The headphones work fine. I think gstreamer may be broken. Are there any other backends for phonon i can try?
[03:38] <jmichaelx> eristikophiles: it probably makes no difference. use which ever one you want, you can always change if you feel the need
[03:39] <jmichaelx> adarshajoisa: you can use the xine backend, or even vlc
[03:39] <jmichaelx> adarshajoisa: have you checked alsamixer to make sue that the volume for your speakers is not turned all the way down?
[03:42] <adarshajoisa> jmichaelx: oh, thanks! :) it was turned down in alsamixer. :P
[03:42] <jmichaelx> sweet
[03:42] <jmichaelx> that seems to happen a lot
[03:43] <adarshajoisa> jmichaelx: btw, doesn't alsamixer have a gui? i had to use the terminal to turn up the volume
[03:43] <jmichaelx> it may have, but if it does, i have never seen it
[03:43] <adarshajoisa> jmichaelx: ok.
[03:45] <adarshajoisa> jmichaelx: how do i use vlc as a backend for phonon?
[03:47] <jmichaelx> adarshajoisa: i'm not positive
[03:48] <adarshajoisa> jmichaelx: ok. i'll figure it out. also, when i try apt-get install xine, it says xine doesn't have an installation candidate. what's the package name?
[03:51] <eristikophiles> jmichaelx- thanks.. i went off reading web stuff. but that's cool
[03:58] <uabn93> can you install rocketbar from mandriva on kubuntu?
[04:04] <hexacode> is it possible to change root to a different word..like change the root account to something called adVIMistrator ?
[04:04] <hexacode> and if i do so, will file ownership change accordingly?
[04:05] <hexacode> ssh has an option that will make it so only root is allowed to login. but root is so common and all the hackers test for it...so i want something different
[04:20] <jmichaelx> hexacode: for the sake of security, disallowing root login is what should be done, not disallowing everything but root
[04:26] <hexacode> hmm jmichaelx thats probably a good idea...but when i log in with the other user i created, theres no colors in my terminal...everythign is just yellow...heck it doesnt even display my username@host   it just has a $ sign for the prompt and thats it
[04:26] <hexacode> i dont really know why its doing that
[04:27] <jmichaelx> hexacode: all of that is customizable
[04:29] <jmichaelx> hexacode: you can custom tailor your prompt to your liking in your .bashrc file... you can find many examples online of all the different ways people configure their bash prompts.
[04:31] <jmichaelx> hexacode: i have mine so that it is blue if i am signed in as a user, or red if i am roo... and have it set to show the working directory, and the time
[04:31] <jmichaelx> root*
[04:32] <kamilnadeem> Hi
[04:32] <hexacode> jmichaelx:  thanks...so bash rc is causing color distortions then? is bashrc also causing it not to display user@host$ ?   instead it just diplays $
[04:32] <jmichaelx> hexacode: colors can also be influenced in .bashrc, and you also generally have various color schemas to choose from in whichever terminal emulator you use
[04:33] <hexacode> aafk ill be back. ill get ur message if u make a response thanks
[04:34] <jmichaelx> hexacode: the very first thing i do when i install any linux distro is copy over my preferences for bash and for vim
[04:34] <jmichaelx> so i am not even sure what the default ubuntu prompt looks like
[04:34] <kamilnadeem> My system startup time got really after installing Ubuntu one on Kubuntu 11.10 so I removed it but no improvement in the startup time?
[04:36] <kamilnadeem> I may again say that the exceptional delay has only began after i installed Ubuntu One. otherwise it the kde splash would load fine and right after that the startup sound , but now the kde splash takes time , then the cog jumps  and then the startup sound
[04:40] <jmichaelx> kamilnadeem: do you have you time settings configured to use a time server?
[04:41] <kamilnadeem> No it is local
[04:42] <jmichaelx> kamilnadeem: well, i mean in System Settings>Date and Time
[04:43] <jmichaelx> you should be able to set that up so that it periodically adjusts your system time to keep things accurate
[04:43] <kamilnadeem> yes as I told you it is local not using time servers
[04:44] <jmichaelx> whether or not you are using local time is irrelevant
[04:44] <kamilnadeem> I have not checked the timeservers
[04:44] <jmichaelx> then that is probably what you should do
[04:45] <jmichaelx> as for what influence ubuntu one is having on this, i have no idea. i have never used it
[04:45] <kamilnadeem> I meant I am not using set and time and date automatically
[04:45] <kamilnadeem> do you want me to use it?
[04:46] <jmichaelx> i am only saying that doing so would probably keep your time accurate
[04:46] <jmichaelx> unless i am completely misunderstanding you
[04:46] <kamilnadeem> what does this has to do with the increase in boot up time?
[04:46] <jmichaelx> lol
[04:47] <jmichaelx> i WAS completely misunderstanding you
[04:47] <jmichaelx> sorry
[04:47] <kamilnadeem> hehe
[04:48] <kamilnadeem> now do you know the reason of the cog appearing near the mouse on startup ?
[04:48] <jmichaelx> hmm... i am not sure i know about that
[04:48] <kamilnadeem> brb
[05:09] <cleaninstall> still trying to get nvidia dual head to work
[05:11] <Wensley> sort of a weird thing... in the kubuntu installer, the "require password to log in", "log in automatically", and "encrypt my home folder" options are all mutually exclusive because they use a shared radio button as a selector
[05:14] <cleaninstall> well, the last two seem somewhat opposed, you would never want to encrypt your home folder and have it auto UN encrypt at start up, that is why put on a pad lock if you just throw away the key and leave it open
[05:15]  * cleaninstall goes to restart X
[05:17] <Wensley> ah, good point
[05:17] <Wensley> also, installing kubuntu will also install grub, yeah? because the installer completed successfully, but it's still punting me right into windows from bios
[05:18] <Wensley> well, actually it's doing some weird things like not detecting any disks (this is not new behavior), and *then* punting me into windows on the disks it didn't find
[05:21] <cleaninstall> sounds like the boot manager didnt get installed to the master boot record of the first drive, or to /  or something along those lines
[05:23] <cleaninstall> get supergrub2 boot disk to check it out, at least it helps me cuaes im not grub prompt super effeicent
[05:23] <cleaninstall> BUT!  twin view on my nvidia is now working woo
[05:24] <cleaninstall> alas it looks like i still gotta add modlines to get the refresh right
[05:25] <cleaninstall> i need an onion
[05:25] <kamilnadeem> Hi
[05:25] <kamilnadeem> My system startup time got really after installing Ubuntu one on Kubuntu 11.10 so I removed it but no improvement in the startup time?
[05:25] <kamilnadeem> I may again say that the exceptional delay has only began after i installed Ubuntu One. otherwise it the kde splash would load fine and right after that the startup sound , but now the kde splash takes time , then the cog jumps  and then the startup sound
[05:27] <cleaninstall> kamilnadeem: log files
[05:27] <cleaninstall> find where the hand is, but i bet it is ubuntu one, ive read some bug repots abut it fouling things up
[05:27] <kamilnadeem> cleaninstall giving
[05:28] <cleaninstall> where the hang is i meant, ksyslog is good place to look
[05:28] <kamilnadeem> here http://paste.ubuntu.com/721322/
[05:29] <kamilnadeem> do you want me to give the bootchart
[05:29] <kamilnadeem> ?
[05:29] <cleaninstall> kamilnadeem: where is the delay can you tell?
[05:30] <cleaninstall> is it before kdm or after, befoer X starts or after
[05:30] <kamilnadeem> I have automated login , so after the Kubuntu splash I see the kde splash , which has gotten a bit slow , then a gog appears on the desktop near the mouse and then the startup sound
[05:31] <kamilnadeem> why is the cog sppearing
[05:31] <kamilnadeem> appearing
[05:31] <cleaninstall> file:///usr/share/applications/kde4/ksystemlog.desktop
[05:32] <cleaninstall> crap why did it paste that, weird, anyway open ksystemlog and try to see where the delay is, many are time stamped
[05:32] <eristikophiles> hm. is there any reason why an app like muon package manager isn't asking for sudo permission before running, so that it then says it can't install due to no permissions- i ran it as "sudo muon" from shell instead which works, but just curious why
[05:32] <kamilnadeem> ok giving
[05:33] <cleaninstall> eristikophiles: you should never ever ever ever run an app with a gui with sudo, in kubunt use kdesudo, if you use sudo, it is lible to change permisions of files in locaiton s you donbt want to root
[05:34] <cleaninstall> i can say causei have that bad habit myself, its hard to break
[05:34] <eristikophiles> well, i only do it if nothing else seems to work
[05:35] <eristikophiles> i generally prefer not to run gui apps in shell anyway, since then i can't close the terminal (unless i'm willing to && stuff but that is also dubious practice)
[05:35] <kamilnadeem> cleaninstall i have opened it what now?
