[01:28] lightdm is funny between my laptop and my desktop [01:28] laptop i used the 11.10 disk and the lightdm is kinda ugly [01:29] desktop i had 11.04 installed and upgraded to 11.10 and the lightdm is kinda pretty [01:29] Xubuntu 11.10 final? [01:29] i believe so Unit193 [01:30] i thought i also looked at the lidhtdm package and it only had a single upload (i could be wrong) [01:30] Can you dpkg -l |grep lightdm on both? [01:30] sure...i'll do laptop right now ('ats where i'm at) [01:31] ii liblightdm-gobject-1-0 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 LightDM GObject client library [01:31] ii lightdm 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Display Manager [01:31] ii lightdm-gtk-greeter 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 LightDM GTK+ Greeter [01:31] okay, moving upstairs, give me a moment (or maybe 1.5386th of a moment) [01:32] Heh, nice [01:33] Unit193, what was that command? dpkg -l | grep lightdm ? [01:33] Yep [01:33] ii liblightdm-gobject-1-0 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 LightDM GObject client library [01:33] ii lightdm 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Display Manager [01:33] ii lightdm-gtk-greeter 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 LightDM GTK+ Greeter [01:34] when i updated the desktop (one i'm on now) it gave me a choice between dgm and lightdm [01:34] don't know if that is usefull or not [01:34] * scott-upstairs is going downstairs so i can compare my results [01:35] hmmm, that looks like the same [01:35] Same version [01:35] you want i should take a picture of the different lightdm screens? [01:35] i can reboot and give you pictures [01:36] lightdm --test-mode is all you'd need really [01:38] says i need Xephyr...finding it and installing it [01:38] Well, I'm not sure what I can tell you after that [01:40] okay, here's the not-so-pretty one: http://imagebin.org/181178 [01:42] Sadly, that's the default :/ [01:43] I don't know what you'd have with the nice one, but I wouldn't think it's the Unity one [01:43] it looks like what i remember the unity one looked like [01:43] almost done [01:43] http://imagebin.org/181179 [01:44] * scott-upstairs and ScottL are going to play with son before bed time (for him) [01:44] That's half Untiy [01:44] Ok, sorry I couldn't help really. You may be able to install the unity greeter though :P [01:45] that's okay, i thought maybe my laptop was something wrong [10:24] ScottL: you first screenshot is lightdm-gtk-greeter with greybird (it looks like that in xubuntu), and the second one is the unity greeter [10:25] http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/upandrunning.png [10:25] :) [10:28] Onboard wont work [10:28] no window manager to make it movable [10:46] hey everyone, i just quickly wanted to share something i stumbled across today [10:47] it's customized xubuntu and there could be some interesting elements we'd like to pick up there [10:47] http://voyager.legtux.org/ [10:47] (it's in french, but there's a video of it in action) [10:47] and if you don't understand french, ask mr_pouit – i'm sure he's got nothing better to do ;) [10:51] ok, i'm off again, see you! [11:10] ochosi, can you elaborate a bit more when you get back - what is what you think we could copy? [11:22] knome: the greeter we worked on last release, is the graphical profile for that still acceptable? [14:16] madnick, yup [15:44] GridCube, welcome :P [15:45] knome: :D thank you === knome changed the topic of #xubuntu-devel to: Xubuntu Development | Support at #xubuntu | Working on: Precise Pangolin | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu | Testing for Precise begins 2011-11-28 [15:46] i think we should create a "developer resources" page at xubuntu.org when we get to release the new website [15:46] with links to release schedule, wiki, LP bugs, etc. [15:47] and the iso reports too [15:47] :) that would be nice [15:48] GridCube, in "daily online reporting system", would you report "onlines" ?:P [15:48] one thing i would like to add to the reporting interface is a dynamic "this are the bugs that are bothering us now" so when you are reporting you can actually test those bugs to see if they still happen or no [15:48] daily reporting system online rather [15:49] why not [15:49] would those be pulled from LP directly (any bugs with tag something-unique) ? [15:49] :P oh well my mind think in spañish [15:49] i think it should pull them from the reports [15:49] but i think daily iso reporting system is way more descriptive [15:49] right... [15:50] :D i think its good too, but you said it could turn into any kind of reporting [15:50] :P [15:50] yeah [15:50] if you do, rename the project to something completely different then [15:50] Daily Testings Results Reporting System :P [15:50] like, "the fox in your armpit" [15:51] hahaha [15:51] mr_pouit: for this system, LGPL vs GPL? [15:51] feel free to select the project name yourself, but my favourite is "DIRS" :) [15:51] i should say, i've used example code from the PHP manuals and help from forums [15:51] knome: i already registered dirs [15:51] hehe [15:51] that would cause any problem? [15:52] i don't think, because you probably want to rewrite most of it to enable modularity [15:52] :P [15:52] https://launchpad.net/dirs [15:52] well anyway we will changeit for sqlite [15:53] and if it's single things, like "how does one connect to mysql server", that can't really be licensed :P [15:53] :D [15:55] :D good then madnick [15:55] i like that name [15:55] Now we need to send the mail to devel [15:55] you could set xubuntu website team as the driver for the project for now [15:56] okay [15:56] :) [15:56] (if you think the website team should drive the development ;)) [15:56] :D [15:57] I'm very tired, as I got up very early, question is if I should work out the -devel email tonight or tomorrow when im more clear [15:57] GridCube: when do you get online tomorrow? [15:57] oh ... [15:58] tomorrow is saturday, no work, have to visit a library to desing an automation system for it, so... say 17:00GTM-3¿? [15:58] okay :) [15:58] madnick, whatever suites you best. you can just send a real quick email today, and send an another today explaining the stuff more [15:59] true [15:59] I wanted to make a spec before acctually submitting, so that we can get some input [15:59] you could point them to our current interface [15:59] :P [16:00] yeah [16:00] saying this is alpha 0.03 [16:00] or, you can just write the mail when you are ready [16:01] :P [16:01] no rush [16:14] you know what would be a good name for the project? [16:14] marathon, becuase (iso) testing/reporting is not something you want/should do for only a short time [16:15] :) [16:16] I bet thats taken [16:16] marathon-rs [16:16] rs for reporting system [16:17] true, it is a good name [16:17] or marathon-reports [16:18] "rs" sounds better [16:18] i think [16:18] heh [16:18] knome: i can indeed change the project name, but i cannot change "dirs" from the url :( [16:18] but that's not so different from -rs, if that's an issue [16:19] err, marathon-rs is not so different from marathon [16:20] not a problem however, it will appear as marathon-rs [16:20] or you can just remove the project [16:20] and create new [16:20] :P [16:20] haha [16:21] well, no harm done yet really [16:21] nothing you should worry of losing [16:21] im just a bit confused why i cannot change that [16:21] it would be a trival thing for them to implement [16:22] don't know [16:22] maybe they don't want people to lose the urls/get confused when a project name changes [16:24] knome: no worries, the admins can do it for me [16:24] it says on there [16:24] hehe [16:24] meh, i should assemble an ikea shelf [16:24] billy? :D [16:25] almost [16:25] benno (that's the cd shelf for the billy series) [16:25] oh [16:25] it's the 6th we'll have :PP [16:25] i have a narrow billy shelf too [16:25] i can't even get that filled :( [16:26] i got an ikea bed just a couple of weeks ago, took me 2 hours to assemble it [16:26] lol [16:26] then i noticed that, i couldve just got the matrass [16:26] we actually bought a spare part for our ikea bed too :P [16:27] in double-beds they have this very light metal bar in the middle [16:27] to hold the wooden bars [16:27] well, the metal teared and bended [16:27] oh, my bed is like 2 metal bars on the sides and one in the middle [16:27] of course [16:27] yeah [16:27] it's wider in the middle? [16:27] yes [16:27] that's what got borked :P [16:28] :o [16:28] yeah [16:28] there's the taps in the ends? [16:28] to hold the wooden bars [16:28] yes [16:28] you like just put it there [16:28] not attached [16:28] between those taps and the wall [16:28] the metal said "RRRRRIP" [16:28] too much weight to that spot [16:28] now im gonna be scared to sleep :D [16:28] lol [16:29] it won't drop you [16:29] it just makes the bed wind in the middle if it rips :P [16:29] AND THAT SUCKS [16:29] indeed [16:29] sleeping on a slanted base... BAH [16:30] but yeah, i fixed that today with the spare part :P [16:30] 16e for the spare part [16:30] did i already say that? :P [16:30] nope [16:30] XD [16:30] yup [16:30] ikea [16:30] not too much really [16:30] XD [16:30] here in argentina we buy stuff thats already done :P [16:30] GridCube, none of the other stores had a bed with as simple design (we wanted really plain) [16:31] when i came home and realized that the matrass is basically the bed, i got mad for spending 400 euro on the frame itself [16:31] :P yes, a lot of those [16:31] GridCube, you're free to buy that here too, but