[07:08] howdy all [07:19] morning all [07:19] Maaz, coffee on [07:19] * Maaz washes some mugs [07:23] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [07:29] Maaz, ty buddy [07:29] Dont get familiar now Kilos [07:37] gah, been trying to get online for an hour :p damn skyrove, what a load of horseradish [07:38] hi kbmonkey had similar hassles with voda after last nights storm [07:38] hi Kilos [07:38] mailed you [07:39] well I don't see why as their hotspot runs off dsl in the background. [07:39] pc probs [07:39] their portal page has some strange javascript redirects and it's just really flakey :D [07:39] yes I saw you emailed me, ill check it out! [07:39] thier pcs and servers or whatever they use arent linux [07:40] you can download those mags if i remember right [07:40] their [07:40] yes I have a collection of the mags already, got the special python issues too [07:40] ah its nuvolari 's buddies [07:40] ah clever lad [07:41] wow I am so glad my text mail works, this will help a lot! [07:41] explain the text mail thing [07:42] do you still use your old email providers [07:43] hi zeref bakuman [07:53] gone again [07:53] hi Kilos [07:53] hi magespawn whats gone [07:53] oh him [07:53] lol [07:53] his wireless seems worse than broadband [07:54] bit weird [07:54] i have not had a problem with skyrove [07:54] hows things going by you lad? [07:54] what is skyrove [07:55] kbmonkey also is having probs with them today [07:55] wifi hotspot provider [07:56] good have time today to sort out the mythbuntu sound [07:56] how far can one receive a signal from these wireless goodies [07:57] i tried a search with my cell but it doesnt seem to see any [07:57] dunno if you have to enter the address first or what [07:59] kbmonkey, wb [08:00] magespawn, is also having skyrove probs [08:00] no if you are within range then you should see them [08:00] i have not had a problem with skyrove [08:00] kilos ^^^^ [08:01] it is wifi so depends on the equipment typically only within the establishment [08:02] nuvolari, use ^space in alpine to skip between words ;) [08:03] I have strong skyrove signal and their portal page always loads, but mostly it loads to a point then stops. [08:03] some really flaky system they run ;P [08:03] kbmonkey> gah, been trying to get online for an hour :p damn skyrove, what a load of horseradish [08:03] ^^ exactly [08:03] that might be a dsl problem [08:04] lol [08:04] life in the IT world [08:04] it worries me that the network isn't secured [08:05] that is a big problem means all passwords are sent in the clear [08:05] firesheep [08:06] firefox add on that allows you to sniff passwords and usernames over wireless networks from anyone connected to that hotspot [08:07] eish thats not clever in todays world [08:08] yup there are all sorts of programs but that one allows any one hacker or not to do it [08:08] like wireshark [08:09] just set promiscous mode on and see what's flying through the air. scary stuff [08:10] is there no way of getting secured at least from your end [08:10] oh [08:10] wait [08:10] depends, gmail uses ssl so that is secure [08:10] but irc for example, is not. [08:10] i saw in a linuxtips mail that you can block you pc from being pinged to stop that [08:11] will that work [08:11] that will only hide your presence, security through obscurity [08:11] i see if i still got that mail [08:11] anything that's not encrypted can be sniffed [08:11] * kbmonkey sniffs [08:11] oh my [08:11] smells like rain [08:12] morning tumbleweed [08:12] morning tumbleweed [08:12] anything that's encrypted can possibly be intercepted (although a security-concious user would notice) by an active attacker who man-in-the-middle attacks the user [08:12] * tumbleweed waves [08:13] yup and when on unencrypted wireless the password and user name are sent unencrypted [08:15] whew dicey [08:16] magespawn: not entirely sure what you maen by that. what username and password? [08:16] unencrypted wifi is just a particularly easy medium to sniff in, but the same problems exist no matter how you are connected to the internet [08:19] when on wifi logging into say facebook - that user name and password [08:21] aye tumbleweed. [08:22] facebook's login page itself uses SSL, but once you're logged in, you don't use SSL any more, so your cookie can be sniffed and someone can impersonate you [08:22] but your password itself isn't exposed [08:23] they guy who made firesheep was particularly concerned about public wifi though [08:23] ssl also means its encrypted between server and client? [08:23] and if you are using the https setting? [08:23] the issue is that many sites do not use ssl/https [08:23] magespawn: that would help a lot :) [08:25] thats what i set up and lost the use of a whole lot of face book apps lol including the one from nashua to over tech advice to people [08:26] take a look here www.takethislollipop.com next time your are logged into facebook [08:26] scared the daylights out of my wife [08:26] then you might just tighten up the security [08:27] this is cool http://mybroadband.co.za/news/cellular/37130-quiet-cellular-antenna-technology-for-ska.