[07:04] <dholbach> good morning
[07:09] <nigelb> सुप्रभात
[07:51] <nigelb> lol, Air France strike.
[07:51] <nigelb> Fond memories of getting screwed over by Air India for Budapest.
[09:11]  * dholbach hugs popey
[09:12] <dholbach> popey, I'm sure we can find some SAP work for you
[09:13]  * nigelb hugs popey as well
[09:13] <nigelb> popey: AMAZING :)
[09:13] <nigelb> So, first person to quit ~not-canonical? ;)
[09:14] <Pendulum> morning
[09:14] <nigelb> Pendulum: I'd argue its still night for you :)
[09:15] <Pendulum> nigelb: it's after 5AM
[09:15] <Pendulum> perfectly acceptable time to get up :P
[09:15] <nigelb> hah
[09:16]  * AlanBell sends email to popey@canonical.com
[09:17] <nigelb> I wonder what popey's going to shutdown now :P
[09:20] <dholbach> nigelb, yeah, my first thought was "I hope we can still borrow him to shut down mailing lists"
[09:20] <AlanBell> I think popey needs to be famous for something else!
[09:20] <nigelb> dholbach: heh
[09:21] <Pendulum> dholbach: I think it was earlier in the week that I actually suggested that he get paid to get all the trolls off ubuntu-user ;-)
[09:22] <dholbach> I wonder which kind of requirements would be listed in such a job description
[09:23] <nigelb> - Must have eternal patience.
[09:23] <nigelb> Done.
[09:24] <Pendulum> hard-as-nails
[09:25] <nigelb> - Should be able to read reddit for 24 hours and not be homicidal.
[09:25] <nigelb> That works as well and is good training for such a job :)
[09:26] <dholbach> I'm sure that wouldn't work well with many many work regulations across the world :)
[09:26] <nigelb> hehe
[09:29] <nigelb> I'm fairly surprised popey didn't announce what he is going to be doing
[09:31] <nigelb> AlanBell: Have there been other departures from the not-canonical team?
[09:31] <AlanBell> first one
[09:31] <nigelb> I just realized it was only Admins who can see that :/
[09:34] <AlanBell> hmm, we are down one admin now. Maybe pleia2 should make someone a new admin.
[09:34] <nigelb> o/ interested!
[09:48] <nigelb> HAHAHA
[09:48] <nigelb> https://twitter.com/#!/tonywhitmore/status/129856714177654784
[09:59] <popey> AlanBell: yeah, i only made lyz owner rather than you because i figured you would spot it sooner if I did that
[09:59] <popey> and I knew she was travelling :D
[10:00] <AlanBell> the notification went to a folder so I didn't see it for a bit
[10:00] <nigelb> hah
[10:01] <nigelb> popey: so, what are you going to be doing at Canonical?
[10:01]  * nigelb refrains from asking "what are you going to shut down"
[10:01] <popey> that worked then AlanBell :D
[10:02] <AlanBell> it did!
[10:03] <popey> ← devious
[10:03] <nigelb> heh
[10:03] <popey> of course I could have left not-canonical later
[10:04] <nigelb> Engineering Manager \o/
[10:04] <Pendulum> popey: I'm not sure if you'd be scared or pleased to know that all except 2 PM conversations I've had in the last 12 hours have started out with "do you know what popey's doing at Canonical now?"
[10:04] <popey> lol
[10:04] <popey> Shutting down mailing lists it seems.
[10:05] <nigelb> I loved tony's tweet
[10:05] <Pendulum> popey: I just figure you'd tell us, but you'd have to kill us afterwards and while that's one way to get new blood in Ubuntu community leadership, I'm not sure it's what the feedback on the survey actually meant ;-)
[10:05] <AlanBell> I do think the "shutting down things" meme is a little overdone
[10:06] <AlanBell> we can #blamepopey for so much more than that
[10:06] <nigelb> "sutting down things" meme got maxium publicity
[10:06] <nigelb> Pendulum: lol
[10:08] <Pendulum> popey: more important question, were you hired soon enough that you'll be at UDS? :P
[10:08] <nigelb> *most* important question
[10:09] <popey> heh
[10:09] <popey> I start on monday
[10:09] <popey> dunno if I will be at UDS or not
[10:10] <nigelb> But definitely at the next one?
[10:10] <nigelb> Okay, hopefully.
[10:10]  * popey shrugs
[10:10] <popey> like i say, dunno where I will be on monday let alone in 6 months
[10:10] <nigelb> heh
[10:10] <nigelb> working from home?
[10:11] <popey> I guess
[10:12] <czajkowski> heh
[10:15] <nigelb> popey: You still be working on the other project?
[10:16] <popey> in spare time, yeah
[10:16] <nigelb> \o/
[11:16] <Daviey> hahahha, spare time.
[11:18] <popey> :D
[11:18] <popey> It's 9-5 right?
[11:21]  * Pendulum hugs popey 
[11:22] <Daviey> popey: Yeah, i think you'll find that it is 9-5.. with the timezone being any that is valid to make those times woring hours, at any point.
