[00:06] ali1234: things not on my todo list today: Call random people names until they beat me down, Assassinate the president, deliberately troll darpa [00:06] xD [00:07] i just had a great idea [00:09] I was just about to troll you guys with some Echelon catchable keywords [00:09] but then I went like lol [00:09] the logs are public anyway :-$ [00:10] hehe [00:10] so... if you look at the ruled lines [00:11] Myrtti: like FRU, Lebed, HALO, Spetznaz, Al Amn al-Askari, Glock 26 and Steak Knife? :D [00:11] you can get a metric between two vertical pieces by calculating the distance between the lines [00:12] from that you can reconstruct the strips, and getting from there to the final document should be relatively easy [00:12] fun :) [00:13] Azelphur: al qaeda, breivik, bomb, london olympics [00:13] hehe [00:13] inb4 we both disappear [00:15] *snerk* [07:24] Morning all [07:27] Morning all [07:44] hello all [07:48] Morning all. [07:55] Morning [07:55] morning [08:13] Morning peeps! [08:14] Pip pip! [08:15] Peeps do go pip! [08:15] 3 pips in the last minute, does that mean its 3am or 3pm? [08:16] morning [08:19] Ahhh - I love the smell of invoicing in the morning! :-D [08:19] * DJones invoices TheOpenSourcerer [08:20] & sends a credit note [08:20] Hmmm - Was actually sending invoices, not receiving them. [08:20] Well, still seems fair [08:21] we have an usual use case where we have very low disk latency requirements [08:21] is anyone aware of a server which uses SSD drives? [08:21] do dell do one? [08:21] ask daubers [08:21] Hello All [08:22] AlanBell, about the server? [08:22] not sure I'd buy a server with their own SSDs [08:22] I'd buy a server and add my own [08:23] not sure if they will work? [08:23] or fit in the disk cages [08:23] no [08:23] not that [08:23] manufacturers like dell massively inflate disk prices [08:23] I'd rather buy my own and put them in it [08:23] you get to choose, which is wise with SSD because the price/quality/performance varies wildly [08:24] some vendors do cheeky stuff and modify the firmware so that only their disks are allowed :-\ [08:24] it's cheaper for me to buy a new £20k SAN than to upgrade the disks in it [08:25] In this month's CustomPC mag there are some stonkingly fast SSDs - Crucial did a firmware update and increased performance by 50-70% IIRC [08:25] but even lower end NAS such as MD3000 array requires dell disks [08:26] Hello. I am looking for some that is running 11.10, Unity 2D and has a monitor of over 2100 pixels horizontal. I want to check if Launch Pad bug #879143 effects more then just me. I have a rather odd graphics card [08:26] Launchpad bug 879143 in gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) "The app windows gets cut off at greater then 2050 pixels" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/879143 [08:27] hi kiwicraig [08:28] 2100 is very wide [08:28] ah, dual screen [08:28] Popey : yes dual 17" [08:28] is it intel video? [08:28] My monitor is 2048x1152 [08:29] Nvida Qudra NVS [08:29] popey, who would you rate as the better SSDS? [08:29] I have 2680x1080 [08:29] iclebyte: changes all the time, I'd read reviews [08:30] iclebyte: And it depends on what *you* mean by better. [08:30] i'd define 'better' as longest lasting [08:31] Fantabulous Friday, everyone! [08:34] fantabulous friday indeed! :) [08:35] Not just any Friday, but payday friday as well, Doubly Fantabulous :) [08:35] \o/ [08:35] == help [08:36] I am going to a beer festival this afternoon with a customer :D [08:37] He's asked me to bring along some chillies too. [08:37] it seems to always be beer festival season in TheOpenSourcerer's world [08:37] TheOpenSourcerer: i want to do what you do :) [08:37] Once every few months I get to one. [08:37] MooDoo: Send me your CV ;-) Might be needing peeps next year [08:39] TheOpenSourcerer: oooh, things going that good then? [08:39] awesome [08:39] TheOpenSourcerer: If you're ever up in the NW, you might like this pub http://www.helterskelter-frodsham.co.uk/caskbeer.html [08:40] BigRedS: It is looking that way - it's been on the cards for sometime. Taking a little longer than I would have liked but I think, yes. we will be running out of bandwidth within a year [08:40] DJones: http://thesandrock.com/drink/corecaskalerange.htm [08:41] TheOpenSourcerer: ok will do :) would a pic of a beer glass do instead ;) [08:41] There's 8 hand-pumps in my local - They