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sagacihttps://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-au/+junk/iso-l10n -- basic outline of ubuntu-defaults package, just added some bookmarks, languages and default launchers.10:01
sagaciby no means anything official but should build with the ubuntu-defaults-image but I wouldn't recommend it since it's obviously not the finished product10:02
head_victimAren't the canonical people working towards doing half the work for this sort of thing? I'm not sure how it all fits together but I thought this was the stuff they were offering to do for us.10:03
xannenHi again.10:03
head_victimGday xannen 10:04
sagacihead_victim, what, figure out the requirements of each and every locale in existence10:05
head_victimsagaci: or is that the sort of thing we needed to provide to get them to build it?10:05
sagacifrom what I gather, they've made the tools, we fill in the blanks and we can use their build system or live-build10:06
head_victimAh ok,  don't mind me, I'm a little slow on the uptake on the technical aspects of things like this10:06
xannenI still have issues with 11.10.  :(  I'm on windows 7 now.  LOL10:06
head_victimxannen: what sort of issues?10:07
xannenMainly graphics for now.  After a while, I get graphics lag.  And still have unity dash appearing on wrong screen for dual monitor.10:08
head_victimxannen: both of those seem like video driver issues to me.10:08
head_victimnvidia or ati?10:08
xannenNvidia.10:08
xannenI didn't have these issues on 11.04.10:09
head_victimFirstly, open up the nvidia control panel and make sure the monitor you want set on the LHS is the primary monitor10:09
head_victimSoudns like it's swapped the primary monitor around10:09
xannenIn 11.04, I had my primary monitor on the RHS, and unity dash appeared on that monitor -- as I liked it.  With 11.10, it worked in reverse.  This is filed as a bugged and not yet fixed.  But that's just me.  Also there was openjdk issue with versioning and dependency.10:11
head_victimAh well, back up and reinstall 11.0410:12
head_victim?10:12
xannenYeah, I guess.10:12
head_victimI assume you've already tried all the different video drivers available?10:12
xannenYep.  LOL.  From recommended and ppa.10:13
head_victimAnd nouveau?10:13
xannenBy the way, how's the progress with "ubuntu hour"?10:13
head_victimPoorly10:13
xannenI tried to installed nouveau but the process is more complicated and stuffed it up.  :S10:14
head_victimThe process is simply deactivating the nvidia drivers as far as I know.10:14
xannenOddly, in 11.10, in the "install additional driver", nouveau was not offer.  It only showed proprietary.  :S  Which is oddly with linux open source philosophy.10:16
head_victimThat's because nouveau isn't an additional driver. If you deactivate the nvidia one it defaults to nouveau.10:17
xannenAh...  Okay.  Whatever happened to the option to use opensource nvidia driver then?  o.O10:17
head_victimnouveau IS the open source nvidia driver10:17
xannenAh... okay...  I'm sorry, I am confused with these changes in settings (i.e. explicitly stating whether open source is used or not).10:19
xannenAnd I didn't know these information (i.e. if no proprietary gpu driver is specified, open source is used, if available.)10:19
head_victimNo idea if the nouveau driver will do 3d though. I haven't used it in years.10:22
xannenIt was a bad timing for me because when I bought my comp earlier this year, I only had windows use in mind.  A few months down the track, I decided to try out ubuntu.  If I know this, I would have bought "open source supported" hardware, e.g. intel or ati gpu, etc...10:25
head_victimI've always recommended nvidia for Ubuntu use personally. Been using them for 5 years without a hitch.10:29
head_victimNever once had an issue.10:29
ikti was the same with ati up until 11.0410:30
head_victimI've never used ATI since I spent a month trying to get my 9600 to do 3d.10:30
head_victimBeen with Nvidia ever since and used the proprietary drivers ever since. I know the purist hate that but it just works for me.10:31
xannenHaha...10:32
xannenI was using ati before I my nvidia and wanted to try out nvidia.  No problems on windows, obviously from better support.  I discovered intel gpu has open source support better than other gpu.  So in future I will consider intel.10:34
head_victimIntel have had their problems as well. But also, intel don't make stand alone GPUs. Therefore their performance is heaps lower than ati and nvidia.10:34