[11:31] <mhall119> spare time, heh
[11:33] <Pendulum> has anyone noted anywhere on any UDS things that the US & Canada change off Daylight Savings a week later than Europe does?
[11:34] <Pendulum> and that the week where the US is on DS and Europe isn't is the week of UDS?
[11:34] <Pendulum> (so, for example, 4 hour time difference between the US and UK next week rather than 5)
[11:34] <AlanBell> oh, interesting
[11:35] <Pendulum> I just realised I hadn't seen it mentioned anywhere and it could definitely effect remote participation
[11:35]  * Pendulum wonders who to poke
[11:36] <AlanBell> what do you suggest should be done?
[11:37] <czajkowski> a note to remind people re their flights :)
[11:37] <czajkowski> or onm top of schedule ?
[11:37] <Pendulum> yeah
[11:37] <AlanBell> flights should be fine, you will get on the plane at the same time
[11:37] <Pendulum> I was thinking a note on the remote participation page
[11:38] <Pendulum> since those are the people most likely to need to know
[11:38] <czajkowski> nods
[11:39] <AlanBell> so 9AM->1PM UK time
[11:39] <Pendulum> next week that is correct
[11:39] <Pendulum> I'm sending out an e-mail about UDS to the Accessibility team and in my section about remote participation, I'm putting in a reminder
[11:40] <nigelb> Pendulum: Figure out what to write
[11:40] <nigelb> I can edit uds.ubuntu.com :)
[11:41] <nigelb> so can cjohnston, jcastro, or lyz.
[11:42] <nigelb> Daviey: "spare time" is a myth isn't it? :P
[11:44] <Pendulum> "Please note that the US does not switch back to standard time until Sunday November 6, 2011, while Europe will have switched back on Sunday October 30. Please double check that you know what the time difference is for you from Orlando."
[11:44] <Pendulum> does that sound about right?
[11:45] <nigelb> We should mention Daylight Savings somewhere
[11:46] <Pendulum> Please note that the US will still be on Daylight Savings Time and does not switch back... ?
[11:46] <nigelb> Yeah
[11:46] <nigelb> That's better :)
[11:46] <Pendulum> also, something should probably get mentioned on UDS announce
[11:46] <nigelb> "Standard time" might be confusing
[11:46] <nigelb> I wwas writing an email :)
[11:46] <Pendulum> ta :)
[11:49] <nigelb> and done.
[11:52] <nigelb> Pendulum: Does putting a note on http://uds.ubuntu.com/participate/remote/ sound good?
[11:52] <Pendulum> yes
[11:55] <nigelb> ALSO
[11:55] <nigelb> so many fun events this UDS.
[11:55] <nigelb> :/
[11:56] <nigelb> Pendulum: Updated, does it look good?
[11:57] <nigelb> gah, it looks misplaced.
[11:57] <Pendulum> yeah, I'd change the placement to after the link about plenaries
[11:57] <Pendulum> and then it'll look better
[11:58] <nigelb> \o/ https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/uds-announce/2011-October/000079.html
[11:58] <nigelb> Pendulum: Done!
[11:59] <nigelb> jcastro: FYI, Pendulum and I added a Daylight Sayings Time section on http://uds.ubuntu.com/participate/remote/
[12:20] <Pendulum> I wonder how many Europeans have forgotten that their time change is this weekend, anyway
[12:20] <Pendulum> (luckily I think this is the direct where if they were to go to the airport it would just get them there an hour early instead of late)
[12:40] <popey> not sure most people care these days do they
[12:40] <popey> clocks switch automatically
[12:40] <popey> extra hour in the pub tho
[12:41] <Pendulum> well, my parents are on holiday in Europe without a computer or anything else so they care
[12:41] <Pendulum> (all they have is my mum's watch and a travel alarm clock)
[12:41] <Pendulum> and it's probably useful in case something doesn't switch like it's supposed to
[12:43] <nigelb> popey: All clocks?
[12:43]  * mhall119 is slowing adjusting himself into thinking in UTC
[12:43] <popey> most
[12:43] <nigelb> mhall119: Me too.
[12:43] <mhall119> nigelb: all of the clocks!
[12:44] <nigelb> mhall119: Nice use of the meme :P
[12:45] <nigelb> popey: you dont use analog clock or does those switch too?
[12:45] <popey> i have no analog clocks in the house
[12:45] <popey> oh, one, in Sams room
[12:45] <nigelb> Nice
[12:46] <nigelb> I sorta imagined you'd have a Cuckoo clock ;)
[12:47] <nigelb> This is excellent morning read - http://thestallmandialogues.com/
[12:53] <snap-l> If I were king, every clock would use the atomic radio to calibrate itself.
[12:53] <snap-l> WWVB here in the USA
[12:56] <snap-l> Also, when I'm king, we'll never have Daylight Savings time again.
[12:57] <snap-l> It will be abolished
[13:12] <topyli> boo too many email accounts. account switching should be automatic. "when sending to ubuntu lists, always use ubuntu address." shouldn't be impossible
[13:26] <AlanBell> topyli: you can subscribe with multiple addresses and turn off delivery on the ones you don't want to get mail to
[13:27] <topyli> AlanBell: yeah, i know. but i'd prefer actually doing the right thing :)
[13:27] <nigelb> Or you could write a whole new email client to do that.