are mostly always on too. [08:42] MooDoo: how is your python? [08:42] TheOpenSourcerer: Sounds like a similar type of pub [08:43] AlanBell: pah my kryponite....i'm learning, but not up to a usable level.....come back and ask me next year. [08:43] TheOpenSourcerer: oh cool. well done! :) [08:43] DJones: This is my *other* local - I have two free houses within 10mins walk. http://www.thebatandball.co.uk/main/index.php [08:43] AlanBell: as good as my spelling [08:43] MooDoo: good enough :) [08:45] kiwicraig: I can't reproduce bug 879143 [08:45] Launchpad bug 879143 in gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) "The app windows gets cut off at greater then 2050 pixels" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/879143 [08:51] wow just spent £50 on fireworks :D [08:52] AlanBell: Thanks for the feedback, I think that I will have to try a different video card and different monitor [08:52] MooDoo: http://www.myrant.net/2009/11/09/fireworks-fun-or-explosives-for-all/ [08:53] thanks bigcalm mr old and jumpy ;) [08:53] \o/ [08:55] good morning everyone. [08:56] g'morning! [08:56] Hey brobostigon [08:56] morning brobostigon [08:56] morning TheOpenSourcerer and BigRedS [08:57] morning MooDoo [08:57] bigcalm: well my son loved them last year, and i only bought a teeny box to gauge his reaction so i've gone for a bigger box this year :S [08:57] :) [08:57] I'm in your neck-of-the-woods this weekend. Bro-in-law is having a 50th halloween party in Hornton. [08:57] Good night all [08:57] night kiwicraig :) [08:59] TheOpenSourcerer: who was that directed to? [08:59] Sorry - you brobostigon [08:59] http://www.hornton.org.uk/ [08:59] TheOpenSourcerer: ah, :). i have an empty weekend, eccept for this afternoon. [09:04] TheOpenSourcerer: what do you have in mind? [09:05] brobostigon: Dunno - was just saying I am going to my brother-in-law's 50th Halloween party. [09:06] TheOpenSourcerer: reinedeer in town, has a mini beer fest, so maybe we could meet for a beer.? [09:07] I doubt I will have time. Won't be there till 5pm tomorrow - get the kids fed and watered, get dressed up, get pissed, sleep, get up drive home. :-( [09:08] TheOpenSourcerer: ah, i see. ohwell. [09:12] Did everyone just see popey's tweet? [09:12] * brobostigon looks. [09:13] popey: tell more! [09:13] and congrats :) [09:13] not here :S [09:13] TheOpenSourcerer: don't scare me like that. I thought something horrible had happened to Claire [09:14] ah that explains it, i'm not following popey, but CONGRATS, awesome news..... [09:14] i seriously considered the sysadmin role @ canonical, yet decided against due to home working probably not being for me right now (young sprogling) [09:14] oimon: is that what popey is doing? [09:15] he hasn't specified the position yet [09:15] he's prob on a coffee run or something :P [09:15] he left the not-canonical launchpad team yesterday :) [09:15] Ah, tea boy for Canonical then? [09:16] bigcalm: step up from SAP then ;) [09:17] Heh [09:20] :-) [09:20] morning Laney [09:21] alright? [09:21] Laney: aye not bad, hearing people getting new jobs is a downer though ;) lol [09:21] been applying? [09:21] Laney: no now shuush :) [09:21] well then :P [09:26] Laney: i have applied for a couple lol [09:26] Laney: canonical turned me down ;) [09:27] how rude [09:27] you should move to arch! [09:27] Laney: what leave vista ;) [09:27] MooDoo: which role specifically do u want [09:27] / looking for [09:28] oimon: nothing specific right now, it's just looking season :) after 20+ years a complete change might be in order....i'll probably stay where i am for ever lol [09:29] my job ad should be online soon :P [09:29] oimon: what you looking for? [09:29] helpful linux geek who likes learning new things [09:30] oimon: i fit that bill as long as learning new things involves drinking beer techniques ;) [09:30] sort of person who can become competent in things quickly such as puppet, drupal, spacewalk etc , or whatever needs learning [09:30] oimon: sounds good :) [09:31] it's a dream role for linuxy people IMO [09:31] oimon: you would say that ;) [09:31] but i would agree lol [09:31] hehe [09:32] Really torn between the Galaxy Note & Nexus: blog.clove.co.uk/2011/10/28/samsung-galaxy-note-demo-video/ [09:32] spacewalk? [09:32] linux systems management [09:33] Oh, YASAT [09:33] or better YASMT [09:33] a redhat thing at one point if i remember rightly, hmmm wonder