[05:35] <eristikophiles> ..anyway kdesudo was installed, i checked. no idea why it did that
[05:35] <eristikophiles> it was prompting for pw in gnome, but once i switched it over to kde.. *shrug*
[05:35] <cleaninstall> yes  but kdesudo is the one to run if it has a gui, then you dont get fouled permisoins and group ownershiops, probably a config file for muo that was set to user owener and group owner now is set to root owner and root group, causing your personality split
[05:36] <cleaninstall> kamilnadeem: try the kernel log
[05:36] <eristikophiles> hm
[05:36] <eristikophiles> no idea why that'd be
[05:36] <eristikophiles> except perhaps that i used sudo apt-get to install kubuntu-desktop and remove ubuntu-desktop
[05:37] <eristikophiles> anyway, i'm good with that box for now at least. my mother won't be running muon most likely
[05:37] <kamilnadeem> yes what now /?
[05:37] <cleaninstall> kamilnadeem: your sherlock holms looking for clues to hung processes, on second thought, the system log is probably better
[05:37] <kamilnadeem> http://paste.ubuntu.com/721327/
[05:38] <kamilnadeem> Indeed Mr. Holmes , I am at your disposal
[05:39] <cleaninstall> sudo with apt-get is fine as it has no gui
[05:39] <kamilnadeem> here http://paste.ubuntu.com/721329/
[05:40] <cleaninstall> kamilnadeem:  that looks fishy init: plymouth-stop pre-start process (1236) terminated with status 1
[05:41] <kamilnadeem> now what how do we take it to task
[05:41] <kamilnadeem> there was no need for "what" in the above statement typo
[05:42] <cleaninstall> kamilnadeem: did you say this was a *cough* cleaninstall or a upgrade?
[05:42] <kamilnadeem> cleaninstall sir
[05:43] <cleaninstall> weird
[05:43] <cleaninstall> and it is kubuntu, with kde in all its glory
[05:43] <kamilnadeem> yeah
[05:44] <kamilnadeem> my main distro was 11.04 which I upgraded to 11.10 but it is acting funny so I made Kubuntu 11.10 my main distro
[05:45] <kamilnadeem> I am on the 4.7.2 ppa from the begining (just to let you have all the info)
[05:47] <cleaninstall> /home/USER/.xsession-errors     kamilnadeem look inside that file, replace user with what ever it is
[05:47] <kamilnadeem> also the akonadi is not auto starting now
[05:48] <kamilnadeem> ok doing
[05:49] <cleaninstall> this is fresh install of 11.10 too i am on, non of the akonadi - nepomuk stuff seems to be running right, but it is not causing me a startup delay like you are having, i suspect fixing the nepomuk calander contact emal fees will take some doing, i read in the realease notes about problems they are having
[05:51] <cleaninstall> though i might just need to reboot, it looks like the whoel data base got updated,
[05:51] <kamilnadeem> http://paste.ubuntu.com/721333/
[05:51] <cleaninstall> PLUGINS inserting:  "akonadi_birthdays_resource" 0 ("Resource", "Unique")   ---- looks like 20 new database feilds
[05:52] <cleaninstall> are you using dual monitors kamilnadeem?
[05:52] <kamilnadeem> no
[05:53] <cleaninstall> bad thig about session erros  - - no time stamp
[05:54] <cleaninstall> there are tones of erros like this but dont know what it means, dont think it is a startup delay  X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) 3
[05:55] <kamilnadeem> I also don't know :(
[05:56] <cleaninstall> well i look at when X starts loging and its 9:59, at that time EXT4 says it remounted
[05:56] <cleaninstall> at about that time this happens NVRM	loading NVIDIA UNIX x86 Kernel Module
[05:57] <cleaninstall> open system monitor and see if you got a high load on something called fbd2 or maybe fdb2 one of those
[05:57] <kamilnadeem> ok checking
[05:59] <kamilnadeem> there is neither of them in the sresourece monitore
[05:59] <kamilnadeem> monitor*
[05:59] <cleaninstall> well........
[06:00] <cleaninstall> any weird file systems that you are using, butter or jfs or anything?
[06:01] <kamilnadeem> no only swap and root on ext4
[06:01] <cleaninstall> only a couple of guesses
[06:02] <kamilnadeem> ok
[06:04] <cleaninstall> so weird video startup glitch, open additional drivers  and go up a notch in the driver for your video card, (i think nvidia-common  or maybe version current) and see if it is along those lines, the
[06:04] <cleaninstall> some weird i meant
[06:04] <cleaninstall> other idea, something in the filesystem - - dirty disk or journaling not working as it should, but broad guesses
[06:05] <kamilnadeem> I am currently using version current
[06:05] <kamilnadeem> do you want me to activate post install drivers
[06:06] <cleaninstall> then i dont know, maybe the nepomuk and akonoid  could be causing it, none of looks liek it is runing right, even on my clean install
[06:06] <cleaninstall> but i dont get the startup slowness like you do
[06:07] <cleaninstall> hey! at least it does start hehe
[06:07] <kamilnadeem> well it was working fine before that ubuntu one , although I have purged every single bit of it]
[06:07] <cleaninstall> plymoth is the boot splash loader, it could be ther, try a new splash
[06:08] <cleaninstall> it does cry about something
[06:08] <cleaninstall> but
[06:09] <kamilnadeem> ok
[06:09] <kamilnadeem> trying
[06:09] <cleaninstall> is it even used in 11.10 (plymouth) it must be
[06:10] <kamilnadeem> oh I have activated the new drivers let it install
[06:11] <cleaninstall> read this maybe it will jar something http://ubuntu.igameilive.com/2010/07/how-to-fix-plymouth-command-failed.html
[06:11] <cleaninstall> dont try any ofthat hehe just see if it rings a bell
[06:13] <cleaninstall> maybe update your initramfs
[06:13] <noaXess> he morning..
[06:13] <cleaninstall> o
[06:14] <kamilnadeem> morning noaXess
[06:14] <kamilnadeem> Nice stuff http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/10/ubuntu-11-10-arm/
[06:15] <kamilnadeem> I will do a reinstall of ubuntu 11.10 and see if it gets better than my current install
[06:16] <cleaninstall> g/l
[06:16] <noaXess> is it possible to temporary disable all defined window/application settings.. positio, desktop and so on? normally i work with a second monitor... but if it isn't plugged in, and i open eg dolphin, dolphins position is on bottom from the scrren see here..http://i.imgur.com/jKGnl.png
[06:18] <cleaninstall> noaXess: not sure, but you can add a default panel to the other monitor, then you can right click the app and pick "Move"  then, u can drag it over to where you can deal with it
[06:19] <noaXess> cleaninstall: what? :).. sorry... to early in the morning..a after a night like this :)
[06:19] <kamilnadeem> clean install the drive thing is doone
[06:19] <kamilnadeem> now do you want me to disable kde  splash
[06:20] <kamilnadeem> cleaninstall the driver thing is done(man I am really fussing the typo today)
[06:20] <kamilnadeem> going to restart
[06:29] <kamilnadeem> well nothing improved :(
[06:29] <kamilnadeem> I guess this is it
[06:29] <kamilnadeem> why is the cog appearing I may never know ?
[06:32] <kamilnadeem> My system startup time increased after installing Ubuntu one on Kubuntu 11.10 so I removed it but no improvement in the startup time?
[06:32] <kamilnadeem> I may again say that the exceptional delay has only began after i installed Ubuntu One. before it the kde splash would load fine and right after that the startup sound , but now the kde splash takes time , then a cog jumps for few seconds  and then the startup sound
[06:41] <vehemoth> can I control windows from the command line? just simple things like minimising or bring to focus, maybe using dbus or something.
[06:44] <vehemoth> I'm sure you could with dcop but I can't find how to do it now
[06:48] <os_> hi
[06:49] <os_> can i use kde 3.5 in kubuntu 11.10?
[06:54] <os_> any idea??
[06:56] <vehemoth> os_: what's wrong with kde4?
[06:57] <os_> i have no problem with it
[06:57] <os_> but i like 3.5 !
[06:58] <os_> and i didn't find any way to install it with ubuntu 11.10
[06:59] <vehemoth> os_: I was just interested, I thought it was dead
[06:59] <os_> ok
[07:00] <os_> is there any ppa for it??
[07:07] <alexdevillx> how to add task to cron everyday?
[07:20] <szal> vehemoth: it IS dead
[07:21] <SunTsu> alexdevillx: why do you want to add a task to cron every day? Anyway, should work just like doing it once, just more often
[07:21] <vehemoth> szal: maybe I'm bad at using search engines, I can't seem to find help
[07:22] <SunTsu> szal: kde4 deader than kde 3.5? Er, whut?
[07:23] <szal> SunTsu: no, KDE3 is dead
[07:23] <os_> ok can i get the source code?
[07:23] <SunTsu> szal: yeah, absolutely and it's a good thing, too
[07:25] <vehemoth> any ideas on how to focus a window using dbus?
[07:25] <vehemoth> I'm assuming kwin has this capability
[07:26] <os_> can anyone tell me from where can i get kde 3 source code?
