[01:06] how can i allow connecting on some port from inside a network? i can telnet from locahost but not another server :/ [01:07] even over public i cant :( [06:26] Off to homecamp this weekend. If you're going, say hi! [06:39] What is homecamp? [06:43] Morning [06:50] mornin' [06:54] * daubers waits for the coffee to brew [06:57] * ball shouldn't drink coffee at 01:57, but it's tempting. [07:02] \o/ coffee [07:18] * daubers needs to go buy a computer headset :( [07:19] * ball needs to go to bed. [07:19] ...and perhaps to buy a more modern PC. [07:19] heh [07:21] Uh oh. Fork's out of bed. [07:21] Morning all [07:28] \o [07:28] Morning canonipopey [07:29] * daubers wonders if klas olufson sells soldering braid [08:11] daubers: I believe it does [08:12] Morning all! [08:52] aloha [08:54] morning [09:01] I've just installed pidgin-skype and when I go to add my account there are two options. "Skype" and "Skype (D-Bus) What does the D-Bus option do? [09:22] bah, memory fail [09:25] popey: what did you forget, get bacon for saturday sandwich breakfast [09:25] hah [09:25] cause that would be fail [09:25] forgot what gnome 3 fallback mode was called [09:25] czajkowski: much planned in the evenings at UDS? [09:26] popey: tuesday so far for UW, after that probaly wednesday the florida loco event which is on the LD [09:26] I happen to have a hire car [09:26] :o [09:36] i can haz bacon sandwich and tea [09:36] good start [09:51] I have a local .deb I'd like to install but 'dpkg -i' is not pulling in the deps should I be using ap-get? [09:51] *apt-get [09:57] feisar: apt-get install -f will fix it for you [09:57] If I remember rightly, don't seem to install local debs anymore [09:58] nperry: thanks, the repo version of OpenERP is old so I'm using the .deb from their website [10:04] you could use gdebi [10:04] which will pull in deps [10:04] instead of dpkg [10:05] oh right cheers [10:33] guys... my unity panels and launchers just dissapeared [10:33] all i have is a menu bar at the top of the screen for nautilus [10:33] * MartijnVdS blames gord [10:33] problem persists when I restart [10:38] anyone know what the Binary is called for compiz-config-settings manager? [10:39] ccsm [10:39] but that tends to break things worse, not fix them [10:39] (For me anyway) [10:39] unity --reset can sometimes help a bit [10:39] AlanBell: I had a crash that wasn't even fixed by that yesterday [10:40] AlanBell: had to log out, remove all traces of compiz/unity from ~/.compiz, ~/.config etc. [10:40] and then it worked again [10:40] for some reason the unity-panel-services wouldn't start [10:40] yeah, if you use ccsm unity tends to get it's revenge on you in the end [10:41] * MartijnVdS wonders why they didn't work _with_ compiz but _against_ it [10:41] I just had to enable a different alt-tab switcher, the unity one is not working for me at all [10:41] I mean they might not accept their patches back but at least test your code [10:41] yeah that's why it started to break :( [10:41] I enabled the unity plugin again now [10:41] and now it's all back [10:41] I have no idea why the unity switcher wasn't done in a separate plugin like all the other switchers [10:44] * AlanBell has reconfigured nearly all the IKEA stuff in the house in a big swap [10:45] which means I now have a big drawer and shelving unit in my office that I previously painted with glitter paint when it was in a small person's bedroom [10:48] and a 50cm deep IVAR unit sideways fits 19" rackmount servers perfectly [10:51] so do LACK tables [11:25] I'm off to Ikea today to get Ivar shelves for my box room. I'm hoping I can cut them up to completely fill the space. [11:27] they are quite cuttable [11:27] the uprights are, no point cutting shelves [11:29] AlanBell: I'm somewhat annoyed they discontinued a lot of the useful bits [11:40] IVAR? LACK? It's like you are all speaking a foreign language :P [11:43] if you're going to cut them why not just go to B&Q and get contiplas cut to size? [11:50] penguin42: I might, yes. Having one pre-cut unit is fine, as it'll fit, the rest of the space isn't quite right for full sized units [11:51] (although I could believe that Ikea