if my account still works? [09:34] although there is a possibility all our linux desktops will switch to ubuntu in a couplee of years [09:34] oimon: what you got now? fedora? [09:34] Scientific linux [09:34] fedora has too short life span per release [09:35] yeah.... [09:35] * TheOpenSourcerer has just added The Dalai Lama to his circles. [09:35] still it's a beefy miricle :D [09:35] TheOpenSourcerer: expect lots of bleating [09:35] maybe i'll just buy the t-shirt [09:36] oimon: :) lots ot UK ambassadors want one :) lol [09:37] i can't see how fedora can be useful [09:38] oimon: i use it at work and on a machine at home, still using F13 at work and it seems fine for what i use it for [09:38] oimon: it seems loved by people who want a polished and finished-looking desktop without the hand-holding of ubuntu [09:38] f13 is EOL [09:38] well, teh subset of those who can stand yum [09:38] oimon: i know :) still it's ok as a desktop machine... [09:39] no security updates :o [09:39] oimon: "person who can become competent in things quickly" - you don't need a job to do that. ;) [09:39] oimon: i'll upgrade eventually, don't see the need to at the moment [09:45] but...security? [09:47] oimon: yes it's important and maybe i'm being blarsay [however you spell it] about it all or naive but .... [finding something to say here] [09:48] oimon: pah damn you, where is that F15 disk [09:49] blasé [09:49] yes that's the one. [09:49] spelling when you're stressed sucks. [09:49] naïve ? not sure about that one though [09:50] yep , one i , two dots :) [09:50] * MooDoo shuts up now! :) [09:51] * oimon stops multitasking and unitasks on his paid work [09:51] wonder if we'll see less of popey now he's joined the light side of the force [09:52] oimon: stop yabbering and get on with your work :D [09:52] Has anybody had issues with pidgin not starting up properly, I've got the icon in the unity bar, but probably 4 out 5 times, I have to close & exit it & kep restarting it to get the buddy list on screen [09:52] On 11.10 [09:55] happy friday!@ [09:55] same to you :D [09:57] Morning all [09:57] popey: morning mr canonical man ;) think you better spill before you get lynched ;) [09:58] sup popey [09:58] hah [09:59] popey: did you get any sleep last night? [09:59] about 5 hours [09:59] usual :D [09:59] not too terrible then [10:05] i've been going to bed earlier lately [10:05] actually, that's a lie [10:05] i've been stopping playing games due to tiredness earlier, but still loitering online until 2am [10:05] close enough! [10:07] Heh, I've been going to bed later again [10:07] regarding the spacewalk comment above, does any one know if there was any more movement on the implementation of deb support within spacewalk? Last I read there was a student taking it on but I don't know if it got any further? [10:08] More to try and get my backlog of rubbish done [10:10] iclebyte: https://fedorahosted.org/spacewalk/wiki/Deb_support_in_spacewalk this help? [10:10] heresy [10:10] ? [10:11] YES =) [10:11] thanks. [10:11] * jacobw has just scrolled forward several days [10:11] 'tis the danger of screen [10:12] lol [10:13] iclebyte: no probs :) [10:15] ive set up a reverse proxy so i have all my name servers pointing to one server and that redirects the request to correct server. is there a way to revers proxy ssh connections? [10:18] * BigRedS can never remember which way round a 'forward' proxy is [10:19] Apparmor is not showing Firefox as enforced when it running, Firefox is set to be enforced, can anyone help me? [10:19] * daubers needs more sockets under his desk :-s [10:20] daubers, i don't have any at all. there's an extension cable running across the floor [10:21] directhex: snap :) Might hang another one off ths one [10:22] * daubers is very safety concious [10:22] er... yeah [10:22] there's a 2-way across the floor, with two 6-ways plugged into it :) [10:22] BigRedS: glad its not just me [10:22] At the moment it's running 2 screens, my desktop and a powerbook G4 [10:22] this is running two pcs with everything [10:22] iclebyte: we nearly implemented spacewalk but ended up deciding on puppet. install OS via PXE and then use puppet to deal with supplementary configs. works across distros nicely [10:23] oimon, we are running puppet - well slowing migrating to it. How are you managing package updates? Do you set all your packages to '=>latest' within puppet then control