[13:27] <nigelb> I mean. its not impossible ;)
[13:28] <topyli> maybe i'll just do the same as always and whine while gmail doesn't offer that :)
[13:36] <Pendulum> oh crap, we could get 8-9" of snow tomorrow
[13:36] <Pendulum> it better be clear by Sunday!
[13:37] <nigelb> ouch
[13:37] <Pendulum> okay, supposed to be sunny on Sunday
[13:37] <Pendulum> so it's just tomorrow that should be bad
[13:41] <Pendulum> I would be majorly annoyed if this kept me from UDS
[14:22] <nigelb> topyli: You probably gave me the idea for a thunderbird addon.
[14:22] <nigelb> Now I know what I'll be doig this weekend :)
[14:23] <topyli> <3
[14:23] <nigelb> I have no clue what I'm doing. I'm going through documentation :P
[14:27] <czajkowski> Pendulum: it had better now :)
[14:27] <czajkowski> not
[14:53] <dholbach> hey jono
[14:54] <nigelb> Apparently its raining in Orlando.
[14:54] <nigelb> Which sounds less fun :)
[14:54] <mhall119> nigelb: not anymore, it stopped an hour or so ago
[14:54] <mhall119> in Lakeland anyway
[14:54] <dholbach> jono, raining? that's not what I signed up for - I'm not coming
[14:55] <nigelb> lol
[14:55] <nigelb> dholbach: Take some of that sunshine with you :P
[14:55] <dholbach> umbrellas, yes - but only the small ones for the magheritas
[14:55] <mhall119> dholbach: it's okay, because it's still 80F
[14:55]  * dholbach takes out the calculator...........
[14:55] <nigelb> dholbach: 21 C
[14:55] <maco> dholbach: about 25C
[14:55] <maco> ok or 21
[14:55] <dholbach> 26 something
[14:55] <mhall119> lol
[14:55] <nigelb> err 26
[14:55] <dholbach> not too bad then :)
[14:55] <maco> hah
[14:56] <maco> woo my quick estimate was close
[14:56] <mhall119> I thought there was an accurage conversion
[14:56] <maco> i ballparked 25 from knowing that 90 is about 32
[14:56] <mhall119> dholbach: the rain itself is that temperature too
[14:56] <maco> calculators...pfft
[14:56] <maco> mhall119: so its like a bath falling from the sky?
[14:56] <mhall119> essentially, yes
[14:57] <mhall119> only it's stopped now
[14:57] <mhall119> so it's like a sauna
[14:57] <nigelb> I still think I should invite all of you guys for a proper Indian monsoon :)
[14:57] <mhall119> nigelb: we have a hurricane in the gulf of mexico right now
[14:59] <maco> i think dc can dress up and play monsoon just fine
[14:59] <maco> thankfully it rarely bothers to do so for more than an hour at a time
[15:00] <nigelb> We have rains that start one day morning and go on till the next morning :)
[15:00] <nigelb> Bangalore, thankfully, is more calmer.
[15:00] <maco> dc gets more rain than london, it just compresses an entire 24hr worth of rain into 30-60 minutes
[15:00] <nigelb> lol
[15:00] <maco> you feel a couple big slow raindrops, you RUN for cover
[15:01] <nigelb> I remember driving the bike in rain once with a visibility of about 20 meters
[15:01] <nigelb> That was fun.
[15:01] <mhall119> nigelb: I remember doing that in a car
[15:01] <mhall119> with about half the visibility
[15:01] <nigelb> mhall119: Its probably saner in a car ;)
[15:01] <nigelb> I didn't have a helmet or raincoat.
[15:02] <maco> your mother let you out without a helmet?
[15:02] <mhall119> neither did I
[15:02] <maco> mhall119: if it wasnt a convertible i dont think you needed the raincoat
[15:02] <maco> :P
[15:02] <nigelb> maco: It was driving back and it was actually some of the inner roads with less trafic.
[15:02] <nigelb> It was sunny when we went out
[15:05] <popey> \o/ flight to UDS booked
[15:05] <nigelb> HA
[15:05] <nigelb> popey: I KNEW IT
[15:05] <popey> surprised the ETSA thing went through immediately
[15:06] <popey> I thought it took hours
[15:06] <nigelb> Is that why you didn't commit?
[15:06] <nigelb> (whether you're going or not)
[15:06] <nigelb> Hrm, I thought Britan needed a visa for US.
[15:06] <czajkowski> my esta was valid since dallas
[15:06] <maco> no
[15:06] <maco> the UK is one of the 5 Eyes
[15:06] <maco> or is that Is
[15:06] <popey> czajkowski: mine expired 7 days ago
[15:06] <Pendulum> popey: yay!!!!
[15:06] <maco> i dont know ive only heard it pronounced!
