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uvirtbotNew bug: #882878 in openssh (main) "With IPv6 disable openssh will on forward X connections" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88287802:06
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BilgeIs there some way to reinstall not only an app but all of its dependencies too?07:41
iclebyteBilge, remove the app and use --purge to remove everything07:53
iclebytethen install it again07:53
iclebyte(with aptitute instead of apt-get)07:54
iclebyteinfact, i'm wrong. http://askubuntu.com/questions/443/how-to-remove-an-uninstalled-packages-dependencies07:55
BilgeI want to just reinstall in place with --reinstall07:59
BilgeNot remove first07:59
iclebytedo you just want to run the menus to reconfigure the app again?08:01
SilfenXI have set up and connected a VPN client session on Ubuntu server but eth0 is used directly to communicate over WAN rather than the ppp0 interface. What am I doing wrong?08:05
ersiSilfenX: Routes, man. Routes.08:09
lxyuhello, I want to set up two or three servers in different places to improve the visit speed of clients all over the country.08:09
ersiRoutes are like Spice, essential to networking traveling08:09
lxyubut I'm new to this field, and any suggestions on how/where to learn the related things? or any article to read? I just don't even know the keyword to google.08:09
ersilxyu: "Content distribution" "Anycast" "Round robin" are a few keyword that might be worth while08:11
ersilxyu: It's a bit tricky though, if you want it setup properly though.08:11
lxyuersi: to be particular, the problem I'm facing now is how to serve single website across different servers locate in different place.. any recommend book or articles?08:16
ersiI'd say you'd have to build up your general experiance in server administration, network management and domain name systems. So, no unfortunally there's no "one shot" book.08:18
ersiLike most things fun one would want to do.08:18
iclebyteis anyone aware of a server which uses solid state drives?08:19
ersiYou could add the keywords "Load balancing" as well to the above keyword list by the way08:19
iclebytewe have an unsual use case where we have very low disk latency requirements08:19
lxyuersi: ok, I'll google that first08:25
SilfenXmy routes are http://pastebin.com/SPVMUyKV08:27
sorenDaviey: Looking at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-paas-cf-next-steps it says "build cloudfoundry from source"... What's it built from now?08:28
Davieysoren: That is something the Systems Integration team have been doing, i've not been too close to it.  I guess from upstream binary :).  lynxman might know more.08:29
ersiSilfenX: So you want *all* of your traffic to be routed over ppp0 instead of eth0? (beside the VPN connection traffic of course)08:35
sorenDaviey: Oh, ok. In fact, I don't even see it in the regular repo's?08:39
sorenDaviey: Am I not looking hard enough?08:39
Davieysoren: it's not in the archive.08:42
Daviey(which is why i haven't been too close to it.)08:42
sorenIs it in the partner archive?08:44
SilfenXersi: yes, all network traffic destined to and from the WAN on the server should use the ppp0 interface - if that makes sense?08:44
sorenHm... Nope, not in Partner.08:44
Davieysoren: I *think* it's just a juju charm.08:45
sorenDaviey: Oh, I see. Ok.08:50
sorenDaviey: I guess I still have a lot to learn about reading press releases that say that something "is now available in Ubuntu". :)08:50
nigelbheh08:51
Davieysoren: You'll gain experience one day, and be a real asset :)08:52
sorenWe'll see.08:53
Davieyheh08:53
ersiSilfenX: If I'm not mistaken, I might be (a bit busy) - you should delete the default gateways and have your 192.168.0.0/24 have 192.168.0.1 as it's gateway, and make a default gateway that'll go through dev ppp008:54
jamespagesoren, Daviey: I think the cloudfoundry client is in the archive - but not cloudfoundry itself08:58
sorenjamespage: Yeah, the client is there.08:59