your own repository? if so how do you migrate packages into the new repo? [10:24] right then. [10:24] iclebyte: package updates are managed via a cron.daily [10:24] * TheOpenSourcerer heads to the station for an afternoon of beer and merryment, [10:24] automatically!? [10:24] which is standard in SL. does a yum upgrade (excluding kernel) [10:25] have fun TheOpenSourcerer [10:25] you allow automatic updates on your servers? [10:25] Something to read everyone: http://blog.canonical.com/2011/10/28/white-paper-secure-boot-impact-on-linux/ [10:25] SL updates are security updates only [10:25] Thanks AlanBell [10:25] so, yes [10:25] sorry what's an 'SL update' ? [10:25] scientific linux "updates repository" [10:26] oh. [10:26] although once openoffice updated from 2.3 -> 3.1 due to a security update..bit of a shock [10:26] i'd still like a dashboard to show me the package status of all our servers. [10:26] * popey tickles TheOpenSourcerer [10:26] the seucrity fix was not available on the old version [10:26] yes popey [10:27] yea that's the kind of thing that worries me. the best idea i've drawn up is have 3 puppet servers, dev, test, prod then promoting them via git, but this means I still need to control which repo they install from [10:27] popey: be quick or email/phone/dm me on twitter in 20m [10:27] TheOpenSourcerer: was just a friendly tickle [10:28] I can't seem to find any 'accepted solution' for this server management, just blogs with people saying 'we test first' etc. [10:28] CANT A MAN TICKLE ANOTHER MAN ANYMORE! [10:28] no [10:28] lol [10:28] :D [10:28] * bigcalm demands tickles [10:28] tee hee [10:28] And a pot noodle [10:28] no stop it. [10:28] bigcalm, bombay bad boy? [10:28] NO I MEAN REALLY STOP IT! [10:28] iclebyte: what distro on the server? [10:28] * TheOpenSourcerer runs away. laterz. [10:28] ubuntu-server 10.04LTS we run on all boxes [10:28] man tickles are so wrong :) [10:28] about 40 [10:28] iclebyte: beef and tom with soysauce and tabasco [10:29] bigcalm, never thought about introducing tabasco [10:29] good idea tho [10:29] Doesn't need much [10:29] 2-3 drops [10:29] I watched someone do a shot of tobasco once. [10:29] Or half a bottle if you are TheOpenSourcerer [10:29] a cleaner drank a bottle once for £120 [10:29] ! [10:30] goaded by bullying traders [10:30] :( [10:30] Don't think would cover the medical bills somehow... [10:30] i can see that happening with traders. [10:30] There was a restaurant in Denmark I went to where they had _massive_ tabasco bottles [10:30] he had been taking pics of stately homes and sending them to his wife in africa saying that he lived there [10:30] like 2 Litre [10:30] same shape as normal ones [10:30] oimon, any more ideas on my server management issues? [10:30] popey: and you downed it in one? [10:30] hah, no [10:31] iclebyte: what kind of server management? [10:31] RHEL/SL/centos update policy makes me fell more cosy [10:31] * popey heartily recommends Landscape ;) [10:31] except the puppet client in EPEL got updated [10:31] hah [10:31] how much is landscape [10:32] popey no longer has to say "other server management tools are available" [10:32] popey: are you now a corporate shill? [10:32] yea i'm basically looking for something like landscape, but important packages need to be tested before hand, so I need some kind of staging repo. [10:32] * oimon missed the bit where popey tells us his new job title [10:32] then manually allow packages through into the main repo. [10:33] oimon: he hasn't yet, unless we're right and it's tea boy :) [10:33] * Laney saw it on the twoot box [10:33] till dolly in ubuntu shop in japan [10:33] Laney: ah yes [10:33] MooDoo: Are sure they've not just put him in charge of dealing with bugs submitted via launchpad, after all, most of them will be ones he's reported :) [10:33] Engineering Manager oimon [10:33] he's head of closing mailings lists, I hear :) [10:34] bigcalm: not until monday [10:34] which engineers? [10:34] oimon: you have to buy Ubuntu Advantage, which begins at £202.11 per server [10:34] put the buttons back! (et cetera) [10:34] kirrus: academic pricing? [10:35] oimon: you'll have to contact them to find that out [10:35] what's 202 per server? [10:35] Redhat practically give away their RHEL servers to edu [10:35] oimon: http://shop.canonical.com/index.php?cPath=41_39 [10:36] * daubers os considering setting up a 2 node eucalyptus type