[07:26] <os_> it is not available in kde.org!
[07:27] <SunTsu> os_: because it's dead for good
[07:27] <Graf_Westerholt> os_, you would not have updates, you would have old software and it is insane.
[07:27] <SunTsu> good riddance to kde3
[07:29] <os_> if dolphin can split the window into 3 i will not install kde 3
[07:30] <SunTsu> os_: You won't anyway, because you don't have any source for it :>
[07:31] <os_> ok
[07:31] <os_> thanks
[07:31] <Graf_Westerholt> os_, use two instances of dolphin.
[07:31] <os_> ok
[07:32] <szal> or use Krusader :P
[07:32] <szal> or keep using Konqueror, it still exists
[07:33] <Graf_Westerholt> Can anyone tell me how I turn of saving passwords in konqueror? I did not find any settings in the config form.
[07:35] <Graf_Westerholt> Same in rekonq
[08:32] <El5aWaGa> hello !!
[08:32] <El5aWaGa> anybody here ??
[08:32] <Graf_Westerholt> !ask El5aWaGa
[08:33] <El5aWaGa> :D
[08:33] <El5aWaGa> hey !
[08:33] <Graf_Westerholt> !ask | El5aWaGa
[08:34] <El5aWaGa> mmmmm
[08:34] <El5aWaGa> ok
[08:34] <nemo__> ??????
[08:37] <El5aWaGa> why r u guys so silent !!
[08:52] <FlashDeluxe> hi! i got a problem with kubuntu oneric, if i log in with plasma, there is no taskbar, i only see the desktop :( what can i do?
[08:53] <well_laid_lawn> FlashDeluxe: does it happen with a different user?
[08:54] <FlashDeluxe> i will test, one sec please
[08:56] <FlashDeluxe> no, the other user is fine
[08:56] <FlashDeluxe> can i just copy the .kde folder?
[08:58] <well_laid_lawn> sounds like it is your configs so give it a go
[09:02] <FlashDeluxe> now everything seems to be fine, but there are a lot of windows which want to have the password of the user
[09:03] <FlashDeluxe> i mean the user whose .kde folder i took
[09:33] <matteo__> Ehy!
[09:50] <alexdevillx> how to use cron
[09:54] <Graf_Westerholt> !cron | alexdevillx
[09:55] <Wizzir> hi, nóbs
[10:06] <Wizzir> two questions, 1. is there any KDE integrated, reliable tool for sharing media over upnp/dlna? 2. Is there a way to capture X mouse events so I could simulate right click on "long" left click?
[10:33] <alexdevillx> FTP or NAS?
[10:48] <FlashDeluxe> hi! i installed kubuntu oneric and got a problem: if i start a program, e.g. firefox it is started in the background. :( what can i do?
[11:03] <cousin_luigi> hellp
[11:03] <cousin_luigi> hello*
[11:04] <cousin_luigi> anyone using compiz on kubuntu? Menu pops up in strange places when I launch it.
[11:05] <well_laid_lawn> kwin has all the glitz of compiz
[11:05] <well_laid_lawn> !compiz
[11:06] <cousin_luigi> well_laid_lawn: not really, kwin doesn't have a proper screen magnifier
[11:06] <well_laid_lawn> ok - check the #compiz channel if no one here knows :)
[11:08] <cousin_luigi> well_laid_lawn: I think they suggested it was a bug in kubuntu.
[11:09] <cousin_luigi> hence my question
[11:09] <well_laid_lawn> !bug
[11:09] <well_laid_lawn> I don't know what else to say about it...
[11:10] <cousin_luigi> I'd like to be sure it's actually a bug, therefore I asked if somebody else noticed it.
[11:21] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:21] <cousin_luigi> hello
[11:24] <Wizzir> hi BluesKaj
[11:24] <Wizzir> hi cousin_luigi
[11:24] <BluesKaj> hi Wizzir
[11:28] <moonflux> hrmf. looks like kubuntu oneiric broke networkmanagement (bug 883015 & bug 879828)
[11:32] <Roey> hey all
[11:32] <Roey> good morning
[11:33] <Roey> I did a do-release-upgrade and now I have nouveau kernel module popping up on boot.  I can't get rid of it.  I must in order to run the NVidia installer script... Tried blacklisting it in /etc/modprobe.d but it  keeps popping back up... what to do?
[11:34] <Roey> hey maum
[11:37] <BluesKaj> Roey, did you install the nvidia-current driver ?"
[11:38] <Roey> BluesKaj: yeah it's already at its newest version.
[11:39] <Roey> BluesKaj: yet there is no nv module.
[11:40] <Roey> BluesKaj: BluesKaj or nvidia
[11:40] <BluesKaj> what's lsmod |grep -i nvidia , give you ?
[11:40] <Roey> nothing.
[11:40] <Roey> it's not loaded at all.
[11:40] <Roey> and when I try to modprobe it, I get 'no such device' or something liek that.
[11:40] <Roey> er, cannot find file.
[11:41] <BluesKaj> which nvidia card?
[11:41] <Roey> gt260
[11:42] <BluesKaj> did you run sudo nvidia-xconfig
[11:42] <Roey> BluesKaj: why isn't the nvidia module there in the first place?
[11:43] <Roey> BluesKaj: inside or outside of X?
[11:43] <Roey> I shouldn't have to run it even.
[11:43] <Roey> I can't get the nvidia kernel module loaded.
[11:43] <BluesKaj> outside of X
[11:43] <Roey> because it doesn't exist.
[11:43] <Roey> one sec then.
[11:44] <Roey> BluesKaj: ok, that just rewrote my xorg.conf file.  But that's not what I need; I need to load the nviida kernel module.  Which modprobe cannot find.
[11:45] <BluesKaj> Roey, how did you upgrade ?
[11:46] <BluesKaj> xconfig, should tell X to load the nvidia kernel module
[11:48] <BluesKaj> and how did you install nvidia-current , with jockey , or at a tty or...?
[11:49] <Roey> BluesKaj: do-release-upgrade
[11:49] <Roey> and nvidia-current was installed from before.
[11:49] <Roey> BluesKaj: ya know the problem isthat before any nvidia kernel module gets loaded, the nouveau module does.
[11:51] <BluesKaj> Roey, then try what gentoo64 told you in ubuntu
[11:52] <BluesKaj> you're lucky the correction trolls aren't on your case for cross posting in the chats :)
[11:52] <Roey> ok, rebooting now.
[11:53] <Roey> see ya in a bit.
[11:57] <Roey> BluesKaj: hey!
[11:57] <Roey> it worked!
[11:58] <Roey> BluesKaj: which channel was Gentoo64 in again?
[11:58] <Roey> BluesKaj: btw so there is no modesetting; i.e. I am stuck at 80x25 text mode; nvidia module loaded automatically.
[11:58] <BluesKaj> yeah, I hadn't thought of that since it was a while since i had to do that ...think it was on 10.10
[11:58] <Roey> BluesKaj: what, to blacklist nouveau at the kernel boot line?
[11:58] <BluesKaj> yeah
[11:59] <Roey> wow
[11:59] <Roey> which channel is gentoo64 on again?
[11:59] <Roey> I want to thank them.
[11:59] <BluesKaj> #ubuntu
[11:59]  * szal wonders whether we'll get a bugfix release of Qt and/or Konversation into Oneiric
[12:00] <BluesKaj> szal, what bug is that ?
[12:00] <cousin_luigi> bbl
[12:01] <szal> BluesKaj: Konvi crashing "unexpectedly", Konvi folks say it's a Qt bug they have described a workaround for
[12:01] <Roey> BluesKaj: thanks
[12:01] <Roey> hey szal, fixed my problem.  needed to blacklist nouveau at the kernel boot line.
[12:02] <BluesKaj> szal, odd , I haven't had any unexpected crashes or even expected ones :)
[12:02] <szal> Roey: last night I was telling you how to put 'nomodeset' in the kernel boot line, but you quit while I was typing ;)
[12:03] <seshagiri> Where can i find the source code of "which" command? Could someone send me the link?
[12:04] <Roey> szal: nomodeset didn't help though
[12:04] <Roey> b tw....
[12:04] <SunTsu> seshagiri: which which -> "which: shell built-in command"
[12:04] <szal> seshagiri: the program is in package debianutils; the pkg info should have contact info for the authors
[12:05] <seshagiri> ok.
[12:05] <SunTsu> seshagiri: where are lots of standalone implementations, though, which are easy to find
[12:05] <BluesKaj> seshagiri, for help with "which" , just type: man which
[12:05] <Roey> now startx gives me an error about nvidia kernel module and glx module mismatching API (one is 285, the other is 283 or something)... I had tried to run the NVIDIA.sh installer, and it fialed at putting the libGL.so where it needed to be.  Which packages cna I apt-get install --reinstall ?
