[07:08] <magespawn> howdy all
[07:19] <Kilos> morning all
[07:19] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[07:19]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[07:23] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[07:29] <Kilos> Maaz, ty buddy
[07:29] <Maaz> Dont get familiar now Kilos
[07:37] <kbmonkey> gah, been trying to get online for an hour :p damn skyrove, what a load of horseradish
[07:38] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey had similar hassles with voda after last nights storm
[07:38] <kbmonkey> hi Kilos 
[07:38] <Kilos> mailed you
[07:39] <kbmonkey> well I don't see why as their hotspot runs off dsl in the background. 
[07:39] <Kilos> pc probs
[07:39] <kbmonkey> their portal page has some strange javascript redirects and it's just really flakey :D
[07:39] <kbmonkey> yes I saw you emailed me, ill check it out!
[07:39] <Kilos> thier pcs and servers or whatever they use arent linux
[07:40] <Kilos> you can download those mags if i remember right
[07:40] <Kilos> their
[07:40] <kbmonkey> yes I have a collection of the mags already, got the special python issues too
[07:40] <Kilos> ah its nuvolari 's buddies
[07:40] <Kilos> ah clever lad
[07:41] <kbmonkey> wow I am so glad my text mail works, this will help a lot!
[07:41] <Kilos> explain the text mail thing
[07:42] <Kilos> do you still use your old email providers
[07:43] <Kilos> hi zeref bakuman 
[07:53] <magespawn> gone again
[07:53] <magespawn> hi Kilos
[07:53] <Kilos> hi magespawn whats gone
[07:53] <Kilos> oh him
[07:53] <Kilos> lol
[07:53] <Kilos> his wireless seems worse than broadband
[07:54] <magespawn> bit weird 
[07:54] <magespawn> i have not had a problem with skyrove
[07:54] <Kilos> hows things going by you lad?
[07:54] <Kilos> what is skyrove
[07:55] <Kilos> kbmonkey also is having probs with them today
[07:55] <magespawn> wifi hotspot provider
[07:56] <magespawn> good have time today to sort out the mythbuntu sound
[07:56] <Kilos> how far can one receive a signal from these wireless goodies
[07:57] <Kilos> i tried a search with my cell but it doesnt seem to see any
[07:57] <Kilos> dunno if you have to enter the address first or what
[07:59] <Kilos> kbmonkey, wb
[08:00] <Kilos> magespawn, is also having skyrove probs
[08:00] <magespawn> no if you are within range then you should see them
[08:00] <magespawn> i have not had a problem with skyrove
[08:00] <magespawn> kilos ^^^^
[08:01] <magespawn> it is wifi so depends on the equipment typically only within the establishment
[08:02] <kbmonkey> nuvolari, use ^space in alpine to skip between words ;)
[08:03] <kbmonkey> I have strong skyrove signal and their portal page always loads, but mostly it loads to a point then stops. 
[08:03] <kbmonkey> some really flaky system they run ;P
[08:03] <Kilos> kbmonkey> gah, been trying to get online for an hour :p damn skyrove, what a load of horseradish
[08:03] <kbmonkey> ^^ exactly
[08:03] <magespawn> that might be a dsl problem
[08:04] <Kilos> lol
[08:04] <Kilos> life in the IT world
[08:04] <kbmonkey> it worries me that the network isn't secured
[08:05] <magespawn> that is a big problem means all passwords are sent in the clear
[08:05] <magespawn> firesheep
[08:06] <magespawn> firefox add on that allows you to sniff passwords and usernames over wireless networks from anyone connected to that hotspot
[08:07] <Kilos> eish thats not clever in todays world
[08:08] <magespawn> yup there are all sorts of programs but that one allows any one hacker or not to do it
[08:08] <kbmonkey> like wireshark
[08:09] <kbmonkey> just set promiscous mode on and see what's flying through the air. scary stuff
[08:10] <Kilos> is there no way of getting secured at least from your end
[08:10] <Kilos> oh
[08:10] <Kilos> wait
[08:10] <kbmonkey> depends, gmail uses ssl so that is secure
[08:10] <kbmonkey> but irc for example, is not.