[15:07] <czajkowski> popey: mine expires nove 4th but tis fine while i am there
[15:07] <maco> US, UK, Canada, Australia, NZ
[15:07] <popey> nigelb: no, i didnt commit because I only knew I was supposed to go this morning, so got flight booked
[15:07] <czajkowski> popey: yay
[15:08] <akgraner> popey, cool beans glad you'll be here too :-)
[15:08] <nigelb> popey: \o/
[15:08] <nigelb> popey: But glad you're going :)
[15:08] <popey> I expect I will be very busy
[15:08] <akgraner> popey, when isn't it :-)
[15:08] <popey> :D
[15:08] <akgraner> (or you rather)
[15:53] <mhall119> popey: talk about last minute planning
[15:53] <mhall119> popey: are you going for UDS, or is your team sprinting?
[15:54] <nigelb> mhall119: I think i have to give popey my last minute award
[15:55] <mhall119> nigelb: how many hours did you have to spare?
[15:55]  * mhall119 assumes popey has < 24 hours before his flight
[15:56] <nigelb> mhall119: Well, I had about one month to plan. But when I hate ticket + passport in my hand, I had like 7 hours.
[15:56] <nigelb> Tickets were booked the previous night
[15:56] <Pendulum> mhall119: probably more like <48, but it's still about as close as I know
[15:56] <dholbach> alright my friends - have to catch a train - have a great WE
[15:56] <mhall119> hmmm, nigelb may still be the champ
[15:56] <mhall119> dholbach: see you Sunday?
[15:56] <dholbach> yep
[15:57] <mhall119> cool, have a safe trip
[15:57] <dholbach> thanks
[15:57] <nigelb> dholbach: Have fun :)
[15:57] <dholbach> see you
[15:57] <jcastro> HELLO!
[15:57] <nigelb> jcastro: HEY!
[15:57] <nigelb> jcastro: Did you see my ping about updating content?
[15:57] <nigelb> I added a timezone alert to the remote participation page.
[15:59] <popey> mhall119: not flying till monday
[15:59] <Daviey> slacker
[15:59] <popey> I'm not insured until I start working for the company :p
[15:59] <nigelb> hah, I get to keep my prize :P
[15:59] <popey> filed as excuse 231.
[16:00] <nigelb> popey: fly at Monday 00:00?
[16:00] <nigelb> popey: How's the wife?
[16:00]  * popey notes not many planes fly at that time
[16:00] <popey> much better thanks
[16:00]  * AlanBell updates ubingo.libertus.co.uk to add the string "popey"
[16:00] <nigelb> :)
[16:00] <popey> lol
[16:01] <nigelb> AlanBell: we need orchestra in there
[16:01] <AlanBell> done
[16:01] <nigelb> and juju, charms
[16:02] <popey> are android, ipad, chrome and iphone in ?
[16:02] <nigelb> android, arm, 64-bit
[16:02] <AlanBell> done, and ensemble
[16:02] <nigelb> Someday, I'll get to see a UDS in Asia.
[16:03] <nigelb> I meant to ask Mark that last time. Completely forgot.
[16:03] <AlanBell> http://pad.ubuntu.com/precisewords
[16:03] <nigelb> aha
[16:03]  * nigelb starts adding
[16:03] <AlanBell> feel free to remove as well
[16:05] <nigelb> Doesn't China have Ubuntu sold in shops now?
[16:07] <AlanBell> yup
[16:07] <AlanBell> I think that page could perhaps benefit from some cosmetic tweaks
[16:07] <nigelb> I remember playing ubingo last time with bac sitting next to me and Jane next to him
[16:08] <nigelb> Srsly awesome :)
[16:08] <popey> just realised I'll be on a plane when you lot are playing
[16:08] <nigelb> popey: We'll hope you'll be on a plane with wifi
[16:08] <popey> hah, no chance
[16:09] <popey> I dont think Virgin Atlantic does airborne wifi
[16:09] <nigelb> I think it does.
[16:09] <nigelb> Virgin is known to have wifi.
[16:09] <nigelb> Not if Atlantic has it though
[16:09] <nigelb> someone I know got a chromebook for the duration of his flight.
[16:10] <AlanBell> http://virginatlantic.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/318
[16:10] <nigelb> aww
[16:27] <AlanBell> speeded up the loading time now, not using web fonts now that the ubuntu font is installed by default
[16:32] <jcastro> nigelb: good idea wrt. time zone
[16:33] <nigelb> jcastro: Pendulum remembered to do it. I was glad I was around and had access :)
[17:20] <nigelb> jcastro: LOL.
[17:21] <nigelb> jcastro: first plenary "Introduction and Keynote" was scheduled for the 'grand ballroom' room in... Budapest
[18:33] <AlanBell> does summit have an output which is just a big old list of sessions?
[18:34] <nigelb> Nope ^-^
[18:34] <nigelb> There is an API thhough
[18:37] <AlanBell> I might make a nice page of stuff
[18:40] <bkerensa> AlanBell: How does a LoCo make use of meetingology
[18:40] <AlanBell> you saw it arrive :)
[18:41] <AlanBell> markdude just asked for it
[18:41] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
[18:42] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/Meeting/Guidelines  < how we do meetings in -uk
[18:50]  * AlanBell is making a list schedule for UDS Quintisential Quoll
[18:55] <nigelb> AlanBell: lol, it was on my list to put into work items
[18:55] <nigelb> AlanBell: Thanks :D
[18:56] <mhall119> AlanBell: I want to add LTP integration into meetingology, should I fork it is there a way to make it a plugin or something?