[12:06] <seshagiri> i want to see how it functions. In man pages i din't find any
[12:06] <szal> Roey: your fault if you're messing w/ the shell script installer..  get nvidia-current from ubuntu-x-swat ;)
[12:07] <Roey> hee
[12:07] <Roey> szal: thanks
[12:07] <BluesKaj> Roey, theat's aproprietary driver from the nvidia site  , right ? if so they aren't very reliable in their match ups with linux drivers
[12:08] <Roey> BluesKaj: this is the first time I've seen this kind of issue with the nvidia installer script.
[12:08] <Roey> but ok.
[12:08] <Roey> fine, as long as this works, how can I reinstall this the debian way?
[12:08] <Roey> *kubuntu way
[12:09] <Roey> BluesKaj: see above
[12:09] <Roey> szal: ubuntu-x-swat ain't a package apparently
[12:10] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get install nvidia-current at a tty , then sudo nvidia-xconfig . Roey
[12:11] <Roey> BluesKaj: thanks, one sec.
[12:11] <seshagiri> BluesKaj: Thanks
[12:11] <Chappi> BluesKaj: Hi, how can I help kubuntu. i would love to:)
[12:11] <Roey> BluesKaj: ok, so nvidia-current is already installed; apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-current says that it is not possible.
[12:12] <Roey> Chappi: aww :)
[12:12] <Chappi> Hi roey what do you mean?
[12:12] <Roey> Chappi: that you're offering to help kubuntu
[12:12] <Roey> Chappi: because you love it so mcuh
[12:13] <Roey> cute.
[12:13] <szal> Roey: ubuntu-x-swat is a package repository (PPA)
[12:13] <Chappi> yep. i love linux.. can i help? how?
[12:13] <Roey> ahh
[12:13] <BluesKaj> Chappi, it depends on your knowledge and ability to express it in the right situations ..but all help is welcome
[12:13] <Roey> can you give me a deb line, szal
[12:13] <Chappi> can you point me to a pointing point?
[12:14] <Roey> hey PhilRod
[12:14] <Chappi> sorry.. starting point?
[12:14] <Roey> cute x2.
[12:14] <szal> Roey: sudo apt-add-repository ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates
[12:14] <Roey> perfect, onesec.
[12:14] <szal> Chappi: a pointing point? *gg*
[12:15] <PhilRod> hi Roey
[12:15] <Chappi> sorry i meant starting point..
[12:15] <BluesKaj> Chappi, sorry i don't know what you mean , starting point to do >>>?
[12:15] <Chappi> ..to start contributing to opensource.
[12:16] <Chappi> in any way i can..
[12:16] <Pici> !contribute
[12:16] <Chappi> thanks. 'll be right back.
[12:19] <Roey> szal, BluesKaj: upon adding the swat-x repository and updating/dist-upgrading, it is rebuilding nvidia-current for me.
[12:19] <Roey> *rebuilding the nvidia modules for me.
[12:19] <Roey> Hmm.
[12:19] <snikker> hi how can i get the button on the top right of the window [_] [o] [X], bigger?
[12:20] <Roey> szal, blueskaj:  the nvidia GLX driver... what package to --reinstall for that?  I think the nvidia script clobbered the GL installation.
[12:21] <szal> Roey: you might first wanna restart X (or better reboot) after installing the nVidia driver
[12:22] <zerox> hello people do you speak russia?
[12:22] <Roey> szal: I'm not in X....
[12:22] <Roey> szal: I can't launch X.
[12:22] <Roey> szal: becuase of the API mismatch between kernel and GL modules.
[12:22] <Roey> szal: I have the kubuntu nvidia kernel module, and the clobbered nvidia commercial GL module.
[12:23] <Roey> szal: I need to replace the GL module now, but I don't knwo which package handles that.
[12:23] <Roey> szal: I installed nvidia-common but the problem persists.
[12:23] <szal> then you might want to try if the script can remove its remainders by running 'nvidia-installer --uninstall' and reboot nonetheless
[12:24] <Roey> ah, thanks
[12:24] <BluesKaj> Roey, i didn't recommend that ppa and I don't think that script is necessart
[12:24] <BluesKaj> necessart
[12:24] <BluesKaj> damn'
[12:24] <szal> heheh
[12:24] <Roey> BluesKaj: hmm ok.
[12:25] <Roey> BluesKaj: well I ran nvidia-installer --uninstall.
[12:25] <szal> BluesKaj: as for the script, that was his own idea, and ubuntu-x-swat was my recommendation
[12:25] <Roey> ok.
[12:26] <Roey> I HAD X working as soon as I had successfully blacklisted nouveau at the kernel boot line.  And then I messed it up by running the NVidia installer, which left me with an incomplete install.
[12:26] <BluesKaj> szal, why did you recommend a ppa when the default module is perfectly fine
[12:26] <Roey> (so how do I fix this?)
[12:26] <BluesKaj> remove the installer .sh script
[12:26] <szal> BluesKaj: more current version
[12:26] <Roey> BluesKaj: I did.
[12:26] <zerox> привет пипл
[12:26] <Roey> BluesKaj: I ran NVIDIA.sh --uninstall
[12:27] <BluesKaj> not current szal ppas aren't current
[12:27] <szal> !ru | zerox
[12:27] <szal> BluesKaj: how so?
[12:27] <BluesKaj> their unstable in a lot of cases
[12:28] <szal> BluesKaj: that doesn't explain your take of 'not current'
[12:28] <Roey> now I Get from startx: nvidia module does not have a nvidiamoduledata object
[12:28] <Roey> and also undefined symbol: miEmptyData
[12:29] <szal> Roey: in that case I doubt that you can do much else than reinstall
[12:29] <szal> thanks to the nvidia.sh installer
[12:30] <BluesKaj> szal,current means default
[12:30] <szal> BluesKaj: no, current means last version released upstream
[12:30] <szal> s/last/latest/
[12:30] <Roey> ok
[12:30] <Roey> regardless.
[12:30] <Roey> now I have a broken installation.
[12:31] <Roey> So I want to reinstall nvidia GL module.
[12:31] <BluesKaj> Roey, the gl module will be part of the install, it doen't need a separate install
[12:31] <Roey> that's what I had figured
[12:32] <Roey> so I --reinstalled nvidia-common, but I still have this issue with startx.
[12:33] <yofel> Roey: -current, -common isn't the driver
[12:33] <Roey> true.
[12:35] <Roey> yofel, szal, blueskaj:  sudo apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-current says that linux gl link group is broken
[12:37] <_Roey> yofel:  hey there.
[12:37] <_Roey> yofel, BluesKaj:  I fixed it by apt-get installing --reinstalling nvidia-current.
[12:37] <_Roey> thank yo uso much.
[12:39] <BluesKaj> ok, np Roey ..good luck ,,,try not try too many rhings at once to fix problems
[12:42] <_Roey> aye
[12:42] <_Roey> the only thing now that I'm trying to figure out is why Firefox lost my automatic signins to web sites.
[12:42] <_Roey> it didn't lose the passwords (once I put my username in, it fills the subsequent password field)
[12:43] <_Roey> but.. it should have signed me in with those cached credentials in the first place.  Once I upgraded to Oneiric, that's when I saw this.
[12:51] <TonyB> Hi there, i would known if anybody has had problems with pulseaudio on kubuntu 11.10
[12:51] <TonyB> i had
[12:52] <BluesKaj> TonyB, sure it's pulse?
[12:53] <TonyB> i've just removed it, because it occupied 90% of my cpu
[12:53] <TonyB> i've seen with "top" command
[12:54] <BluesKaj> wow, what's top showing now ?
[12:55] <TonyB> all is normal now
[12:55] <TonyB> but, i have to admit, the problem appeared after having installed clementine
[12:56] <TonyB> don't know if the problem is related
[12:57] <TonyB> however the system now is back to normality, even if the package kubuntu-desktop has some unsatisfied dependencies
[12:58] <TonyB> (pulseaudio is a recommended package)
[13:00] <hadi> upgrade mode
[13:00] <BluesKaj> yeah , its default TonyB , I don't like it much , but I need it because alsa doesn't link to webaudio content for some reason with my sound card
[13:01] <BluesKaj> TonyB,  does flash audio work on youtube for example after removing pulse ?
[13:03] <TonyB> sorry for the delay, flash works perfectly
[13:03] <BluesKaj> ok good
[13:04] <TonyB> it's strange, the installation is 14 days old, but the problem appeared only yesterday
[13:05] <TonyB> however,  i have to admit the work done on kde on this 11.10 is very good
[13:05] <TonyB> i've never seen a so snappy kde
[13:06] <TonyB> it's a piety for some imperfections not-kde related
[13:07] <BluesKaj> TonyB, yeah they fixed some sizing and root font issues with dolphin and kate , but overall I'm quite happy with 11.10
[13:07] <BluesKaj> and KDE 4.7.2
[13:07] <TonyB> and another complaints is plymouth
[13:08] <TonyB> todays works good, tomorrow only god knows
[13:08] <TonyB> *today
[13:19] <FlashDeluxe> hi! i installed kubuntu oneric and got a problem: if i start a program, e.g. firefox it is started in the background. :( what can i do?