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter [08:35] magespawn, is it text and can i wget it [08:36] not sure [08:36] hold on [08:36] ty [08:37] antennae info i like [08:37] used to build antennae for ham frequencies back in the day [08:39] here is the link on codepad [08:39] http://codepad.org/J0o1D9PI [08:41] ty [08:41] wow one second [08:44] hiya nlsthzn [08:44] welcome to ubuntu-za [08:44] hehe [08:44] kbmonkey, wb [08:44] Good morning Uncle Kilos :) [08:45] thx Kilos :) [09:17] Kilos did you get it? [09:18] yes ty magespawn but will read when offline otherwise it also goes for data for some unknown reason [09:19] dunno about the codepad way but html ones always go to the site for something [09:19] maintaining connection and the adverts on the page do not help at all [09:20] so when offline i read them and copy paste to a file then delete the html link [09:41] back again not sure what happened there [09:43] its all over [09:43] even Vince-0 went and came [09:43] I was offline since last night - just woke up! [09:44] oh my goodness sorry Vince-0 morning [09:45] lol @ kbmonkey [09:45] over 1000 ks [10:03] just got battlefield3 so 3am vibes - this game is the best [10:03] on ubuntu? [10:03] negative - win7 [10:03] grrrr [10:04] hehe [10:04] imo thats all windows is good for [10:04] ur a militant activist! [10:04] lol [10:04] true, but it runs virtualbox for linux/bsd tests [10:04] used to love playing war games [10:05] actually, ubuntu media pc is on tv - runs m0n0wall VM for traffic shaping [10:05] on tv where? [10:07] learned something new today [10:07] some usb ports on the same usb card are faster than the rest [10:11] usb 2 and such has backwards compatibility [10:12] just fired up a Pentium-s 133mhz [10:12] hi Waceman [10:13] its alive *creepy horror type voice [10:13] whats a pentium s magespawn where it fits in the speed cue [10:13] lol [10:13] very slow think 10-15 years ago [10:14] most phone laugh at this pc [10:14] before pentium 1 and 2 [10:14] think so [10:14] brb [10:15] Howdy Kilos [10:16] tv in livingroom [10:16] Kilos: turns out after ubuntu 9 doens't support Legacy nVidia... [10:17] but I wanted to ask the kbmoney if he could think of naything else [10:17] aw thats not lekker [10:17] he was here just now [10:18] kilos was launched in 1995 [10:18] aha [10:18] uses a serial ball mouse [10:18] similar to the old 486 with 40m cpu and 40m ram [10:18] yeah i had that [10:19] was my first prob with ubuntu getting the mouse to work [10:19] and no usb ports [10:19] after that if your friends had a 486 you where king of the hill with this baby [10:19] ya ha ha ha [10:19] but will work as a server [10:20] and play dos games [10:20] yup will be fun to see what i can do with it [10:21] still needs mouse drivers lol [10:21] asked my boet to leave me his i5 lappy in his will [10:22] he just laughed. his 7 years younger [10:22] there was a big job making mouse work [10:22] took weeks [10:22] on ubuntu 8.10 [10:24] had many pages of written instructions [10:24] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto [10:27] this is for those with uncapped connections http://planefinder.net/ [10:27] show a real time map with commercial planes [10:27] ty Kilos [10:28] had to use sudo nano commands [10:28] was a b ig job for a noob [10:31] good way to learn though [10:32] it does not even have a network connection [10:32] ya [10:32] if you dont forget [10:32] i will have to dig out a network card [10:32] lee sharp on the lists just said to me get a usb mouse [10:33] no usb ports [10:33] ya me too [10:34] only after i got the mouse working did i eventually get a usb card to plug in [10:34] here i find an old command i wrote down for sound i think [10:35] sudo modprobe snd-sb (tab,tab to list more) [10:35] hehe [10:38] are you still using the machine [10:38] yeah inna storeroom at the back [10:39] an upgraded 386 as well [10:39] not using sorry [10:39] still have [10:39] feeding the rats now [10:48] hehe magespawn found some pages of serial mouse commands [10:56] also have pentium -mmx running at 200mhz [11:00] brb [11:54] nagedid you win with the seriel mouse [11:54] eish [11:54] magespawn, [11:57] tempa vs tp-link gigabit swithces, R225 8-port tempa, R329 8-port tp-link [11:57] is tp-link n ekstra R100 werd? [12:12] oops tenda [13:42] o/ [15:06] weirdest of weird [15:07] i got to /var/cache/apt/archives/ and all thats there is a partial folder and a lock file [15:07] supposed to be all archived packages [15:09] i been robbed [15:11] thank heavens for rsync to external [15:28] be back this evening [17:33] I see you got your site up Kilos [17:34] yeah kbmonkey nuvolari