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| sagaci | https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-au/+junk/iso-l10n -- basic outline of ubuntu-defaults package, just added some bookmarks, languages and default launchers. | 10:01 |
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| sagaci | by no means anything official but should build with the ubuntu-defaults-image but I wouldn't recommend it since it's obviously not the finished product | 10:02 |
| head_victim | Aren't the canonical people working towards doing half the work for this sort of thing? I'm not sure how it all fits together but I thought this was the stuff they were offering to do for us. | 10:03 |
| xannen | Hi again. | 10:03 |
| head_victim | Gday xannen | 10:04 |
| sagaci | head_victim, what, figure out the requirements of each and every locale in existence | 10:05 |
| head_victim | sagaci: or is that the sort of thing we needed to provide to get them to build it? | 10:05 |
| sagaci | from what I gather, they've made the tools, we fill in the blanks and we can use their build system or live-build | 10:06 |
| head_victim | Ah ok, don't mind me, I'm a little slow on the uptake on the technical aspects of things like this | 10:06 |
| xannen | I still have issues with 11.10. :( I'm on windows 7 now. LOL | 10:06 |
| head_victim | xannen: what sort of issues? | 10:07 |
| xannen | Mainly graphics for now. After a while, I get graphics lag. And still have unity dash appearing on wrong screen for dual monitor. | 10:08 |
| head_victim | xannen: both of those seem like video driver issues to me. | 10:08 |
| head_victim | nvidia or ati? | 10:08 |
| xannen | Nvidia. | 10:08 |
| xannen | I didn't have these issues on 11.04. | 10:09 |
| head_victim | Firstly, open up the nvidia control panel and make sure the monitor you want set on the LHS is the primary monitor | 10:09 |
| head_victim | Soudns like it's swapped the primary monitor around | 10:09 |
| xannen | In 11.04, I had my primary monitor on the RHS, and unity dash appeared on that monitor -- as I liked it. With 11.10, it worked in reverse. This is filed as a bugged and not yet fixed. But that's just me. Also there was openjdk issue with versioning and dependency. | 10:11 |
| head_victim | Ah well, back up and reinstall 11.04 | 10:12 |
| head_victim | ? | 10:12 |
| xannen | Yeah, I guess. | 10:12 |
| head_victim | I assume you've already tried all the different video drivers available? | 10:12 |
| xannen | Yep. LOL. From recommended and ppa. | 10:13 |
| head_victim | And nouveau? | 10:13 |
| xannen | By the way, how's the progress with "ubuntu hour"? | 10:13 |
| head_victim | Poorly | 10:13 |
| xannen | I tried to installed nouveau but the process is more complicated and stuffed it up. :S | 10:14 |
| head_victim | The process is simply deactivating the nvidia drivers as far as I know. | 10:14 |
| xannen | Oddly, in 11.10, in the "install additional driver", nouveau was not offer. It only showed proprietary. :S Which is oddly with linux open source philosophy. | 10:16 |
| head_victim | That's because nouveau isn't an additional driver. If you deactivate the nvidia one it defaults to nouveau. | 10:17 |
| xannen | Ah... Okay. Whatever happened to the option to use opensource nvidia driver then? o.O | 10:17 |
| head_victim | nouveau IS the open source nvidia driver | 10:17 |
| xannen | Ah... okay... I'm sorry, I am confused with these changes in settings (i.e. explicitly stating whether open source is used or not). | 10:19 |
| xannen | And I didn't know these information (i.e. if no proprietary gpu driver is specified, open source is used, if available.) | 10:19 |
| head_victim | No idea if the nouveau driver will do 3d though. I haven't used it in years. | 10:22 |
| xannen | It was a bad timing for me because when I bought my comp earlier this year, I only had windows use in mind. A few months down the track, I decided to try out ubuntu. If I know this, I would have bought "open source supported" hardware, e.g. intel or ati gpu, etc... | 10:25 |
| head_victim | I've always recommended nvidia for Ubuntu use personally. Been using them for 5 years without a hitch. | 10:29 |
| head_victim | Never once had an issue. | 10:29 |
| ikt | i was the same with ati up until 11.04 | 10:30 |
| head_victim | I've never used ATI since I spent a month trying to get my 9600 to do 3d. | 10:30 |
| head_victim | Been with Nvidia ever since and used the proprietary drivers ever since. I know the purist hate that but it just works for me. | 10:31 |
| xannen | Haha... | 10:32 |
| xannen | I was using ati before I my nvidia and wanted to try out nvidia. No problems on windows, obviously from better support. I discovered intel gpu has open source support better than other gpu. So in future I will consider intel. | 10:34 |
| head_victim | Intel have had their problems as well. But also, intel don't make stand alone GPUs. Therefore their performance is heaps lower than ati and nvidia. | 10:34 |