[13:21] <TonyB> FlashDeluxe: do you *always* have this problem?
[13:22] <TonyB> FlashDeluxe: fromt time to time the plasmoid that handles the processes behavies so, it'a well known bug
[13:23] <FlashDeluxe> TonyB: yes, always
[13:23] <FlashDeluxe> TonyB: Its a fresh system and up to date
[13:24] <TonyB> FlashDeluxe: it's strange, here never had this problem
[13:25] <TonyB> FlashDeluxe: do you have installed some firefox-plugin-extension recently?
[13:26] <FlashDeluxe> TonyB: yes, is that related?!
[13:27] <TonyB> FlashDeluxe: maybe, try to delete your .mozilla directory and start firefox, but this way you'll lose all yor settings (bookmarks, password, etc)
[13:28] <TonyB> FlashDeluxe: or you could create another user account and log in it
[13:32] <TonyB> FlashDeluxe: is it just Firefox that behaves so, or *all* your starting programs?
[13:35] <oxymoron> Does someone know who fixed Pulseaudios latest changes?
[13:39] <BluesKaj> oxymoron,  what do you mean ?
[13:39] <TonyB> oxymoron: did you have problem with pulseaduio? we were just talking about this...
[13:40] <oxymoron> Well, I want to tahnk the person who did :) BluesKaj and TonyB
[13:41] <TonyB> oxymoron: thanx, but more ifo please
[13:41] <oxymoron> Does someone know if it is permanent fix? I have experienced problem with audio back and forth since I started using Kubuntu for like 5 years ago.
[13:42] <oxymoron> TonyB: I always sometimes got conflicts between backend layers, Phonon and PulseAudio, does not get into corect audio channel etc. if I installed PulseAudio HDMI worked, if I removed it didnt work, bu then regular spekers worked :D
[13:43] <oxymoron> So I had to choose between HDMI or Speakers all the time and remove and install Pulseaudio depending on what I wanted to use.
[13:43] <oxymoron> Earlier the problem was ALSA and PulseAudio before Phonon even existed.
[13:44] <oxymoron> Exactly why it didnt work, programming-wise I have not investigated.
[13:45] <TonyB> oxymoron: i think it's the implementation, on ohter distroes it works
[13:45] <oxymoron> TonyB: So Backend streamers and Phonon problem/KDE?
[13:46] <oxymoron> TonyB: And as far as I know I still manually need to change output channels when connect and disconnect external audio devices, like HDMI.
[13:46] <oxymoron> In Windows, when I plugin HDMI it change to HDMI channel and when unplug go back to speakers again.
[13:46] <eran_> How can I set the windows key to open the k menu?
[13:46] <TonyB> oxymoron: i think it's a problem of kubuntu, not of kde; it could be a bug of the version used, i didn't check
[13:47] <FlashDeluxe> TonyB: ALL programs
[13:47] <TonyB> oxymoron: all is IMHO obviously
[13:48] <oxymoron> TonyB: alright, well the problem comes up back and forth. I just do not nderstnad, when it works, why does it not work forever after that?
[13:48] <oxymoron> eran_: Not sure if its work, but maybe in system-settings.
[13:49] <TonyB> FlashDeluxe: so you have the cursor jumping for a while and the app doesn't start?
[13:49] <oxymoron> Gestures and Shortcuts
[13:49] <eran_> oxymoron: I can set a shortcut from the launcher setttings but I can't make it the meta key alone, I need to use another key
[13:52] <TonyB> oxymoron: there are many guides on the web to install and set properly pulse, you could try to follow one, even if i did with no success (on kubuntu)
[13:52] <TonyB> oxymoron: where does the problems of pulse come from, i don't know, we need a more competent person
[13:53] <TonyB> oxymoron: *do
[13:54] <TonyB> bye boys
[13:56] <oxymoron> if I do not unlock Keyring in KWallet for Kopete when I login, how do I re-enable the password ask in Kopete? i cannot get online again xD
[14:05] <phunyguy_work> ok folks, quick question, searched google and couldn't find anything recent / useful.  On one of my PCs, I have KRFB running to allow remote connections.  I can connect, and I can move the mouse around, but mouse clicks aren't being recognized so I can't click on anything... any ideas?
[14:05] <phunyguy_work> tried from another VNC cleint. and it did the same thing so I think it is server side
[14:05] <FlashDeluxe> TonyB: solved it! it was a setting for prevention for active windows
[14:05] <FlashDeluxe> TonyB: Thanks for help!
[14:06] <FlashDeluxe> @all i got another question, is there a button or something where i can switch between deadkeys and nodeadkeys?
[14:22] <PhilRod_> I updated to oneiric and now the kmail composer doesn't do completion from my addressbook in the To: box. Does anyone have any idea what I might need to do?
[14:22] <PhilRod_> If I click on "select", all my addresses are there
[14:30] <bomber> Hello guys..... I have the newest kubuntu and updated but my time on the task bar shows 4 hours ahead of the real time....... If I wave the mouse over the time it shows the proper time and date..... any idea whats wrong?
[15:01] <jamil_1> hi all, after installing playonlinux, I keep getting this error with apt: /var/lib/dpkg/info/playonlinux.postinst: line 4: type: gconf-schemas: not found
[15:02] <genii-around> Kubuntu doesn't use gconf
[15:03] <jamil_1> but I am still getting this error.......
[15:13] <genii-around> jamil_1: Obviously the playonlinux installer doesn't check to see if you have that installed forst before installing itself.
[15:13] <jamil_1> genii-around: any workaround ?
[15:14] <jamil_1> apart from uninstalling it and reinstalling from repos
[15:15] <BarkingFish> Afternoon all :)  I'm in need of a little help here. I have a new wireless card for my PC, a PCI one - which according to the Ubuntu forums, can be run with ndiswrapper.  This end, it's not working whatsoever, I can't use ndiswrapper since it needs a USBID to assign drivers to the device, and it doesn't have a USBID. Help :)
[15:16] <genii-around> jamil_1: Install package gconf2 , then the gconf-schemas will exist and the post-install hiccup will go away for playonlinux
[15:16] <BarkingFish> The card is based on the Texas Instruments ACX111 chipset, it's a netgear WG311 version 2
[15:19] <orated> Hey BluesKaj
[15:26] <BluesKaj> hi orated
[15:27] <orated> In auto-remove, I get dkms, nvidia-settings, screen-resolution-extra after fixing my last issue. Are they safe to remove?
[15:27] <orated> BluesKaj^
[15:28] <orated> if you remember
[15:30] <BluesKaj> only if listed in apt , when you update in the terminal
[15:30] <BluesKaj> otherwise not
[15:30] <orated> Yes, apt-get remove said that
[15:31] <orated> autoremove
[15:32] <orated> I'm unsure about removing dkms and nvidia-settings
[15:57] <suqlin_> hi... need live wallpaper, any sugestion
[16:16] <pvivek> since i don't have root access i am not able to create new folders in root
[16:17] <pvivek> i want to be able to create them temporarily and want to set it back to normal again
[16:17] <pvivek> *create permissions
[16:22] <pvivek> i am getting this error , would be very glad if someone can help me out
[16:22] <pvivek> vivek@vivek-System-Product-Name:~$ su
[16:22] <pvivek> Password:
[16:22] <pvivek> setgid: Operation not permitted
[16:25] <GirlyGirl> pvivek: use sudo instead
[16:25] <GirlyGirl> pvivek: Ubuntu uses sudo not su ... enabling root is unsupported
[16:25] <GirlyGirl> !su
[16:25] <GirlyGirl> !root
[16:26] <pvivek> GirlyGirl : $ sudo
[16:26] <pvivek> sudo: must be setuid root
[16:26] <GirlyGirl> pvivek: Is this a fresh install and did you create a new user on this machine?
[16:27] <GirlyGirl> pvivek: Also "sudo -i"
[16:27] <pvivek> GirlyGirl , ubottu : su and sudo both were working fine till now . I wanted to be able to create new files in root directory which was not allowed by default so i tried changing the permissions , something went wrong so this happened
[16:28] <GirlyGirl> pvivek: Does sudo -i prompt you for password?
[16:28] <pvivek> GirlyGirl : $ sudo -i
[16:28] <pvivek> sudo: must be setuid root
[16:29] <ArGGu^^> pvivek check the permissions of /usr/bin/sudo with command "ls -l /usr/bin/sudo"
[16:30] <pvivek> ArGGu^^ : $ ls -l /usr/bin/sudo
[16:30] <pvivek> -rwxrwxrwx 2 root root 144508 2011-05-30 11:21 /usr/bin/sudo
[16:34] <ArGGu^^> pvivek the permissions are wrong
[16:34] <pvivek> i did the following commands
[16:34] <pvivek> probably i have messed it up
[16:34] <pvivek> http://pastebin.com/zTMMiS9s
[16:35] <pvivek> ArGGu^^ : http://pastebin.com/zTMMiS9s
[16:36] <ArGGu^^> you change everything under / to 777 permissions?
