/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/10/28/#ubuntu-uk.txt

Azelphur	ali1234: things not on my todo list today: Call random people names until they beat me down, Assassinate the president, deliberately troll darpa	00:06
Azelphur	xD	00:06
ali1234	i just had a great idea	00:07
Myrtti	I was just about to troll you guys with some Echelon catchable keywords	00:09
Myrtti	but then I went like lol	00:09
Myrtti	the logs are public anyway :-$	00:09
Azelphur	hehe	00:10
ali1234	so... if you look at the ruled lines	00:10
Azelphur	Myrtti: like FRU, Lebed, HALO, Spetznaz, Al Amn al-Askari, Glock 26 and Steak Knife? :D	00:11
ali1234	you can get a metric between two vertical pieces by calculating the distance between the lines	00:11
ali1234	from that you can reconstruct the strips, and getting from there to the final document should be relatively easy	00:12
Azelphur	fun :)	00:12
Myrtti	Azelphur: al qaeda, breivik, bomb, london olympics	00:13
Azelphur	hehe	00:13
Azelphur	inb4 we both disappear	00:13
Myrtti	snerk	00:15
DJones	Morning all	07:24
diplo	Morning all	07:27
MooDoo	hello all	07:44
TheOpenSourcerer	Morning all.	07:48
popey	Morning	07:55
iclebyte	morning	07:55
bigcalm	Morning peeps!	08:13
popey	Pip pip!	08:14
bigcalm	Peeps do go pip!	08:15
DJones	3 pips in the last minute, does that mean its 3am or 3pm?	08:15
MooDoo	morning	08:16
TheOpenSourcerer	Ahhh - I love the smell of invoicing in the morning! :-D	08:19
* DJones invoices TheOpenSourcerer		08:19
DJones	& sends a credit note	08:20
TheOpenSourcerer	Hmmm - Was actually sending invoices, not receiving them.	08:20
DJones	Well, still seems fair	08:20
iclebyte	we have an usual use case where we have very low disk latency requirements	08:21
iclebyte	is anyone aware of a server which uses SSD drives?	08:21
iclebyte	do dell do one?	08:21
AlanBell	ask daubers	08:21
kiwicraig	Hello All	08:21
iclebyte	AlanBell, about the server?	08:22
popey	not sure I'd buy a server with their own SSDs	08:22
popey	I'd buy a server and add my own	08:22
iclebyte	not sure if they will work?	08:23
iclebyte	or fit in the disk cages	08:23
popey	no	08:23
popey	not that	08:23
popey	manufacturers like dell massively inflate disk prices	08:23
popey	I'd rather buy my own and put them in it	08:23
popey	you get to choose, which is wise with SSD because the price/quality/performance varies wildly	08:23
oimon	some vendors do cheeky stuff and modify the firmware so that only their disks are allowed :-\	08:24
oimon	it's cheaper for me to buy a new £20k SAN than to upgrade the disks in it	08:24
TheOpenSourcerer	In this month's CustomPC mag there are some stonkingly fast SSDs - Crucial did a firmware update and increased performance by 50-70% IIRC	08:25
oimon	but even lower end NAS such as MD3000 array requires dell disks	08:25
kiwicraig	Hello. I am looking for some that is running 11.10, Unity 2D and has a monitor of over 2100 pixels horizontal. I want to check if Launch Pad bug #879143 effects more then just me. I have a rather odd graphics card	08:26
lubotu3`	Launchpad bug 879143 in gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) "The app windows gets cut off at greater then 2050 pixels" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/879143	08:26
popey	hi kiwicraig	08:27
popey	2100 is very wide	08:28
popey	ah, dual screen	08:28
kiwicraig	Popey : yes dual 17"	08:28
popey	is it intel video?	08:28
TheOpenSourcerer	My monitor is 2048x1152	08:28
kiwicraig	Nvida Qudra NVS	08:29
iclebyte	popey, who would you rate as the better SSDS?	08:29
kiwicraig	I have 2680x1080	08:29
popey	iclebyte: changes all the time, I'd read reviews	08:29
TheOpenSourcerer	iclebyte: And it depends on what you mean by better.	08:30
iclebyte	i'd define 'better' as longest lasting	08:30
JamesTait	Fantabulous Friday, everyone!	08:31
christel	fantabulous friday indeed! :)	08:34
DJones	Not just any Friday, but payday friday as well, Doubly Fantabulous :)	08:35
christel	\o/	08:35
kiwicraig	== help	08:35
TheOpenSourcerer	I am going to a beer festival this afternoon with a customer :D	08:36
TheOpenSourcerer	He's asked me to bring along some chillies too.	08:37
BigRedS	it seems to always be beer festival season in TheOpenSourcerer's world	08:37
MooDoo	TheOpenSourcerer: i want to do what you do :)	08:37
TheOpenSourcerer	Once every few months I get to one.	08:37
TheOpenSourcerer	MooDoo: Send me your CV ;-) Might be needing peeps next year	08:37
BigRedS	TheOpenSourcerer: oooh, things going that good then?	08:39
BigRedS	awesome	08:39
DJones	TheOpenSourcerer: If you're ever up in the NW, you might like this pub http://www.helterskelter-frodsham.co.uk/caskbeer.html	08:39
TheOpenSourcerer	BigRedS: It is looking that way - it's been on the cards for sometime. Taking a little longer than I would have liked but I think, yes. we will be running out of bandwidth within a year	08:40
TheOpenSourcerer	DJones: http://thesandrock.com/drink/corecaskalerange.htm	08:40
MooDoo	TheOpenSourcerer: ok will do :) would a pic of a beer glass do instead ;)	08:41
TheOpenSourcerer	There's 8 hand-pumps in my local - They are mostly always on too.	08:41
AlanBell	MooDoo: how is your python?	08:42
DJones	TheOpenSourcerer: Sounds like a similar type of pub	08:42
MooDoo	AlanBell: pah my kryponite....i'm learning, but not up to a usable level.....come back and ask me next year.	08:43
BigRedS	TheOpenSourcerer: oh cool. well done! :)	08:43
TheOpenSourcerer	DJones: This is my other local - I have two free houses within 10mins walk. http://www.thebatandball.co.uk/main/index.php	08:43
MooDoo	AlanBell: as good as my spelling	08:43
AlanBell	MooDoo: good enough :)	08:43
AlanBell	kiwicraig: I can't reproduce bug 879143	08:45
lubotu3`	Launchpad bug 879143 in gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) "The app windows gets cut off at greater then 2050 pixels" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/879143	08:45
MooDoo	wow just spent £50 on fireworks :D	08:51
kiwicraig	AlanBell: Thanks for the feedback, I think that I will have to try a different video card and different monitor	08:52
bigcalm	MooDoo: http://www.myrant.net/2009/11/09/fireworks-fun-or-explosives-for-all/	08:52
MooDoo	thanks bigcalm mr old and jumpy ;)	08:53
bigcalm	\o/	08:53
brobostigon	good morning everyone.	08:55
BigRedS	g'morning!	08:56
TheOpenSourcerer	Hey brobostigon	08:56
MooDoo	morning brobostigon	08:56
brobostigon	morning TheOpenSourcerer and BigRedS	08:56
brobostigon	morning MooDoo	08:57
MooDoo	bigcalm: well my son loved them last year, and i only bought a teeny box to gauge his reaction so i've gone for a bigger box this year :S	08:57
MooDoo	:)	08:57
TheOpenSourcerer	I'm in your neck-of-the-woods this weekend. Bro-in-law is having a 50th halloween party in Hornton.	08:57
kiwicraig	Good night all	08:57
MooDoo	night kiwicraig :)	08:57
brobostigon	TheOpenSourcerer: who was that directed to?	08:59
TheOpenSourcerer	Sorry - you brobostigon	08:59
TheOpenSourcerer	http://www.hornton.org.uk/	08:59
brobostigon	TheOpenSourcerer: ah, :). i have an empty weekend, eccept for this afternoon.	08:59
brobostigon	TheOpenSourcerer: what do you have in mind?	09:04
TheOpenSourcerer	brobostigon: Dunno - was just saying I am going to my brother-in-law's 50th Halloween party.	09:05
brobostigon	TheOpenSourcerer: reinedeer in town, has a mini beer fest, so maybe we could meet for a beer.?	09:06
TheOpenSourcerer	I doubt I will have time. Won't be there till 5pm tomorrow - get the kids fed and watered, get dressed up, get pissed, sleep, get up drive home. :-(	09:07
brobostigon	TheOpenSourcerer: ah, i see. ohwell.	09:08
TheOpenSourcerer	Did everyone just see popey's tweet?	09:12
* brobostigon looks.		09:12
oimon	popey: tell more!	09:13
oimon	and congrats :)	09:13
MooDoo	not here :S	09:13