| xannen | I hope intel will offer better gpu and/or other gpu release their driver codes as open source. :D | 10:35 |
| head_victim | Intel only do integrated video. These will never rival standalone video cards for performance. | 10:36 |
| xannen | Do you have recommendation for touch screen laptop? | 10:37 |
| head_victim | Not really, never had a need for one so never spent time looking into them. | 10:38 |
| head_victim | Maybe ask on the mailing list for more ideas. | 10:38 |
| xannen | Okay. | 10:39 |
| head_victim | sagaci: had a look over that stuff. Looking good mate. Sorry I didn't get it before. | 10:39 |
| head_victim | Anyone else giving you any feedback on the brainstorming? | 10:40 |
| sagaci | I think I've made it available enough, with the blueprint and pad, anyone can add/suggest so it's just a case of people actually contributing | 10:41 |
| head_victim | Yeah that's what I was wondering, if anyone was actually contributing. | 10:41 |
| head_victim | I'm finding it hard drumming up support for events and stuff as well so wondering how it was going for you | 10:41 |
| sagaci | not really so far but can't let that slow it down, I can't really make it any more accessible as it is | 10:42 |
| sagaci | as long as you're set up for ubuntu development/lp/ssh/bzr, it's super easy to get it and fiddle around with the settings and recommit | 10:43 |
| head_victim | I'm not sure I'll ever be set up for dev but I've tried to help with the brainstorming and ideas part. | 10:44 |
| head_victim | I'm no good with technical stuff. | 10:44 |
| sagaci | it's a lot of trial and error, more error... fix one error and you get two more | 10:50 |
| head_victim | Finding the time is the killer. | 10:53 |
| sagaci | head_victim: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Oneiric/LocalizedCDImageTools#Rationale -- that's where I got the "locos in control of the customisations" | 10:55 |
| head_victim | Yeah, it does sound like a really good project. | 10:56 |
| head_victim | And provides enough info to get your teeth into it | 10:56 |
| sagaci | so how do we go about getting some consensus for the defaults if no one is contributing? | 10:57 |
| head_victim | Obviously if no one is objecting you're doing it perfectly to suit their needs :) | 10:57 |
| sagaci | obviously no one would mind a default www.justinbieber.com.au | 10:58 |
| sagaci | in their firefox bookmarks | 10:58 |
| head_victim | Speaking of justin beiber, good evening bejames | 11:01 |
| bejames | Hey!? | 11:02 |
| head_victim | You're the team pretty boy? I'm trying to make a tenuous link here. | 11:02 |
| bejames | Very tenuous. You need glasses | 11:03 |
| head_victim | I've actaully gotten some since we last caught up. | 11:03 |
| head_victim | You have any ideas how we can scrounge up $500 for the installation festival? | 11:04 |
| bejames | Urrr no | 11:04 |
| head_victim | Everyone I can think of want details before handing over cash, but no one in the team seems interested in working out the details until we're sure it will go ahead :P | 11:05 |
| sagaci | head_victim: what do you think about this string https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/cups/+pots/cups/en_AU/+translate?show=new_suggestions | 11:07 |
| bejames | There must be another way to do this. Other teams seem to be able to pull this off without cost | 11:07 |
| head_victim | bejames: yeah the issue is finding a half decent venue to get enough publicity to get enouh people going | 11:08 |
| head_victim | sagaci: looks fine from here, printers do have waste bins :) | 11:08 |
| bejames | head_victim: And the key requirement is Power / Internet accesss? | 11:09 |
| head_victim | bejames: open to suggestions of free ones that we can use that will get people to :) | 11:09 |
| head_victim | bejames: that and publically accessible (interacting with the general public, not just people who are already involved in linux) | 11:10 |
| head_victim | Internet isn't a major thing either, we can probably do without that | 11:10 |
| bejames | head_victim: have BCC libraries been looked at? | 11:10 |
| head_victim | I had assumed they'd have the same cost as the edge is a part of the state library. I guess we should confirm that or not | 11:11 |
| xannen | Yes, go BCC library and teach elderly ubuntu linux. :D | 11:12 |
| bejames | Free for community group if Im reading this correctly http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/facilities-recreation/libraries/hiring-library-meeting-rooms/index.htm#2 | 11:14 |
| head_victim | bejames: looks right, what in that list would be most publically accessible, somwhere like Brisbane Square? Or Carindale/Chermside/Indooroopilly/Garden City type places? | 11:17 |
| head_victim | I gotta run, want to send an email to the list to see what the feedback is like? | 11:18 |
| bejames | head_victim: bye | 11:18 |
| === croppa_ is now known as croppa | ||
| gggs | evening all | 12:40 |
| sagaci | hi | 12:40 |
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