[08:10] <Kilos> i saw in a linuxtips mail that you can block you pc from being pinged to stop that
[08:11] <Kilos> will that work
[08:11] <kbmonkey> that will only hide your presence, security through obscurity
[08:11] <Kilos> i see if i still got that mail
[08:11] <tumbleweed> anything that's not encrypted can be sniffed
[08:11]  * kbmonkey sniffs
[08:11] <Kilos> oh my
[08:11] <kbmonkey> smells like rain
[08:12] <Kilos> morning tumbleweed 
[08:12] <magespawn> morning tumbleweed 
[08:12] <tumbleweed> anything that's encrypted can possibly be intercepted (although a security-concious user would notice) by an active attacker who man-in-the-middle attacks the user
[08:12]  * tumbleweed waves
[08:13] <magespawn> yup and when on unencrypted wireless the password and user name are sent unencrypted 
[08:15] <Kilos> whew dicey
[08:16] <tumbleweed> magespawn: not entirely sure what you maen by that. what username and password?
[08:16] <tumbleweed> unencrypted wifi is just a particularly easy medium to sniff in, but the same problems exist no matter how you are connected to the internet
[08:19] <magespawn> when on wifi logging into say facebook - that user name and password
[08:21] <magespawn> aye tumbleweed.
[08:22] <tumbleweed> facebook's login page itself uses SSL, but once you're logged in, you don't use SSL any more, so your cookie can be sniffed and someone can impersonate you
[08:22] <tumbleweed> but your password itself isn't exposed
[08:23] <magespawn> they guy who made firesheep was particularly concerned about public wifi though
[08:23] <kbmonkey> ssl also means its encrypted between server and client?
[08:23] <magespawn> and if you are using the https setting?
[08:23] <kbmonkey> the issue is that many sites do not use ssl/https
[08:23] <tumbleweed> magespawn: that would help a lot :)
[08:25] <magespawn> thats what i set up and lost the use of a whole lot of face book apps lol including the one from nashua to over tech advice to people
[08:26] <magespawn> take a look here www.takethislollipop.com next time your are logged into facebook
[08:26] <magespawn> scared the daylights out of my wife
[08:26] <magespawn> then you might just tighten up the security
[08:27] <magespawn> this is cool http://mybroadband.co.za/news/cellular/37130-quiet-cellular-antenna-technology-for-ska.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
[08:35] <Kilos> magespawn, is it text and can i wget it
[08:36] <magespawn> not sure
[08:36] <magespawn> hold on
[08:36] <Kilos> ty
[08:37] <Kilos> antennae info i like
[08:37] <Kilos> used to build antennae for ham frequencies back in the day
[08:39] <magespawn> here is the link on codepad
[08:39] <magespawn> http://codepad.org/J0o1D9PI
[08:41] <Kilos> ty
[08:41] <Kilos> wow one second
[08:44] <Kilos> hiya nlsthzn 
[08:44] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[08:44] <Kilos> hehe
[08:44] <Kilos> kbmonkey, wb
[08:44] <nlsthzn> Good morning Uncle Kilos :)
[08:45] <kbmonkey> thx Kilos :)
[09:17] <magespawn> Kilos did you get it?
[09:18] <Kilos> yes ty magespawn but will read when offline otherwise it also goes for data for some unknown reason
[09:19] <Kilos> dunno about the codepad way but html ones always go to the site for something
[09:19] <magespawn> maintaining connection and the adverts on the page do not help at all
[09:20] <Kilos> so when offline i read them and copy paste to a file then delete the html link
[09:41] <magespawn> back again not sure what happened there
[09:43] <Kilos> its all over
[09:43] <Kilos> even Vince-0 went and came
[09:43] <Vince-0> I was offline since last night - just woke up!
[09:44] <Kilos> oh my goodness sorry Vince-0 morning
[09:45] <Kilos> lol @ kbmonkey 
[09:45] <Kilos> over 1000 ks
[10:03] <Vince-0> just got battlefield3 so 3am vibes - this game is the best
[10:03] <Kilos> on ubuntu?
[10:03] <Vince-0> negative - win7
[10:03] <Kilos> grrrr
[10:04] <Kilos> hehe
[10:04] <Kilos> imo thats all windows is good for
[10:04] <Vince-0> ur a militant activist!
[10:04] <Kilos> lol
[10:04] <Vince-0> true, but it runs virtualbox for linux/bsd tests
[10:04] <Kilos> used to love playing war games
[10:05] <Vince-0> actually, ubuntu media pc is on tv - runs m0n0wall VM for traffic shaping
[10:05] <Kilos> on tv where?
