[11:41] <tseliot> jcristau: are you around?
[15:42] <jcristau> tseliot: kinda.
[16:25] <Sarvatt> wow, RAOF/TheMuso really lucked out, they managed to get on the plane right before all qantas flights were grounded. hopefully getting back wont be a problem
[16:36] <jcristau> what happened?
[16:38] <jcristau> a, strike.
[16:38] <jcristau> s/,/h,/
[21:41] <LA2> what different types and kinds of fonts are there? Why does my default runic font look so thin and weak? ᚠᚡᚢᚣᚤᚥᚦᚧᚨ
[22:14] <bjsnider> fonts are available in gnome-tweak-tool
[22:15] <JanC> LA2: you can use whatever TrueType or PostScript Type 1 fonts you want
[22:16] <JanC> (and OpenType fonts of course)
[22:38] <LA2> JanC: should I set this under the System->Preferences->Appearance->Fonts? And what font should I pick to get good runes?
[22:38] <LA2> and if there are good runic fonts, why aren't they the default in Ubuntu?
[22:44] <JanC> LA2: I don't speak any languages that use runic fonts
[22:44] <LA2> you speak English
[22:45] <JanC> and about why they aren't the default, there are two possible reasons: 1. there are no open fonts that are good, or 2. nobody ever complained, and those who decide on the default don't know more than I do
[22:46] <LA2> in the default (Liberation Sans? Monospace?) I can mix Latin (ABC), Greek (ΑΒΓΔ), Cyrillic (АБВГ) and they all look good together, but the runic (ᚠᚡᚢᚣᚤᚥᚦ) look very different.
[22:46] <JanC> LA2: English is generally written in a latin script, not a runic one (at least for more than thousand ears now)
[22:46] <JanC> years
[22:46] <JanC> and I see what you mean BTW
[22:47] <LA2> is there a name to describe the problem, e.g. "these runes are not TTF" or "you should talk to Mr. X"?
[22:48] <LA2> I really have no clue, beyond the fact that they are ugly
[22:49] <JanC> well, first of all, the font system will fallback to a "lesser default" font in case the main default doesn't support a particular script
[22:49] <LA2> how can I find out which Unicode characters are covered by Liberation Sans?
[22:49] <JanC> so probably the runic glyphs come from a different font
[22:49] <LA2> that sounds reasonable
[22:50] <LA2> and where do I find the people who can add runes to Liberation Sans?
[22:50] <JanC> I think there is a tool somewhere that can find which (installed) fonts support a particular script
[22:51] <LA2> what does "script" mean here? Is "runic" one of the scripts?
[22:53] <JanC> yes
[22:56] <LA2> of course, Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_fonts
[23:00] <JanC> LA2: it seems like the 'ttf-junicode' & 'ttf-linex' packages have fonts that support runic
[23:03] <LA2> after I apt-get ttf-junicode, what do I need to do?
[23:03] <JanC> it should be available in any application you (re)start after installing
[23:04] <LA2> indeed, so it does
[23:05] <LA2> still looks bad in monospace, though
[23:07] <LA2> so, Ubuntu should make ttf-junicode part of the default installation and much of this will be solved
[23:10] <JanC> LA2: runic isn't exactly used a lot thesedays, so I doubt they will include it by default
[23:10] <JanC> but maybe it could become the "default fallback for runic if installed"
[23:11] <JanC> and if other default fonts come with bad runic glyphs, those can be masked out IIRC
[23:20] <LA2> yeah, installing ttf-junicode didn't change the other scripts