[00:07] \q [04:54] G'day all [05:04] sup andrewlsd [05:06] * andrewlsd greets superfly [05:33] morning [05:49] hiya sakhi [06:10] morning superfly and all others [06:10] oh my the fly not here [06:19] morning [06:20] hi Squirm [06:22] o/ mornings oom Kilos, Squirm, sakhi [06:22] hi nuvolari [06:22] hi sakhi [06:53] hi andrewlsd [06:54] hi Guest3684 [06:55] hei kilos [06:55] hud === Guest3684 is now known as Luanda [06:56] hud? [06:57] Um kwl tnx n u? [06:57] kiff ty [06:57] G'morn! [06:58] hi Vince-0 [06:58] another kak day in paradise! [06:58] hey Vince-0 [06:59] lol [06:59] hey hey, work work *peon voice* [07:02] thats life Vince-0 you got many years ahead of same thing [07:02] ha! what if I'm 60? NOT [07:02] the trick is learning to enjoy it , then its not so bad [07:02] yeah!~ looking at starting my own company soon [07:03] lol how old be ya [07:03] 25 [07:03] whew long way to go. what company you planning [07:04] Tech company using open source VoIP software and dev platforms for BI and BPO [07:05] pitching platforms for getting minutes to termination providers - but there is a big gap on the management systems because the traditional ones cost so much [07:05] good direction [07:06] I've seen so many companies using GoAutoDial to do power dialling etc - based on Asterisk [07:07] but I've got an American master's degree Java architect on board so thats sweet [07:07] yeah [07:07] my new play thing is currently Freeswitch [07:07] Hi kilos [07:15] Vince-0, am I correct that freeswitch is SIP router rather than a PBX? [07:16] if not, what are key differences to Asterisk [07:16] freeswitch is very much like Asterisk feature wise - but the internals are fundamentaly different [07:17] both are reffered to as back to back SIP switches but can do many protocol types including xmpp, mumble etc [07:17] I read about it locking channels differently [07:17] yes! the state/threading models are very different - [07:17] To make i less prone to system lock ups [07:17] freeswitch looks to be a better bet for web app development purposes because it is all configured in xml [07:18] K [07:18] check out FusionPBX project - awesome functionality front end for freeswitch [07:18] Does it still support dial plans [07:18] oh yes, it even has a module to interpret asterisk dial plans [07:18] Link to it? [07:19] http://www.fusionpbx.com/ [07:19] Sweet thanks [07:20] freeswitch seems waay more flexible - although asterisk 10 is just announced and I still havn't understood what exactly Asterisk SCF is [07:22] Performance wise, does freeswitch perform better in terms of memory and cpu on same mum of calls. Or is that a bogus question? [07:23] I'd say that it does! Although I'm not sure how different the new Asterisk version's media handling has changed [07:24] Vince-0, ta [07:24] the other thing about freeswitch is that they have demoted the IAX2 libraries to testing trunk because Digium isn't updating the open libraries [07:25] Yeah. Lots of unhappiness with digium in forums [07:25] aah! I'm currently testing: http://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/Connecting_Freeswitch_And_Asterisk [07:26] in fact, I hear some key digium engineers talking about using freeswitch in front of asterisk to handle SIP type proxying where OpenSIP/SIR/Kamilio is overkill [07:27] I saw queries about freeswitch first c/o the "mesh potato" project [07:27] Kind of like running freeswitch in dd-wrt [07:28] yes! I've seen freeswitch for pfsense etc - nice and small [07:28] was reading about that village telco - mash potato project . very nice [07:29] still, need to put freeswitch through its paces in a production environment though. the developers are very active - currently making HA modules for FS [07:31] do you have links for any freeswitch VM appliances for testing purposes? [07:31] hmm, not really - I was using FusionPBX ISO's in Virtualbox [07:31] K [07:32] Yeah will do that too, in kvm [07:37] some Freeswitch guis: http://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/Freeswitch_Gui [07:39] Ta [08:12] can someone do me a favour and send a test email to aa@tenet.ac.za [08:13] and tell me if they get an auto reply [08:13] k sym [08:14] on its way [08:14] eish missed the audio bit [08:15] hope its a small audio file [08:15] Symmetria, ^^ [08:15] thanks :) though LOL, I think the office email server just went down so gotta wait for that ot come back to see if you get an auto reply [08:15] no reply yet [08:15] lol yeah the office dsl just went down by the looks of things [08:16] oh auto [08:16] eye not seeing good [08:30] Symmetria, lemme know when its up again [09:02] morning Kilos [09:10] o/ [09:11] hi nlsthzn [09:11] Hey uncle Kilos :) [09:31] hiya kbmonkey [09:31] o/ kbmonkey ... [09:32] that