[10:07] <Kilos> learned something new today
[10:07] <Kilos> some usb ports on the same usb card are faster than the rest
[10:11] <magespawn> usb 2 and such has backwards compatibility
[10:12] <magespawn> just fired up a Pentium-s 133mhz
[10:12] <Kilos> hi Waceman 
[10:13] <magespawn> its alive *creepy horror type voice
[10:13] <Kilos> whats a pentium s magespawn  where it fits in the speed cue
[10:13] <Kilos> lol
[10:13] <magespawn> very slow think 10-15 years ago
[10:14] <magespawn> most phone laugh at this pc
[10:14] <Kilos> before pentium 1 and 2
[10:14] <magespawn> think so 
[10:14] <magespawn> brb
[10:15] <Waceman> Howdy Kilos
[10:16] <Vince-0> tv in livingroom
[10:16] <Waceman> Kilos: turns out after ubuntu 9 doens't support Legacy nVidia...
[10:17] <Waceman> but I wanted to ask the kbmoney if he could think of naything else
[10:17] <Kilos> aw thats not lekker
[10:17] <Kilos> he was here just now
[10:18] <magespawn> kilos was launched in 1995
[10:18] <Kilos> aha
[10:18] <magespawn> uses a serial ball mouse
[10:18] <Kilos> similar to the old 486 with 40m cpu and 40m ram
[10:18] <Kilos> yeah i had that
[10:19] <Kilos> was my first prob with ubuntu getting the mouse to work
[10:19] <Kilos> and no usb ports
[10:19] <magespawn> after that if your friends had a 486 you where king of the hill with this baby
[10:19] <Kilos> ya ha ha ha
[10:19] <Kilos> but will work as a server
[10:20] <Kilos> and play dos games
[10:20] <magespawn> yup will be fun to see what i can do with it
[10:21] <magespawn> still needs mouse drivers lol
[10:21] <Kilos> asked my boet to leave me his i5 lappy in his will
[10:22] <Kilos> he just laughed. his 7 years younger
[10:22] <Kilos> there was a big job making mouse work
[10:22] <Kilos> took weeks
[10:22] <Kilos> on ubuntu 8.10
[10:24] <Kilos> had many pages of written instructions
[10:24] <Kilos> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[10:27] <magespawn> this is for those with uncapped connections http://planefinder.net/
[10:27] <magespawn> show a real time map with commercial planes
[10:27] <magespawn> ty Kilos
[10:28] <Kilos> had to use sudo nano commands
[10:28] <Kilos> was a b ig job for a noob
[10:31] <magespawn> good way to learn though
[10:32] <magespawn> it does not even have a network connection
[10:32] <Kilos> ya
[10:32] <Kilos> if you dont forget
[10:32] <magespawn> i will have to dig out a network card
[10:32] <Kilos> lee sharp on the lists just said to me get a usb mouse
[10:33] <magespawn> no usb ports
[10:33] <Kilos> ya me too
[10:34] <Kilos> only after i got the mouse working did i eventually get a usb card to plug in
[10:34] <Kilos> here i find an old command i wrote down for sound i think
[10:35] <Kilos> sudo modprobe snd-sb (tab,tab  to list more)
[10:35] <Kilos> hehe
[10:38] <magespawn> are you still using the machine
[10:38] <Kilos> yeah inna storeroom at the back
[10:39] <Kilos> an upgraded 386 as well
[10:39] <Kilos> not using sorry
[10:39] <Kilos> still have
[10:39] <Kilos> feeding the rats now
[10:48] <Kilos> hehe magespawn found some pages of serial mouse commands
[10:56] <magespawn> also have pentium -mmx running at 200mhz
[11:00] <magespawn> brb
[11:54] <Kilos> nagedid you win with the seriel mouse
[11:54] <Kilos> eish
[11:54] <Kilos> magespawn, 
[11:57] <bakuman> tempa vs tp-link gigabit swithces, R225 8-port tempa, R329 8-port tp-link
[11:57] <bakuman> is tp-link n ekstra R100 werd?
[12:12] <bakuman> oops tenda
[13:42] <nlsthzn> o/
[15:06] <Kilos> weirdest of weird
[15:07] <Kilos> i got to /var/cache/apt/archives/ and all thats there is a partial folder and a lock file
[15:07] <Kilos> supposed to be all archived packages
[15:09] <Kilos> i been robbed
[15:11] <Kilos> thank heavens for rsync to external
[15:28] <Kilos> be back this evening
[17:33] <kbmonkey> I see you got your site up Kilos 
[17:34] <Kilos> yeah kbmonkey nuvolari helped
[17:35] <Kilos> actually did it all
[17:35] <Kilos> hey 
[17:35] <Kilos> wait i catch you
[17:41] <Waceman> kbmonkey: how's it going?