might be cheaper for planks to cut) [11:53] The Ivar units are 1720x500mm, the room itself has a door in the centre of one long side and measures 1240x2270mm [11:54] I want to shorten an Ivar shelf by about 150mm [11:56] It looks like cutting the Ivar units might not work so well, as one end of each shelf appears to be routed. [11:57] can be done, but some non-trivial machining to get the metal out and re-cut a new edge [11:57] The single Ivar units are less deep, that might help. [11:58] * dwatkins gets out some paper to cut up [11:59] AlanBell: well, it's not *particularly* routed [11:59] you could knock the metal out by bending the tangs up with a paint scraper [12:00] then just make a saw cut down the end once you've cut and reshaped it [12:00] I modified a 500mm deep shelf to fit a 300mm pair of uprights, to make a TV stand [12:01] with a short 300mm upright lying on its side under the front of the shelf to support the weight of the CRT [12:01] heh, my TV stand is an Effektiv unit, also from Ikea ;) [12:02] They don't seem to have the individual units on their website, though. [12:30] anyone good with touchpads... ? [14:15] afternoon all [14:15] the better half wants a new phone (not iphone) [14:15] was thinking of a wildfire s [14:15] anyone got any comments/experience with one [14:15] ? [14:16] What does she want out of her phone, danfish? Keyboard, big display, fast cpu etc.? [14:18] pink case? Swarovsky crystals.... [14:22] afternoon [14:22] \o mattman [14:22] matttman even [14:39] MartijnVdS: up to anything exciting today? :) [14:39] I've been playing with Wi-Spy, a GPS-dongle, my laptop and Kismet [14:40] dwatkins: not too much - not an overly large phone - just for email,facebook and calls [14:40] MartijnVdS: ;) [14:41] now to plot everything on a map.. [14:43] danfish: I have an HTC Ace (aka Desire HD) and it's got quite a large screen. The smaller HTC Desire is rather good too. [14:45] dwatkins: I've got the Desire myself and am happy with it (though running cyanogen). My wife thinks it too big though :( [14:47] danfish: just asked a friend of mine which she has, as her phone is very small but still fully functional [14:52] * MartijnVdS has the Galaxy Nexus on pre-order [15:00] MartijnVdS: What price have you pre-ordered it out? [15:02] nperry: £520-ish at clove.co.uk [15:03] Reckon it would drop, as I have seen some higher prices then that. [15:03] SUre, they'll be cheap in a year [15:04] but I need a new phone now(ish) [15:04] danfish: ah, she says it's the Desire Z she has, but it's not so small and may not be available anymore [15:10] Super Engineer is now Billy Baker on G+... damn their real names policy ! :} [15:10] SuprEngr: there are 500.000.000 Billy Bakers on G+ [15:10] SuprEngr: same, it's so stupid lol [15:11] there are far, far more people that know me as Azelphur than as my real name [15:11] Azelphur: Even your parents! :P [15:11] * penguin42 thought they were going to change the rules [15:11] huh? o.O [15:11] don't be silly, people's parents don't use g+ :) [15:11] yep! dasft... but it took 3 name changes (chances?) before they'd allow my real name! [15:12] * penguin42 wonders if there are any people who really have single names that have managed to register [15:13] ...so like many others, I'm now on there as a name nobody knows! [15:13] G= executive board meeting total script: "doh!" [15:14] * penguin42 is wondering what to do with his work google apps account, it's now got G+ enabled, but that would mean there would be two of me, and that would confuse me [15:15] penguin42, sounds like a good plan.... doctor, penguin42 is ready for his appointment ;) [15:15] danfish: how about the Wildfire? [15:15] penguin42: I had 2 G+ accounts, so I deleted the non-APps one [15:16] MartijnVdS: But I wouldn't do normal commenting and stuff on a work apps account one [15:16] ah work [15:16] I have my own domain in apps [15:17] so you can share stuff with yourself? [15:17] so it's more a "family" apps account [15:17] no with my parents, brothers, sister, etc. [15:19] Hmm the Natwest & RBS android apps look nice, shame I bank with Halifax... [15:19] * nperry waits [15:23] penguin42: they finally allow G+ on google apps? [15:23] Azelphur: Yeh as of a few days ago [15:23] nice, same predicament as you then [15:24] you can enable it on the Apps control panel [15:24] s/can/have to/ [15:27] k fun, wonder what I'm supposed to do now then [15:27] I have a google plus account and a youtube account on @gmail.com that I'd ideally like to move [15:28] and adsense, then I wouldn't have to account hop all the time [15:29] Azelphur: I can change the google account that's linked to my Youtube account [15:29] yea I just read that, will try it :D [15:29] 'account hopping' doesn't bug me too much, but I wish it'd remember which acct I use for each service [15:31] * penguin42 doesn't have a problem with hopping - I don't use my home account on my work computer [15:31] MartijnVdS: apparently I can't, because I didn't create my youtube account prior to may 2009 [15:31] :/ [15:32] Aww [15:34] Jimmy Saville is dead. [15:34] RaycisCharles: He couldn't fix that [15:34] I'm too young to know wth he is. [15:34] He was on HIGNFY years ago. [15:34] RaycisCharles: Was well known DJ, presenter of childrens TV prog, and general nutter [15:35] Ah, I see. [15:35] He wore yellow tracksuits and chunky gold slabs around his neck. [15:35] yeh [15:36] somewhat eccentric but mostly harmlessly [15:37] I dunno, he could be a paedo. [15:37] penguin42: figured it out yet? [15:37] what? [15:37] (16:13:49) ***penguin42 is wondering what to do with his work google apps account, it's now got G+ enabled, but that would mean there would be two of me, and that would confuse me [15:38] Azelphur: I'm not wondering that hard - and it's weekend [15:38] nah, he just dressed dodgy because he was a 70s relic [15:38] :P [15:38] I'm trying to find out [15:55] Bwahaha http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15494984 [15:57] won't happen [15:58] It gets proposed every few years though [15:58] political suicide [15:59] if they did it then it would probably be safer overall and generally better [15:59] however . . . [15:59] every single road crash in the morning would be blamed on the change [15:59] whether or not it would have happened anyway. It will be pictures in the papers and politicians blamed for deaths [16:00] yay sensationalist UK media ;) [16:00] yeah [16:04] you just can't put a picture in the paper of a lorry crash not happening in the afternoon that would otherwise have occurred :) [16:04] just do it gradually [16:04] Five minutes per summer/winter time switchover ;) [16:05] 30 seconds per day :) [16:05] or that :) [16:05] I can see no fault in your logic there :) [16:05] I think they should just fix europe instead :) [16:09] technically "we" (= the Netherlands) would be better on UK time [16:10] Time difference between Greenwich and Amsterdan is about 19 minutes ("noon") [16:10] I blame trains and Germany ;) [16:10] I'm mostly unsure what they're trying to solve. If you find it difficult to account for a ±1hr timezone difference, there's bigger issues [16:11] shauno: But what if you calculate it the wrong way around and arrive 2 hours early (or late!)?! [16:11] IMHO it's a much bigger disadvantage that we'd be one hour further out from the US which would make meetings harder [16:11] penguin42: making meetings with the US harder sounds like a GOOD thing to me [16:11] MartijnVdS: Well if we have to have them, then having them at silly hours is not good [16:13] you'll be a time zone closer to India though [16:13] so more call centres could move [16:15] outsourced call centers don't tend to care what timezone they're supporting [16:15] shauno: I imagine they're cheaper if they're "closer", time-zone wise [16:15] because of fewer night shifts [16:16] I guess that'd have to assume that night shifts are renumerated similarily around the world [16:17] Evening all [16:18] Anyone recommend any regex tutorials, basically have a fair few avi files with text in them that i want to rename in bulk if poss [16:18] Regex never been my strong point [16:19] diplo: http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596528126.do [16:20] diplo: or maybe http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596520694.do [16:20] ;] [16:30] I just remembered everything breaks tonight \o/ [16:31] You're upgrading to Oneiric? [16:31] nah, I stick to LTS [16:32] but this daylight savings nonsense breaks every single year. without fail [16:32] I've never had a problem with it breaking things [16:33] our nortel server is in the states, so it wants to switch DST off next week, not this week [16:34] ah [16:48] Is there any device to copy one SSD to many SSDs? [16:48] * I want to have one clean 11.10 always as a backup in another SSD [16:49] are they all the same make and model of SSD? [16:49] Azelphur: Yes, OCZ Agility 3 [16:49] 60gb [16:49] geekMePlease: very easy to do with dd [16:49] Azelphur: How? [16:49] dd if=/path/to/ubuntu of=/path/to/destinationdrive [16:50] be careful to get it right, it'll entirely overwrite the destination drive with the contents of the ubuntu drive, they will be exactly the same. [16:53] I have only x60 currently. Is there any base-station like for USB to get many SSDs connected to your laptop? [16:53] DX seems to have http://www.dealextreme.com/p/dual-hdd-usb-3-0-docking-station-for-2-5-3-5-sata-hdd-ssd-94300 at least [16:54] geekMePlease: USB + SSD = terrible idea [16:55] Azelphur: yes, I look now for basestations with firewire [16:55] firewire is the same [16:55] if you want to utilize the speed from your SSDs, sata or eSATA [16:56] Azelphur: can you convert your internal memory-card reader of x60 to sata drive? [16:56] huh? [16:56] usb3 is pretty quick isn't it? [16:56] if you have a usb3 port that is [16:57] AlanBell: I have 1.5 [16:57] AlanBell: not as quick as a SSD [16:57] AlanBell: sorry, I mean usb 2 [16:57] 2 usb 2 and one usb 1 [16:58] if it's just a one-off job to image a disk, I wouldn't worry about the bus too much [16:58] ok [16:59] shauno: ok, I will then get simply the usb + ssd thing [16:59] to copy a few ssds [16:59] ah, just looked it up, USB 3 is ok [16:59] USB 2 will bottleneck on a decent SSD though [17:00] Azelphur: Ok, I will get usb 3 base station then, since I update my laptop in the future [17:00] usb2 will bottleneck pretty much anything. It's pretty ugly really [17:07] there seems to be USB3 adaptors for X60 and X61 Thinkpad, need to get one [17:09] :) === Girly-Girl is now known as GirlyGirl [17:33] heh cheers MartijnVdS, sorry kids went manic [17:34] I will take a look at buying that but something for tonight whilst the kids are in bed, will take a google around [19:30] urgh, sorting out my warhammer spares, got an awful lot more than I thought I did [19:49] peeka boo [19:49] o/ czajkowski [20:03] popey: mind the snakes in FL [20:04] Good evening peeps :) [20:25] hmmm... freezing earthworms males them easier to sharpen... double hmmm [20:26] [quess what I've dot on tv] [20:26] got [20:29] Dust? [20:29] ;) [20:33] * SuprEngr is glad that someone thinks even my dust is important enough to be spelt with a capital 'D' [20:35] [hope my ashes are given same respect] [20:40] qixl time! [20:51] cheers m [20:51] M [20:52] cheers MartijnVdS - switchin now [20:54] oh man [20:54] ...and to think that some peeps are out there watching news & documentaries - when QI & HIGNFY are both on [20:55] I may have miscalculated the shrinkage of my selfmade knitted to-be-homefelted hot water bottle covers [20:55] ouch! [20:56] may end up with mobile phone pouches instead [20:58] * SuprEngr wants a hand knitted mobile phone pouch ;) [20:59] [but wonders if a hand knitted mobile phone would work!] [20:59] options are pink, and pink-dark brown-gray stripes [21:00] anythinthing but the pink-on-pink would do nicely please [21:02] ...so here we are - on a UK support channel - talking hand knitted mobile phone pouches... that's the beauty of U_UK ;) [21:04] [& I still want one pretty please] [21:14] hello [21:18] lets see what size they end up in first [21:20] which program can i use in a tv media usb? [21:22] luigi_: huh? [21:22] yes I have tv tuner [21:23] but which program can i use? [21:24] luigi_, what do the files on the usb have as a suffix [xxxx.suffix] [21:24] ? [21:24] i dunno [21:24] because i have a usb [21:24] tv tunner USB [21:24] and it doesnt recognise [21:24] luigi_, can