[16:37] <pvivek> ArGGu^^ : I know i was being stupid
[16:37] <pvivek> ArGGu^^ : a serious of Operations not permitted came.
[16:38] <pvivek> ArGGu^^ : Now i am not able to open a new browser window or open a new URL . Everything seems to be blocked.
[16:39] <GirlyGirl> pvivek: If your volume is not encrypted, boot a live cd and set the permissions right
[16:39] <kamilnadeem> Hi
[16:39] <ArGGu^^> evetyrhing permissions are just wrong, You could fix sudo by bootting to recovery and fix the permissions
[16:40] <pvivek> GirlyGirl : Is there no other way other than that?
[16:40] <kamilnadeem> I am unable to make a folder or paste anything in the external hd that I formated into ext4
[16:40] <ArGGu^^> pvivek but you changed permission of everything, reinstall would be faster fix than fix every permission
[16:40] <GirlyGirl> pvivek: Techincally you need root access to change permissions back ... try "kdesu konsole"
[16:41] <kamilnadeem> when using back in time software it says I don't have root permission ?
[16:42] <kamilnadeem> although a partition of fat32 is working fine
[16:42] <pvivek> ArGGu^^ , GirlyGirl : $ kdesu konsole
[16:42] <pvivek> kdesu: command not found
[16:42] <ArGGu^^> kdesudo does not help as it is just a GUI for sudo
[16:42] <satty> hey guys
[16:43] <pvivek> ArGGu^^ : So is the reinstallation the only solution?
[16:43] <ArGGu^^> pvivek if you want to fix thing without reinstall you need to boot to recovery mode
[16:43] <GirlyGirl> pvivek: Best reinstall changing file permissions is a really stupid thing to do
[16:43] <GirlyGirl> pvivek: You "can" fix it but it will take longer than reinstall
[16:43] <ArGGu^^> but you changed permissions of all files
[16:44] <ArGGu^^> reinstall just a lot faster
[16:44] <ArGGu^^> pvivek why you changed the permissions?
[16:45] <pvivek> ArGGu^^ : yup with just a command , can't i set everything back with a single command . Oh to do that i need root access . So i can't
[16:45] <GirlyGirl> Options 1) Reinstall  2) Give everything user permission not root (NOTE: Highly insecure but fast method) 3) Manually set permissions as needed (time consuming)
[16:45] <pvivek> ArGGu^^ : Got it
[16:45] <pvivek> ArGGu^^ : I know i was damn stupid
[16:45] <ArGGu^^> pvivek but why you needed to change the permissions?
[16:46] <ArGGu^^> you tried to do something that you could get work or?
[16:46] <pvivek> ArGGu^^ :Ok here goes the story... This maybe a totally invalid reason but i am a noob with linux so :( . I wanted to install aurora (firefox 9.x alpha version)
[16:47] <pvivek> ArGGu^^ : I downloaded the tar.gz of aurora
[16:47] <GirlyGirl> pvivek: Aurora is not firefox its a webkit browser
[16:48] <ArGGu^^> GirlyGirl http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/aurora/
[16:48] <ArGGu^^> pvivek there is ppa repository for aurora
[16:48] <ArGGu^^> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/firefox-aurora
[16:48] <pvivek> ArGGu^^ : I extracted it and got a resulting output folder. I wanted it to run from my terminal
[16:48] <GirlyGirl> pvivek: Ah sorry I though of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arora_(web_browser)
[16:49] <pvivek> ArGGu^^ : So i had to create a link to application by rightclick -> new -> link to application
[16:49] <GirlyGirl> !enter | pvivek
[16:49] <pvivek> ubottu : sorry
[16:50] <pvivek> ArGGu^^ : So i thought of pasting the folder of Aurora into /usr/lib
[16:51] <pvivek> ArGGu^^ : and then creating a link to application in /usr/bin to access the executable aurora from /usr/lib/aurora
[16:51] <pvivek> ArGGu^^ : But since new was deactivated in root folder. I was checking forums . I found out someone had suggested the command i used. Used it . Crashed my root access :(
[16:53] <ArGGu^^> pvivek ok
[16:53] <ArGGu^^> but next check if there is ppa repository most apps have
[16:53] <pvivek> ArGGu^^ : What was the right way to  do what i wanted?
[16:54] <ArGGu^^> you add the reposotory then it will replace the current firefox with the aurora
[16:54] <GirlyGirl> ArGGu^^: It won't replace mozilla rebrands alpha releases for linux so you can have both
[16:54] <pvivek> ArGGu^^ : other than ppa repository , i mean it must have been possible for me to be able to do what i wanted to like i mean literally create a link to app in root folder . I wanted both firefox and aurora together
[16:54] <GirlyGirl> ArGGu^^: launching "firefox" will open stable and "aurora" will open alpha
[16:55] <ArGGu^^> "sudo apt-add-repository ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-daily/firefox-aurora" and "sudo apt-get update"
[16:55] <ArGGu^^> GirlyGirl but the package name is same
[16:56] <GirlyGirl> ArGGu^^: Not sure then , I know a while back they had alphas called "minefield" and stable called "aurora"
[16:56] <GirlyGirl> Besides package name is not necessarily executable name
[16:56] <pvivek> ArGGu^^ : i want to make this situation an oppurtunity to learn more about root permissions chown chmod and stuff
[16:57] <Guest30943> how to I install java, such as to play runescape?
[16:57] <ArGGu^^> GirlyGirl no but you can't install two packages with same name
[16:57] <Guest30943> I loaded firefox, but when I click 'install missing plugin' nothing comes up
[16:58] <GirlyGirl> Guest30943: What plugin is this Flash? JRE?
[16:58] <pvivek> GirlyGirl : So i changed the extracted folder name from firefox to aurora and also the contents of it from firefox to aurora and firefox-bin to aurora-bin making it ready to be copied to /usr/lib and /usr/bin (executable) respectively . KBOOM
[16:59] <Guest30943> GirlyGirl: I'm wanting to get icedtea, whatever its called, to use java stuff
[17:00] <ArGGu^^> pvivek but any it is binary so why not just extract it some where in you home and run it from there?
[17:00] <ArGGu^^> *but anyway
[17:00] <Guest30943> and I just tried flash, it doesn't work either. I have already installed 'kubuntu-restricted-extras' so I don't know why it won't work
[17:01] <GirlyGirl> pvivek: You know you could have changed permissions with dolphin its safer and more straightforwar especiallly for a novice
[17:02] <pvivek> GirlyGirl : I didn't know that :(
[17:02] <pvivek> how to do it?
[17:03] <ArGGu^^> Guest16461 icedtead-plugin is the openjdk java plugin
[17:03] <GirlyGirl> pvivek: Roght click the file/folder properties
[17:03] <GirlyGirl> pvivek: Same in WIndows explorer and all file managers
[17:03] <ArGGu^^> Guest11753 if it does not work you can install the sun java
[17:03] <Guest30943> ArGGu^^: thanks, hopefully that'll work
[17:03] <phunyguy_work> there is a third party repo out there for the Oracle JDK package
[17:04] <phunyguy_work> installs the plugin and everything
[17:04] <phunyguy_work> i had issues with icedtea and openjdk
[17:04] <pvivek> GirlyGirl : thanks.
[17:04] <ArGGu^^> Guest11753 if I remeber correctly the sun java is in the canonical partners repositories
[17:04] <phunyguy_work> ArGGu^^: Oracle**  :)
[17:04] <yofel_> ArGGu^^: not anymore, but someone still has packages
[17:05] <Guest30943> ArGGu^^: well, whenever I typed 'java' or 'sun java' into muon software center/package manager, nothing came up
[17:05] <GirlyGirl> phunyguy_work: Its in the repos
[17:05] <phunyguy_work> I found it in a very basic google search
[17:05] <yofel> Guest30943: applications -> system -> package manager
[17:05] <yofel> search there for icedtea
[17:05] <GirlyGirl> Why not openjdk-6-jre
[17:05] <Guest30943> yofel: I tried that =P it wasn't in there
[17:06] <GirlyGirl> Guest30943: Search for "openjdk-6-jre"
[17:06] <yofel> GirlyGirl: that's the JRE, not the browser plugin
[17:06] <yofel> (at least packaging wise)
[17:06] <Linkmaster> I'm fixing up a computer for a friend, forgot that it wasn't on autoidentify
[17:07] <yofel> Linkmaster: put your nickserv password as server password, that'll auto-identify right at connect
[17:07] <Linkmaster> I don't need my bud using my name for IRC, if he ever starts using it
[17:08] <yofel> ah, you're on his system
[17:08] <Linkmaster> yes. and its very strange..beautiful install, not a problem(like internet worked out of the box, very nice) its just flash/java thats being the pain
[17:09] <yofel> hm
[17:09] <yofel> !info icedtea-plugin
[17:09] <yofel> it's there...
