[00:00] <knome> patiency and a bloated DE
[00:00]  * knome hides
[00:01] <ochosi> knome: what is "patiency"? is that a variation of the game "patience"?
[00:01] <knome> lol
[00:01]  * knome kicks himself in the ankle
[00:01] <knome> i really should sleep
[00:01] <knome> i even fixed our bed today!!
[00:01] <ochosi> yeah, same here
[00:01] <ochosi> just wanna finish something first
[00:02] <knome> hmm... suspicious
[00:02] <ochosi> hm?
[00:02] <knome> nvm :P
[00:02] <knome> heh
[00:02] <knome> he had enough :)
[00:02] <knome> http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Wulffmorgenthaler/~3/KBQ7RrFZ5NI/
[00:04] <knome> !alis | Da_Coynul 
[00:04] <knome> BAH
[00:05] <knome> Da_Coynul, sorry... :)
[00:05] <ochosi> knome: btw, re: funny comics: http://www.smbc-comics.com/
[00:05] <Da_Coynul> no problem...sounds like u r tired
[00:06] <ochosi> today's quite funny in fact
[00:06] <knome> i am
[00:06] <knome> it's only 3am...
[00:06] <knome> heh, nice ochosi 
[00:07] <Da_Coynul> wow...don't think I'll be up that late!
[00:07] <knome> heh :)
[00:08] <ochosi> knome: also, if SiDi shows up in the near future, feel free to forward him this one: http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2407#comic
[00:09] <knome> haha
[00:09] <knome> i can post that to him when i see him at MSN
[00:09] <ochosi> yup, good idea :)
[00:17] <GridCube> http://www.supermegacomics.com/images/16.gif
[00:18] <ochosi> heh
[00:18] <ochosi> nice one
[00:19] <Da_Coynul> nice
[00:21] <Da_Coynul> http://www.smbc-comics.com/?db=comics&id=1377#comic
[00:21] <ochosi> hehe
[00:22] <ochosi> the votee is also pretty nice in that one :)
[00:23] <knome> lol
[00:23] <knome> it's a comic
[00:23] <knome> reality check
[00:23] <knome> it's what, 3am and you say a girl in a comic is nice?
[00:23] <ochosi> nah, the "votee" is the red dot left underneath each comic
[00:23] <knome> yeah
[00:24] <ochosi> when you hover it with the mouse you get additional fun
[00:24] <knome> i think i misread two words.
[00:24] <ochosi> haha
[00:24] <ochosi> *two*?
[00:24] <knome> "votee" => "girl", "nice" => "cute"
[00:24] <ochosi> lol
[00:24] <ochosi> don't you think i'm falling for a red dot!
[00:24] <knome> http://wulffmorgenthaler.com/strip/2010/08/16/
[00:24] <knome> :))
[00:25] <ochosi> hehe
[00:25] <knome> http://wulffmorgenthaler.com/strip/2011/10/05/
[00:25] <knome> that too is nice
[00:25] <knome> ;)
[00:26] <ochosi> yup, i like wulffmt in general i have to say
[00:26] <ochosi> anyway, i also gotta hit the sack
[00:26] <ochosi> see you soonish
[00:26] <knome> hehe
[00:26] <knome> yeah
[00:26] <Da_Coynul> good night
[00:26] <knome> i'm going to bed too
[00:26] <knome> see you!
[00:26] <ochosi> night everyone!
[00:26] <knome> nighty night!
[03:37] <pleia2> knome: doing Disney before UDS so I'm not around much this week
[08:40] <madnick> knome: you there?
[08:49] <madnick> oh, i just read the backlogs about what you said, you said "this discussion should be at #xubuntu-devel", i read it as "xubuntu-devel" thus the ML .. oh well, now its there aswell :)
[09:05] <knome> madnick, now i am
[09:06] <knome> madnick, no no, it's a good thing you sent the mail
[09:08] <madnick> okay :P
[09:09] <knome> how is the ComputerSpecs table linked to the other tables?
[09:09] <madnick> Computer specs is linked to testperformed
[09:09] <knome> right
[09:09] <knome> i was thinking:
[09:09] <knome> add UserComputers
[09:09] <knome> and link those to user
[09:10] <knome> and make him able to select the computer used
[09:10] <knome> so he don't have to input the data again
[09:10] <knome> or is it already like this ;)
[09:10] <madnick> yes, it is linked ot userid
[09:10] <madnick> aswell
[09:10] <knome> good
[09:12] <madnick> knome: wanna see the acctual fields btw?