Davieyah09:00
Daviey<- NFI09:00
SilfenXersi: Ok. I ve ben reading around and it s getting deep really fast ^^ - I use webmin to set this thing up and heres what it looks like at the moment http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g98/spiggot_2006/WebminPPTPSetup.jpg09:05
ersiSilfenX: Yeah, I get whacked in the head learning routing everyday at my day job :)09:06
jamespageDaviey, soren: PPA by the looks of it - ppa:cloudfoundry/ppa09:06
ersiSilfenX: Totally know the pain :)09:06
ersiSilfenX: Hm, try ticking in "Delete old default route?" to "YES"09:07
ersiSilfenX: I have to warn you that doing anything I suggest may cripple the networking on said device, and that you're doing it "on your own risk" etc etc yada yada, JFYI09:07
ersiSo if it's in a remote location, it might.. be nasty to do. Like adding firewall rules from a remote place.. can quickly turn bad :P09:08
ersiOh, homesrv:10000/.. then it's probably near you :)09:08
SilfenXersi: yes, I have physical access to the machine also so it wont be a disaster - and the instllation CD s are always at hand next to me ^^09:08
ersiGreat great :)09:08
Davieyjamespage: ah!09:12
koolhead17hey all09:13
koolhead17soren: finally got chance to have word with devcarmer and we have dashboard tag for cactus!! :)09:14
Davieynice09:15
Davieykoolhead17: why do we care about cactus?09:15
lynxmanmorning o/09:15
Davieylynxman: afternoon, right?09:16
koolhead17hey lynxman09:16
lynxmankoolhead17: hey ;)09:17
lynxmanDaviey: hm.. *looks at clock* not yet? :)09:18
koolhead17Daviey: because on the doc there been around 20 comments where ppl were pointing out the mistake of missing launchpad path. I just want to correct the path in doc and leave it for peace09:18
koolhead17RIP cactus :D09:18
Davieyah!09:18
koolhead17we cannot keep cactus documentation with wrong paths/resources :D09:18
lynxmansoren: We have a cloudfoundry package in a ppa and a juju charm as well09:19
lynxmansoren: it works quite well I must say09:19
koolhead17juju juju juju09:20
* koolhead17 sings09:20
koolhead17Daviey: am still nower with that bug :(09:21
mikakirkland: thanks for http://cloud.ubuntu.com/2011/10/getting-started-with-ubuntu-orchestra-servers-in-concert/ - i'm wondering whether it would make any sense to also support FAI, what do you think?09:22
Davieykoolhead17: oh dear09:27
Davieymika: We evaulated the different options, and decided that cobbler best matched what we wanted.  Having said that, I certianly would not block better FAI integration.09:28
mikaDaviey: ok09:28
koolhead17jamespage: ping09:32
jamespagehey koolhead1709:33
koolhead17jamespage: how are you? still occupied? :)09:34
jamespagekoolhead17: good thanks - always occupied...09:34
jamespagedid you still need a hand with the dbconfig related package/juju charm issue you had?09:34
koolhead17yes sir!!09:35
koolhead17you said you had some magic reciepe to handle it. :D09:35
jamespagelemme just finish up what I'm working on (should not take to long)09:37
koolhead17thanks!!09:37
SilfenXersi: tried deleting old default route - reconnected but no luck09:41
SilfenXersi: I m all good now - made some random clicking in the webmin UI for the PPTP connetion and all of a sudden it wroked \o/09:43
alex88hi guys, just upgraded to 11.10, now postfix auth not works, "warning: SASL: Connect to private/auth-client failed: No such file or directory" seems that the file providing auth to postfix isn't there anymore09:46
SilfenXersi: this is the new settings that made it work http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g98/spiggot_2006/WebminPPTPSetupWorking.jpg09:46
alex88it's set in dovecot config, anyone had this problem?09:46
patdk-laphmm, fix your dovecot config?09:49
SilfenXoh boy thats what you get for becoming carried away ^^ (account info not deleted)09:49
ersiSilfenX: Awesome! :)09:49
SilfenXis it correct to assume that if the PPTP connection becomes unresponsive/drops w/e, server will lose connection to the internet and not just default straight out of eth0 to internet ?09:52