bigcalm	TheOpenSourcerer: don't scare me like that. I thought something horrible had happened to Claire	09:13
MooDoo	ah that explains it, i'm not following popey, but CONGRATS, awesome news.....	09:14
oimon	i seriously considered the sysadmin role @ canonical, yet decided against due to home working probably not being for me right now (young sprogling)	09:14
MooDoo	oimon: is that what popey is doing?	09:14
oimon	he hasn't specified the position yet	09:15
oimon	he's prob on a coffee run or something :P	09:15
AlanBell	he left the not-canonical launchpad team yesterday :)	09:15
bigcalm	Ah, tea boy for Canonical then?	09:15
MooDoo	bigcalm: step up from SAP then ;)	09:16
bigcalm	Heh	09:17
Laney	:-)	09:20
MooDoo	morning Laney	09:20
Laney	alright?	09:21
MooDoo	Laney: aye not bad, hearing people getting new jobs is a downer though ;) lol	09:21
Laney	been applying?	09:21
MooDoo	Laney: no now shuush :)	09:21
Laney	well then :P	09:21
MooDoo	Laney: i have applied for a couple lol	09:26
MooDoo	Laney: canonical turned me down ;)	09:26
Laney	how rude	09:27
Laney	you should move to arch!	09:27
MooDoo	Laney: what leave vista ;)	09:27
oimon	MooDoo: which role specifically do u want	09:27
oimon	/ looking for	09:27
MooDoo	oimon: nothing specific right now, it's just looking season :) after 20+ years a complete change might be in order....i'll probably stay where i am for ever lol	09:28
oimon	my job ad should be online soon :P	09:29
MooDoo	oimon: what you looking for?	09:29
oimon	helpful linux geek who likes learning new things	09:29
MooDoo	oimon: i fit that bill as long as learning new things involves drinking beer techniques ;)	09:30
oimon	sort of person who can become competent in things quickly such as puppet, drupal, spacewalk etc , or whatever needs learning	09:30
MooDoo	oimon: sounds good :)	09:30
oimon	it's a dream role for linuxy people IMO	09:31
MooDoo	oimon: you would say that ;)	09:31
MooDoo	but i would agree lol	09:31
christel	hehe	09:31
TheOpenSourcerer	Really torn between the Galaxy Note & Nexus: blog.clove.co.uk/2011/10/28/samsung-galaxy-note-demo-video/	09:32
daubers	spacewalk?	09:32
MooDoo	linux systems management	09:32
daubers	Oh, YASAT	09:33
daubers	or better YASMT	09:33
MooDoo	a redhat thing at one point if i remember rightly, hmmm wonder if my account still works?	09:33
oimon	although there is a possibility all our linux desktops will switch to ubuntu in a couplee of years	09:34
MooDoo	oimon: what you got now? fedora?	09:34
oimon	Scientific linux	09:34
oimon	fedora has too short life span per release	09:34
MooDoo	yeah....	09:35
* TheOpenSourcerer has just added The Dalai Lama to his circles.		09:35
MooDoo	still it's a beefy miricle :D	09:35
oimon	TheOpenSourcerer: expect lots of bleating	09:35
oimon	maybe i'll just buy the t-shirt	09:35
MooDoo	oimon: :) lots ot UK ambassadors want one :) lol	09:36
oimon	i can't see how fedora can be useful	09:37
MooDoo	oimon: i use it at work and on a machine at home, still using F13 at work and it seems fine for what i use it for	09:38
BigRedS	oimon: it seems loved by people who want a polished and finished-looking desktop without the hand-holding of ubuntu	09:38
oimon	f13 is EOL	09:38
BigRedS	well, teh subset of those who can stand yum	09:38
MooDoo	oimon: i know :) still it's ok as a desktop machine...	09:38
oimon	no security updates :o	09:39
jpds	oimon: "person who can become competent in things quickly" - you don't need a job to do that. ;)	09:39
MooDoo	oimon: i'll upgrade eventually, don't see the need to at the moment	09:39
oimon	but...security?	09:45
MooDoo	oimon: yes it's important and maybe i'm being blarsay [however you spell it] about it all or naive but .... [finding something to say here]	09:47
MooDoo	oimon: pah damn you, where is that F15 disk	09:48
oimon	blasé	09:49
MooDoo	yes that's the one.	09:49
MooDoo	spelling when you're stressed sucks.	09:49
oimon	naïve ? not sure about that one though	09:49
oimon	yep , one i , two dots :)	09:50
* MooDoo shuts up now! :)		09:50
* oimon stops multitasking and unitasks on his paid work		09:51
oimon	wonder if we'll see less of popey now he's joined the light side of the force	09:51
MooDoo	oimon: stop yabbering and get on with your work :D	09:52
DJones	Has anybody had issues with pidgin not starting up properly, I've got the icon in the unity bar, but probably 4 out 5 times, I have to close & exit it & kep restarting it to get the buddy list on screen	09:52
DJones	On 11.10	09:52
mattt	happy friday!@	09:55
MooDoo	same to you :D	09:55
popey	Morning all	09:57
MooDoo	popey: morning mr canonical man ;) think you better spill before you get lynched ;)	09:57
dogmatic69	sup popey	09:58
popey	hah	09:58
Seeker`	popey: did you get any sleep last night?	09:59
popey	about 5 hours	09:59
popey	usual :D	09:59
Seeker`	not too terrible then	09:59
directhex	i've been going to bed earlier lately	10:05
directhex	actually, that's a lie	10:05
directhex	i've been stopping playing games due to tiredness earlier, but still loitering online until 2am	10:05
directhex	close enough!	10:05
daubers	Heh, I've been going to bed later again	10:07
iclebyte	regarding the spacewalk comment above, does any one know if there was any more movement on the implementation of deb support within spacewalk? Last I read there was a student taking it on but I don't know if it got any further?	10:07
daubers	More to try and get my backlog of rubbish done	10:08
MooDoo	iclebyte: https://fedorahosted.org/spacewalk/wiki/Deb_support_in_spacewalk this help?	10:10
jacobw	heresy	10:10
MooDoo	?	10:10
iclebyte	YES =)	10:11
iclebyte	thanks.	10:11
* jacobw has just scrolled forward several days		10:11
jacobw	'tis the danger of screen	10:11
MooDoo	lol	10:12
MooDoo	iclebyte: no probs :)	10:13
dogmatic69	ive set up a reverse proxy so i have all my name servers pointing to one server and that redirects the request to correct server. is there a way to revers proxy ssh connections?	10:15
* BigRedS can never remember which way round a 'forward' proxy is		10:18
Xbert	Apparmor is not showing Firefox as enforced when it running, Firefox is set to be enforced, can anyone help me?	10:19
* daubers needs more sockets under his desk :-s		10:19
directhex	daubers, i don't have any at all. there's an extension cable running across the floor	10:20
daubers	directhex: snap :) Might hang another one off ths one	10:21
* daubers is very safety concious		10:22
directhex	er... yeah	10:22
directhex	there's a 2-way across the floor, with two 6-ways plugged into it :)	10:22
popey	BigRedS: glad its not just me	10:22
daubers	At the moment it's running 2 screens, my desktop and a powerbook G4	10:22
directhex	this is running two pcs with everything	10:22
oimon	iclebyte: we nearly implemented spacewalk but ended up deciding on puppet. install OS via PXE and then use puppet to deal with supplementary configs. works across distros nicely	10:22
iclebyte	oimon, we are running puppet - well slowing migrating to it. How are you managing package updates? Do you set all your packages to '=>latest' within puppet then control your own repository? if so how do you migrate packages into the new repo?	10:23
TheOpenSourcerer	right then.	10:24
oimon	iclebyte: package updates are managed via a cron.daily	10:24
* TheOpenSourcerer heads to the station for an afternoon of beer and merryment,		10:24
iclebyte	automatically!?	10:24
oimon	which is standard in SL. does a yum upgrade (excluding kernel)	10:24
AlanBell	have fun TheOpenSourcerer	10:25
iclebyte	you allow automatic updates on your servers?	10:25
TheOpenSourcerer	Something to read everyone: http://blog.canonical.com/2011/10/28/white-paper-secure-boot-impact-on-linux/	10:25
oimon	SL updates are security updates only	10:25
TheOpenSourcerer	Thanks AlanBell	10:25
oimon	so, yes	10:25
iclebyte	sorry what's an 'SL update' ?	10:25