[09:12] <madnick> i didnt link them in the mail
[09:12] <madnick> because i figured its not that important
[09:12] <madnick> hehe
[09:12] <knome> yeah, i suppose it isn't
[09:12] <knome> how is the test schedule stored/calculated?
[09:12] <knome> or is it :P
[09:13] <madnick> Well, I was thinking of adding a table for urgent Testcases
[09:13] <madnick> or a field
[09:13] <knome> right, so it's the testcases
[09:13] <madnick> yes
[09:13] <knome> add two fields
[09:13] <knome> "testStart"
[09:13] <knome> "testEnd"
[09:13] <knome> date-fields
[09:14] <madnick> yeah
[09:14] <knome> testStart is when the test appears for users
[09:14] <knome> testEnd is when it is supposed to be done
[09:14] <knome> and those whose testEnd < time() == urgent
[09:14] <knome> you might want to create a table TestSchedule bte
[09:14] <knome> *btw
[09:14] <knome> with test id and the dates
[09:15] <knome> because you *really* don't want to add the data manually
[09:15] <madnick> indeed
[09:17] <madnick> knome: but.. is this gonna be a cycle on all tests
[09:17] <madnick> Or are we gonna have someone appointed to decide which tests
[09:17] <knome> hmm?
[09:17] <knome> why shouldn't it be a cycle on all tests
[09:17] <madnick> Well, I think that, sometimes it would be useful to really really test a certain case
[09:18] <knome> well of course you can manually add tests
[09:18] <madnick> if we had a manual flg
[09:18] <knome> and edit
[09:18] <madnick> yes
[09:18] <knome> what you could also have in the TestSchedule table is
[09:18] <knome> TestCycle id
[09:18] <knome> which would link all the tests in the same cycle
[09:18] <knome> that could be "pangolin-1"
[09:18] <knome> or
[09:18] <knome> "pangolin-after-desktop-image-brok-horribly"
[09:20] <knome> though
[09:20] <knome> when you create a new cycle
[09:20] <knome> you should either tell the system to take into account the tests already done in other cycle
[09:20] <knome> or ignore them
[09:21] <knome> say, you've done half of the test cycle
[09:21] <knome> and something breaks
[09:21] <knome> and you want to test the 64bit desktop iso more
[09:21] <madnick> yeah
[09:21] <knome> what should the system do
[09:21] <knome> or would subschedules be better
[09:22] <knome> "continue with 'pangolin', but also run 'pangolin-64bit-fail'"
[09:22] <madnick> I need a coffee before I think about this ;)
[09:22] <knome> heh, yeah
[09:22] <knome> i'm not the best DB architect there is either, but i know the stuff on some level
[09:23] <knome> and ideas behind a system that is feasible to manage ;)
[09:24] <madnick> :) i just hope we really get this done 
[09:24] <madnick> Before the 1th Dec
[09:25] <madnick> Since I got 18 hour work days I think it will work out :P
[09:28] <knome> heh
[10:19] <ochosi> knome: btw, i started theming the gtk-calendar a bit today
[10:21] <ochosi> this is the result of a quick experiment: http://imagebin.org/181400
[10:21] <ochosi> hope i can rework it some more so that it looks more like the indicator popups
[10:23] <knome> right'o
[10:23] <knome> need to go now
[10:23] <knome> see you later
[10:24] <ochosi> yup, see you
[12:53] <GridCube> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vlc/+bug/883463
[13:17] <pleia2> btw, I'm doing the xfce of the new "closing windows" section of FCM: http://dl.fullcirclemagazine.org/issue54_en.pdf
[13:25] <madnick> pleia2: what page?
[13:25] <pleia2> 27
[13:25] <madnick> thanks
[13:26] <knome> bah, dns stuff at server failing
[13:26] <knome> madnick, you there?
[13:26] <madnick> knome: yes
[13:26] <pleia2> it's actually been a bit tricky to write, since I haven't used windows in years :\
[13:26] <knome> okay
[13:27] <pleia2> "foo is bar in linux" "err, what is foo?"
[13:27] <knome> i have a few problems with booting (mostly graphical)
[13:27] <madnick> plymouth? :o
[13:28] <knome> madnick, the plymouth screen is strecthed (i have a widescreen monitor), all the characters are a bit wider than they should
[13:28] <knome> yes, isn't that what we have before lightdm?
[13:28] <knome> madnick, is that issue addressable?