ersiI'd assume that, yes. But you *could* add another route for fallback09:53
ersithat's the beuty with routing09:53
ersiYou could test by firewalling the vpn connecting :)09:53
jamespagealex88: yep - bug 87413509:53
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 874135 in dovecot "mail-stack-delivery does not install postfix->dovecot sasl authentication with dovecot 2.x" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87413509:53
jamespageI am of course assuming that you are using mail-stack-delivery09:54
alex88jamespage: it wasn't available on 11.04 right? cause i've installed and configured postfix+dovecot manually09:55
jamespagealex88: mail-stack-delivery was09:55
jamespageso sounds like its the same issue; but in you manual configuration09:55
jamespagesame fix might work :-)09:56
alex88update dovecot package?09:56
SilfenXersi: yes - also, a 1 minute cron job which checks ppp0 up/down which performs a reconnect if down?09:56
alex88jamespage: should i add oneiric-proposed for now?09:58
jamespagealex88: sorry - not clear - unless you are using mail-stack-delivery this won't fix your issue09:58
ersiSilfenX: Would be unnecessary if you configure the routing ;)09:58
alex88jamespage: so i should install mail-stack-delivery09:58
jamespagebut its likely the same fix for that configuration will resolve your manual configuration09:58
alex88jamespage: it's just a configuration edit? the files that provides auth are missing09:59
SilfenXersi: thanks for feedback! bbl09:59
jamespagealex88: the way auth gets configured in dovecot 2.0.x changed10:00
jamespagesee http://wiki2.dovecot.org/HowTo/PostfixAndDovecotSASL10:01
ersiSilfenX: you're welcome!10:01
jamespagealex88: mail-stack-delivery installs a specific postfix/dovecot configuration10:01
alex88jamespage: oh totally different..ok let me give it a try10:01
jamespagekoolhead17: the package was moodle right?10:06
alex88jamespage: dovecot when upgrading asked me if install the package config, how can i get the package default config? reconfigure?10:06
koolhead17jamespage: yes10:07
alex88nm got it10:09
jamespagealex88: quicker than me - could not remember exactly what dovecot does10:09
jamespagekoolhead17,  sudo debconf-show moodle | pastebinit -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/721413/10:10
alex88jamespage: doveconf -n -c dovecot-1.conf > dovecot-2.conf10:10
alex88dovecot utility to convert config10:11
jamespagealways handy that one10:11
koolhead17* moodle/dbconfig-install: false <:D>10:11
alex88jamespage: ok, config seems fine now, the problem is that it doesn't create the listener for auth10:15
jamespagekoolhead17: yeah - I just wanted a dump of options10:15
jamespagealex88: what does dovecot -n -c /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf say?10:16
alex88sorry, my fault, it was set executable to /usr/lib/dovecot/dovecot-auth instead of /usr/lib/dovecot/auth10:19
alex88seems working now..thank you very much jamespage10:20
jamespagealex88, np10:21
jamespagekoolhead17: just fiddling with debconf options to remind myseld10:25
koolhead17jamespage: i wanted to know the same. :P10:26
koolhead17http://pastebin.com/pWHNEQWe  This is how the file  /etc/moodle/config.php  looks like.10:28
jamespagekoolhead17: looking at that package all moodle uses dbconfig for is to setup the user and configure the file10:42
jamespageas the mysql juju charm is going to setup the database user for you I think I would disable dbconfig configuration10:42
jamespageand template/generate the moodle configuration file mysql once the relation between moodle and mysql/pgsql has been setup10:43
jamespagemake sense?10:43
koolhead17hmm10:57
koolhead17jamespage: yes. i think i can create a custom preseed file for moodle and pass [moodle/dbconfig-install: false ] to handle rest by passing other auth & info  via mysql juju charms11:01
jamespagekoolhead17: yep - you prob need to set the www conf for moodle as well11:01
jamespagebut thats about it11:01