[18:57] <AlanBell> feel free to fork
[18:57] <AlanBell> I am happy to help as well
[18:58] <bkerensa> AlanBell: Actually I didnt :P but now I do... So it will just idle in channel permanently?
[18:58] <popey> AlanBell: i think you mean Quintisential Quagga
[18:58] <AlanBell> bkerensa: yes
[18:58] <quagga> I agree!
[18:59] <nigelb> what the..
[18:59] <nigelb> hah popey.
[18:59] <popey> :D
[18:59] <AlanBell> squatter!
[18:59] <popey> i registered the nick to spoil pangolin / idleone
[18:59] <nigelb> lol
[19:00] <AlanBell> quagga is extinct
[19:00] <nigelb> We should call the 'R' one "Rolling Rick" in honor of Rick Astley, rick rolling, and THE INTERNET.
[19:01] <AlanBell> not Rampant Rabbit then :(
[19:02] <popey> seen many jackalopes recently?
[19:03] <AlanBell> don't tell me they have gone extinct too!
[19:04] <pangolin> popey: y u no love me
[19:04] <quagga> it's not that I dont love you
[19:04] <quagga> it's that I wanted to get in before you
[19:04] <quagga> IN B4 IDLEONE
[19:05] <quagga> and I predict that quagga is 12.10
[19:05] <pangolin> Well, I am flattered
[19:05] <quagga> really?
[19:05] <quagga> hmm
[19:05] <quagga> I failed there then
[19:05] <quagga> ;)
[19:05] <pangolin> no but seemed appropriate
[19:06] <snap-l> I nominate Rolling Rook for the R release.
[19:07] <snap-l> Would be perfect if Ubuntu ever gets Rolling releases, but I'm not holding my breath
[19:07] <popey> I still dont see the fascination with rolling releases
[19:08] <snap-l> popey: All the cool kids have them
[19:08] <popey> well, I can see an argument for a stable debian unstable
[19:08] <popey> clearly
[19:08] <snap-l> It's like the trapper-keeper of the Linux world.
[19:08] <snap-l> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trapper_Keeper for those playing at home)
[19:30] <topyli> debian unstable doesn't have to be stable. we have ubuntu for that
[19:30] <topyli> sid is fine just the way it's always been
[19:45] <jcastro> mhall119: hey how often is the cron job running to autoschedule?
[19:46] <jcastro> AlanBell: someone made a list view
[19:46] <jcastro> it's posted on ubuntu-devel in response to one of my threads
[19:50] <jcastro> hey AlanBell
[19:50] <jcastro> and pleia2
[19:50] <jcastro> and nigelb
[19:50] <jcastro> so, IS wants to put etherpad behind single sign on
[19:50] <jcastro> and he will automagically add ubuntu members, the loco teams etc.
[19:50] <nigelb> will IS write the code?
[19:50] <jcastro> but he wants a moderated team so normal people can apply and get access
[19:51] <jcastro> yeah
[19:51] <jcastro> they're just putting it behind the normal SSO
[19:51] <nigelb> FOR THIS UDS/
[19:51] <nigelb> ?
[19:51] <jcastro> yeah
[19:51] <nigelb> That's wtf :/
[19:51] <jcastro> well, remember the spam last time?
[19:51] <nigelb> But it was revertable.
[19:51] <nigelb> :(
[19:51] <jcastro> why :(?
[19:52] <nigelb> Well, I don't mind it
[19:52] <jcastro> we put everything else behind SSO
[19:52] <nigelb> I do mind the last minuteness.
[19:52] <nigelb> meh, lets do it
[19:52] <jcastro> yeah well, that's their problem. :)
[19:52] <nigelb> create a team, add ~ubuntumembers in it by default.
[19:52] <jcastro> yeah so, when he tells me what the team is, I will add a bunch of us to it
[19:52] <jcastro> right
[19:52] <jcastro> and the groups that make sense
[19:52] <nigelb> Wait
[19:52] <nigelb> Only people in one team get access?
[19:52] <jcastro> but we'll need to accept people who want to apply to go to etherpad
[19:52] <jcastro> no
[19:52] <jcastro> he's automatically adding members and locos
[19:53] <jcastro> this is another team for say, OMG ubuntu reader that doesn't have any team accounts but wants to participate.
[19:53] <jcastro> so it'll be like the font interest group.
[19:53] <nigelb> can he at least read the content?
[19:53] <jcastro> I think so
[19:53] <jcastro> I will ask
[19:53] <jcastro> bbias
[19:53] <nigelb> yeah
[19:53]  * nigelb sleeps
[19:54] <nigelb> catch up with mhall119 or cjohnston as well.