helped [17:35] actually did it all [17:35] hey [17:35] wait i catch you [17:41] kbmonkey: how's it going? [17:42] hi Waceman [17:42] I had wifi troubles this morn so gave up after an hour of trying :p [17:42] ah man, annoying [17:42] thanks for showing me those debian articles.. they were very helpful... [17:43] but alas, I don't think x server supports my card no more [17:45] kbmonkey: can I tell you the steps I took? :) [17:47] I can't promise anything but let us try ;) [17:47] thanks :) OK I used the steps from this article: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDriversNvidiaWay [17:48] 1. sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop [17:48] 2. export CC=gcc-4.4 (because the installer requires both nVidia kernel and linux kernel to have same gcc) [17:48] 3. sudo sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-71.86.15-pkg1.run (says install script failed... do I want to continue.. select 'yes' and installs fine) [17:48] 4. modprobe nvidia (then went and inserted that line into file: /etc/init.d/rc.local so that it loads nVidia every reboot) [17:48] 5. create xorg.conf in /etc/X11 [17:49] So I did all those steps, rebooted... screen flashes and get an error and have to boot into graphics safe mode [17:50] This is what the error looked like: [17:50] (EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so [17:50] (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (loader failed, 7) [17:50] (EE) No drivers available [17:56] soz ran out of juice [17:57] internet juice [17:57] np [17:57] did you get that link Kilos [17:57] nossir [17:58] Waceman lets see [17:59] did you try any of the other methods in that page? [17:59] I wrote it all out ;) [17:59] thanks OK I used the steps from this article: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDriversNvidiaWay [17:59] 1. sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop [17:59] 2. export CC=gcc-4.4 (because the installer requires both nVidia kernel and linux kernel to have same gcc) [17:59] 3. sudo sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-71.86.15-pkg1.run (says install script failed... do I want to continue.. select 'yes' and installs fine) [17:59] 4. modprobe nvidia (then went and inserted that line into file: /etc/init.d/rc.local so that it loads nVidia every reboot) [17:59] 5. create xorg.conf in /etc/X11 19:48:31 [17:59] So I did all those steps, rebooted... screen flashes and get an error and have to boot into graphics safe mode 19:49:49 [17:59] This is what the error looked like: [17:59] (EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so [17:59] (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (loader failed, 7) [17:59] (EE) No drivers available [18:01] no i mean, did you try the alternative drivers? like vesa, nv or nouveau? [18:02] http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers [18:02] see that one, its a different page [18:02] perhaps try one of the free drivers [18:02] that page also has other methods (apart from running .run ) [18:03] I think it automatically uses versa.. and the open gl screensavers work, but are quite slow.. but for now .. that's what I'm using [18:03] hmm yes then its not using your card fully [18:04] how will I know what it's using? [18:04] there's no xorg.conf in X11 now? [18:04] I reformatted everything [18:04] what other methods besides .run? :) [18:04] section #3 troubleshooting #3 hardware acc doesnt work [18:04] http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers [18:05] there are a couple methods there, try the free drivers [18:05] can you run glxinfo? [18:06] no, I have to install it again, what was that command? [18:06] oh wait it says :P [18:07] pls use pastebin [18:07] pastebin.com [18:07] for anything more than 3 lines [18:07] hello everyone. how's your saturday [18:07] hi kodez ok here ty [18:07] hi kodez [18:08] its halloween and all spooky outside [18:08] lol [18:08] ok, what do you want from the glxinfo output? [18:08] does it error? [18:08] paste all of it [18:08] in pastebin.com pls [18:08] hi kilos, how are you? i've been offline for quite sometime. what's? [18:09] where can i learn more about starting a linux user group? [18:09] ok here ty kodez , and you? [18:09] ok, it's on my other pc... gonna try set up IRC on that... [18:09] kilos, i am in good shape and spirit [18:09] Do I use Jabber? [18:09] good [18:10] ooh no thats fine Waceman [18:10] simply if glxinfo errors then your drivers are not setup [18:10] but if it shows all kinds of info, then drivers are fine [18:11] what monitor do you have? crt? lcd? [18:11] says direct rendering: yes [18:11] crt [18:11] could be the default resolution is too high for your screen [18:11] iirc there lines we can put in xorg.conf to make it use a specific resolution [18:12] also consider a faulty card :( [18:12] iirc - what? [18:12] if i remember correctly [18:12] :D [18:13] this