koolhead17cool.11:05
jamespagekoolhead17: good luck - lemme know how it goes11:08
SpamapSkoolhead17: still fighting with dbconfig ? ;)11:12
koolhead17SpamapS: yes sir. :(11:21
koolhead17jamespage: thanks. will keep you posted11:22
SpamapSkoolhead17: I agree with jamespage that trying to bend dbconfig to your will is quite unnecessary.11:22
koolhead17SpamapS: hmm. making it mute will solve everything. all this while i was feeding him values it wanted via preseed.11:29
koolhead17*it11:30
znowdrwxrwxrwx 4 znow znow 4096 2011-10-28 13:27 yc/ - full permissions, but I cannot upload files to this folder? I get permission denied?13:49
alex88znow: maybe parent folders denies you access?13:53
znowalex88: hhmm yeah could be13:53
alex88znow: uploading as www-data?13:54
znowalex88: hmm user?13:54
znowno13:54
alex88znow: you mean uploading via web or how?13:54
znowftp13:54
znowdrwxr-xr-x 13 root root  4096 2011-10-17 08:26 var13:55
alex88mmhh..you can usually access via sheel?13:55
alex88*shell13:55
sorenThe ftp server might impose restrictions in addition to DAC.13:55
znowI can access with ftp aswell13:55
znowbut I need my user to be able to upload via ftp to /var/www13:55
alex88maybe all file uploads are denied..try upload to /tmp13:56
znowalex88: well I need to overwrite an file in /var/www/apps/yc13:56
alex88owned by you?13:57
znowofc, its my server13:57
alex88i mean the file.. btw you've uploaded the files with fpt before?13:57
znowalex88: hmm, it looks like it doesnt allowed me earlier, or now13:59
alex88try to upload somewhere else, to see if a ftp problem or a filesystem problem14:00
znowsec14:00
alex88like /tmp14:00
znowsame14:00
znowRespons:    550 Permission denied.14:00
alex88so it's a server problem... proftpd?14:00
znowno vsftpd I think14:00
alex88check connection banner14:01
alex88when client connects14:01
znowalex88: how14:01
znowin filezilla or?14:01
alex88yeah14:01
alex88go up in the connection log14:01
alex88check what it says after connecting14:02
znowalex88: Kommando:    OPTS UTF8 ON14:03
znowRespons:    200 Always in UTF8 mode.14:03
znowStatus:    Tilsluttet14:03
znowStatus:    Henter mappeliste...14:03
znowKommando:    PWD14:03
znowRespons:    257 "/home/znow"14:03
znowStatus:    Mappeindhold vist14:03
alex88before that?14:03
alex88it should be something like 220-Welcome to Pure-FTPd14:04
znowRespons:    220 (vsFTPd 2.3.2)14:04
znowKommando:    USER znow14:04
znowRespons:    331 Please specify the password.14:04
znowKommando:    PASS *******14:04
znowRespons:    230 Login successful.14:04
alex88sec14:05
alex88edit /etc/vsftpd.conf and uncomment line #write_enable=YES then do sudo /etc/init.d/vsftpd start14:06
alex88riconnect and try uploading14:06
hggdhs/start/restart/14:08
znowalex88: im using my user "znow" for ftp access,, so when I do ls -all it should say: drwxrwxrw- 4 znow   root   4096 2011-10-28 13:27 yc yeah? it still says permission denied14:09
alex88hggdh: yup, thanks14:09
alex88znow: after enabling and restarting vsftpd?14:09
znowsec14:09
alex88*enabling uploads14:10
znowthere we go, now it works, thanks man14:10
alex88np, glad to help14:10
znowalex88: appreciate it! <314:10
znownow, time for soup14:10
znow:)14:10
alex88have fun :D14:11
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nijabasmoser, utlemming: just created https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UsingCloudGuestImages to streamline the process of informing cloud providers on how to best use our cloud guest images.  Updates very welcome16:26
smosermfdiff does pull changelog entries16:28
smoserfor you16:28
smoserand picks the bits that are different16:28
nijabasmoser: ah cool. Can you update the wiki page?16:30
smosersure.16:32
nijabasmoser: will ensure that it is correct, thanks :)16:32
smoserbut it fails sometimes :-(16:33
smosernijaba, http://paste.ubuntu.com/721693/ is example output. that shows changes from last lucid release to recent daily build16:36
nijabasmoser: yep, all that we need is there16:40