oimon	scientific linux "updates repository"	10:25
iclebyte	oh.	10:26
oimon	although once openoffice updated from 2.3 -> 3.1 due to a security update..bit of a shock	10:26
iclebyte	i'd still like a dashboard to show me the package status of all our servers.	10:26
* popey tickles TheOpenSourcerer		10:26
oimon	the seucrity fix was not available on the old version	10:26
TheOpenSourcerer	yes popey	10:26
iclebyte	yea that's the kind of thing that worries me. the best idea i've drawn up is have 3 puppet servers, dev, test, prod then promoting them via git, but this means I still need to control which repo they install from	10:27
TheOpenSourcerer	popey: be quick or email/phone/dm me on twitter in 20m	10:27
popey	TheOpenSourcerer: was just a friendly tickle	10:27
iclebyte	I can't seem to find any 'accepted solution' for this server management, just blogs with people saying 'we test first' etc.	10:28
popey	CANT A MAN TICKLE ANOTHER MAN ANYMORE!	10:28
oimon	no	10:28
TheOpenSourcerer	lol	10:28
popey	:D	10:28
* bigcalm demands tickles		10:28
TheOpenSourcerer	tee hee	10:28
bigcalm	And a pot noodle	10:28
TheOpenSourcerer	no stop it.	10:28
iclebyte	bigcalm, bombay bad boy?	10:28
TheOpenSourcerer	NO I MEAN REALLY STOP IT!	10:28
oimon	iclebyte: what distro on the server?	10:28
* TheOpenSourcerer runs away. laterz.		10:28
iclebyte	ubuntu-server 10.04LTS we run on all boxes	10:28
MooDoo	man tickles are so wrong :)	10:28
iclebyte	about 40	10:28
bigcalm	iclebyte: beef and tom with soysauce and tabasco	10:28
iclebyte	bigcalm, never thought about introducing tabasco	10:29
iclebyte	good idea tho	10:29
bigcalm	Doesn't need much	10:29
bigcalm	2-3 drops	10:29
iclebyte	I watched someone do a shot of tobasco once.	10:29
bigcalm	Or half a bottle if you are TheOpenSourcerer	10:29
oimon	a cleaner drank a bottle once for £120	10:29
popey	!	10:29
oimon	goaded by bullying traders	10:30
bigcalm	:(	10:30
daubers	Don't think would cover the medical bills somehow...	10:30
iclebyte	i can see that happening with traders.	10:30
popey	There was a restaurant in Denmark I went to where they had _massive_ tabasco bottles	10:30
oimon	he had been taking pics of stately homes and sending them to his wife in africa saying that he lived there	10:30
popey	like 2 Litre	10:30
popey	same shape as normal ones	10:30
iclebyte	oimon, any more ideas on my server management issues?	10:30
daubers	popey: and you downed it in one?	10:30
popey	hah, no	10:30
popey	iclebyte: what kind of server management?	10:31
oimon	RHEL/SL/centos update policy makes me fell more cosy	10:31
* popey heartily recommends Landscape ;)		10:31
oimon	except the puppet client in EPEL got updated	10:31
Laney	hah	10:31
oimon	how much is landscape	10:31
oimon	popey no longer has to say "other server management tools are available"	10:32
bigcalm	popey: are you now a corporate shill?	10:32
iclebyte	yea i'm basically looking for something like landscape, but important packages need to be tested before hand, so I need some kind of staging repo.	10:32
* oimon missed the bit where popey tells us his new job title		10:32
iclebyte	then manually allow packages through into the main repo.	10:32
MooDoo	oimon: he hasn't yet, unless we're right and it's tea boy :)	10:33
* Laney saw it on the twoot box		10:33
oimon	till dolly in ubuntu shop in japan	10:33
oimon	Laney: ah yes	10:33
DJones	MooDoo: Are sure they've not just put him in charge of dealing with bugs submitted via launchpad, after all, most of them will be ones he's reported :)	10:33
popey	Engineering Manager oimon	10:33
BigRedS	he's head of closing mailings lists, I hear :)	10:33
popey	bigcalm: not until monday	10:34
Laney	which engineers?	10:34
kirrus	oimon: you have to buy Ubuntu Advantage, which begins at £202.11 per server	10:34
Laney	put the buttons back! (et cetera)	10:34
oimon	kirrus: academic pricing?	10:34
kirrus	oimon: you'll have to contact them to find that out	10:35
iclebyte	what's 202 per server?	10:35
oimon	Redhat practically give away their RHEL servers to edu	10:35
kirrus	oimon: http://shop.canonical.com/index.php?cPath=41_39	10:35
* daubers os considering setting up a 2 node eucalyptus type thing		10:36
MooDoo	oimon: don't pay, use centos instead, pretty much the same	10:36
oimon	MooDoo: yeah, use SL	10:36
oimon	community is nicer than centos	10:37
oimon	until centos 6 got delayed and they came over to SL	10:37
oimon	now more arguments on teh ML	10:37
MooDoo	oimon: SL just another rebranded RHEL? compiled from it's source?	10:37
oimon	MooDoo: yep.	10:38
MooDoo	if i'm reading it right on the site	10:38
popey	same as centos	10:38
popey	but seems more active to me	10:38
oimon	they usually manage it quicker	10:38
oimon	and more serious users	10:38
MooDoo	might have to give it a try, replace my centos boxen :)	10:38
BigRedS	yeah, it has moer people working on it than CentOS	10:38
oimon	more professional users in the community than the centos noobs :P	10:38
BigRedS	pros use debian	10:39
BigRedS	er, ubuntu	10:39
BigRedS	oops	10:39
oimon	Redhat derivs historically have better support for crappy raid cards and server hardware	10:39
oimon	and Dell OMSA	10:39
BigRedS	ah yeah	10:39
oimon	but most of my stuff is inside vmware nowadays.	10:40
* MooDoo has a fondness for fedora,centos,rhel :)		10:40
MooDoo	yay vmware :D	10:40
oimon	sure u don't want a job ;)	10:40
* MooDoo hugs his esxi server :D		10:40
* iclebyte hugs his conviture setup		10:40
MooDoo	my only wish is that i had a 64bit cpu in my home server so i can upgrade to esxi 4 :D	10:41
MooDoo	oh congratulation anyway popey :D	10:47
popey	hehe	10:47
popey	:D	10:47
popey	thanks	10:47
MooDoo	no more SAP eh! bet that's a relief :)	10:47
popey	Like you wouldn't believe!	10:47
oimon	no more iRc ?	10:47
daubers	popey: It's ok, I'll give the missus your phone number for when she gets stuck :)	10:48
Daviey	oh popey, you fool :)	10:50
TOSDroid	Farnham, Ash Vale, North Camp, Redhill, Merstham. Not bad for £12.20 return.	10:54
Daviey	O_o	10:55
TOSDroid	Takes about 1:45 hrs though.	10:55
popey	heh Daviey	10:58
AlanBell	TOSDroid: you in Farnham?	10:58
* AlanBell works out who TOSDroid is		10:58
TOSDroid	I am leaving Farnham	10:58
TOSDroid	Lol	10:58
AlanBell	silly nick Al :)	10:59
TOSDroid	I like it	10:59
* daubers goes to get a sandwich		11:02
MooDoo	TOSDroid: = the othe al?	11:03
TOSDroid	What do you mean Moodoo? WE are Alan	11:04
AlanBell	resistance is futile	11:04
MooDoo	ok thanks, that's explained it ;)	11:04
MooDoo	nanoo nanoo	11:04
oimon	sounds like one of his chickens escaped	11:04
popey	Shazbut	11:05
TOSDroid	Shazbut?	11:05
MooDoo	mork and mindy	11:05
TOSDroid	Omg	11:06
TOSDroid	W00t Ash Vale already. Now to walk quickly to north camp...	11:07
popey	nice walk that	11:09
bigcalm	Yay lunch time is here	11:10
* bigcalm ventures into the rest of his cold cold house		11:10
popey	that well known black hole between Ash Vale and North Camp has TOSDroid	11:12
Daviey	Ash Vale is right next to the ranges, right?	11:14
popey	not far yeah	11:18
TOSDroid	At north camp.	11:18
TOSDroid	Train for redhill approaching...	11:30
oimon	bizarrely, my insurance renewal quote seems to be in the region of other re-quotes :-\ quite unusual	12:00
DJones	Maybe you've hit the maximum insurance quote :)	12:01
Laney	anyone know how to boot wubi without splash?	12:11
oimon	just had to run down 10 flights of stairs then up again cos the lift has a habit of trapping people :(	12:13
jpds	oimon: At least it was down and not up.	12:13
oimon	i did down and then up	12:13
oimon	all for a drink to have with my lunch :-\	12:14
oimon	i want those calories back...i need them	12:14
davmor2	morning all	12:23
davmor2	popey: you working for us now?	12:25
iclebyte	any of you guys use any forums targeted at enterprise networking/sysadmin topics?	12:27