[17:42] <kbmonkey> hi Waceman 
[17:42] <kbmonkey> I had wifi troubles this morn so gave up after an hour of trying :p
[17:42] <Waceman> ah man, annoying
[17:42] <Waceman> thanks for showing me those debian articles.. they were very helpful...
[17:43] <Waceman> but alas, I don't think x server supports my card no more
[17:45] <Waceman> kbmonkey: can I tell you the steps I took? :)
[17:47] <kbmonkey> I can't promise anything but let us try ;)
[17:47] <Waceman> thanks :) OK I used the steps from this article: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDriversNvidiaWay
[17:48] <Waceman> 1. sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[17:48] <Waceman> 2. export CC=gcc-4.4 (because the installer requires both nVidia kernel and linux kernel to have same gcc)
[17:48] <Waceman> 3. sudo sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-71.86.15-pkg1.run (says install script failed... do I want to continue.. select 'yes' and installs fine)
[17:48] <Waceman> 4. modprobe nvidia (then went and inserted that line into file: /etc/init.d/rc.local so that it loads nVidia every reboot)
[17:48] <Waceman> 5. create xorg.conf in /etc/X11
[17:49] <Waceman> So I did all those steps, rebooted... screen flashes and get an error and have to boot into graphics safe mode
[17:50] <Waceman> This is what the error looked like: 
[17:50] <Waceman> (EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so
[17:50] <Waceman> (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (loader failed, 7)
[17:50] <Waceman> (EE) No drivers available
[17:56] <kbmonkey> soz ran out of juice
[17:57] <kbmonkey> internet juice 
[17:57] <Kilos> np
[17:57] <kbmonkey> did you get that link Kilos 
[17:57] <Kilos> nossir
[17:58] <kbmonkey> Waceman lets see
[17:59] <kbmonkey> did you try any of the other methods in that page?
[17:59] <Waceman> I wrote it all out ;)
[17:59] <Waceman> thanks  OK I used the steps from this article: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDriversNvidiaWay
[17:59] <Waceman> 1. sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[17:59] <Waceman> 2. export CC=gcc-4.4 (because the installer requires both nVidia kernel and linux kernel to have same gcc)
[17:59] <Waceman> 3. sudo sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-71.86.15-pkg1.run (says install script failed... do I want to continue.. select 'yes' and installs fine)
[17:59] <Waceman> 4. modprobe nvidia (then went and inserted that line into file: /etc/init.d/rc.local so that it loads nVidia every reboot)
[17:59] <Waceman> 5. create xorg.conf in /etc/X11 19:48:31
[17:59] <Waceman> So I did all those steps, rebooted... screen flashes and get an error and have to boot into graphics safe mode 19:49:49
[17:59] <Waceman> This is what the error looked like: 
[17:59] <Waceman> (EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so
[17:59] <Waceman> (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (loader failed, 7)
[17:59] <Waceman> (EE) No drivers available
[18:01] <kbmonkey> no i mean, did you try the alternative drivers? like vesa, nv or nouveau?
[18:02] <kbmonkey> http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
[18:02] <kbmonkey> see that one, its a different page 
[18:02] <kbmonkey> perhaps try one of the free drivers
[18:02] <kbmonkey> that page also has other methods (apart from running .run )
[18:03] <Waceman> I think it automatically uses versa.. and the open gl screensavers work, but are quite slow.. but for now .. that's what I'm using
[18:03] <kbmonkey> hmm yes then its not using your card fully
[18:04] <Waceman> how will I know what it's using?
[18:04] <Waceman> there's no xorg.conf in X11 now?
[18:04] <Waceman> I reformatted everything
[18:04] <Waceman> what other methods besides .run? :)
[18:04] <kbmonkey> section #3 troubleshooting #3 hardware acc doesnt work
[18:04] <kbmonkey> http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
[18:05] <kbmonkey> there are a couple methods there, try the free drivers
[18:05] <kbmonkey> can you run glxinfo?
[18:06] <Waceman> no, I have to install it again, what was that command?
[18:06] <Waceman> oh wait it says :P
[18:07] <kbmonkey> pls use pastebin
[18:07] <kbmonkey> pastebin.com
[18:07] <kbmonkey> for anything more than 3 lines
[18:07] <kodez> hello everyone. how's your saturday
[18:07] <Kilos> hi kodez  ok here ty
[18:07] <kbmonkey> hi kodez 
[18:08] <kbmonkey> its halloween and all spooky outside
[18:08] <Kilos> lol
[18:08] <Waceman> ok, what do you want from the glxinfo output?