it's 2 or more times expensive [16:31] madnick, lol :D [16:31] :o [16:31] ikea is really cheap [16:31] you don't get sad if you break something [16:31] you just buy a new one [16:32] yes, thats capitalism for you [16:32] XD [16:32] yup :P [16:32] so well, what should learn? [16:32] of course i'd rather buy quality stuff for a more expensive price... [16:32] sqlite? [16:33] but from my experiences, it's not any better quality, and you just get sad when it breaks :( [16:33] knome: do you know the Vimes Theory Of Really Cheap Boots? [16:33] no [16:33] (this starts to be offtopic, just as we moved our discussion here :P) [16:33] :P Vimes is a character on the discworld books of terry pratchett [16:33] oh yes [16:33] sorry [16:33] XD [16:33] i don't read fantasy or scifi at all [16:33] np :P [16:34] I'M THE KING [16:34] hahaha [16:34] XD [16:34] anyway, about sqlite.. [16:34] if you want it to be light, sqlite can be a good choice [16:34] you probably should discuss about it with madnick [16:35] if he has a vision for the project [16:35] sqlite might also be a bad choice, if you want to build something really heavy [16:35] http://wiki.lspace.org/wiki/Sam_Vimes_Theory_of_Economic_Injustice http://cartermagna.blogspot.com/2009/09/captain-samuel-vimes-boots-theory-of.html [16:35] (database abstraction ftw, but that's outside the scope of this project) [16:36] knome: the thing is, i don't think the database would be soooo big [16:36] i mean, its pretty simple stuff [16:37] FAIL/PASS, BUG, NICKS [16:37] depends on what you want to pull out from it [16:37] thats about ti [16:37] Well, its also the factor of: not requiring any mysql server [16:37] And being redistributable [16:37] yes [16:37] and what's the scale [16:37] 1000 reporters? [16:37] 10000 reports per day? [16:37] you don't want sqlite... [16:37] D: if we ever get to that! [16:38] with luck we have 50 reportes and 10 reports a day [16:38] i wasn't talking about xubuntu, i was talking about any of the other stuff people might use the project for [16:39] oh [16:39] i see [16:39] meh. going to assemble the shelf now [16:39] more or less afk for a moment -> [16:39] well maybe porting it from sqlite to mysql isnt that hard [16:39] Well, we could make an "installer" [16:39] web based [16:40] That allows you to pick [16:40] and choose what database to use :) [16:40] yeah [16:40] i was thinking about that too [16:40] or atleast [16:40] but then we should code twice? [16:40] MySQL vs SQLite [16:41] Well [16:41] We might not need to, there is libs for that [16:41] But if we choose to [16:41] i guess we could, if its only SQLite and MySQL [16:42] yes i think we should keep on those too [16:42] s/too/two/ [16:44] Or we could just go with MySQL, while also allowing exports [16:45] :) i like that one too [17:39] madnick, db abstraction, yeah.. :P [17:40] madnick, i suppose there is tons of libs [17:40] madnick, even a canonical written one [17:41] no, wait, my memory fails, it was ORM [17:41] or is that === [17:41] or == [17:47] cody-somerville, will you make me the owner/admin of xubuntu-users too, so i can change the branding etc. thanks! :) [18:01] https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-art [18:01] :P [18:05] Poor GridCube has been waiting there since June [18:06] :P [18:06] D: that logo [18:06] is so weird [18:07] no really, what happened to that logo? [18:08] lol [18:08] it depicts "artists" :P [18:08] Need to update https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-testers too :D [18:09] yeah. [18:10] i was actually thinking of recoloring the base logo [18:10] for -art too [18:10] red for testers, something else for -art [18:10] and -web needs a color too [18:13] lol i was not in that group :P [18:14] i approved you :P [18:22] https://launchpad.net/~knome [18:22] now watch and be in awe [18:22] :P [18:22] (look at the team membership icons) [18:23] hmm, devs need a new icon too [18:23] cody-somerville, can you also change the owner of xubuntu-dev to team too [20:47] :) knome thanks for accepting me on xubuntu-testers :P [20:49] np [21:15] scott-upstairs: Welcome back, got your greeters figured out? [22:21] pleia2, ? [22:39] knome: not sure whether there's anything we actually *want*. i'm just usually interested in how people customize xfce :) [22:40] well, on second thought, the conky-stuff could be interesting. at least i remember discussions about including it by default in xubuntu during the last cycle [22:40] yeah [22:41] in fact maybe installing it by default but adding some easy switches for it might be nice [22:42] mm-hmm [22:42] oh, another thing i've been thinking about: replacing the current time-plugin by the timedate plugin. its calender-function seems like a really nice orage-replacement, especially since it always pops up in the