you see the files in nautilus? [21:25] im sorry xD [21:25] i dunno how to do that [21:25] :( [21:26] luigi_, put the usb in a usb 'socket' on your computer [21:26] ok [21:26] then? [21:26] does anything happen? [wait a few seconds] [21:27] nop [21:27] luigi_: check /var/log/kern.log [21:27] do i have to type that in terminal? [21:27] luigi_: can you put the last 20 or so lines from that on pastebin? [21:27] yes [21:27] what is the webpage [21:27] ...over to you MartijnVdS [21:27] i forget [21:27] luigi_: just open the "Log viewer" [21:28] it's in the application search thing [21:28] ok [21:28] im inside the log viewer [21:29] open kern.log [21:29] then browse to the end [21:29] woo [21:29] and open a web browser [21:29] just realized we're not that far off from fosdem 2012 [21:29] and paste the last few lines on pastebin [21:29] mattt: 3/4 months [21:29] * mattt punches the air [21:30] ok [21:30] !pastebin [21:30] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [21:30] http://paste.ubuntu.com/722673/ [21:30] MartijnVdS: you're in holland right? [21:30] mattt: I am [21:31] going to fosdem? [21:31] luigi_: The last line says a new USB device is found, but there's nothing about drivers loading [21:31] nop [21:31] yeah i saw that [21:31] luigi_: so I'm afraid you're out of luck, and that specific tuner isn't supported [21:31] mattt: maybe [21:31] no ? :( [21:31] can i use windows emulator? [21:32] luigi_: for drivers, very unlikely [21:32] mattt: it's only a 2 hour drive [21:32] :( [21:32] MartijnVdS: no excuses then :D [21:34] mattt: I don't know about parking space :) [21:35] in Brussels [21:38] that's my new problem ;) [21:38] Before, I knew I could get there (by train), but couldn't take much stuff [21:39] Now I have a car, and I can take stuff, but I don't know where to park it :) [21:41] MartijnVdS, take a car sized suitcase... book into a hotel & take it to the room with you ;) [21:41] SuprEngr: well it _is_ a SMART [21:41] ;) [21:41] SuprEngr: so it'd probably fit in the elevator without changes [21:42] MartijnVdS, forget the suitcase... a rucksack will do for a SMART [21:44] time for bed, said Zebedee.... boing said Florence [21:44] good idea [21:44] but.. [21:44] tonight's an hour longer than usual [21:44] also, F1 tomorrow mornig [21:44] +n [21:45] and Indian F1 on in morning is reason for beddy bies for me now ;) [21:45] \o [21:45] MartijnVdS: it's residential around that FOSDEM venue tho, parking shouldn't be a problem [21:46] mattt: good point [21:46] ;) [21:47] woah, 11 PM already [21:48] mattt: -1 because of the time zone change tonight [22:11] well [22:11] they're too big to be phone pouches [22:12] but my Sony Reader PRS-650 fits nicely [22:30] If anyone is about, can anyone recommend a cheap gigabit switch [22:30] ? [22:30] no, but there are loads about [22:31] yeah, seen lots just after recommendations really.. got to go in front room so would like it quiet [22:32] I've got quite a few switches at home incl a GS724T but it's loud as you like [22:33] how many ports? [22:34] 8 I reckon, just found this... wondering whether is cheap is a bad idea [22:34] Always had named products [22:34] http://www.ebuyer.com/262942-tp-link-tl-sg1008d-8-port-gigabit-switch-tl-sg1008d [22:35] http://www.ebuyer.com/260471-cisco-linksys-se2800-8-port-gigabit-switch-se2800-uk [22:35] £15 dearer :/ - Problem is things are tight but can't see the point if it's going to be shite [22:40] it depends what you want it for; if it's just a distribution switch for stuff then one of the little desktop switches will do [22:41] yeah basically got a HP Microserver/Revo/Desktop/Lappy all with Gig ports and everything running on 100mb [22:41] :) [22:41] Stream all my movies / series from the HP box to the revo [22:42] apparently we have cold fusion now o.O http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2011-10/29/rossi-success [22:43] hmm [22:45] nice [22:45] it's a bit odd Rossi has been doing odd demonstrations for a while but never enough or open enough to convince people [22:46] MartijnVdS: ah, true .. forgot about the tz change [22:50] blimey, carriage is nearly the same as the price of the switch