vnstat eats data not iftop [09:32] hi Kilos nlsthzn [09:32] used a weeks data in one day and with iftop off i saw nothing [09:32] hehe [09:33] cant be, vnstat does not open any sockets, it just monitors the /proc/net files [09:33] that's why I use it ;) [09:33] hows you otherwise? [09:33] then i dunno but now i purged it and watching with iftop again [09:34] did iftop report what was using your data? [09:34] used 700k all morn [09:34] lost 14 meg yesterday [09:34] ouch :( [09:34] no you two told me to close it [09:34] lol [09:35] no I meant you use iftop to track down the culprit, that's it's primary purpose after all [09:35] yeah but it must be running at the time [09:36] unfortunate :( [09:36] np we just squeeze harder [09:36] I take your auto updates are turned off? [09:36] yes everything [09:37] maybe it was one of these bad guys that use your pc to send spam or something i dunno [09:37] but i have firewall and clamtk [09:38] saw in the lists from linuxtips i think you can make it so your pc cant be pinged [09:38] anyone else remember if we did anything else this month? [09:38] why do you have clam? [09:38] dunno if i must do that [09:38] in case of virusses [09:39] found 2 a week back [09:39] trojans [09:39] but was stupid in not saving the record [09:39] well I trust the docs, iftop warns about data usage ;) [09:39] I can't think of any superfly [09:40] yeah but im sure it doesnt use data on its own [09:40] yes it does, unless you use the -n option [09:41] oh check your clam update method too, [09:41] ok i will do it that way then [09:41] remember windows viruses cant affect you Kilos [09:41] i just basically need to know when to go offline [09:41] not my kernel but what about things like pidgin [09:42] have had some funny probs with pidgin over the past 2 years [09:42] needed to purge and install from scratch to get going again [09:42] Same here, I stopped using pidgin [09:43] na it the best [09:43] but got bugs from msn [09:43] now it seems ok last few months [09:43] I like it's mxit support, that's neat [09:44] yeah [09:44] all my local fam are mxit peeps [09:44] oh I have pidgin installed already, okay then :D [09:44] lol [09:44] pidgin rocks [09:45] and can do otr as well [09:45] oops, forgot my mxit pin. he he [09:45] haha [09:45] mxit don't work on my phone [09:46] onna bb? [09:46] yup [09:46] I haven't used mxit in years [09:46] it did, then they changed it, then it didn't [09:46] they want you to bbm the swines [09:47] I'm racking my brain, google can't help me [09:47] try a reinstall of mxit [09:47] using python, I want to find out how to get a segment of a circle if I have an angle. phew [09:48] whew [09:48] I'm sure it's something rather simple, my trig is not that great though [09:48] * kbmonkey <-- no pay attention in maths class [09:48] ya me too [09:50] kbmonkey: segment? [09:52] or a point, but in the end I want a section of the circle [09:52] like a slice [09:52] like say a slice of a pizza :D [09:53] but only the crust, a slice of the circumference... in other words [09:54] maybe I am just googling the wrong keywords... let's try other phrases [09:55] ill be back later guys. [09:55] be good [10:00] kbmonkey: how is the segment measured? [10:01] do you mean how long should it be? [10:02] you said you want the segment... I'm wondering what is used to describe that segment [10:02] like an angle is measured in degrees, and a line is measured in points, what is a segment measured in? [10:02] oh [10:03] well points, but now I think degrees will be easier [10:04] If I have angle A, I could just get the point A-1 deg, and A+1 deg, and the segment in between will do [10:04] that way, I can vary the segment size by just increasing +-1 [10:05] sorry I'm not sure how to explain it very well. A picture would probably explain it all [10:11] yes that will work, thanks superfly, I just needed someone to make me think differently ;) [11:03] howdy all [11:06] o/ [11:09] yo magespawn [11:10] Maaz: tell kbmonkey Well, truth be told, I was just trying to understand what you were trying to do :-D [11:10] superfly: Sure, I'll tell kbmonkey on freenode [11:24] hi superfly [13:37] * nuvolari pops in and out [14:18] superfly I got it. I wanted to find a point on a circle by angle. I used a parametric equation for a circle. tops [14:51] kbmonkey: you there? [17:24] Maaz: seen kilos [17:24] nuvolari: kilos was last seen 7 hours, 28 minutes and 36 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2011-10-28 11:55:42 SAST], and has been offline on freenode since 2011-10-28 11:56:07 SAST [17:44] evening all [17:45] Maaz, coffee on [17:45] * Maaz puts the kettle on [17:49] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [17:52] Maaz, ty [17:52] Enjoy Kilos [18:28] hello Kilos [18:29] nuvolari o/ [18:29] hiya kbmonkey [18:29] o/ apie :D [18:29] getting into python nicely tonight :) [18:29] hoe gaan dit daar by die ander see? [18:29] stuur groete vir tafelberg [18:29] en sê ek verlang [18:30] ek sal die dassies groete stuur van durbs af! [18:30] good lad , python rocks [18:30] Kilos: if it wasnt for java, you did not have any coffee from Maaz :P [18:31] maar laat ons nou nie 'n geveg oopkrap nie [18:31] :P [18:31] lol i love my java [18:31] with cremora and milk [18:34] ha ha! [18:34] yup java is tops too, but I'll leave that to the experts ;) [18:34] kbmonkey, you gotta get things together for lpi hey [18:34] no loafing [18:34] * nuvolari hides before oom Kilos does more pointing [18:35] i know Kilos! I'm trying to learn python somewhat so I can secure a job too [18:35] hehe [18:35] good lad [18:35] not too much holidaying and site seeing [18:36] :-/ I had F(r)U(stratio)N today learning how to work with apache lucene [18:37] indian fodder [18:37] hurrrmmmm [18:37] hey zeref [18:37] hi Kilos [18:38] o hi zeref [18:38] * nuvolari waves [18:38] Hi :-) [18:38] zeref o\ [18:38] i understand nuvolari i spend the whole day trying to install an aaplication on amazon linux [18:38] hi kbmonkey :-D [18:39] nuvolari, do you know if one kan go to google and setup that site goodie with elinks [18:39] or maybe the monkey knows [18:39] Kilos: hmm, will check quick oom [18:39] he uses elinks [18:39] i do :D [18:39] what site goodie? [18:40] nuvolari, tell him [18:40] kbmonkey: just plain google sites [18:40] een ding van die kaap, die vrugte is so lekker! [18:40] *GoogleSites [18:40] ah, [18:40] kbmonkey: *en* die wyn [18:40] wyn++ [18:40] WINE [18:40] Kilos: it works oom [18:40] lol [18:41] yay i will try it then [18:41] maybe [18:41] my google is full [18:41] haven't tried google sites with elinks yet, should do, sites uses very simple styling, not much javascript or any flash [18:41] gamil [18:41] gmail [18:41] your gmail is full? wow. yes i sit on 40% myself [18:42] need to clear all the mail one day [18:43] it eats data just to go there with ff or epiphany [18:43] you want to make a site Kilos ? [18:43] yeah so tara can put her songs there for me to wget [18:43] I use elinks with my gmail now, the basic html gmail version, works good [18:44] kbmonkey: you should check out pine [18:44] there was something else, can't remember now [18:44] ah, alpine [18:44] :P [18:45] sorry your net got eaten Kilos :/ [18:45] huh? [18:45] ah thanks nuvolari! I tried mutt but couldn't figure out how to get my email into it :p [18:46] i use a text music player, file manager and web browser now. lol [18:46] yeah... mutt. 'nuff said. [18:46] saw an add on tv tonight. 8ta 3g data for R149 [18:46] 8ta? [18:46] kbmonkey: what file browser? (you actually use a text file browser? what's wrong with ls? :P) [18:46] telkom broadband [18:46] ha ha! [18:46] mc [18:47] and starter packs for 99c at checkers [18:47] err, this wifi is hard to tell how much data I have left [18:49] nursing data really sucks [18:49] installing alpine, if i DC i ran out :D [18:49] lol [18:49] each time I need to reset my wifi as their portal site stops working when that happens. weird [18:51] kbmonkey: just need to figure out how to set up alpine with google authentication (application-specific passwords) [18:52] doing that now, let's ask google [18:53] Kilos if you want to get files, dropbox might be better [18:53] where is that thing [18:54] sure i saw something like that in my evolution [18:54] and each site has a limit of 100MB [18:54] some box [18:54] said save to that box but didnt work [18:54] dropbox is a website where you can 'drop' your files to share [18:55] dropbox is similar to ubuntu one [18:55] oh [18:55] then its browser to get there [18:56] i just need a place to wget the odd song from my brat [18:56] not neccesary [18:56] tara will use the site to setup an account, then give you the link which you can still wget [18:57] any files you put in the "Public" folder in dropbox, has a link you can give your friends. It is a direct link to the file, so wget works [18:57] lol she fulla like her mother [18:57] dropbog, googlesitebox, some diff :P [18:58] (wget included) [18:58] hmm. wonder how well google+ will handle that? [18:59] they talk about videos, but I wonder if they support audio [18:59] and she a youtube fool so will be hard to convince her otherwise but i will try [18:59] * nuvolari tests [18:59] google+ also eats data [18:59] Kilos: tell her youtube is not from google [18:59] she isnt a google fan [18:59] google owns youtube now [19:00] i got her to open her gmail account [19:00] ah [19:00] * Kilos hates youtube [19:01] its like watching some mongrel eating your rump steak [19:02] lol Kilos ! [19:04] inetpro, lewe jy nog [19:05] kbmonkey, must you use a soecial command to get elinks working to set up a site at gmail [19:06] do you actually log into gmail or just google [19:06] when you logged into google, at the top are links, one called "Sites" [19:06] or go to sites.google.com [19:07] you see that in elinks? [19:07] whoot! got my alpine working [19:07] I typed that into elinks yes [19:07] what is alpine nuvolari [19:08] Kilos: a text email client oom [19:08] ah ty [19:08] surely with http:// in front hey [19:09] kbmonkey: I got the good stuff if you want some :P [19:09] pretty standard alpine setup, and found out how to make it remember your password [19:09] i set mine up, seems to take, but how to I retrieve email? lol [19:10] yes if you have a link please :D [19:10] kbmonkey: how did you set it up? I use imap [19:10] there's nothing special, just select the folder list [19:10] imap [19:10] i could never get imap working [19:10] well, it's showing everything from my inbox, I did not figure out how to reach different labels yet :P [19:11] woot it sent an email! [19:11] use that other thing [19:11] pop [19:11] need to find out how to import my address book [19:11] kbmonkey: http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2009/10/do_you_want_the_alpine_email_c.php [19:12] for passwords ^^ [19:13] thanks! [19:14] kbmonkey: http://studioshorts.com/blog/2009/11/using-alpine-to-check-your-emailgmail-in-linux-terminal/ going to try this for labels [19:15] you move fast, I still can't see my inbox :p [19:16] grr cant even login to tgoogle sites with elinks [19:16] I'm logged in Kilos [19:17] you know where you scroll down to sign in and type in mail addrsss and password [19:17] cant get even to password [19:18] that's not right [19:18] bah :-/ kbmonkey what username/password do I use for sending mail? Think I'm missing something :P not the same credentials as for fetching mail [19:19] where it say email i start typing msdomdonner and it open a little line with autho goody first [19:19] Kilos does your typing enter into the box, press enter first to focus it? [19:20] oh sec i see [19:20] w00t that works [19:20] nuvolari you enter Menu Setup Config and go down to SMTP [19:20] ty [19:21] and enter: smtp.gmail.com:587/tls/user=your-gmail-address@gmail.com [19:21] whoops, need to change my signature :P [19:21] now it asks for my mobile fone number [19:21] grrrr [19:22] kbmonkey: I figured it needs the application-specific password again [19:22] so it's worknig now [19:22] skip that Kilos its just their security update thingy [19:22] app specific password? [19:23] ha ha it was working all along nuvolari, I just didnt realize I can Enter on the mailbox :p [19:24] labels and all [19:24] now it wants to open evince% [19:24] grrr [19:24] when you said skip that i hit enter [19:24] i followed this one nuvolari https://www.cs.virginia.edu/~csadmin/wiki/index.php/Settin [19:25] but that link you sent me for the labels is the final clue [19:26] found the click here to skip this step [19:26] :) [19:26] kbmonkey: does your labels work? [19:27] yes [19:27] kbmonkey: the app-specific password you need to use when you enabled 2-step verification in your google account [19:27] but you know my link, it sets up a second mail folder, that one has labels that work, but the INBOX label shows empty :p [19:27] ooooh [19:28] but the Gmail/All Mail label works [19:29] nuvolari, do i now scroll down to create for this google site thing [19:29] this is too cool [19:29] it shows my site [19:30] did you create one Kilos? [19:30] Kilos: hmm, not sure how the rest of the site stuffies work on elinks [19:30] does it now want to topen a new site or is that the place for this 100m thingie [19:31] no man i talking about my yola site i think its showing here [19:32] lol it says mileyssite shared with everyone in the world [19:32] but thats at yola no google? [19:34] yola? [19:34] cant scroll to create it goes past [19:34] Maaz, kilos.site [19:34] http://mileys-site.yolasite.com/ [19:35] thanks nuvolari for recommending alpine! you the best! [19:35] dunno how that linked to google [19:36] cant scroll to create or click it [19:36] i give up now [19:36] head thumping [19:37] grr grr [19:37] sjoe sounds like a problem Kilos [19:38] lol yeah they want me to use a standard browser [19:38] swines [19:38] :D got my folders worknig at last :P [19:38] no problem kbmonkey [19:38] Kilos: hang on [19:39] let me check [19:39] via the Message [I]ndex? [19:39] ok [19:40] Kilos: ok, what do yo uwant to do? I can see your site at https://sites.google.com/site/mileyssite [19:41] il look now now Kilos [19:41] Maaz: kilos.site is http://mileys-site.yolasite.com and https://sites.google.com/site/mileyssite [19:41]