awilkins	Just the StackExchange ones	12:31
awilkins	But I don't really hit the sysadmin bits, mostly programming	12:31
* mattt just taped black garbage backs against the windows in the office		12:33
mattt	*bags	12:34
mattt	wonder how long before the building managers tell me to take them down :P	12:34
oimon	iclebyte: ars technica "server room" forum , although they tend to focus on Virtualisation a lot	12:36
oimon	mattt: why? want some sleep?	12:36
mattt	oimon: far too bright :/	12:37
oimon	wear shades dude	12:37
oimon	B-)	12:37
mattt	nah	12:38
mattt	now i just need to unscrew these bulbs	12:38
oimon	or get a cameraman's shade thing between you and the monitor :)	12:39
iclebyte	ok thanks chaps.	12:39
MooDoo	oimon: doing alright, got good grades, future is so bright, i gotta wear shades....	12:50
daubers	Anybody got any good resources on altering SVG's with JS?	12:56
MartijnVdS	daubers: you can do that using the DOM, just like HTML	12:57
MartijnVdS	getElementById	12:57
MartijnVdS	etc.	12:57
daubers	Hmmm.. is that the easiest way?	12:57
MartijnVdS	I doubt it :)	12:57
MartijnVdS	daubers: This looks like it does what you want and more: http://svgkit.sourceforge.net/	12:57
daubers	Hmmm... that might do	12:59
MartijnVdS	Argh, why doesn't sshd on Lucid understand ecdsa keys	13:06
MooDoo	home time yet	13:36
danfish	a100	13:37
danfish	oops	13:38
MartijnVdS	danfish: isn't that a little short for a password? :)	13:38
mattt	MartijnVdS: :P	13:40
popey	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/28/stallman_criticises_steve_jobs_again/	13:56
popey	\o/	13:56
MooDoo	he's not evil, he's really evil :)	13:56
* MartijnVdS waits for popey's "Leave Steve Jobs alone!!" video on Youtube		13:57
MartijnVdS	and someone else's "Leave Stallman alone!!" reply video	13:57
DJones	MooDoo: Which one is the really evil one though, Steve Jobs or RMS ?	13:58
BigRedS	presumably Steve isn't very evil any more	13:59
popey	ooooh thats a good idea MartijnVdS	13:59
DJones	If you make the video though, RMS will cross you off his Christmas card list :)	14:00
* MartijnVdS makes the video		14:00
* bigcalm shivers a little bit more		14:01
* DJones assumes bigcalm's heating is broken		14:01
danfish	MartijnVdS: that's one of my longer passwords :D	14:02
bigcalm	DJones: I've been tweet-moaning about it all day	14:02
DJones	I noticed one tweet earlier	14:03
MartijnVdS	twomplaining?	14:03
MartijnVdS	twoaning?	14:03
MartijnVdS	shudder	14:03
bigcalm	Only have one number for my Land Lady and she isn't answering it	14:04
Pendulum	bigcalm: go for a run?	14:04
bigcalm	Pendulum: think I'll stick to moaning :P	14:04
Pendulum	bigcalm: also, layer jumpers	14:05
MartijnVdS	Running helps to keep warm	14:05
MartijnVdS	I've run in -10°C and it was amazing :)	14:05
DJones	Perhaps she's on twitter and looks for the hashtag #landladyfromhell	14:05
bigcalm	Pendulum: plenty of extra layers on :)	14:05
bigcalm	DJones: she's a very nice lady who has done improvements to the house without raising rent. Rarely hear from her as well	14:06
bigcalm	Just tricky to get a hold of :)	14:06
DJones	Hope you get it sorted before the weekend	14:07
bigcalm	Would be nice, though looking unlikely now :\|	14:08
mattt	heating already?	14:10
mattt	s'beautiful out	14:10
mattt	lies, i've had my heating on once this year already :(	14:11
mattt	soft	14:11
MartijnVdS	mattt: back in January, amirite?	14:19
mattt	MartijnVdS: pssh!	14:21
mattt	a week or two back :P	14:21
buzz_	gord, are you involved with unity 2d or just 3d ?	15:14
buzz_	has anyone apart from me tried it on 800x480 screen. in fact the new ubuntu software manager is also pretty unusable on a smaller display. but unity2d does not work for this size device	15:15
oimon	buzz_: i tried it on a eee pc..it was pretty unusable. ironic really since it gre out of the netbook edition	15:16
buzz_	i basically just made a oneiric image for the o2 joggler to try. its certainly less usable than the classic interface	15:17
buzz_	the overlay scrollbars are also tricky on touchscreen. ok so they can be turned off	15:18
buzz_	also, the new onboard version got themes, but the fact is, it is slow to use. it doesnt respond quickly to presses. and oneiric killed florence from the repos, rather than compiling without gnome2 panel supoprt so i had to rebuild packages for that	15:18
buzz_	florence is a much better keyboard imho	15:19
buzz_	oimon, the old netbook remix interface was very usable on this device.. and the only issues were gnome/window manager related, as there are lots of things that gnome does badly on small screens	15:19
buzz_	but for finding and launching apps, it was quick and easy	15:20
buzz_	anyway, im not going to do any further work on this image for the joggler. and release it as is. instead I will go for lxde + lxlauncher or so http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXLauncher	15:22
DJones	I must have missed this yesterday, Dell selling preloaded Ubuntu machines in China http://blog.canonical.com/2011/10/27/retail-stores-in-china/	15:23
awilkins	Oh my, the Richard Stallman tour rider got onto Slashdot	15:34
nymwar	tour rider?	15:35
Azelphur	I looked at it but I don't really think it's that crazy	15:35
Azelphur	I know lots of people that don't eat breakfast, it's not exactly uncommon	15:35
Azelphur	and I wouldn't want supervision crossing streets either xD	15:36
MooDoo	Azelphur: i read that as crossing streams....ghostbusters!!!!! :)	15:38
Azelphur	lol	15:38
buzz_	does it say "will require pasty or pie to eat during speech and tea"	15:38
* buzz_ reas		15:38
buzz_	reads	15:38
jacobw	it sounds like he'd be better off not mentioning parrots at all	15:38
buzz_	yeh hes got tea.. takes his own teabags. like me on holiday hehe	15:39
Azelphur	I like parrots too :o	15:39
jacobw	i've never met a parrot, i've met a sloth though	15:39
Azelphur	is it bad that I share so many similarities with RMS? lol	15:39
Azelphur	had parrots in the family since I was born, all my life, so I'm very much a parrot person	15:40
Azelphur	I'm about as close to the parrot whisperer as you're going to get xD	15:40
jacobw	do they whisper back? :P	15:40
jacobw	do you think its mimicry or conversation?	15:41
Azelphur	jacobw: not really, a birds language is usually very simple and rudimentary it's more gesture and emotion based than language	15:41
buzz_	he prefers a couch from a hotel. heh.	15:41
oimon	hotels are too sterile for me	15:42
oimon	no wonder businessmen get bored and turn on the naughty channels	15:42
buzz_	i prefer a hotel .. i dont sleep at demo parties either anymore	15:42
Azelphur	jacobw: and for sure they can understand a lot, they are smart animals, you can certainly convey most of their language yourself	15:42
jacobw	:)	15:43
Azelphur	jacobw: next time you go to a zoo or something, try shutting your eyes at a parrot, if you're lucky it'll shut it's eyes too for example :)	15:44
oimon	how would you know? your eyes would be shut :P	15:45
Azelphur	haha, open them again after a few seconds, long enough for the parrot to notice :p	15:45
jacobw	oimon: that's exactly what i thought	15:45
Azelphur	that basically boils down to "friend" in bird terms	15:46
Azelphur	you trust the bird enough to stand near it with your eyes shut, so your saying you trust the bird not to attack you	15:46
Azelphur	and of course if they shut their eyes back, feelings mutual :D	15:46
oimon	same with doggy rolling over for you to rub belly	15:46
Azelphur	yep	15:47
Azelphur	they all have their own method of communication, it's just not a language like us, we're weird with language	15:47
buzz_	well. ive gone off him. he doesnt like beer.. thats just wrong	15:47
Azelphur	most animals use sounds and gestures to convey emotions	15:47