thing [10:36] oimon: don't pay, use centos instead, pretty much the same [10:36] MooDoo: yeah, use SL [10:37] community is nicer than centos [10:37] until centos 6 got delayed and they came over to SL [10:37] now more arguments on teh ML [10:37] oimon: SL just another rebranded RHEL? compiled from it's source? [10:38] MooDoo: yep. [10:38] if i'm reading it right on the site [10:38] same as centos [10:38] but seems more active to me [10:38] they usually manage it quicker [10:38] and more serious users [10:38] might have to give it a try, replace my centos boxen :) [10:38] yeah, it has moer people working on it than CentOS [10:38] more professional users in the community than the centos noobs :P [10:39] pros use debian [10:39] er, ubuntu [10:39] oops [10:39] Redhat derivs historically have better support for crappy raid cards and server hardware [10:39] and Dell OMSA [10:39] ah yeah [10:40] but most of my stuff is inside vmware nowadays. [10:40] * MooDoo has a fondness for fedora,centos,rhel :) [10:40] yay vmware :D [10:40] sure u don't want a job ;) [10:40] * MooDoo hugs his esxi server :D [10:40] * iclebyte hugs his conviture setup [10:41] my only wish is that i had a 64bit cpu in my home server so i can upgrade to esxi 4 :D [10:47] oh congratulation anyway popey :D [10:47] hehe [10:47] :D [10:47] thanks [10:47] no more SAP eh! bet that's a relief :) [10:47] Like you wouldn't believe! [10:47] no more iRc ? [10:48] popey: It's ok, I'll give the missus your phone number for when she gets stuck :) [10:50] oh popey, you fool :) [10:54] Farnham, Ash Vale, North Camp, Redhill, Merstham. Not bad for £12.20 return. [10:55] O_o [10:55] Takes about 1:45 hrs though. [10:58] heh Daviey [10:58] TOSDroid: you in Farnham? [10:58] * AlanBell works out who TOSDroid is [10:58] I am leaving Farnham [10:58] Lol [10:59] silly nick Al :) [10:59] I like it [11:02] * daubers goes to get a sandwich [11:03] TOSDroid: = the othe al? [11:04] What do you mean Moodoo? WE are Alan [11:04] resistance is futile [11:04] ok thanks, that's explained it ;) [11:04] nanoo nanoo [11:04] sounds like one of his chickens escaped [11:05] Shazbut [11:05] Shazbut? [11:05] mork and mindy [11:06] Omg [11:07] W00t Ash Vale already. Now to walk quickly to north camp... [11:09] nice walk that [11:10] Yay lunch time is here [11:10] * bigcalm ventures into the rest of his cold cold house [11:12] that well known black hole between Ash Vale and North Camp has TOSDroid [11:14] Ash Vale is right next to the ranges, right? [11:18] not far yeah [11:18] At north camp. [11:30] Train for redhill approaching... [12:00] bizarrely, my insurance renewal quote seems to be in the region of other re-quotes :-\ quite unusual [12:01] Maybe you've hit the maximum insurance quote :) [12:11] anyone know how to boot wubi without splash? [12:13] just had to run down 10 flights of stairs then up again cos the lift has a habit of trapping people :( [12:13] oimon: At least it was down and not up. [12:13] i did down and then up [12:14] all for a drink to have with my lunch :-\ [12:14] i want those calories back...i need them [12:23] morning all [12:25] popey: you working for us now? [12:27] any of you guys use any forums targeted at enterprise networking/sysadmin topics? [12:31] Just the StackExchange ones [12:31] But I don't really hit the sysadmin bits, mostly programming [12:33] * mattt just taped black garbage backs against the windows in the office [12:34] *bags [12:34] wonder how long before the building managers tell me to take them down :P [12:36] iclebyte: ars technica "server room" forum , although they tend to focus on Virtualisation a lot [12:36] mattt: why? want some sleep? [12:37] oimon: far too bright :/ [12:37] wear shades dude [12:37] B-) [12:38] nah [12:38] now i just need to unscrew these bulbs [12:39] or get a cameraman's shade thing between you and the monitor :) [12:39] ok thanks chaps. [12:50] oimon: doing alright, got good grades, future is so bright, i gotta wear shades.... [12:56] Anybody got any good resources on altering SVG's with JS? [12:57] daubers: you can do that using the DOM, just like HTML [12:57] getElementById [12:57] etc. [12:57] Hmmm.. is that the easiest way? [12:57] I doubt it :) [12:57] daubers: This looks like it does what you want and more: http://svgkit.sourceforge.net/ [12:59] Hmmm... that might do [13:06] Argh, why doesn't sshd on Lucid understand ecdsa keys [13:36]