=== head_v is now known as head_victim [10:01] https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-au/+junk/iso-l10n -- basic outline of ubuntu-defaults package, just added some bookmarks, languages and default launchers. [10:02] by no means anything official but should build with the ubuntu-defaults-image but I wouldn't recommend it since it's obviously not the finished product [10:03] Aren't the canonical people working towards doing half the work for this sort of thing? I'm not sure how it all fits together but I thought this was the stuff they were offering to do for us. [10:03] Hi again. [10:04] Gday xannen [10:05] head_victim, what, figure out the requirements of each and every locale in existence [10:05] sagaci: or is that the sort of thing we needed to provide to get them to build it? [10:06] from what I gather, they've made the tools, we fill in the blanks and we can use their build system or live-build [10:06] Ah ok, don't mind me, I'm a little slow on the uptake on the technical aspects of things like this [10:06] I still have issues with 11.10. :( I'm on windows 7 now. LOL [10:07] xannen: what sort of issues? [10:08] Mainly graphics for now. After a while, I get graphics lag. And still have unity dash appearing on wrong screen for dual monitor. [10:08] xannen: both of those seem like video driver issues to me. [10:08] nvidia or ati? [10:08] Nvidia. [10:09] I didn't have these issues on 11.04. [10:09] Firstly, open up the nvidia control panel and make sure the monitor you want set on the LHS is the primary monitor [10:09] Soudns like it's swapped the primary monitor around [10:11] In 11.04, I had my primary monitor on the RHS, and unity dash appeared on that monitor -- as I liked it. With 11.10, it worked in reverse. This is filed as a bugged and not yet fixed. But that's just me. Also there was openjdk issue with versioning and dependency. [10:12] Ah well, back up and reinstall 11.04 [10:12] ? [10:12] Yeah, I guess. [10:12] I assume you've already tried all the different video drivers available? [10:13] Yep. LOL. From recommended and ppa. [10:13] And nouveau? [10:13] By the way, how's the progress with "ubuntu hour"? [10:13] Poorly [10:14] I tried to installed nouveau but the process is more complicated and stuffed it up. :S [10:14] The process is simply deactivating the nvidia drivers as far as I know. [10:16] Oddly, in 11.10, in the "install additional driver", nouveau was not offer. It only showed proprietary. :S Which is oddly with linux open source philosophy. [10:17] That's because nouveau isn't an additional driver. If you deactivate the nvidia one it defaults to nouveau. [10:17] Ah... Okay. Whatever happened to the option to use opensource nvidia driver then? o.O [10:17] nouveau IS the open source nvidia driver [10:19] Ah... okay... I'm sorry, I am confused with these changes in settings (i.e. explicitly stating whether open source is used or not). [10:19] And I didn't know these information (i.e. if no proprietary gpu driver is specified, open source is used, if available.) [10:22] No idea if the nouveau driver will do 3d though. I haven't used it in years. [10:25] It was a bad timing for me because when I bought my comp earlier this year, I only had windows use in mind. A few months down the track, I decided to try out ubuntu. If I know this, I would have bought "open source supported" hardware, e.g. intel or ati gpu, etc... [10:29] I've always recommended nvidia for Ubuntu use personally. Been using them for 5 years without a hitch. [10:29] Never once had an issue. [10:30] i was the same with ati up until 11.04 [10:30] I've never used ATI since I spent a month trying to get my 9600 to do 3d. [10:31] Been with Nvidia ever since and used the proprietary drivers ever since. I know the purist hate that but it just works for me. [10:32] Haha... [10:34] I was using ati before I my nvidia and wanted to try out nvidia. No problems on windows, obviously from better support. I discovered intel gpu has open source support better than other gpu. So in future I will consider intel. [10:34] Intel have had their problems as well. But also, intel don't make stand alone GPUs. Therefore their performance is heaps lower than ati and nvidia. [10:35] I hope intel will offer better gpu and/or other gpu release their driver codes as open source. :D [10:36] Intel only do integrated video. These will never rival standalone video cards for performance. [10:37] Do you have recommendation for touch screen laptop? [10:38] Not really, never had a need for one so never spent time looking into them. [10:38] Maybe ask on the mailing list for more ideas. [10:39] Okay. [10:39] sagaci: had a look over that stuff. Looking good mate. Sorry I didn't get it before. [10:40] Anyone else giving you any feedback on the brainstorming? [10:41] I think I've made it available enough, with the blueprint and pad, anyone can add/suggest so it's just a case of people actually contributing [10:41] Yeah that's what I was wondering, if anyone was actually contributing. [10:41] I'm finding it hard drumming up support for events and stuff as well so wondering how it was going for you [10:42] not really so far but can't let that slow it down, I can't really make it any more accessible as it is [10:43] as long as you're set up for ubuntu development/lp/ssh/bzr, it's super easy to get it and fiddle around with the settings and recommit [10:44] I'm not sure I'll ever be set up for dev but I've tried to help with the brainstorming and ideas part. [10:44] I'm no good with technical stuff. [10:50] it's a lot of trial and error, more error... fix one error and you get two more [10:53] Finding the time is the killer. [10:55] head_victim: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Oneiric/LocalizedCDImageTools#Rationale -- that's where I got the "locos in control of the customisations" [10:56] Yeah, it does sound like a really good project. [10:56] And provides enough info to get your teeth into it [10:57] so how do we go about getting some consensus for the defaults if no one is contributing? [10:57] Obviously if no one is objecting you're doing it perfectly to suit their needs :) [10:58] obviously no one would mind a default www.justinbieber.com.au [10:58] in their firefox bookmarks [11:01] Speaking of justin beiber, good evening bejames [11:02] Hey!? [11:02] You're the team pretty boy? I'm trying to make a tenuous link here. [11:03] Very tenuous. You need glasses [11:03] I've actaully gotten some since we last caught up. [11:04] You have any ideas how we can scrounge up $500 for the installation festival? [11:04] Urrr no [11:05] Everyone I can think of want details before handing over cash, but no one in the team seems interested in working out the details until we're sure it will go ahead :P [11:07] head_victim: what do you think about this string https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/cups/+pots/cups/en_AU/+translate?show=new_suggestions [11:07] There must be another way to do this. Other teams seem to be able to pull this off without cost [11:08] bejames: yeah the issue is finding a half decent venue to get enough publicity to get enouh people going [11:08] sagaci: looks fine from here, printers do have waste bins :) [11:09] head_victim: And the key requirement is Power / Internet accesss? [11:09] bejames: open to suggestions of free ones that we can use that will get people to :) [11:10] bejames: that and publically accessible (interacting with the general public, not just people who are already involved in linux) [11:10] Internet isn't a major thing either, we can probably do without that [11:10] head_victim: have BCC libraries been looked at? [11:11] I had assumed they'd have the same cost as the edge is a part of the state library. I guess we should confirm that or not [11:12] Yes, go BCC library and teach elderly ubuntu linux. :D [11:14] Free for community group if Im reading this correctly http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/facilities-recreation/libraries/hiring-library-meeting-rooms/index.htm#2 [11:17] bejames: looks right, what in that list would be most publically accessible, somwhere like Brisbane Square? Or Carindale/Chermside/Indooroopilly/Garden City type places? [11:18] I gotta run, want to send an email to the list to see what the feedback is like? [11:18] head_victim: bye === croppa_ is now known as croppa [12:40] evening all [12:40] hi