Azelphur	in other news I think I'll try gaming in a VM again	15:49
oimon	this copy of windows must be activated before logon. ...can't connect with server....boots you out to login screen.	15:55
oimon	no chance to edit dhcp settings or anything	15:55
MooDoo	oimon: remotely?	15:58
oimon	no, physically in front of pc	15:58
MooDoo	oimon: 7 or vista or xp?	15:59
oimon	i think i need to install a network driver , no chance it's gonna let me	15:59
oimon	XP	15:59
oimon	gonna nuke it	15:59
MooDoo	oimon: ok you could try extracting wpa.db_ from the installation cd in safe mode and copying it to c:\windows\system32, then rebooting and installing SP3? or nuke it :)	16:01
oimon	plan B	16:01
oimon	nuke from space	16:02
MooDoo	only way to be sure	16:02
oimon	i have no time for windows..it's a home pc for my boss anyway	16:02
bigcalm	Game over man, game over	16:02
MooDoo	stupid boss ;)	16:02
oimon	on a 4 yr old PC :D	16:02
oimon	hey, it's 5pm ..i'll worry about it on monday	16:03
MooDoo	yay dedication ;)	16:03
MooDoo	lol	16:03
bigcalm	Another 57 mins of hard slog to do yet	16:03
MooDoo	bigcalm: hard slog = chat in IRC?	16:04
MooDoo	;)	16:04
bigcalm	MooDoo: It feels like hard work talking with some people at times ;P	16:04
MooDoo	bigcalm: you'll get used to me ;)	16:05
bigcalm	Haha	16:05
bigcalm	I didn't say whom :P	16:05
MooDoo	i kow i was teasing ;)	16:05
bigcalm	Is it the weekend yet?	16:06
oimon	yep	16:07
daubers	bigcalm: Yes! Also, it's payday :D	16:08
* oimon checks		16:08
MooDoo	for me too :D	16:08
popey	\o/ pay day	16:08
* daubers watches all his money waltz out of his account to the DSA :(		16:08
bigcalm	14th of the month is my pay day :(	16:09
bigcalm	Also, I never notice it	16:09
daubers	bigcalm: This is an exciting payday as it marks the point I can afford all my motorbike tests	16:10
daubers	I could goto the bike show this year and lust after a pan euro again	16:11
bigcalm	Heh	16:12
bigcalm	daubers: good show :)	16:12
AlanBell	is that what BigRedS has?	16:13
MooDoo	daubers: i'm glad it was only cbt and then test when i did it :D	16:14
kirrus	AlanBell: afaik, yes	16:14
kirrus	he's on it right now though	16:14
daubers	MooDoo: Done the CBT and theory. 2 practicals left	16:15
daubers	I want a pan euro and about a month off work to go riding around europe :)	16:15
MooDoo	daubers: i did my bike tests in '94 :D	16:15
daubers	Bah, I was 9 then :P	16:15
MooDoo	lol	16:16
bigcalm	o.O	16:16
AlanBell	I was 19	16:18
MooDoo	pah i'm nearly 40 :(	16:18
MartijnVdS	aww	16:27
diplo	evening all	16:57
popey	pip pip	16:58
MartijnVdS	howdy	16:58
bigcalm	hip-hop	17:02
MartijnVdS	bow wow	17:03
daubers	Quick poll: Chinese/Indian/Himalayan?	17:07
MartijnVdS	Tea?	17:07
MartijnVdS	Himalayan :)	17:07
daubers	Yup, no missus, so just me, a takeaway, some beers, crouching tiger hidden dragon and some java tutorials	17:08
MartijnVdS	My favourite radio is celebrating its 5-year existence with a 12 hour long broadcast :)	17:09
MartijnVdS	\o/	17:09
daubers	heh	17:09
daubers	dinner ordered	17:15
mattt	what'd you get	17:19
daubers	Himalayan	17:25
daubers	Just off to collect it now :)	17:25
danfish	Himalayan - nepalesy I presume? Loversley	17:31
MartijnVdS	napalmese?	17:35
daubers	danfish: Inded	17:36
daubers	Indeedy :)	17:36
danfish	A friend of mine who was in the army has a copy of the Ghurka section of the army cookbook	17:41
daubers	Cool	17:41
daubers	The himalayan place is run by some ex Gurkhas	17:41
danfish	every recipe starts with 'stred 30 chilis'	17:41
daubers	heh	17:42
danfish	I'm not sure of the licencing of it, but I've got a scanned copy somewhere.....	17:42
daubers	How many does that cook for though	17:43
danfish	a 'company', howver many that is	17:44
daubers	A fair few	17:45
diplo	Congrats popey	17:56
diplo	Can you share what your role is ? Not seen it specifically on any of G+ posts	17:57
MartijnVdS	chief podcast officer? :P	17:57
diplo	:E	17:57
diplo	Been meaning to ask you what you do as a job MartijnVdS	17:58
MartijnVdS	diplo: Perl programmer at XS4ALL (Dutch ISP)	17:58
diplo	I've heard of them, probably from places like irc in hostnames :)	17:58
diplo	I went for a job as perl programmer before	17:59
diplo	Really wasn't good enough to read job post let alone apply for job :P	17:59
diplo	My perl gets me by i guess	17:59
diplo	Used to write a lot of automated reports / analysis for my last place	18:00
diplo	and a CCTV system that used perl scripts to automate everything	18:01
diplo	Was probably my best work with perl :/	18:01
MartijnVdS	I write parts of the backend systems, provisioning database, etc.	18:01
MartijnVdS	and lots of associated "toolkit" libraries	18:02
diplo	nice	18:04
ali1234	azelphur: how would the parrot notice you opening your eyes if it has it's eyes closed?	18:21
Azelphur	you close them first :P	18:21
diplo	popey, you still involved with lug.org.uk ?	18:36
stevepdp	evening all	18:38
popey	diplo: ya	18:38
popey	diplo: Engineering Manager	18:39
diplo	How hard is it to get a subdomain re-established ?	18:39
diplo	oh and nice	18:39
diplo	Joined Bristol lug mailing list recently and noticed they have talked about it, reminded me you were involved. thought i'd ask and pass along	18:40
popey	very easy	18:44
popey	you want bristol.lug.org.uk to point somewhere?	18:44
popey	if so, thats 5 mins work, just get them to email admin@lug.org.uk	18:44
diplo	Will do squire, guessed it would be.. just wasn't sure if there was an official form ( Not been involved before ) :)	18:45
diplo	thanks	18:45
popey	np	18:51
daubers	popey: Does that make you the canonical version of Scotty?	18:52
daubers	WIll you be yelling "We just cannae dee it sabdfl, we dunna have the poower!"	18:52
* AlanBell hides his stash of dilithium crystals		18:53
daubers	AlanBell: That's not dilithium, also, the police where rooting around the hen house :p	18:53
popey	does http://popey.com/+ work for you guys?	18:56
popey	should take you to my "new" google+ profile	18:57
daubers	yup	18:57
popey	ta	18:57
daubers	I always thought sil would have made a good scotty	19:01
nperry	popey: it doesn't because irssi doesn't think + is part of the url	19:01
funkyHat	s/irssi/your terminal emulator/	19:02
popey	http://popey.com/plus then :D	19:02
* popey foresaw this		19:02
* funkyHat registers wiggl.ie so he can have the url http://wiggl.ie/worms		19:02
AlanBell	404 popey	19:02
nperry	forward thinking++	19:02
popey	erk	19:03
* nperry wonders what diaspora is looking like these days		19:03
popey	fixed?	19:04
popey	looks a lot like an empty google+	19:04
nperry	Yes :)	19:04
nperry	The yes was an answer to the fixed question.	19:05
daubers	funkyHat: I have a 26" one of those! Was given it as a birthday present	19:05
popey	yay	19:05
daubers	funkyHat: http://www.firebox.com/product/2928/Giant-Gummi-Worm	19:05
funkyHat	oh my	19:07
nperry	Ah, how I love firebox	19:08
* popey hugs nperry		19:08
daubers	I have no idea what to do with this worm. It's 4000 calories	19:09
* popey hugs Laney		19:10
Laney	GREETINGS!	19:10
popey	wow	19:10
popey	Laney: see you next week :D	19:10
Laney	you coming after all?	19:10
Laney	or was it one of those secret things	19:10
popey	flight booked today	19:10
Laney	phwoar, bet that was cheap	19:10
popey	i only knew I was coming this morning	19:10
popey	got a fly-drive deal	19:11
Laney	i found an amusingly named beer to bring with me	19:11
Laney	also marmite	19:11
popey	ooooo	19:11
popey	I will also bring marmite	19:11
popey	maybe some XO	19:11
Laney	no, bring something else!	19:12
popey	I have squeezy marmite	19:12
popey	oh ok	19:12
Laney	real tea	19:12
popey	heh	19:12
Laney	coronation street	19:12
Laney	queues	19:12
Laney	red double decker	19:12
popey	tutting	19:12
popey	ok, will go to shops to find most british thing i ...	19:12
Laney	i was going to buy XO, but decided it was Xcsessive	19:12