[17:10] <Linkmaster> icedtea-plugin worked on the terminal, its bringing in quite a large number of packages, but I think it'll work
[17:21] <BluesKaj> BBL ...stuff to do
[17:40] <Linkmaster> yofel: no luck
[17:41] <yofel> Linkmaster: hm, what are you trying to get to work?
[17:41] <Linkmaster> and niether sun java nor flash show up in muon package manager
[17:42] <yofel> sun java isn't in the archive anymore
[17:42] <Linkmaster> so...how do I get java/flash then??
[17:42] <yofel> but flash should show up. Preferably use 'adobe-flashplugin' from partner
[17:42] <Linkmaster> command prompt is perfectly fine, in fact, preferable
[17:42] <yofel> Linkmaster: openjdk for java?
[17:43] <Linkmaster> The moment I type 'adobe' everything disappears
[17:43] <yofel> Linkmaster: did you enable partner?
[17:43] <Linkmaster> i believe so
[17:43] <yofel> well, what does apt-cache policy adobe-flashplugin say?
[17:44] <Linkmaster> yofel: it wasn't, which is probably why its being screwy with me. I need to depart, I shall inform you of my progress(this should fix it though)
[17:51] <phunyguy_work> OK So I have an issue with KRFB and it not updating the display when I connect.  So i tried x11vnc, and that looks ok, but I can't get the screen to stop blanking (screensaver wont stay gone).  Any help?
[17:51] <phunyguy_work> Thanks in advance
[17:51] <phunyguy_work> Kubuntu 11.10 fwiw
[18:06] <sercik> hi! it is possible fo fix mbr using linux live cd?
[18:06] <sercik> i need to remove grub2 and put standard windows vista code
[18:07] <Peace-> !grub2
[18:09] <genii-around> sercik: It's not possible to install the Windows bootloader from the Kubuntu livecd. You need your Windows cd for that.
[18:17] <oxymoron> Is it possible to make grub2 look beautiful on bootup?
[18:20] <OerHeks> oxymoron, i never see grub2 when booting, but if you want to fancy grub, look at burg, easy to adjust
[18:21] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Burg
[18:22] <oxymoron> OerHeks: I am not sure, maybe I do not use grub2. i have 1.97, grub2 is 1.99 something. I just want the bootprocess to look nice, not heavy graphics, but look clean and nice. Then no text messages at all from grub or the distro.
[18:23] <yofel> oxymoron: grub 1.X is grub2, grub1 was 0.X
[18:24] <yofel> and it's set to be invisible by default if you only have 1 OS
[18:24] <oxymoron> yofel: In package manager it says I have grub and not grub2. Difference, 1.97 and 1.99
[18:24] <oxymoron> yofel: I have two OS:es, but grub thinks I have one because my distro is installed inside Windows.
[18:24] <OerHeks> oh, then this help does not apply > http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/grub-2.html
[18:26] <yofel> oxymoron: you should have grub-pc, which is 1.99
[18:26] <yofel> grub is 0.97
[18:26] <oxymoron> I want vector fonts and not pixelated text for kernels etc in the list and not all version numbers and weird stuff. Then maybe some nice colors.
[18:28] <phunyguy_work> Is there anyone here that can potentially help me with a KTorrent question? (Using for legal downloads fwiw), I am using the Scan Folders plugin, and having it recursively search the scan directory for torrent files.  On one client it works properly by downloading to the same folder it found the .torrent in, and on the other (same settings, OS, version, etc), it downloads to ~/
[18:38] <NTolerance> Is there a good place to get deb packages for plasmoids not in the official repos?  I'm looking for the STDIN and Socket Sentry plasmoids but I'm not able to find debs on Launchpad.
[18:49] <adarshajoisa> what command(s) can i use to get the process that's locking a file?
[18:49] <pteague_work> is there some new trick to opening files in kate via sftp? oneiric seems to make kate eat cpu
[18:49] <NTolerance> adarshajoisa: lsof
[18:52] <adarshajoisa> NTolerance: thanks!
[18:56] <Linkmaster> yofel: no luck :l
[18:56] <yofel> o.O
[18:56] <Linkmaster> flash, java, nothing shows up/works. I don't particularly want to download from the sites, though it appears I'll have to
[18:58] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, kubuntu-restricted-extras
[18:58] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: that was the first thing I installed =P
[18:58] <yofel> Linkmaster: which browser?
[18:59] <Linkmaster> rekonq *and* firefox
[19:00] <kamilnadeem> Hi
[19:01] <yofel> Linkmaster: amd64/i386? oneiric?
[19:02] <kamilnadeem> I have just done a fresh install of Kubuntu 11.10 and updated it and when checking kde version it says 4.7.2 , has it been released officially?
[19:02] <kamilnadeem> Hi yofel
[19:02] <kamilnadeem> brb
[19:02] <Linkmaster> yofel: 11.10 i386
[19:02] <yofel> 4.7.2 is out - 4.7.3 next week
[19:03] <yofel> Linkmaster: hm, I'm on amd64, but flash should still work...
[19:03] <Linkmaster> yofel: I know, and I'm getting slightly frustrated by it. the kid wanted windows, but I couldn't find my CD, so he was like "install linux then" and so I did, he thinks it looks amazing, but the flash/java problem is...well, a problem
[19:04] <yofel> Linkmaster: about:plugins really doesn't show flash or java?
[19:04] <BluesKaj> adobe has finally dev'd a real 64bit flash , not a 32bit that runs in a wrapper
[19:05] <yofel> yeah, but for him it doesn't work on 32bit...
[19:05] <BluesKaj> wow , that's strange
[19:06] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, what does Muon have listed as installed if you type flash
[19:07] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: muon acts retarded, and displays nothing at all
[19:09] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: wait...the software center might be working, give me a bit to monkey around with it
[19:12] <kamilnadeem> I am back
[19:12] <yofel> something's wrong with the search indeed o.O
[19:12] <taganai> what
[19:12] <kamilnadeem> so yofel do I add the kubuntu ppa to get 4.3
[19:12] <yofel> the SC showed me some results for a few seconds and then just cleared the list
[19:12] <yofel> kamilnadeem: 4.7.3 isn't out yet
[19:12] <yofel> but it'll get into the PPA when it's out
[19:13] <taganai> ой ..куда то я нитуда попал
[19:13] <yofel> !ru
[19:13] <kamilnadeem> ok so now no need of adding this ppa sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa right?
[19:13] <yofel> not until next week
[19:13] <taganai> join#ubuntu -ru
[19:13] <kamilnadeem> ok
[19:14] <kamilnadeem> yofel how turn num lock on on every startup
[19:14] <taganai> yofel yes im ru
[19:15] <yofel> kamilnadeem: system settings -> input devices
[19:15] <kamilnadeem> ok , and what was the thing to install to get the preview of video files in  dolphin?
[19:16] <Linkmaster> and....muon froze
[19:16] <Linkmaster> Well, "froze". it still works responds, its just not doing anything
[19:16] <Linkmaster> Well, "froze". it still works responds, its just not doing anything
[19:17] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, mozilla-plugin-vlc .. I use synaptic , muon is klunky
[19:17] <yofel> muon works for me, the SC is klunky
[19:18] <kamilnadeem> yes muon works fine for my self too
[19:18] <BluesKaj> install synaptic in the terminal , so what if it brings some gtklibs along ...it still works well
[19:19] <taganai> hi all ... one more question on this chat people talk only of Kubuntu?
[19:19] <kamilnadeem> have to leave for now , bye everyone
[19:23] <Linkmaster> yofel: flash and stuff shows up now in the package manager...things are so wierd at the moment
[19:27] <BluesKaj>  Linkmaster , about:plugins in yoiur browser
[19:32] <alexdevillx> OMG they tortued it!!! NYAAAAN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUgX4JjhkiY&feature=related
[19:32] <alexdevillx> Ok, how to play video in terminal
[19:33] <Deet`> does LinCity no longer work for kde4?
[19:34] <JustinasLelys> from terminal you just can to launch video player that plays video
[19:34] <Deet`> also: is there any way to get the old pachage manager back? where you can browse the catagories and such?
[19:34] <Deet`> package*
[19:35] <alexdevillx> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t1rMw3WCUM
[19:40] <yofel> Deet`: install 'apper'
[19:40] <Linkmaster> yofel: flash now works, java doesn't...I'll figure it out I think
[19:41] <yofel> Linkmaster: what do you need java for?
[19:41] <Linkmaster> my friend wants to play runescape
[19:43] <BluesKaj> tell to go outside and haul some rocks around :)
[19:44] <Linkmaster> hahah, he's got an addiction, and wondering outside won't help him
[19:44] <Mark_> Hi Girls
[19:44] <yofel> hm, but java shows up in about:plugins?
[19:44] <Linkmaster> let me see
[19:45] <Linkmaster> wait, yeah it does. I went to 'tools -> addons -> plugins' and its in there
[19:45] <TheEvilPhoenix> Mark_:  wrong network
[19:46] <yofel> Linkmaster: if the game still doesn't work then it probably needs the one from oracle
[19:46] <TheEvilPhoenix> ^
[19:46] <TheEvilPhoenix> yofel:  whats the oracle java package name?