smosernijaba, updated.16:45
nijabasmoser: cool.  Once we get a better solution for mirrors, we should update this wiki page too :)16:49
smoseryeah.16:51
smoserthat idea for the image-data was from alex16:51
smoserbligh16:51
smoserand i think it is pretty good really.16:51
smoserbut requires infrastructure changes to implement.16:52
nijabasmoser: I think rackspace cloud already has this possibility for it's managed servers and I remember seing a functionality for this in openstack already16:52
nijabasmoser: something like mounting a fake usb disk that contains provider info into the image iirc16:53
zulhehe16:53
zulsmoser loves that idea16:53
smosernijaba, "config-drive" is that, but that doesn't solve this problem.16:54
smoseras the config drive is still then really limited to user-data and meta-data16:54
smoseror at least it really should have been.16:54
smoserits silly/wrong to implement 2 different metadata formats on the same cloud16:54
nijabasmoser: ah?  ok...  I thought you could push provider data in there as well16:54
smoseryou can probably do that, yes. but i'm not sure how welll its formed.16:55
nijabasmoser: in any case, that's something to propose on the openstack ml16:55
smoserand then we'd need something in cloud-init to acutally read that stuff.16:55
nijabasmoser: yeah, another blueprint ;)16:59
smoseri had in one of them to support config drive.17:00
zulespecially when it was vfat?17:01
mtaylorSpamapS: ping17:28
cjs226if i want to disable upstart shutting down rsyslog can i just comment out the stop line in /etc/init/rsyslog.conf?17:29
uvirtbotNew bug: #883201 in openssh (main) "Several second hang on ssh login" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88320117:45
tm0Hi everyone, hoping you can help me. I've made a muck of my var/lib/ folder by messing up MySQL, does anyone have a list of default MySQL files in var/lib?18:35
tm0Can anyone please link me to what would be in the basic installation of var/lib ?18:40
Demosthenesi appear to be having some form of performance issue, often things seem to "pause" for up to a minute. the only two services on the system are samba and squid. i check dns, thats ok. i'm currently looking to see if i have high i/o waits (iostat -x). any other suggestions?19:22
chronoswhere I can configure default LANG and LC_ALL in ubuntu ?19:26
Demosthenes/etc/environment ? /etc/profile? /etc/bash.bashrc ?19:26
chronossystem wide, something that set before anything19:27
chronosenvironment hm19:27
chronoswhere ubuntu set it  when install?19:27
Demostheneshrm, it appears my raid6 array of 2 TB drives w/ lvm2 & encryption is scoring an average of 13 milliseconds for i/o, which is good. the OS on raid1 usb sticks with lvm2 is scoring 40-50 ms on i/o, but that should be slower...19:28
chronosahhh, /etc/default/locale !19:29
Demosthenescool19:29
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uvirtbotNew bug: #345034 in eucalyptus/1.5 "Further constrain the max memory used per download" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34503420:26
uvirtbotNew bug: #345028 in eucalyptus/1.5 "When EBS is enabled, if a prerequisite is not installed, storage should refuse to start" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34502820:33
uvirtbotNew bug: #358595 in eucalyptus/1.5 "Introduce more logging to Walrus to show progress during image decryption" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/35859520:56
TheEvilPhoenixi'm trying to create a CSR for a Maverick server, following this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.10/serverguide/C/certificates-and-security.html.  But I can't get past verification of the private key.  It keeps returning this:  30233:error:0906906F:PEM routines:PEM_ASN1_write_bio:read key:pem_lib.c:334:21:13
TheEvilPhoenixanyone able to help?21:25
TakyojiChecking21:42
TakyojiI'm juggling several things right now; considered the documentation from your certificate signer (just because their documentation usually seems better)21:47