popey	actually, I'll ask twitter	19:12
Laney	3.99 and it comes in a ruddy presentation box	19:12
popey	its also a little overrated	19:13
popey	and the lid sticks like superglue	19:13
popey	ok, tweeted	19:13
popey	how long before someone complains that I said English and not British?	19:14
Laney	just said goodbye to the missus for the week and i am feeling surprisingly :(	19:14
Laney	when did i get whipped?	19:14
popey	when do you fly out?	19:14
Laney	tomorrow	19:15
popey	ahh	19:15
Laney	she has gone away for the weekend	19:15
popey	11am London?	19:15
Laney	manx	19:15
popey	ah	19:15
Laney	1345	19:15
popey	<- 11 on monday	19:15
Laney	aha	19:15
popey	oh got some ace suggestions!	19:15
popey	cricket bats	19:15
popey	a morris dancer	19:15
Laney	you'll miss the debian session!	19:16
popey	crumpets	19:16
popey	dairy milk	19:16
popey	i feel an etherpad coming on	19:16
popey	monarchy	19:16
popey	a duck	19:16
popey	wine gums	19:17
Laney	bull terrier	19:17
daubers	popey: Don't take a kinder egg, they're not allowed in the US	19:17
popey	lol, a wheel of stilton	19:17
popey	O RLY?	19:17
daubers	yup, toy in a food item designed for minors	19:18
AlanBell	"what can we get popey to bring that will cause customs to get the rubber gloves out?"	19:18
daubers	AlanBell: Those "dilithium" crystals ;-)	19:18
daubers	AlanBell: Or you just write "CENSORED" on his chest in lead paint for the millimeter wave scanners	19:19
Laney	bag of clocks	19:19
* Laney bikes home, brb		19:20
daubers	Laney: One of these http://tinyurl.com/6jf8r5f	19:21
daubers	popey: If you wanted to take something thats missing in the US, you could just take some common sense	19:22
AlanBell	but where will he find any of that?	19:23
daubers	AlanBell: He could take me!	19:23
daubers	(or would that reduce the amount of common sense?)	19:23
popey	A list is forming!	19:24
popey	http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/WhatShouldPopeyTakeToTheUSA	19:24
ali1234	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Rogers_phenomenon	19:25
ali1234	daubers ^	19:25
daubers	ali1234: I see :p	19:26
AlanBell	a win-win situation \o/	19:26
TOSDroid	Discussing hosting fees with a customer whilst drunk. Good idea?	19:26
AlanBell	TOSDroid: well, as the customer is drunk too, yes :)	19:27
* nperry msgs TOSDroid for some hosting.		19:28
mgdm	I see everyone has migrated to Etherpad :)	19:36
popey	i love the internet	19:37
daubers	heh	19:37
gordonjcp	mgdm: hi, and yes	19:37
mgdm	evening, gordonjcp :)	19:38
ali1234	al@al-desktop:~/.gvfs$ rsync share\ on\ hd-htgl205/ backups\ on\ ix2-200-dc386f/share/	19:38
ali1234	skipping directory .	19:38
TOSDroid	Waiting at merstham station for a train...	19:39
TOSDroid	Am quite tipsy...	19:39
TOSDroid	Mustn't lose my beer glass.	19:40
TOSDroid	Will I make last orders at the local?	19:41
TOSDroid	Swype for the win	19:41
TOSDroid	Train delayed. Oh no.	19:42
Laney	wow	19:42
Laney	quite a crew going on that list	19:43
TOSDroid	So. Gnome shell our Unity?	19:43
awilkins	Can't speak for Gnome shell	19:44
TOSDroid	*or	19:44
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TOSDroid	"ohh train.	19:45
TOSDroid	VU	19:47
TOSDroid	Wtf	19:47
TOSDroid	Redhill already.	19:47
gordonjcp	redhil	19:48
gordonjcp	*redhill	19:49
* DJones wonders how many beers TOSDroid "tested"		19:49
gordonjcp	man, this should be #ubuntu-ridiculously-southern-england	19:49
DJones	Nah, We're not all southern england	19:50
mgdm	heh	19:51
* bigcalm is very middle		19:51
* gordonjcp wonders who the most northerly #ubuntu-uker is		19:51
* bigcalm waves		19:51
DJones	Some aren't even England	19:51
dashroom	I'm quite northern	19:52
mgdm	gordonjcp: it used to be me	19:52
bigcalm	gordonjcp: mgdm?	19:52
mgdm	(at one point a while back)	19:52
mgdm	not any more, there's a chap from Inverness who shows up periodically	19:52
DJones	I'm North West, part way between Liverpool & Manchester	19:52
mgdm	"north"	19:52
mgdm	:)	19:52
mgdm	I once went to a conference called PHP North West, to which I had to travel over 300 miles south	19:53
TheBugcastDJ	I'm originally from the home counties, but now living in Yorkshire.	19:53
gordonjcp	mgdm: I think Myrtti has you beat, if she's in Tampere	19:53
mgdm	ah yes	19:53
gordonjcp	Liverpool is well south	19:53
bigcalm	I do love coming across T junctions in the highlands of Scotland that have a sign post saying nothing more than West & East	19:53
gordonjcp	Manchester is further than space	19:54
DJones	bigcalm: That reminds me of the signs in Australia, "Kangaroo's next 500km"	19:54
DJones	There's an odd one or two from Cumbria & an occasional North East person, but the channel does have a majority of southern based regulars	19:56
TOSDroid	Hmmm. Think I have 20m to wait ford the reading train	19:56
gordonjcp	mgdm: we need to start recording a podcast so we can have an unconference too	19:57
gordonjcp	mgdm: I think we should call it "Pissup In A Brewery"	19:57
TOSDroid	This it's boring	19:57
daubers	Isn't the majority of the population in the south though?	19:58
* awilkins is from the South, but lives in the North		19:58
dashroom	Northerners FTW	19:58
TOSDroid	The north it's full of northerners though.	19:58
dashroom	Exactly	19:58
DJones	Thats the way we like it though :)	19:58
daubers	TOSDroid: And scots	19:58
mgdm	gordonjcp: :D	19:58
mgdm	daubers: Oi	19:59
gordonjcp	the south is full of southerners	19:59
gordonjcp	they speak a weird incomprehensible language and behave really oddly	19:59
TOSDroid	North is cold and tactless	19:59
gordonjcp	it's like being in France but with crap cheese	19:59
dashroom	lollage	19:59
DJones	Heh, but together what do we all make.... Ubuntu-uk, can't see anything wrong with that	20:00
gordonjcp	at least in france you can drive at 130mph on the motorways	20:00
bigcalm	kph	20:01
bigcalm	80ishmph	20:01
gordonjcp	yeah	20:01
gordonjcp	but if you get stopped you just point at it, look blankly at them and say "130, yes"	20:01
* bigcalm rolls his eyes		20:01
bigcalm	:P	20:01
daubers	mgdm: I actually like the majority of scots I've met. Just with that they'd BLOODY WELL CHEER UP!	20:02
TOSDroid	Good old tories want to change the speed linky here's took	20:02
gordonjcp	and "comprendez pas"	20:02
TOSDroid	Ooops swype fail	20:02
mgdm	daubers: I'm really cheerful, me!	20:02
gordonjcp	if you find the rare cop that speaks english, switch to gaelic	20:02
TOSDroid	Limit	20:02
daubers	mgdm: :p	20:02
gordonjcp	if they say "anglais", say "non, ecossais, vive six nations!"	20:02
TOSDroid	Here	20:02
TOSDroid	Too	20:02
gordonjcp	it's all good	20:02
TOSDroid	At least yours keeping me entertains whilst waiting gord my train	20:03
DJones	If it wasn't for the Scots, we wouldn't have some of my favourite things, Haggis & Whisky :)	20:04
DJones	TOSDroid: Did you have a good afternoon	20:04
diplo	Whisky maybe, but seriously Haggis ?	20:04
diplo	:D	20:04
awilkins	Ooh, haggis, neeps, and tatties. So going on the list.	20:05
DJones	All in favour of haggis? +1	20:05
mgdm	haggis is ace	20:05
mgdm	+1	20:05
TOSDroid	djones. Yes. :h	20:05
daubers	+1	20:05
dashroom	long live haggis	20:05
dashroom	+1	20:05
daubers	Best haggis I had was in a little pub somewhere in the middle of nowhere near loch lomond. I believe I was both lost and very hungry at the time	20:05
diplo	Really... Even my true scottish gran doesn't like it :)	20:06
TOSDroid	Gosh. Wtf it's haggis all about. Bit like tripe but packaged better	20:06
awilkins	Urrgh	20:06
gordonjcp	haggis ftw	20:06
mgdm	I quite fancy that for my tea, but I don' thave any	20:06
awilkins	At least Haggis has non-disposable bits of offal in it	20:06
gordonjcp	TOSDroid: it's a kind of spicy sausage, you've clearly never had any	20:06
awilkins	Intestinal linings are designed to wear out and be gone in days	20:07