[19:58] <AlanBell> hi jcastro
[20:00] <AlanBell> wow, sso for etherpad on friday evening before UDS, interesting idea
[20:02] <AlanBell> jcastro: make some people who are not at UDS admins of the team
[20:03] <jcastro> AlanBell: yea so I was going to just add you guys if that's ok
[20:03] <AlanBell> who is coding this up?
[20:03] <nigelb> AlanBell: Everything is awesome last minute :)
[20:04] <nigelb> At AlanBell should connect with whoever is coding this up :)
[20:06] <AlanBell> I guess they will be doing it at the haproxy level
[20:07] <AlanBell> which would probably mean no unauthenticated access at all
[20:08] <jcastro> it's basically just flipping a switch in apache
[20:08] <jcastro> hey so I talked to elmo
[20:08] <jcastro> and everyone in ubuntu members will be able to admin the team
[20:09] <jcastro> and then when people go and can't get in he will have a banner telling people to go to the team and apply
[20:09] <nigelb> can we figure out who's spamming and later kick them out?
[20:09] <jcastro> well last time I guess it was a big problem
[20:09] <jcastro> and he doesn't want an IS guy sitting there all day watching the pad for people being bad
[20:10] <jcastro> and the team will be in the irc topic and stuff telling them what team to apply to
[20:10] <nigelb> cool, ok.
[20:10] <nigelb> I just wish we planned this earlier
[20:10] <nigelb> I'm happy for this change and all.
[20:11] <AlanBell> so they have apache as a reverse proxy in front of it or something?
[20:11] <AlanBell> urls like http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/ep/pad/view/WhatShouldPopeyTakeToTheUSA/latest could perhaps be excluded from the authentication requirement
[20:11] <nigelb> Yeah.
[20:12] <nigelb> anything with /ep/
[20:16] <popey> :D
[20:17] <jcastro> nigelb: well on the plus side, everything is working!
[20:17] <AlanBell> in what way?
[20:22] <mhall119> new blog post: http://mhall119.com/2011/10/to-the-cloud/
[20:35] <mhall119> jcastro: yoo hoo, where are you?
[20:35] <mhall119> don't make me come over there
[20:35] <jcastro> yo
[20:35] <mhall119> jcastro: ah, there you are
[20:36] <mhall119> I'm told you're the man to see about getting my post syndicated to the cloud portal
[20:36] <jcastro> yep
[20:36] <jcastro> on it now
[20:37] <mhall119> thanks
[20:37] <jcastro> nice work
[20:37] <jcastro> that's nice dude
[20:38] <jcastro> mhall119: done
[20:40] <mhall119> jcastro: you rock, thanks
[20:41] <nigelb> lol
[20:41] <nigelb> what popey should take to the US has "Bird Flu" as an entry
[20:42] <nigelb> and DD-MM-YYYY
[20:43] <mhall119> as long as he doesn't have "metric" on the list
[20:43] <nigelb> HHAHAHA
[20:43] <nigelb> "Me."
[20:44] <nigelb> "The Queen"
[20:45] <mhall119> popey can keep his Monarchs, thank you very much
[20:46] <AlanBell> mhall119: I am sure you would prefer to be a subject really
[20:46] <mhall119> AlanBell: if we've proven anything, it's that we only like monarchs *before* the ascend to the throne.  You know, when they're still young and story-book like.
[20:47] <maco> mhall119: also when theyre really just actors
[20:47] <maco> like at rennfest or medieval times castle
[20:47] <AlanBell> I have this theory that our monarchy serves the equivalent constitutional purpose of your gun laws
[20:47] <maco> to overthrow the government?
[20:47] <AlanBell> yes
[20:47] <maco> i mean... <<  >>
[20:48] <maco> yall overthrew the monarchy once though
[20:48] <nigelb> lol
[20:48] <AlanBell> not to overthrow the government as such
[20:49] <AlanBell> the army is loyal to the crown
[20:49] <nigelb> Ok, sleep attempt #2.
[20:49] <nigelb> g'nite
[20:49] <mhall119> man, if I keep blogging like this, I'm gonna have to upgrade to an m1.small instance
[20:49] <AlanBell> the queen lends her army to the government and lets them use it
[20:50] <AlanBell> and the government pays for it
[20:50] <mhall119> AlanBell: I thought you meant an unused relic for conservatives to cling to out of misplaced patriotic zeal
[20:50] <AlanBell> that too
[21:06] <Pendulum> urgh, our snow prediction has gone up to 10-15"
[21:06] <Pendulum> tomorrow night
[21:08] <AlanBell> oh no
[21:08] <AlanBell> you fly sunday?
[21:09] <Pendulum> yeah
[21:09] <Pendulum> trying to decide best plan of action
[21:12] <AlanBell> that is airport closing kind of snow
[21:12] <Pendulum> yeah
[21:12] <AlanBell> not just getting to the airport kind of a problem
[21:12] <Pendulum> right
[21:12] <Pendulum> I'm worried
[21:12] <Pendulum> trying to figure out who I should call/e-mail about plan of action
[21:13] <Pendulum> I'm hoping that because it's not supposed to get much below freezing that instead it'll stay just above freezing and all be rain instead
[21:14] <AlanBell> flying from Boston?