[18:08] <kbmonkey> does it error?
[18:08] <kbmonkey> paste all of it 
[18:08] <kbmonkey> in pastebin.com pls
[18:08] <kodez> hi kilos, how are you? i've been offline for quite sometime. what's?
[18:09] <kodez> where can i learn more about starting a linux user group?
[18:09] <Kilos> ok here ty kodez , and you?
[18:09] <Waceman> ok, it's on my other pc... gonna try set up IRC on that... 
[18:09] <kodez> kilos, i am in good shape and spirit
[18:09] <Waceman> Do I use Jabber?
[18:09] <Kilos> good
[18:10] <kbmonkey> ooh no thats fine Waceman 
[18:10] <kbmonkey> simply if glxinfo errors then your drivers are not setup
[18:10] <kbmonkey> but if it shows all kinds of info, then drivers are fine
[18:11] <kbmonkey> what monitor do you have? crt? lcd? 
[18:11] <Waceman> says direct rendering: yes
[18:11] <Waceman> crt
[18:11] <kbmonkey> could be the default resolution is too high for your screen
[18:11] <kbmonkey> iirc there lines we can put in xorg.conf to make it use a specific resolution
[18:12] <kbmonkey> also consider a faulty card :(
[18:12] <Waceman> iirc - what?
[18:12] <kbmonkey> if i remember correctly
[18:12] <kbmonkey> :D
[18:13] <Waceman> this is what tumbleweed found: The 71 and 96 series of proprietary nVidia drivers, as provided by the nvidia-glx-legacy and nvidia-glx packages in Ubuntu 8.04 LTS, are not compatible with the X.Org included in Ubuntu 8.10.
[18:13] <Waceman> from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseNotes
[18:18] <Waceman> this is what tumbleweed found: The 71 and 96 series of proprietary nVidia drivers, as provided by the nvidia-glx-legacy and nvidia-glx packages in Ubuntu 8.04 LTS, are not compatible with the X.Org included in Ubuntu 8.10.
[18:18] <Waceman> from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseNotes
[18:18] <Waceman> this is what tumbleweed found: The 71 and 96 series of proprietary nVidia drivers, as provided by the nvidia-glx-legacy and nvidia-glx packages in Ubuntu 8.04 LTS, are not compatible with the X.Org included in Ubuntu 8.10.
[18:18] <Waceman> from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseNotes
[18:18] <Kilos> kbmonkey_, wb thats really a bad connection hey
[18:18] <Waceman> lol
[18:18] <kbmonkey> ran out of credit
[18:19] <Kilos> eish
[18:19] <kbmonkey> thx :)
[18:19] <Kilos> kodez died  same time
[18:19] <kbmonkey> oh okay Waceman I see
[18:19] <kbmonkey> thats a tricky one, we need expert help here
[18:19] <Waceman> and who's that expert? ;)
[18:19] <kbmonkey> try the #ubuntu support channel?
[18:20] <Waceman> ok
[18:20] <kbmonkey> Im by no means an nvidia expert, I got mine working by accident after many days of struggling :P
[18:20] <kbmonkey> I mean, if the drivers are not compatible with xorg, then what..
[18:20] <Waceman> well, I reckon I just leave it... 
[18:21] <kbmonkey> try the nouveau drivers
[18:21] <kbmonkey> theyre free ones, not from nvidia
[18:21] <Waceman> how can I see which one's I'm currently using?
[18:21] <Kilos> kodez, wb
[18:21] <kbmonkey> I'm not too sure, there is a way, the wiki may say?
[18:21] <kbmonkey> its a _lot_ of reading, but well detailed
[18:22] <kodez> kilos, thanks. i'm using my laptop and it switches itself off if the fan is not working
[18:22] <kbmonkey> doesnt glxinfo tell the version driver?
[18:22] <kbmonkey> kodez someone told me other day the same problem
[18:23] <kbmonkey> they bought a laptop cooling stand, now it has now problem :D
[18:23] <kbmonkey> no*
[18:24] <kodez> i don't have money at the moment to buy other stuff. i hope to buy another laptop as this one is already old
[18:27] <kbmonkey> you never know Waceman perhaps those alternative drivers work on the older cards!