correct/expected place [22:42] a-ha [22:42] i've no idea about that [22:43] hm, check it out. it's really quite customizable and fine. i think the package is called xfce4-timedate-plugin [22:44] i just have a reaaaaally plain clock [22:44] meh, LP is slow again :) [22:44] yeah, but still it might be nice to have a calendar pop up when you click it, no? :) [22:44] i just made some modifications to our website branches, and these might be the last changes before publishing [22:45] maybe, but i also have a moleskine calendar :P [22:45] hehe [22:45] me too [22:45] i never use online calendars [22:45] well yeah, i think it could be niceish [22:45] hmm, already looking forward to the new website [22:45] agreed, except "-online" :P [22:45] can't believe it's finally happening :) [22:46] me neither. [22:46] though it take some time to get the last pull and push to porduction [22:46] we've been waiting a week with ubuntu studio to get any reply [22:46] (we've just asked if we could get staging) [22:46] i think we'll do as much of the development on private servers as possible this time [22:47] pff, seems you're high on the list of priorities [22:47] then push once, and check if anything breask [22:47] *breaks [22:47] haha [22:47] ochosi, :P could i bothehr you on a newer albatros theme? [22:47] ochosi, btw, did you notice the new xubuntu-related team icons in LP? :) [22:48] * knome hides [22:48] knome: not really, haven't had any time to look at lp lately [22:48] well i did that today [22:48] GridCube: yeah, i hope i'll get down to that at some point [22:48] ochosi, look at https://launchpad.net/~knome [22:48] * ochosi thinks he should start to do todo-lists again [22:48] ochosi, i still need to fix -dev [22:49] so you've given them all different shades of blue :p [22:49] yeah1 [22:49] ! [22:49] isn't that great [22:49] ochosi, wanna see my desktop :D? [22:50] GridCube: sure, go ahead [22:50] ochosi, think how cool https://launchpad.net/~mrpouit will be ! [22:50] knome: i've no clue what it was before :) [22:50] ochosi, just some random icons [22:50] knome: haha, xubuntu-dev really scales well [22:50] yeah, "well" [22:50] even the logo-size is kind of.. ugly [22:51] with the old logo, with the "shine" style [22:51] yeah [22:51] lionel has a shitload of karma [22:51] not as much as ~mvo :( [22:52] true [22:54] http://imagebin.org/181309 [22:54] :D [22:54] bah, how can it be you have 63 more karma than me? [22:54] :P [22:55] GridCube: looks nice [22:55] :D [22:55] looks good GridCube [22:55] i've started to use a semi-transparent panel lately [22:55] :D thank you [22:55] black and semi-transparent [22:55] what is in the launcher that you have open? [22:55] not as good as mine!! http://temp.knome.fi/other/shot-20111028.png [22:55] its just slightly transparent [22:55] beardygnome, my pseudo-places [22:56] knome: yeah, i like yours a lot ;) [22:56] are they just custom launchers then? [22:56] knome: how wide is your desktop?! [22:56] ochosi, yeah. note the album covers :) [22:56] beardygnome, 3840 pixels [22:57] beardygnome, two widescreen 24"'s [22:57] beardygnome, https://plus.google.com/u/0/104777644685667373488/posts/jPyhGpMGTcM [22:57] yes basically [22:57] knome: you should use our ppa for gmb ;) [22:57] probably [22:57] GridCube: is it conky that provides the weather for you? [22:57] beardygnome, http://www.flickr.com/photos/emunkki/3707110680/ [22:57] no, screenlets [22:58] knome: the songtree looks nicer with it [22:58] heh [22:58] i think it's the only time i've had so much icons [22:58] (re: flickr) [22:58] funny how it ended up in a photo [22:58] also note... same panel layout as now, with bluebird :)) [22:59] btw, "we" (as in: you) should do a new wallpaper for the next release [22:59] GridCube: what's wrong with the actual places menu? [22:59] too many icons [22:59] ochosi, i was just thinking i'd send a mail to the ML telling i'll add you to our artwork team if nobody objects [23:00] i just need fast access to my most used folders, the standard places uses all the thunar favourites [23:01] GridCube, don't overuse the gtk bookmarks :P [23:01] also the default folder thing that comes whit the pseudo-dock is awful [23:01] so before knowing that places was back i did it :P [23:02] knome: sure, go ahead [23:02] GridCube: yeah, i hate the directory menu [23:02] ochosi, hehe :) [23:03] :D [23:03] MEH [23:03] i should change my sig [23:03] done [23:08] here's my desktop - http://imagebin.org/181315 [23:09] desktop icons :P [23:09] yep [23:10] should really clear them down again, getting too many on there [23:11] right, here's mine. http://imagebin.org/181316 [23:13] recursive desktop screenshots [23:14] :-) [23:17] http://gridcube.deviantart.com/gallery/?catpath=/customization/screenshots/#/d1dau26 [23:17] ;D [23:17]