[19:46] <Linkmaster> yofel: yeah, thats probably the case
[19:46] <TheEvilPhoenix> is it still java-sun6-blah?
[19:47] <alexdevillx> what?
[19:47] <yofel> trying to find the PPA as it's not in partner anymore
[19:49] <yofel> Linkmaster: http://askubuntu.com/questions/52154/how-do-i-install-the-latest-version-of-sun-java
[19:49] <Linkmaster> yofel: thanks
[19:49] <yofel> TheEvilPhoenix: for those packages that still exist it's indeed sun-java6-*
[19:50] <yofel> although they're unsupported now
[19:50] <TheEvilPhoenix> yofel:  in 11.04?
[19:51] <yofel> in 11.10
[19:52] <TheEvilPhoenix> what about 11.04?
[19:52]  * TheEvilPhoenix hasnt upgraded yet :P
[19:52] <yofel> still in partner
[19:53] <Mamarok> Mark_: you should really behave, sending PMs without asking is very impolite. This is a warning!
[19:53] <Mark_> ok
[19:54] <Mark_> let's to the second warning?
[20:04] <vivimori> ciao
[20:04] <alexdevillx> I'm gonna do linux! SUDOOO
[20:05] <alexdevillx> Ok, how to caca and view video in terminal
[20:05] <alexdevillx> like in ssh
[20:17] <BarkingFish> Hi guys. I asked earlier in here about this, and got disconnected before i got a reply.  I have a new wireless PCI card for my PC, but it has a weird chipset and I don't have drivers in-kernel for it.  I can't do it through ndiswrapper, as it doesn't have a usb ident that I can see. Anyone got ideas on the driver I need please?
[20:17] <BarkingFish> The card is a Netgear WG311 Version 2, running the Texas Instruments ACX111 chipset
[20:28] <genii-around> BarkingFish: What vendor-device code does it have?  eg: the [XXXX:XXX]  result of lspci -nn
[20:28] <al-maisan> Is there a way to filter "has (quit|joined)" messages in quassel?
[20:28] <BarkingFish> hold on a sec, genii-around - I'll get that for you.
[20:30] <BarkingFish> genii-around, 104c:9066
[20:30] <BarkingFish> 03:04.0 Network controller [0280]: Texas Instruments ACX 111 54Mbps Wireless Interface
[20:33] <Euathlus> hey guys who has better compatibility with kubuntu, intel atom (new cedar trail) or amd with c-60? And does Kubuntu support HDMI?
[20:37] <al-maisan>  /msg NickServ identify WryrowEwd_ovMyp5
[20:39] <fumblnoob> How would one go about re-installing audio drivers?  I tried to install a driver direct from realtek and it's now completely hosed.
[20:40] <genii-around> BarkingFish: Apparently somewhere around Jaunty the driver was dropped from Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/428276
[20:42] <genii-around> BarkingFish: You could try with ndiswrapper if you have the Windows drivers handy
[20:43] <JustinasLelys> Hello, if I have KDE 4.7.2 from backports, is there any reason to upgrade to Kubuntu 11.10?
[20:44] <BarkingFish> genii-around, I was always under the impression you couldn't use ndiswrapper on PCI devices, I thought that was for USB only :)
[20:44] <BarkingFish> If I can use ndiswrapper with that code, I may as well give it a shot
[20:44] <BarkingFish> i just have to find the drivers :)
[20:46] <BarkingFish> i'm gonna drop off, see you in a while
[21:09] <vehemoth> I recall seeing something about a special way to view more information about kde proecesses, any ideas what it was?
[21:14] <genii-around> vehemoth: Not offhand. But if you use ksysguard, you can right-click on any process and look at the detailed memory information
[21:26] <vehemoth> genii-around: I think it was to do with seeing kde processes that you couldn't see normally as they run under some daemon or something
[21:26] <vehemoth> I think it was also an option of two command line tools
[21:27] <genii-around> vehemoth: Ah, no idea then, sorry.
[21:28] <vehemoth> genii-around: It's just a tad anoyying that I can't remember what I was reading, but thanks for the help
[21:32] <RandomRoger> Does anyone know how to switch the clock on the panel to 12 hour display ?
[21:33] <vehemoth> anybody know how those docks tell kwin to minimize the window?
[21:43] <yofel> RandomRoger:system settings -> locale -> date and time
[21:43] <yofel> go to time format and read the tooltip
[21:49] <BarkingFish> yofel, I'm glad you posted that, I've been trying to do that for ages. I just followed the tooltip, and my time hasn't changed.
[21:49] <BarkingFish> I'm now set pH:MM:SS AMPM - but my clock is still showing 24H
[21:49] <yofel> logout maybe, I know it didn't change immediately either when I tried ti
[21:49] <BarkingFish> ok, give me a sec and I'll brb
[21:51] <Linkmaster> yo
[21:52] <Linkmaster> * yofel: I still get the "install missing plugin" or a grey screen still
[21:52] <yofel> installed sun java?
[21:52] <Linkmaster> yofel: yes
[21:52] <yofel> removed icedtea?
[21:52] <Linkmaster> no, let me try that
[21:52] <BarkingFish> That got it yofel. I'm running in 12h format now :)
[21:53] <BarkingFish> my click is now displaying like my old digital watch, 10:52 P
[21:55] <Linkmaster> yofel: it works now. I chucked the icedtea/openJDK* off the system, thanks! I completely forgot about removing it
[22:00] <vehemoth> how do I skip an argument in qdbus (Qstring etc.)
[22:03] <hexacode> hey you guys. how do i fix broken pipes? and why do they break?   the way im using them is as follows "mkfifo logpipe" "tail -f logpipe" tail -f access.log access.log.1 >> logpipe"
[22:04] <vehemoth> shouldn't you have | between each command?
[22:06] <vehemoth> eg. mkfifo logpipe | tail -f logpipe | tail -f access.llog access.log.q >> logpipe
[22:07] <natman> anyone have any issues with muon and update icons?
[22:22] <natman> anyone have any issues with muon and update icons?
[22:23] <Wensley> ...oh crap, in order to compile the driver for my wireless card, I need to download make
[22:25] <TheEvilPhoenix>  ubuntu-dev-tools perhaps?
[22:25] <TheEvilPhoenix> :P
[22:26] <KimLaroux> make doesn't come default with Ubuntu anymore?
[22:26] <sithlord48> you need to install build-essental package.
[22:26] <sithlord48> kubuntu is not ubuntu...
[22:26] <TheEvilPhoenix> sithlord48:  ubuntu-dev-tools iirc has makke in it
[22:26] <TheEvilPhoenix> all cli tools
[22:26] <TheEvilPhoenix> iirc, its in the repos :/
[22:27] <sithlord48> that might be so but you want to install the build-essental package. it will get you all the essental stuff for building
[22:28] <TheEvilPhoenix> ^
[22:28] <hexacode> hey you guys. how do i fix broken pipes? and why do they break?   the way im using them is as follows "mkfifo logpipe" "tail -f logpipe" tail -f access.log access.log.1 >> logpipe"
[22:28] <sithlord48> it might even pull the ubuntu-dev-tools package.
[22:29] <vehemoth> hexacode: does this not work? mkfifo logpipe | tail -f logpipe | tail -f access.log access.log.q >> logpipe
[22:30] <hexacode> vehemoth: thats a bit confusing
[22:31] <hexacode> i dont get that first part mkfifo logpipe | tail -f logpipe
[22:31] <hexacode> what are you piping into tail -f ?
[22:32] <vehemoth> hexacode:well I dont get your command, try this cat test.txt | grep text
[22:32] <hexacode> ah let me explain
[22:33] <hexacode> my apache logs, access.log and access.log1  are constantly being written to by apache. they are growing
[22:33] <vehemoth> cat reads the file and pipes it into grep which echo's any lines containing 'text'
[22:33] <hexacode> so if i did cat, it would only give me a moment snapshot
[22:33] <hexacode> but
[22:33] <vehemoth> hexacode: it was just an example
[22:34] <hexacode> well the pipe is dead
[22:34] <hexacode> i dont know why
[22:34] <hexacode> it has died twice on me
[22:34] <hexacode> it worked like all day then died
[22:34] <natman> i dont get any update icon from Muon, after my fresh install of kubuntu 11.10 - any ideas?
[22:36] <vehemoth> hexacode: okay now I see what mkfifo does, I just use | to pipe it but I'm assuming there's a reason you are using mkfifo. if so then I suggest asking in #bash as you will likely get better help than I can provide
[22:37] <hexacode> hey thanks for trying though
[23:34] <bubu_> help
[23:34] <bubu_> :)
[23:34] <bubu_> #help
[23:34] <bubu_> .help
[23:55] <Wensley> oh ugh, my wireless card manufacturer only supplies drivers for linux kernel 2.6... what are the odds of that driver still working on 3.0?