[18:27] <Waceman> yeah.. .can't find which one's I currently have
[18:27] <Waceman> can't find it in glxinfo
[18:28] <Kilos> Waceman, try letting a fan blow onto the lappy
[18:29] <Waceman> a fan? 
[18:29] <Kilos> even put 2 rulers under lappy to lift it a bit so air can flow under it too
[18:29] <Kilos> eish sorry Waceman 
[18:29] <Kilos> was meant for kodez
[18:29] <Waceman> :)
[18:29] <Kilos> sorry
[18:30] <Kilos> kodez^^
[18:30] <kbmonkey> thats a good idea Kilos! elevate it and blow a desk fan underneath it
[18:30] <Kilos> yeah
[18:30] <kodez> no problem kilos
[18:30] <Kilos> i dunno where they get the horrest but thats where you wanna cool
[18:31] <Kilos> hottest
[18:31] <kodez> i just need to start generating an income in order to build my computer studio
[18:31] <kbmonkey> is blerry horrest today! ;D
[18:36] <Kilos> lol
[18:40] <Waceman> no one every responds to me in #ubuntu...
[18:41] <Kilos> you have to just be patient Waceman 
[18:41] <Kilos> some times it takes hours
[18:56] <Kilos> Waceman, try explain your prob nicely to them so they dont have to first ask questions
[18:56] <Waceman> ok
[18:57] <Waceman> thanks
[18:59] <kbmonkey> sorry I dont have that experience to see the solution Waceman 
[18:59] <kbmonkey> but try those other methods
[18:59] <kbmonkey> just in case
[19:00] <Kilos> wace and also bump them every hour or so by doing a /me then repeat you request
[19:00]  * Kilos like this
[19:01] <Kilos> Waceman, ^^
[19:01] <Kilos> i am sure they all wait for someone else to help first as well
[19:01] <kodez> i just started to blog today. i will be happy if some of you can visit my blog (kodexz.blogger.com) and let me know what you thing
[19:02] <Kilos> no other place is helpful like ubuntu-za
[19:02] <Kilos> as soon as i get data i will go look  kodez 
[19:02] <kodez> thing = think
[19:02] <kodez> thanks kilos
[19:03] <Waceman> kodez: page doens't load for me?
[19:03] <Waceman> thanks Kilos
[19:03] <Kilos> yw
[19:04] <Kilos> there must be someone else in the world that has had that problem
[19:04] <kodez> let me check what's the problem. it was working well earlier
[19:04] <Kilos> you cant be alone
[19:09] <kbmonkey> have you tried the ubuntuforums Waceman ?
[19:09] <kbmonkey> bound to be someone there who had the same problem
[19:09] <Waceman> I've searched them.. but at this stage I'm calling it ;p
[19:10] <Waceman> found on the forums people saying the driver isn't support any more
[19:10] <kbmonkey> that's why you used an older one
[19:10] <kbmonkey> maybe the debian forums
[19:11] <octoquad> hello hello :)
[19:11] <kbmonkey> hi hi :)
[19:12] <Kilos> hiya octoquad 
[19:14] <Kilos> does anyone here have admin rights on ubuntu-za
[19:15] <Waceman> Kilos: sudo ubuntu-za ;)
[19:15] <Kilos> lol
[19:15] <Kilos> in the channel
[19:15] <octoquad> Kilos: for the site?
[19:16] <Kilos> yeah ubuntu-za.org
[19:16] <Kilos> someone helped the fly with stuff there last week but i forget who
[19:17] <kodez> i am sorry to post a wrong link the correct one is http://kodexz.blogspot.com/
[19:17] <Kilos> Maaz, kodez .blog is <reply> http://kodexz.blogspot.com/
[19:17] <Maaz> Kilos: One learns a new thing every day
[19:17] <kbmonkey> cool kodez checking it out :)
[19:18] <Kilos> grr
[19:18] <kbmonkey> woof
[19:19] <Kilos> Maaz, kodez.blog
[19:19] <Maaz> http://kodexz.blogspot.com/
[19:20] <Waceman> nice man - when's the next update? kodez
[19:20] <kodez> kilos, i wish to learn to create my own bot. maybe she will be Maaz girlfriend, lol
[19:20] <Kilos> kodez, get an ibid
[19:21] <Kilos> lotsa work setting up i think
[19:21] <kodez> kilos, what's an ibid?
[19:21] <Kilos> its the software for a bot
[19:22] <Kilos> program 
[19:22] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install ibid
[19:22] <Kilos> Ibid is a multi-protocol, general purpose, instant messaging chat bot written
[19:23] <Kilos> in Python. It aims for a naturalistic interface rather than strict-syntax
[19:23] <Kilos> commands.