TheEvilPhoenixwhat documentation21:48
TheEvilPhoenixthe documentation says to generate the CSR21:48
TheEvilPhoenixand then submit it to them21:48
TheEvilPhoenixthe problem is i cant *generate* the CSR because of the aforementioned issue21:48
TheEvilPhoenixTakyoji:  i guess my question now becomes...21:53
TheEvilPhoenixTakyoji:  can I generate the CSR on another system and use that on the server i need the cert on?21:53
TakyojiThe process is: you generate a private key, and from that private key you generate a CSR which includes the private key, you give the CSR to the CA, and they sign the public key while associating identification (such as domain, or who the owner is, etc) and from there we call it a certifIcate.21:54
TheEvilPhoenixi'm aware21:54
TakyojiSo to generate the CSR, you need your private key21:54
TheEvilPhoenix...21:54
TakyojiThe private key isn't specific to a system21:54
TheEvilPhoenix...21:55
TheEvilPhoenixlet me try this another way21:55
TheEvilPhoenixTHIS DOCUMENT OUTLINES THE PROCESS OF (A) CREATING A KEY AND (B) USING THAT FOR THE CSR21:55
TheEvilPhoenixhttps://help.ubuntu.com/10.10/serverguide/C/certificates-and-security.html21:55
TheEvilPhoenixTHAT21:55
TheEvilPhoenixi cant GENERATE the key21:55
Takyojiahh21:55
TheEvilPhoenixbecause it generate the aforementioned error line21:55
TheEvilPhoenixTHEREFORE, either the issue is in PEM...21:56
TheEvilPhoenixor in openssl21:56
TheEvilPhoenixor i'mi missing certain libs, which makes no sense21:56
TheEvilPhoenixthis is why i'm here - to diagnose the issue and rectify it21:57
Takyojihttp://adamyoung.net/OpenSSL-unable-to-write-random-state21:57
Takyojidoes it also say 'unable to write random state' in the error as well?21:57
TheEvilPhoenixthis is everything: http://pastebin.com/DgWm7QCY21:59
TakyojiAre you using just a-z, A-Z, 0-9 for the password, or are you including special characters?22:01
TheEvilPhoenixalphanumeric only, mixed case22:01
TheEvilPhoenixno symbols or spaces22:01
TakyojiAre you sure you have the password correct? :P22:03
TheEvilPhoenixjust tried with 1234522:03
TheEvilPhoenixand it generates a smiliar22:03
TheEvilPhoenixsimilar*22:03
Takyojihttp://www.howtoforge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1223722:03
TheEvilPhoenixwait a sec22:03
TheEvilPhoenixit just worked with 1234522:03
TheEvilPhoenixwtf?22:03
Takyojiwith generating a private key, and generating the CSR?22:03
TheEvilPhoenixprivate key22:03
TheEvilPhoenixi havent hit the CSR part yet22:03
Takyoji:P22:04
TakyojiIt would be nice if OpenSSL would make the errors a little user friendly. :P22:04
TakyojiI think there's also a limit to password length as well by the way22:04
Takyojibut I'm not sure how long22:04
Takyoji32 character max it sounds like22:05
TheEvilPhoenixwell it worked22:14
TheEvilPhoenixnot sure how, but it worked22:14
TheEvilPhoenixthanks22:14
p1ruj3Can somone please pastebin me the outcome of running this command: lsb_release -a ?  If you are not familiar with what this command does it will display the version details of your ubuntu installation.22:48
p1ruj310.04 or 11.10 please.22:48
p1ruj3my /etc/lsb-release somehow disappeared.... and my other machines are plain ubuntu.. I am sure there is a difference.22:49
cloakablep1ruj3: http://pastebin.com/kUqDZSRs22:52
cloakablehope that helped22:52
p1ruj3cloakable you are running ubuntu-server ?22:53
cloakablep1ruj3: yup22:53
p1ruj3Just asking because it looks identical to my Straight ubuntu 11.1022:53
p1ruj3What is the difference with Ubuntu-server and regular Ubuntu ?22:54
cloakableThe kernel and the default packages installed.22:54
p1ruj3oh22:54
p1ruj3so uname -a...22:54
medberryprobably no difference as far as lsb is concerned.22:54
cloakableYeah22:54
cloakablep1ruj3: why?22:55
cloakablep1ruj3: Plus, all uname -a will show is the current kernel running... and you can install the desktop kernel on a server, and the server kernel on a desktop.22:55
p1ruj3inherited a machine running 10.04, I figured it would show in the lsb-release what it was running...22:55