is what tumbleweed found: The 71 and 96 series of proprietary nVidia drivers, as provided by the nvidia-glx-legacy and nvidia-glx packages in Ubuntu 8.04 LTS, are not compatible with the X.Org included in Ubuntu 8.10. [18:13] from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseNotes === kbmonkey_ is now known as kbmonkey [18:18] this is what tumbleweed found: The 71 and 96 series of proprietary nVidia drivers, as provided by the nvidia-glx-legacy and nvidia-glx packages in Ubuntu 8.04 LTS, are not compatible with the X.Org included in Ubuntu 8.10. [18:18] from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseNotes [18:18] this is what tumbleweed found: The 71 and 96 series of proprietary nVidia drivers, as provided by the nvidia-glx-legacy and nvidia-glx packages in Ubuntu 8.04 LTS, are not compatible with the X.Org included in Ubuntu 8.10. [18:18] from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseNotes [18:18] kbmonkey_, wb thats really a bad connection hey [18:18] lol [18:18] ran out of credit [18:19] eish [18:19] thx :) [18:19] kodez died same time [18:19] oh okay Waceman I see [18:19] thats a tricky one, we need expert help here [18:19] and who's that expert? ;) [18:19] try the #ubuntu support channel? [18:20] ok [18:20] Im by no means an nvidia expert, I got mine working by accident after many days of struggling :P [18:20] I mean, if the drivers are not compatible with xorg, then what.. [18:20] well, I reckon I just leave it... [18:21] try the nouveau drivers [18:21] theyre free ones, not from nvidia [18:21] how can I see which one's I'm currently using? [18:21] kodez, wb [18:21] I'm not too sure, there is a way, the wiki may say? [18:21] its a _lot_ of reading, but well detailed [18:22] kilos, thanks. i'm using my laptop and it switches itself off if the fan is not working [18:22] doesnt glxinfo tell the version driver? [18:22] kodez someone told me other day the same problem [18:23] they bought a laptop cooling stand, now it has now problem :D [18:23] no* [18:24] i don't have money at the moment to buy other stuff. i hope to buy another laptop as this one is already old [18:27] you never know Waceman perhaps those alternative drivers work on the older cards! [18:27] yeah.. .can't find which one's I currently have [18:27] can't find it in glxinfo [18:28] Waceman, try letting a fan blow onto the lappy [18:29] a fan? [18:29] even put 2 rulers under lappy to lift it a bit so air can flow under it too [18:29] eish sorry Waceman [18:29] was meant for kodez [18:29] :) [18:29] sorry [18:30] kodez^^ [18:30] thats a good idea Kilos! elevate it and blow a desk fan underneath it [18:30] yeah [18:30] no problem kilos [18:30] i dunno where they get the horrest but thats where you wanna cool [18:31] hottest [18:31] i just need to start generating an income in order to build my computer studio [18:31] is blerry horrest today! ;D [18:36] lol [18:40] no one every responds to me in #ubuntu... [18:41] you have to just be patient Waceman [18:41] some times it takes hours [18:56] Waceman, try explain your prob nicely to them so they dont have to first ask questions [18:56] ok [18:57] thanks [18:59] sorry I dont have that experience to see the solution Waceman [18:59] but try those other methods [18:59] just in case [19:00] wace and also bump them every hour or so by doing a /me then repeat you request [19:00] * Kilos like this [19:01] Waceman, ^^ [19:01] i am sure they all wait for someone else to help first as well [19:01] i just started to blog today. i will be happy if some of you can visit my blog (kodexz.blogger.com) and let me know what you thing [19:02] no other place is helpful like ubuntu-za [19:02] as soon as i get data i will go look kodez [19:02] thing = think [19:02] thanks kilos [19:03] kodez: page doens't load for me? [19:03] thanks Kilos [19:03] yw [19:04] there must be someone else in the world that has had that problem [19:04] let me check what's the problem. it was working well earlier [19:04] you cant be alone [19:09] have you tried the ubuntuforums Waceman ? [19:09] bound to be someone there who had the same problem [19:09] I've searched them.. but at this stage I'm calling it ;p [19:10] found on the forums people saying the driver isn't support any more [19:10] that's why you used an older one [19:10] maybe the debian forums [19:11] hello hello :) [19:11] hi hi :) [19:12] hiya octoquad [19:14] does anyone here have admin rights on ubuntu-za [19:15] Kilos: sudo ubuntu-za ;) [19:15] lol [19:15] in the channel [19:15] Kilos: for the site? [19:16] yeah ubuntu-za.org [19:16] someone helped the fly with stuff there last week but i forget who [19:17] i am sorry to post a wrong link the correct one is http://kodexz.blogspot.com/ [19:17] Maaz, kodez .blog is http://kodexz.blogspot.com/ [19:17] Kilos: One learns a new thing every day [19:17] cool kodez checking it out :) [19:18] grr [19:18]