[19:23] <kbmonkey> Kilos now you taught _me_ something!
[19:23] <Waceman> who's the bot in this channel?
[19:23] <Kilos> yay
[19:23] <Kilos> maaz
[19:23] <kbmonkey> Maaz is our bot
[19:23] <kbmonkey> Maaz tea please
[19:23] <Maaz> Everybody here drinks coffee or goes thirsty
[19:23] <Kilos> Maaz, are you female
[19:23] <Maaz> Come on, be realistic. I'm a Bot
[19:23] <Waceman> lol, I had an annoying conversation with Maaz
[19:23] <kodez> thanks, i will google it. i will write something about it
[19:23] <Waceman> we were definitely not on the same page!
[19:23] <Waceman> lol
[19:24] <Kilos> you need a stable internet connection too i think
[19:24] <Kilos> i also chatted to maaz when i first came here
[19:24] <Kilos> Maaz, are you male
[19:24] <Maaz> No. Us Bots are above that human failing
[19:25] <Kilos>   maaz is my clever bot buddy
[19:25] <kbmonkey> kodez you do python then?
[19:25] <kbmonkey> I been learning some lately
[19:26] <octoquad> Maaz, what is 1 + 1?
[19:26] <Maaz> octoquad: I'm afraid I have no idea
[19:27] <Kilos> Maaz, add 1+1
[19:27] <Maaz> Kilos: What?
[19:27] <Kilos> twit bot
[19:27] <Kilos> Maaz, add 1 and 1
[19:27] <Maaz> Kilos: What?
[19:27] <Kilos> grrr
[19:27] <octoquad> lol
[19:27] <Kilos> Maaz, add 1 + 1
[19:27] <Maaz> Kilos: What?
[19:27] <octoquad> Maaz, sum 1 + 1
[19:27] <Maaz> octoquad: Huh?
[19:28] <octoquad> Maaz, you are awesome!
[19:28] <Maaz> octoquad: I already know stuff about you
[19:28] <Kilos> lol
[19:28] <octoquad> Maaz, like...?
[19:28] <Maaz> octoquad: Huh?
[19:28] <octoquad> hehe
[19:29] <Kilos> i spent lotsa time with him in the beginning thinking it was someone trying to be funny
[19:29] <kbmonkey> ha ha
[19:29] <octoquad> lol
[19:29] <kbmonkey> wrote a mxit bot long ago, acted like a private chatroom for mates
[19:29] <Kilos> the guys must have hosed themselves at mthe fool n00b
[19:29] <kbmonkey> also could play word games, fun times
[19:30] <Kilos> kbmonkey, 
[19:30] <Kilos> think
[19:30] <kbmonkey> thunk?
[19:31] <Kilos> what if Waceman takes that old driver and opens it to see all the insides and does the same with a later driver
[19:31] <Kilos> will one then be able to fix the driver
[19:32] <kbmonkey> he's using the proprietary driver, which means the source code is not open
[19:32] <kbmonkey> so no he cant :(
[19:32] <Kilos> or there must be a tool available to convert .run to .deb
[19:32] <kbmonkey> that is why proprietary drivers are bad. otherwise somebody would have fixed it long ago
[19:32] <Kilos> as alien does for rpm and tar.zip to .deb
[19:33] <kbmonkey> i think the .run is it's own kind of setup
[19:33] <kbmonkey> nothing that we can convert
[19:33] <Kilos> Waceman, 
[19:33] <Kilos> if you near to someone with lotsa linux distros
[19:34] <Kilos> try redhat or mint or one of the others to see if they get the card going then use alien to convert that driver to .deb
[19:34] <octoquad> what card is it?
[19:34] <Kilos> there must be a way
[19:34] <Kilos> old nvidia
[19:35] <Kilos> v10\
[19:35] <Kilos> mine is v5
[19:35] <octoquad> has he tried downloading a the drier directly from the nvidia site?
[19:35] <Kilos> something with a 10 anyway
[19:35] <Kilos> yes thats a .run file and wont work
[19:36] <Kilos> he has been trying for a week now
[19:36] <octoquad> define wont work....
[19:36] <octoquad> not installing properly, does install properly but can't be used etc...
[19:36] <Kilos> so he must stick to nouveau drivers then
[19:37] <octoquad> rb
[19:37] <Kilos> ya
[19:37] <octoquad> i mean brb
[19:37] <Kilos> installed but not activated
[19:37] <octoquad> os/distro
[19:37] <octoquad> ?