cloakableUbuntu, basically22:55
p1ruj3so how can i tell what is installed on this machine?22:56
cloakableUbuntu!22:56
cloakableOr do you mean software wise?22:56
medberrydpkg -l22:57
cloakableBecause the answer there is whatever the previous owner wanted22:57
cloakableYou can even install ubuntu-desktop on a server system22:57
medberrydpkg --get-selections >file22:57
p1ruj3okay, so I think that answered my question... just different core set of package for ubuntu-server vs ubuntu..22:58
p1ruj3I assumed the kernel would have been compiled a littler lighter...22:59
cloakableWhy?22:59
p1ruj3but i'm more familiar with freebsd so that my explain my extreme ignorance here22:59
cloakableThere's a -lot- of hardware people install ubuntu server on22:59
cloakableMine is installed on an Intel Atom board, for example.23:00
p1ruj33.0.0-12-generic #20 Ubuntu SMP is that kernel an ubuntu-server kernel? (11.10 machine) 2.6.32-generic #62 ubuntu SMP is the 10.0423:02
p1ruj3sorry i am sure i can research this on my own, just figured it might be simple knowledge to a trained eye...23:04
maxbp1ruj3: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux (and scroll down a lot)23:06
p1ruj3everything im finding points to just packages...23:06
maxbyour point?23:06
maxbUbuntu kernels are *in* packages, so that is relevant information23:07
p1ruj3maxb you lost me there23:08
cloakablep1ruj3: You can install new kernels via apt-get23:08
maxbI believe my link answered your question. You seem to be suggesting otherwise. You need to explain what further information you're looking for23:09
p1ruj3So my Improper assumption would be the ubuntu-server kernel would have less driver support compiled into it vs the desktop etc...23:09
cloakableYes23:09
cloakableserver kernel enables stuff like pae23:10
p1ruj3maxb it helped.23:10
p1ruj3ah yes pae... brings back memories of the p-pro dual 20023:11
cloakablep1ruj3: And the kernel on the machine you're on is an 11.10 desktop kernel (no PAE)23:11
p1ruj3cloakable can you help me understand "how23:11
p1ruj3" you determined that23:11
cloakablep1ruj3: if it were server, it would be -generic-pae23:12
p1ruj3ok23:12
p1ruj3Nice.23:12
cloakablep1ruj3: Unless the person installed the -generic kernel on the server23:12
p1ruj3so I can just apt-get the generic-pae kernel if I so desired... thats neat...23:13
cloakableYes23:13
p1ruj3can I transition to the new kernel without rebooting?23:13
cloakableNo23:13
maxbIt's not strictly true to say that generic-pae is the server kernel23:16
p1ruj3just out of curiosity can you do so with any flav of linux?23:16
p1ruj3maxb I figured that...23:16
maxbFirst, the generic flavour really is pretty generic, and should be fine on servers too23:16
maxbgeneric-pae is available only for the 32-bit x8623:17
cloakabletrue23:17
maxbWhereas, Ubuntu also ships a "server" flavour for x86_6423:17
p1ruj3maxb you wouldn't have a link handy listing the mainline kernels would you?23:18
p1ruj3NM23:19
p1ruj3found it23:19
maxbThen there's the "virtual" flavour which is just one of the other flavours with less modules included, intended to conserve disk space in virtualized images23:19
p1ruj3http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/23:19
p1ruj3ack, actually all of those are generic it seems...23:19
cloakableOh wow. It's been a while since I've done a kernel cleanup >.>23:22
* cloakable uninstalls 700Mb worth of kernels.23:22
p1ruj3haha23:23
p1ruj3just have two on this one...23:25
p1ruj3alight, thank you guys for the education.... feeling more chatty than research'y23:26
p1ruj3just about that time to get the magnum pi costume soiled with unsanitary, illegal, and immoral products...23:27
p1ruj3sorry max, now looking at your link is making a lot more sense...23:28
qman__yeah, wish it was smarter about updating kernels23:57
qman__keep the one you're running and the latest, remove the rest23:57

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