daubers	TOSDroid: If you get it done well, with some nice mash and a bit of gravy you'll be in heaven	20:07
gordonjcp	aww yeah	20:07
daubers	Fantastic with a good pint of ale :)	20:07
gordonjcp	I want haggis now	20:07
DJones	daubers: Best haggis I had involved a lot of whisky as well, new years eve party, everybody in the house except me & a Scottish RSM drinking whisky all night in the garage/bar waiting for his pipers to come down the road at midnight	20:07
awilkins	Haggis, heart, lungs, liver, oats, spices, wrapped in a sheeps stomach	20:07
TOSDroid	I've just had a nice naga curry. Nom nom	20:07
gordonjcp	I just had some gyoza	20:07
daubers	DJones: Last time I drank whisky all night, it took me 5 hours to regain the ability to walk	20:07
awilkins	They call gyoza potstickers in the USA	20:08
TOSDroid	Don't really care what the matt was although out was supposed to new chicken	20:08
DJones	daubers: This party was next door to my house, I remember leaving next door (not what time) but don't remember getting home	20:08
daubers	heh :)	20:08
mgdm	gordonjcp: I suspect haggis is happening for tea on Sunday night	20:08
mgdm	(tomorrow's taken care of)	20:08
daubers	Speaking of whisky	20:08
DJones	Party at mgdm's on Sunday	20:09
mgdm	:D	20:09
TOSDroid	I have a halloween party tomorrow night. We are going as the Munsters	20:09
* daubers pours a glas of Glenrothes		20:09
gordonjcp	mgdm: are you coming along to the noodle bar?	20:09
TOSDroid	More drink	20:09
mgdm	gordonjcp: what and when?	20:09
TOSDroid	Train should be here soon. Yipee	20:10
gordonjcp	mgdm: not sure of the specifics	20:10
TOSDroid	Then north camp to ash value	20:10
gordonjcp	the plan is to (possibly) dress up a bit and then go and sit in the noodle bar where it's warm and we have tasty noodles, and laugh at the people in the queue for the Garage	20:11
TOSDroid	Vale. Then farnham	20:11
mgdm	gordonjcp: tomorrow?	20:11
gordonjcp	yes	20:11
gordonjcp	wait, is tomorrow Saturday?	20:11
mgdm	can't make it, I'll be in Embra :(	20:11
mgdm	aye	20:11
gordonjcp	ah	20:11
mgdm	I've not been to the noodle bar yet	20:12
mgdm	that likely needs rectifiied	20:12
gordonjcp	I've been up since about 5am and I've driven 300-odd miles and sat in the hottest comms room in the history of radio equipment	20:12
gordonjcp	for like an hour, at 30°C	20:12
mgdm	eek	20:12
gordonjcp	I can't tell bum from breakfast time at the moment	20:12
TOSDroid	On a train. It's pointing the wrong way but I am assured it is the right one	20:14
awilkins	Is it in Reading?	20:14
TOSDroid	Is now going the right way.	20:15
awilkins	Used to get disturbed by trains pulling into Reading and then reversing out	20:15
TOSDroid	I was in redhill	20:15
TOSDroid	Just liebig now	20:15
TOSDroid	Leaving	20:15
TOSDroid	Think I will go and see whats happening in the twittersphere...	20:16
daubers	How did we miss welly wanging????	20:17
DJones	With a name like that, I'm glad I have missed miss welly wanging	20:18
mgdm	:D	20:18
daubers	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellie_wanging	20:18
daubers	There's even an association	20:18
mgdm	gordonjcp: sod burns suppers, but I'm all for the consumption of haggis/neeps/tatties and whisky any time of the year - I think this should be arranged :)	20:19
daubers	If I was in the neck of the woods and whisky was to be drunk, I'd quite happily help	20:19
mgdm	s/Happy Hour/Haggis Hour/	20:20
mgdm	who's with me? :P	20:20
DJones	daubers: A bloke I worked with years ago won the world bog snorkeling championship one year	20:20
daubers	DJones: Excellent :D	20:21
gordonjcp	mgdm: I think you're right	20:23
daubers	popey: Is this list long enough and xenophobic enough yet?	20:23
popey	heh	20:24
Myrtti	d's friends always manage to coax me up by asking how many years of history Finland has... ahem. sorry bout that	20:25
daubers	Myrtti: I just love it when Americans talk of having a "Long and proud history"	20:26
Myrtti	...	20:26
daubers	Myrtti: Also, Finland is lucky by having the Monty Python people write a song about them	20:27
* TOSDroid had something similar to welly ranging		20:27
gordonjcp	daubers: :-)	20:27
gordonjcp	daubers: I like to point out that I have a tree older than American history	20:27
Myrtti	Finland didn't have an established border until 1323	20:27
TOSDroid	It was %11	20:27
mgdm	"welly ranging" sounds like guided wellies, which is just cheating	20:28
mgdm	though I have to say that I like the idea of a laser-guided custard-filled welly	20:28
TOSDroid	This is a hot train. Heaters on full blast... Phew	20:28
daubers	Myrtti: First european settlers in america was 1492 or something	20:29
TOSDroid	I sat on a flight back from the states once and the last next to me was surprised they built windsor castle on the flight path	20:30
Myrtti	pretty much about 100-200 years before there was any literature in Finnish	20:30
daubers	Myrtti: You have the advantage of being intelligent	20:30
daubers	Myrtti: More than makes up for it	20:30
TOSDroid	Ladyp	20:31
TOSDroid	Hmmm	20:33
TOSDroid	Trains and irc dont work too	20:33
TOSDroid	Well	20:33
TOSDroid	Anyone there?	20:35
Myrtti	mm	20:35
DJones	Yup	20:35
TOSDroid	Ok	20:35
TOSDroid	Thought it's been left hanging in the ether	20:35
bigcalm	No	20:35
DJones	But typing & drinking red wine doesn't work to well at the same time	20:35
bigcalm	DJones: use a straw	20:36
TOSDroid	Whose been drinking red wine?	20:36
awilkins	A curly straw	20:36
DJones	TOSDroid: +1	20:36
mgdm	+1	20:36
DJones	TOSDroid: Is there any other type of wine apart from "Red wine" :)	20:37
* daubers just has whisky		20:37
Myrtti	Im just eating, no drinks tonight	20:38
bigcalm	awilkins: http://www.latestbuy.com/img/product-Images/dgls-350c.jpg	20:38
* DJones realises why he's still got meat left on his dinner plate... The dog is at his parents house...Doh!		20:38
Myrtti	creamy salmon soup tho, with spuds, neeps, carrots	20:38
bigcalm	Yum	20:38
bigcalm	Though I do prefer my salmon raw	20:39
bigcalm	Has Flickr always been $24.95 for 1 year? I thought when I started it was that for 2 years. I may be very confused though	20:41
No	Boo	20:43
=== No is now known as Guest38672
Guest38672	Am at guildford	20:43
bigcalm	Where my 1st girlfriend was	20:43
Guest38672	The beer was called Wibblers Wobbly Wabbit	20:44
DJones	Guest38672: You left your nick behind	20:44
Guest38672	Yeah	20:44
Guest38672	I dont really get irc	20:44
Guest38672	It's all programed in my desktop	20:45
bigcalm	I was wrong. It's been $24.95 for 1 year for always. Really surprised that Flickr haven't increased their prices since I joined in November 2005	20:46
Guest38672	Will news signing off shortly. Have a nice weekend everyone	20:47
bigcalm	Who was that?	20:49
DJones	I'm assuming TOSDroid	20:50
bigcalm	But whom was that?	20:50
DJones	Similar ip, same irc client	20:50
DJones	TOS = The OpenSourcerer	20:50
DJones	on his anDROID phone	20:50
bigcalm	Doh	20:51
gordonjcp	21:43 -!- No [~androirc@82.132.139.109]	20:51
gordonjcp	21:43 -!- No is now known as Guest38672	20:51
DJones	:)	20:51
bigcalm	It was his line "<Guest38672> I dont really get irc" that thew me	20:52
gordonjcp	isn't that Bruno?	20:52
gordonjcp	No`	20:52
bigcalm	Don't think No` would join without his `	20:53
bigcalm	* TOSDroid (~androirc@82.132.211.241) has joined #ubuntu-uk	20:53
bigcalm	* No (~androirc@82.132.139.109) has joined #ubuntu-uk	20:53
bigcalm	Same ISP	20:53
=== patch_ is now known as pcmechanic
gordonjcp	bigcalm: true enough	20:55
pcmechanic	Evening	20:55
AlanBell	evening	20:57
bigcalm	Morning	20:58
bigcalm	(eventually)	20:58
pcmechanic	greets from the north east. Its bloody cold here but at least its not pissing down for a change !	20:58
mattt	how cold	21:00
pcmechanic	brass monkeys ! Im not far off newcastle so its always that bit cooler here	21:01