[21:18] <Pendulum> no, I'm flying from a smaller local airport
[21:19] <Pendulum> but I'm thinking the Boston folks should have the same problem and I would assume at least one or two people are flying from there
[21:19] <AlanBell> Logan is right on the sea, they shouldn't get too much snow there
[21:22] <Pendulum> yeah, but that's 2 hours away from me
[21:22] <Pendulum> more in snow
[21:23] <AlanBell> could you reschedule to a flight from Logan and travel to central Boston tomorrow and stay over in a hotel or something?
[21:23] <Pendulum> probably not easily
[21:23] <Pendulum> would be easier to just leave from here tomorrow
[21:24] <Pendulum> it's not supposed to snow until the evening
[21:24] <Pendulum> have sent an e-mail to my cat sitter to see if they'd be able to take the kitten a day earlier
[21:24] <AlanBell> that sounds like a good plan if you can
[21:25] <AlanBell> just don't get snowed in at an airport
[21:25] <Pendulum> mhall119: are you around?
[21:27] <Pendulum> okay being told to stick to original plan for now
[21:29] <AlanBell> taxi to the airport on Sunday then?
[21:29] <Pendulum> yeah
[21:30] <czajkowski> wonder is huats flights affected due to air france strikes
[21:31] <Pendulum> *nods*
[21:31] <Pendulum> stupid weather and stupid strikes
[21:35] <jcastro> AlanBell: hey can you hang in #canonical-is?
[21:35] <jcastro> elmo might need to ping you wrt. the group
[21:35] <czajkowski> Pendulum: me and snow do not go
[21:35] <AlanBell> no such channel jcastro, I joined -isd but you are not in it
[21:36] <nigelb> AlanBell: #canonical-sysadmins is probably the one he meant.
[21:36] <nigelb> *sysadmin
[21:36] <czajkowski> AlanBell: #canonical-sysadmin
[21:36] <AlanBell> joined that now
[21:36] <jcastro> ah sorry!
[21:37] <jcastro> thanks!
[21:37] <nigelb> Let me try this sleep thing again.
[21:37] <nigelb> cjohnston woke me up the last time with a phone call :P
[21:40] <mhall119> Pendulum: I am
[22:04] <czajkowski> oh it looks like ireland has elected our 9th president
[22:05] <czajkowski> 1st one in 14 years not to be a female
[22:05] <maco> were there a lot of repeats taht arent being counted, or did you just switch to having a president in the last 50 years-ish?
[22:06] <mhall119> czajkowski: congrats, it's a shame the British still haven't learned about this whole republican thing
[22:07] <czajkowski> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=President_of_Ireland
[22:07] <czajkowski> maco: we've had a president of Ireland since 1938
[22:08] <maco> its weird to think of there being anything "recent" about ireland
[22:08] <czajkowski> well considering we'
[22:08] <maco> like....old ancient buildings and such, odd to think your government is so new
[22:08] <czajkowski> well considering we've just elected our 9th it shows you how young it is
[22:08] <czajkowski> and a term is 7 years renewed once
[22:09] <czajkowski> maco: well there is a difference in the history
[22:09] <czajkowski> pre president and post :)
[22:09] <maco> im sure, though tbh i dont know what was going on there before england got involved with ulster and all
[22:09] <maco> can you recommend a good book on irish history?
[22:10] <AlanBell> um, England was involved with the rest of it
[22:10] <czajkowski> actually the last 3 presidents were females as the current one ran for two terms
[22:10] <czajkowski> maco: one day I'm gonna send you some history books to read
[22:11] <czajkowski> you amaze me each tiome you bring up eu history specifcally england and irish history
[22:11] <maco> AlanBell: i mentioned ulster just bc of hte ulster scots and the incentives to repopulate
[22:11] <maco> czajkowski: most we get here is "there was potato famine" ... even that there had been a conflict with northern ireland and the republic and all i only heard of from the History Channel
[22:12] <maco> hell, i learned only a couple weeks ago that the England had a civil war!
[22:13] <maco> remove taht "the"
[22:13] <czajkowski> everyone takes history and georgraphy till they are 15/16 aka junior cert level and it';s not just irish history or georgraphy you are taught.
[22:14] <maco> we learn geography...memorize all the countries in africa, be able to label all the countries in western europe on a map with no words
[22:14] <czajkowski> then leaving cert it gets a lot more detailed and history turns mostly into essay style questions and georgrahy becomes very detailed on mountains rivers and what areas specalise in what over /eu
[22:14] <maco> but eastern europe and asia are pretty well left off
[22:14] <Pendulum> maco: there have been multiple English civil wars
[22:14] <maco> though that "be able to list all countries in africa" was in 3rd grade so i couldnt do it anymore
[22:14] <maco> Pendulum: oh. im thinking of 1649
[22:14] <Pendulum> what do you think they call the American Revolution?
[22:14] <AlanBell> and we won them all \o/
[22:15] <maco> Pendulum: the...american...revolution?