[13:28] <madnick> yes :P
[13:28] <madnick> yes it is
[13:28] <knome> okay, good
[13:28] <knome> the other issue is
[13:28] <madnick> but... aspect ratio scaling is not optimal
[13:29] <knome> when i get the "routine disk check" message, i don't get a message on how to cancel it
[13:29] <knome> however, i need to press C...
[13:29] <knome> ...and when i do the message says "keys:"
[13:29] <madnick> oh
[13:29] <knome> those are my little problems in booting
[13:29] <madnick> Well, i know the solution for all these problems
[13:29] <knome> great
[13:30] <knome> it would be great to get them out before the 12.04 release :)
[13:30] <madnick> But, why is this the first I hear of this :( Wasnt there alot of testing :P
[13:30] <knome> i think actually the logo in plymouth too is a bit stretched
[13:30] <knome> i can check that the next time when i boot
[13:30] <knome> i don't know. yeah, we probably ran out of time
[13:30] <knome> weird that nobody has said anything about this after the release though
[13:30] <knome> anyway, now you got the report :)
[13:31] <madnick> Just need to increase size of message place for more rows :P
[13:31] <madnick> And find a good scaling algo
[13:31] <knome> if you need to know anything else about these small bugs, feel free to ping me
[13:31] <madnick> btw knome 
[13:31] <knome> yeah?
[13:31] <madnick> http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/greeter-draft1.png
[13:31] <knome> nice! :)
[13:31] <madnick> Like, super super super draft of a draft :P
[13:32] <madnick> its just working
[13:32] <knome> btw, we're probably changing the wallpaper for 12.04
[13:32] <knome> though that shouldn't be a problem
[13:32] <madnick> nope, infact just do
[13:32] <knome> it should still be something that stays in the BG
[13:32] <knome> yeah
[13:32] <madnick> background: url () ;P
[13:32] <knome> it doesn't change any design decisions either :)
[13:32] <knome> yeah, i know
[13:32] <knome> but also we don't need to worry about transparency of items either
[13:32] <knome> or anything
[13:32] <knome> or the logo
[13:33] <madnick> oh okay
[13:33] <madnick> so you have a new bg in progress? 
[13:33] <madnick> :D
[13:33] <knome> it will be just a replacement that works as the current :)
[13:33] <knome> not yet, but it will be something that fits in without too much hassle
[13:34] <knome> 1) because i like the blue tones 2) because i like wallpapers that stay in the background and 3) because i don't want to go through all the same hassle again, and you'll have more time for other things as well :)
[13:34] <madnick> :)
[13:34] <knome> (or 3b, you can have some time off too, if you want)
[13:35] <madnick> me without a computer :O
[13:35] <knome> lol, that's not what i said
[13:35] <knome> the break i'm taking from FOSS doesn't mean i'm wihtout a computer
[13:35] <knome> or without irc either
[13:35] <madnick> oh :P
[13:36] <knome> i'm just not hanging around the FOSS channels/networks :P
[13:37] <madnick> Btw, Im gonna wait before I implement the db, until I've gotten some response on the email, because i figure charlie atleast will have something to say about features
[13:37] <knome> yeah
[13:37] <knome> that's good thinking
[13:37] <knome> if you want more help with the db structure, you could ask either mr_pouit, #shimmer (with some developers) or even the #xfce-dev
[13:38] <madnick> :)
[13:40] <knome> i'm going to work on commercial stuff for a while, then eat dinner. i'll be back after those two
[13:40] <knome> see you! :)
[13:40] <madnick> cya
[13:42] <ochosi> madnick: nice work madnick 
[13:44] <madnick> ochosi: thanks :P
[18:24] <GridCube> madnick, on your greeter, there is a way to allow onscreen keyboard?
[18:24] <GridCube> i've seen people whit tablets ask for this
[18:26] <Unit193> Ah!! Greeter!
[18:30] <madnick> GridCube: yes, it works, but there is no window manager
[18:30] <GridCube> oh
[18:30] <GridCube> that makes sense
[18:30] <madnick> Which makes it unpleasent to work with onboard
[18:31] <madnick> Im concidering making a new one
[18:31] <GridCube> a new keyboard?
[18:31] <madnick> Nobody in #ubuntu-devel replies
[18:31] <knome> madnick, :P
[18:31] <GridCube> :P they migh be all on vacations
[18:32] <madnick> true
[18:32] <madnick> its the UDS
[18:32] <madnick> soon, or now, i dont nkow
[18:32] <madnick> :d
[18:32] <knome> starts on monday i suppose
[18:32] <madnick> ah, on halloween :P
[18:35] <GridCube> halloween
[18:35] <GridCube> :P