[19:39] <Kilos> yeah one of the other linux systems
[19:40] <Kilos> but if that card worked with karmic then maybe just to modify a karmic driver to work in lucid
[19:42] <kbmonkey> eish that's getting into some heavy stuff
[19:42] <Kilos> Waceman, ibid is in synaptic if you wanna read up on it
[19:42] <Kilos> lol
[19:43] <Kilos> yeah will teach wace lekker
[19:43] <Kilos> then he can be the driver guy here
[19:43] <kbmonkey> wasn't it kodez asking about the bot?
[19:43] <Kilos> i dunno
[19:43] <Kilos> someone
[19:43] <Kilos> lol
[19:43] <Kilos> head no clever today again
[19:44] <kbmonkey> i properly thunk no can 
[19:46] <Kilos> thats why i say one of the other distros might have one and alien is in synaptic
[19:47] <kbmonkey> does mint have driver
[19:48] <Kilos> his prob is getting other linux os's to try
[19:48] <Kilos> one musta done something 
[19:49] <Kilos> suse rehad mint and how many more
[19:49] <Kilos> where is Waceman ?
[19:49] <Kilos> Waceman, cooooweeeee
[19:49] <Kilos> oh my fell asleep
[19:50] <kbmonkey> indeed
[19:50] <Kilos> Waceman, ping
[19:51] <Kilos> thats why i like xchat if you pm someone you can ping with a button
[19:51] <Kilos> some ctcp or something ping
[19:52] <kbmonkey> you're crazy Kilos 
[19:52] <kbmonkey> :D
[19:52] <Kilos> lol
[19:52] <Kilos> why
[19:52] <kbmonkey> dunno, takes one to know one I guess!
[19:52] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[19:53] <Kilos> did you see ping
[19:53] <Kilos> * Ping reply from kbmonkey: 1.58 second(s)
[19:54] <kbmonkey> 1.58 seconds
[19:54] <Kilos> how did you ping
[19:54] <kbmonkey> i write /ping kilos
[19:54] <Kilos> see ctcp ping
[19:54] <Kilos> oh /ping
[19:55] <Kilos> say you sorry, i not crazy
[19:55] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[19:55] <nlsthzn> :)
[19:55] <nlsthzn> Hey kbmonkey , Li
[19:55] <nlsthzn> Hey kbmonkey , Kilos 
[19:55] <nlsthzn> lol
[19:55] <kbmonkey> nlsthzn o/
[19:56] <Kilos> you well neelsie
[19:56] <nlsthzn> Hehe
[19:56] <nlsthzn> Always good thanks
[19:56] <Kilos> good
[19:57] <Kilos> dunno how long you been lurking , but you couldnt resist hey
[19:57]  * nlsthzn is pondering a blog again... but this time doing it the hard way (setting it up on a server etc. for the learning experience)
[19:57] <kbmonkey> man, where else could you install a music player with less than 400kb :]
[19:58] <Kilos> on a cell
[19:58] <kbmonkey> not event!
[19:58] <kbmonkey> even*
[19:58] <Kilos> wow
[19:58] <kbmonkey> too much python :p ha ha
[19:58]  * nlsthzn doesn't care about the size of the player... only the quality of the music
[19:58] <Kilos> lol
[19:58] <kbmonkey> ha ha
[19:58]  * Kilos likes vlc
[19:58] <Kilos> for all media
[19:59]  * nlsthzn will rather not say, don't want the mono bashing to start again :p
[19:59] <Kilos> even works on winsucks
[19:59] <Kilos> lol
[20:00]  * kbmonkey wants a biscuit
[20:00] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[20:00] <Kilos> we been too busy
[20:00]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[20:00] <Kilos> no wonder i spitting cotton wool
[20:04] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[20:04] <Kilos> Maaz, dankie
[20:04] <Maaz> Groot plesier Kilos my vriend
[20:05] <kbmonkey> i feel too tired to stare at a screen
[20:06] <Kilos> go sleep man
[20:11] <kbmonkey> good idea matey
[20:11] <kbmonkey> I'll catch you'all soon
[20:12]  * nlsthzn will have some tea now...
[20:12] <nlsthzn> brb
[20:12] <Kilos> sleep tight kbmonkey 
[20:14] <kbmonkey> same that side Kilos, nlsthzn, sweet dreams of error free days!
[20:33] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight. see yas morrow