[22:15] <Pendulum> AlanBell: except ours :P
[22:15] <AlanBell> Pendulum: ah, but that was an away game
[22:15] <czajkowski> http://breakingnews.ie/racetothearas/ is interesting to watch as one of the canidates was a sinn fein person
[22:15] <czajkowski> i really had hoped norris would get it
[22:15] <AlanBell> we don't call it a civil war anyway
[22:16] <AlanBell> it was the american war of independence
[22:16] <maco> czajkowski: my european history course in high school had the obligatory 1066, then some jumping over for charlemagne, some napoleon, dante alighieri... the UK is nowhere in there between 1066 and WWI
[22:17] <AlanBell> it was a fairly dull period mostly
[22:17] <maco> AlanBell: he must be the king. he aint got shit on him
[22:17] <maco> </bad monty python quoting>
[22:18] <maco> AlanBell: so what other times did you have a civil war besides "off with charlie's head"?
[22:18] <czajkowski> maco: we had to learn about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_and_Tans
[22:18]  * maco thought that was a drink
[22:18] <czajkowski> maco: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_civil_war
[22:19] <maco> czajkowski: sounds like what we'd call Pinkertons in that time period
[22:19] <AlanBell> maco: we only had one really I think, but it was kind of several wars
[22:19] <AlanBell> or one rather long one
[22:20] <maco> hmm i am noticing a pattern that any class about "europe" in the US is really only about france and germany
[22:20] <Pendulum> maco: wait, didn't we tell you about the civil war in 1649 when we gave you the order of English monarchy at the UW dinner last year?
[22:20] <maco> Pendulum: oh um maybe? hmmm if so i relearned of it a few weeks ago when trying to find out what army attempted to recruit George Fox (the Parliamentary Army) and was readng about diggers and levellers and suchlike
[22:20] <AlanBell> lots of other places decided to leave the British Empire though non-diplomatic channels
[22:21] <maco> one of my friends really wants to draw parallels between the Occupiers and the Diggers
[22:21] <AlanBell> sounds like a game of lemmings
[22:21] <maco> what?
[22:22] <AlanBell> levellers and occupiers and diggers and bridge builders and bombers and umbrella parachute things
[22:24] <maco> czajkowski: our history courses skip inconvenient chunks of our own history too. like that time we invaded canada and got trounced and the only reason we still salute being that the president RAN AWAY before the capital was burned (He declared a new temporary capital just in time)
[22:24] <maco> or the korean war
[22:24] <maco> or the vietnam war
[22:24] <maco> erm i mean
[22:24] <maco> the only reason we still salute palm-down being....
[22:25] <maco> smallpox blankets...
[22:25] <maco> yeah basically american history courses are french/indian war, revolution, civil war, ww1, ww2, oh look we ran out of time
[22:29] <maco> (at least, being cowards who run away instead of surrender is the explanation i was given for why Rory saluted differently in Doctor Who than the Americans did)
[22:29] <maco> (erm where cowards = us americans)
[22:36] <maco> heading out before i become more of an example of a stupid american
[22:36] <AlanBell> o/ maco
[22:37] <AlanBell> maco is a very clever American
[23:07] <AlanBell> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/meeting/19255/plenary-letsgetreadyto-rumble/  <- sso to get to the pad \o/
[23:09] <greg-g> AlanBell: so any remote participant/view has to be an official Ubuntu Memeber or a member of a LoCo Team to even see the pad?
[23:09] <greg-g> s/view/viewer/
[23:09] <AlanBell> they will see it without any fuss
[23:09] <AlanBell> otherwise join https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad
[23:10] <AlanBell> and one of the attentive administrators will add them
[23:10] <greg-g> I don't see the pad unless I sign in and are a member of one of those groups
[23:10] <AlanBell> and there should be a useful message pointing people to that group if they are not in members or a loco team
[23:10] <greg-g> and, it isn't clear on the page page that I should join that ubuntu-etherpad group if I'm not a member/loco member
[23:10] <greg-g> ah
[23:10] <greg-g> I guess I can't test that :)
[23:10] <AlanBell> that will be made clearer apparently
[23:11] <AlanBell> ~linaro also get in automatically
[23:12] <AlanBell> and ~linaro-community
[23:22] <AlanBell> jcastro: can we get the ~ubuntu-etherpad group communicated to attendees as the place to go if etherpad doesn't just work for them
[23:24] <mhall119> AlanBell: why are we locking it down to certain groups?
[23:26] <AlanBell> someone wanted to
[23:26] <greg-g> mhall119: I think, based off what was mentioned here today, spam
[23:27] <AlanBell> "anyone with a launchpad account" would seem to me to be a reasonable grouping
[23:27] <mhall119> is it not enough to lock it down to people with an SSO account?
[23:27]  * greg-g nods
[23:27] <AlanBell> mhall119: ask elmo
[23:27] <AlanBell> I am off to bed, night all o/
[23:27] <mhall119> night AlanBell
[23:27] <greg-g> last minute changes to access restrictions == not a good idea
[23:28] <mhall119> greg-g: at least it's not last minute changes to code
[23:30]  * greg-g nods
[23:31] <greg-g> I guess, but changes to who can participate and who can't like this can be seen badly by the community if not communicated well