xannenI hope intel will offer better gpu and/or other gpu release their driver codes as open source. :D10:35
head_victimIntel only do integrated video. These will never rival standalone video cards for performance.10:36
xannenDo you have recommendation for touch screen laptop?10:37
head_victimNot really, never had a need for one so never spent time looking into them.10:38
head_victimMaybe ask on the mailing list for more ideas.10:38
xannenOkay.10:39
head_victimsagaci: had a look over that stuff. Looking good mate. Sorry I didn't get it before.10:39
head_victimAnyone else giving you any feedback on the brainstorming?10:40
sagaciI think I've made it available enough, with the blueprint and pad, anyone can add/suggest so it's just a case of people actually contributing10:41
head_victimYeah that's what I was wondering, if anyone was actually contributing.10:41
head_victimI'm finding it hard drumming up support for events and stuff as well so wondering how it was going for you10:41
sagacinot really so far but can't let that slow it down, I can't really make it any more accessible as it is10:42
sagacias long as you're set up for ubuntu development/lp/ssh/bzr, it's super easy to get it and fiddle around with the settings and recommit10:43
head_victimI'm not sure I'll ever be set up for dev but I've tried to help with the brainstorming and ideas part.10:44
head_victimI'm no good with technical stuff.10:44
sagaciit's a lot of trial and error, more error... fix one error and you get two more10:50
head_victimFinding the time is the killer.10:53
sagacihead_victim: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Oneiric/LocalizedCDImageTools#Rationale -- that's where I got the "locos in control of the customisations"10:55
head_victimYeah, it does sound like a really good project.10:56
head_victimAnd provides enough info to get your teeth into it10:56
sagaciso how do we go about getting some consensus for the defaults if no one is contributing?10:57
head_victimObviously if no one is objecting you're doing it perfectly to suit their needs :)10:57
sagaciobviously no one would mind a default www.justinbieber.com.au10:58
sagaciin their firefox bookmarks10:58
head_victimSpeaking of justin beiber, good evening bejames 11:01
bejamesHey!?11:02
head_victimYou're the team pretty boy? I'm trying to make a tenuous link here.11:02
bejamesVery tenuous.  You need glasses11:03
head_victimI've actaully gotten some since we last caught up.11:03
head_victimYou have any ideas how we can scrounge up $500 for the installation festival?11:04
bejamesUrrr no11:04
head_victimEveryone I can think of want details before handing over cash, but no one in the team seems interested in working out the details until we're sure it will go ahead :P11:05
sagacihead_victim: what do you think about this string https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/cups/+pots/cups/en_AU/+translate?show=new_suggestions11:07
bejamesThere must be another way to do this. Other teams seem to be able to pull this off without cost11:07
head_victimbejames: yeah the issue is finding a half decent venue to get enough publicity to get enouh people going11:08
head_victimsagaci: looks fine from here, printers do have waste bins :)11:08
bejameshead_victim: And the key requirement is Power / Internet accesss?11:09
head_victimbejames: open to suggestions of free ones that we can use that will get people to :)11:09
head_victimbejames: that and publically accessible (interacting with the general public, not just people who are already involved in linux)11:10
head_victimInternet isn't a major thing either, we can probably do without that11:10
bejameshead_victim: have BCC libraries been looked at?11:10
head_victimI had assumed they'd have the same cost as the edge is a part of the state library. I guess we should confirm that or not11:11
xannenYes, go BCC library and teach elderly ubuntu linux.  :D11:12
bejamesFree for community group if Im reading this correctly http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/facilities-recreation/libraries/hiring-library-meeting-rooms/index.htm#211:14
head_victimbejames: looks right, what in that list would be most publically accessible, somwhere like Brisbane Square? Or Carindale/Chermside/Indooroopilly/Garden City type places?11:17
head_victimI gotta run, want to send an email to the list to see what the feedback is like?11:18
bejameshead_victim:  bye11:18
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gggsevening all12:40
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