mattt	pcmechanic: i didn't know northerners got cold!	21:02
mgdm	I thought they wandered around in t-shirts despite it being -5	21:03
mgdm	</stereotype>	21:03
pcmechanic	HA! well as a rule I'd normally agree but tonights an excception	21:03
pcmechanic	heating on for the first time	21:03
MartijnVdS	ever?	21:03
pcmechanic	not far off it	21:03
* bigcalm lobs a seagull at mgdm		21:04
* pcmechanic ducks		21:04
mattt	:P	21:04
pcmechanic	fecking seaguls	21:04
* mgdm lobs a haggis back at bigcalm		21:04
bigcalm	Yay	21:04
bigcalm	Think I got the better end of the deal	21:04
pcmechanic	oh i like haggis ! food of kings (aslong as its served with neeps n whisky)	21:05
mattt	yuck :(	21:05
pcmechanic	:D	21:05
pcmechanic	that reminds me - large bag of haggis n black pepper crisps in the cupboard	21:07
* daubers heads to bed		21:07
pcmechanic	that'll do nciely	21:07
funkyHat	Why isn't tfl suggesting central line > picadilly line as an option to get from shepherd's bush to holloway road? It seems to be less stops than hammersmith & city > picadilly	21:08
TOSDroid	At ash vale. Trim to farnham in 7 mins.	21:08
TOSDroid	Not sure I want last orders now... Might just get cab straight home. What do you think?	21:10
* AlanBell suspects the cab won't go past the sandrock		21:10
TOSDroid	Hmmm	21:11
gordonjcp	funkyHat: good move	21:15
gordonjcp	funkyHat: Amos Grove	21:15
TOSDroid	Mornington cresent	21:15
funkyHat	I think that's an invalid move	21:16
gordonjcp	yes	21:16
TOSDroid	This is the royal flush rules though?	21:16
gordonjcp	yes, but you have to place a Geordie before even starting your Modernist Slide	21:17
gordonjcp	it's right there in the rules	21:17
gordonjcp	go on, have another shot	21:17
TOSDroid	Hmmm.	21:17
TOSDroid	Picaddlilly	21:18
funkyHat	Baker Street	21:19
gordonjcp	Turnpike Lane	21:19
TOSDroid	Ealing broadway	21:20
funkyHat	Putney Bridge	21:20
TOSDroid	London bridge	21:21
gordonjcp	West Brompton	21:22
TOSDroid	Farnham :)	21:22
gordonjcp	o_O	21:22
TOSDroid	Off piste but a great move	21:22
gordonjcp	that's a bold move, what's the method?	21:23
TOSDroid	Turin	21:23
gordonjcp	aah, got you	21:23
gordonjcp	good stuff, right this is going to get messy if I am to avoid knip	21:24
gordonjcp	Kew Gardens!	21:24
TOSDroid	Googe street and im off. Nn	21:25
funkyHat	AND Mornington Crescent!	21:25
TOSDroid	Bab	21:25
gordonjcp	funkyHat: well done	21:26
gordonjcp	funkyHat: it's a lot harder playing Glasgow rules, because there are only 15 stations on a circular route	21:28
gordonjcp	so you need to introduce surface rail and bus routes	21:29
funkyHat	gordonjcp: yes that is awkward	21:29
mgdm	gordonjcp: OK, then, Exhibition Centre	21:29
funkyHat	Almost as awkward as actually trying to cycle in Glasgow ;D	21:29
gordonjcp	mgdm: Partick	21:30
Myrtti	the hell are you playing	21:30
mgdm	gordonjcp: Anderston	21:30
gordonjcp	!	21:31
gordonjcp	hang on, is Central High Level in play?	21:31
mgdm	I don't see why not	21:31
gordonjcp	okay, then Central to St Enoch	21:32
mgdm	Interesting	21:32
mgdm	Blantyre	21:32
gordonjcp	oh, it's like that is it? Mount Vernon	21:33
mgdm	Croy	21:34
gordonjcp	Bishopbriggs	21:34
mgdm	seeing, as we are, playing Victor rules	21:34
gordonjcp	of course	21:35
mgdm	Yoker	21:35
gordonjcp	otherwise the whifflet line would have been invalid	21:35
gordonjcp	oooh, Garscadden	21:35
mgdm	Bridgeton	21:36
gordonjcp	Central Low Level	21:36
mgdm	cheeky!	21:36
mgdm	Dalmarnock	21:37
gordonjcp	Chatelherault	21:38
mgdm	Duke st	21:38
gordonjcp	<sharp intake of breath>	21:39
gordonjcp	Argyle Street	21:39
mgdm	eep	21:40
gordonjcp	haha, you know what's coming next	21:40
mgdm	Dalmuir!	21:40
gordonjcp	oooh, you jammy sod, I have to elide this now	21:41
gordonjcp	right, Rutherglen	21:41
mgdm	ooft	21:42
mgdm	Right, then, Pollokshaws East, ya bam	21:42
gordonjcp	hah! Paisley Gilmour Street \o/	21:42
mgdm	ooo you tricky deveil	21:43
gordonjcp	heh	21:43
gordonjcp	well you gave it away with Bridgeton	21:43
mgdm	bah, so I did	21:43
mgdm	Partick Central, and hence, Kelvin Hall!	21:43
gordonjcp	damn	21:43
gordonjcp	well played	21:43
gordonjcp	of course ending on Kelvin Hall means the next meeting is in the Three Judges	21:44
mgdm	Therefore, you've let yourself in for Brewdog. I win \o/	21:45
AlanBell	so, um, what was that all about then?	21:45
gordonjcp	Mornington Crescent	21:45
gordonjcp	but we played to the Glasgow rules, Victor edition	21:45
AlanBell	ah, I see	21:46
* RaycisCharles pees on AlanBell		21:47
gordonjcp	naturally with Glasgow Central High Level in play, which opens up the Inverclyde and Ayrshire Coast lines as long as the Class 380 Amendment Part III is allowed	21:48
mgdm	damn, that means I could've had Wemyss Bay	21:49
mgdm	which is the first time anyone has said that	21:49
gordonjcp	aha, as a former contractor I could have had IBM	21:49
gordonjcp	but that's unsporting if there are no other IBMers playing	21:50
mgdm	heh heh	21:50
AlanBell	Charing Cross scores under London and Glasgow rules	21:51
mgdm	indeed	21:52
gordonjcp	yes, of course	21:52
gordonjcp	I'd love a game where someone played both Charing Crosses	21:53
mgdm	shame there's not a train station at Glasgow airport	21:54
gordonjcp	ye	21:54
AlanBell	oh, maybe treat Charing Cross and Queen's Park as wormholes	21:55
AlanBell	although having rules such as that might undermine the point of the game	21:56
gordonjcp	hahaha	21:56
gordonjcp	when I was little I used to think that two places with the same name were connected by wormholes	21:56
gordonjcp	made perfect sense, a little fold in the continuum of space-time where you stick the edges together	21:56
gordonjcp	makes much more sense than two totally different places having the same name	21:57
gordonjcp	how confusing would that be?	21:57
AlanBell	quite agree	21:58
gordonjcp	mgdm: it's worth remembering that you can also play pre-modernisation rules but that mostly just renames the underground stations	22:01
mgdm	yeah	22:04
* mgdm heads to sleep		22:05
* gordonjcp needs to run mrs bagpuss_thecat home first		22:07
* awilkins requires sleep		22:08
bigcalm	Finally got around to watching the Code Breakers prog on Bletchley Park. Very well done BBC Wales :)	22:12
* danfish is asleep - please be quiet		22:13
Myrtti	SHUSH DANFISH IS SLEEPING	22:13
bigcalm	SORRY? WHAT DID YOU SAY?	22:13
Myrtti	HE IS ASLEEP	22:13
Myrtti	BE QUIET	22:14
bigcalm	WHOOPS, i'LL HUSH THEN!	22:14
freakyclown	WONDER IF danfish HAS BEEP ON HIS IRC NOTIFICATIONS!?	22:15
danfish	right that's it, I'm shutting down the internets for the night	22:15
freakyclown	:O	22:15
freakyclown	the whole internets?!	22:15
Myrtti	NNNOOOOOOOOO	22:15
freakyclown	nooo	22:15
freakyclown	thats it im phoning google and telling!	22:15
danfish	sudo service internets halt	22:15
Myrtti	taptap	22:16
Myrtti	still works	22:16
danfish	did it work?	22:16
Myrtti	HA-HA	22:16
Myrtti	fail.	22:16
freakyclown	imagine if you had lost connect just around then	22:18
freakyclown	that would have scared the bejesus out of us!	22:18
danfish	freakyclown: that was only a dummy run ;) prepare for the real thing	22:19
danfish	(the real command involves a blood sacrifice to google, icann and Tim Berners-Lee)	22:20
freakyclown	i wonder if my cern account gets me near that box...	22:21
czajkowski	freakyclown: :o	22:21
freakyclown	what?	22:21
czajkowski	boo	22:22
danfish	czajkowski: halloween's not for 3 days ;)	22:23
danfish	so no boo'ing - upsets the kids :P	22:24
freakyclown	aggghh fsake whats my password to log into cern damn it!	22:25
=== TheBugcastDJ is now known as DaveBug
freakyclown	sweeeeeeeet	22:36
freakyclown	http://www.freakyclown.com/Screenshot%20at%202011-10-28%2023:33:42.png	22:36
* AlanBell wonders how many guesses at freakyclown's password will lock the account out :)		22:39

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