[10:01] <sagaci> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-au/+junk/iso-l10n -- basic outline of ubuntu-defaults package, just added some bookmarks, languages and default launchers.
[10:02] <sagaci> by no means anything official but should build with the ubuntu-defaults-image but I wouldn't recommend it since it's obviously not the finished product
[10:03] <head_victim> Aren't the canonical people working towards doing half the work for this sort of thing? I'm not sure how it all fits together but I thought this was the stuff they were offering to do for us.
[10:03] <xannen> Hi again.
[10:04] <head_victim> Gday xannen 
[10:05] <sagaci> head_victim, what, figure out the requirements of each and every locale in existence
[10:05] <head_victim> sagaci: or is that the sort of thing we needed to provide to get them to build it?
[10:06] <sagaci> from what I gather, they've made the tools, we fill in the blanks and we can use their build system or live-build
[10:06] <head_victim> Ah ok,  don't mind me, I'm a little slow on the uptake on the technical aspects of things like this
[10:06] <xannen> I still have issues with 11.10.  :(  I'm on windows 7 now.  LOL
[10:07] <head_victim> xannen: what sort of issues?
[10:08] <xannen> Mainly graphics for now.  After a while, I get graphics lag.  And still have unity dash appearing on wrong screen for dual monitor.
[10:08] <head_victim> xannen: both of those seem like video driver issues to me.
[10:08] <head_victim> nvidia or ati?
[10:08] <xannen> Nvidia.
[10:09] <xannen> I didn't have these issues on 11.04.
[10:09] <head_victim> Firstly, open up the nvidia control panel and make sure the monitor you want set on the LHS is the primary monitor
[10:09] <head_victim> Soudns like it's swapped the primary monitor around
[10:11] <xannen> In 11.04, I had my primary monitor on the RHS, and unity dash appeared on that monitor -- as I liked it.  With 11.10, it worked in reverse.  This is filed as a bugged and not yet fixed.  But that's just me.  Also there was openjdk issue with versioning and dependency.
[10:12] <head_victim> Ah well, back up and reinstall 11.04
[10:12] <head_victim> ?
[10:12] <xannen> Yeah, I guess.
[10:12] <head_victim> I assume you've already tried all the different video drivers available?
[10:13] <xannen> Yep.  LOL.  From recommended and ppa.
[10:13] <head_victim> And nouveau?
[10:13] <xannen> By the way, how's the progress with "ubuntu hour"?
[10:13] <head_victim> Poorly
[10:14] <xannen> I tried to installed nouveau but the process is more complicated and stuffed it up.  :S
[10:14] <head_victim> The process is simply deactivating the nvidia drivers as far as I know.
[10:16] <xannen> Oddly, in 11.10, in the "install additional driver", nouveau was not offer.  It only showed proprietary.  :S  Which is oddly with linux open source philosophy.
[10:17] <head_victim> That's because nouveau isn't an additional driver. If you deactivate the nvidia one it defaults to nouveau.
[10:17] <xannen> Ah...  Okay.  Whatever happened to the option to use opensource nvidia driver then?  o.O
[10:17] <head_victim> nouveau IS the open source nvidia driver
[10:19] <xannen> Ah... okay...  I'm sorry, I am confused with these changes in settings (i.e. explicitly stating whether open source is used or not).
[10:19] <xannen> And I didn't know these information (i.e. if no proprietary gpu driver is specified, open source is used, if available.)
[10:22] <head_victim> No idea if the nouveau driver will do 3d though. I haven't used it in years.
[10:25] <xannen> It was a bad timing for me because when I bought my comp earlier this year, I only had windows use in mind.  A few months down the track, I decided to try out ubuntu.  If I know this, I would have bought "open source supported" hardware, e.g. intel or ati gpu, etc...
[10:29] <head_victim> I've always recommended nvidia for Ubuntu use personally. Been using them for 5 years without a hitch.
[10:29] <head_victim> Never once had an issue.
[10:30] <ikt> i was the same with ati up until 11.04
[10:30] <head_victim> I've never used ATI since I spent a month trying to get my 9600 to do 3d.
[10:31] <head_victim> Been with Nvidia ever since and used the proprietary drivers ever since. I know the purist hate that but it just works for me.
[10:32] <xannen> Haha...
[10:34] <xannen> I was using ati before I my nvidia and wanted to try out nvidia.  No problems on windows, obviously from better support.  I discovered intel gpu has open source support better than other gpu.  So in future I will consider intel.
[10:34] <head_victim> Intel have had their problems as well. But also, intel don't make stand alone GPUs. Therefore their performance is heaps lower than ati and nvidia.
[10:35] <xannen> I hope intel will offer better gpu and/or other gpu release their driver codes as open source. :D
[10:36] <head_victim> Intel only do integrated video. These will never rival standalone video cards for performance.
[10:37] <xannen> Do you have recommendation for touch screen laptop?
[10:38] <head_victim> Not really, never had a need for one so never spent time looking into them.
[10:38] <head_victim> Maybe ask on the mailing list for more ideas.
[10:39] <xannen> Okay.
[10:39] <head_victim> sagaci: had a look over that stuff. Looking good mate. Sorry I didn't get it before.
[10:40] <head_victim> Anyone else giving you any feedback on the brainstorming?
[10:41] <sagaci> I think I've made it available enough, with the blueprint and pad, anyone can add/suggest so it's just a case of people actually contributing
[10:41] <head_victim> Yeah that's what I was wondering, if anyone was actually contributing.
[10:41] <head_victim> I'm finding it hard drumming up support for events and stuff as well so wondering how it was going for you
[10:42] <sagaci> not really so far but can't let that slow it down, I can't really make it any more accessible as it is
[10:43] <sagaci> as long as you're set up for ubuntu development/lp/ssh/bzr, it's super easy to get it and fiddle around with the settings and recommit
[10:44] <head_victim> I'm not sure I'll ever be set up for dev but I've tried to help with the brainstorming and ideas part.
[10:44] <head_victim> I'm no good with technical stuff.
[10:50] <sagaci> it's a lot of trial and error, more error... fix one error and you get two more
[10:53] <head_victim> Finding the time is the killer.
[10:55] <sagaci> head_victim: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Oneiric/LocalizedCDImageTools#Rationale -- that's where I got the "locos in control of the customisations"
[10:56] <head_victim> Yeah, it does sound like a really good project.
[10:56] <head_victim> And provides enough info to get your teeth into it
[10:57] <sagaci> so how do we go about getting some consensus for the defaults if no one is contributing?
[10:57] <head_victim> Obviously if no one is objecting you're doing it perfectly to suit their needs :)
[10:58] <sagaci> obviously no one would mind a default www.justinbieber.com.au
[10:58] <sagaci> in their firefox bookmarks
[11:01] <head_victim> Speaking of justin beiber, good evening bejames 
[11:02] <bejames> Hey!?
[11:02] <head_victim> You're the team pretty boy? I'm trying to make a tenuous link here.
[11:03] <bejames> Very tenuous.  You need glasses
[11:03] <head_victim> I've actaully gotten some since we last caught up.
[11:04] <head_victim> You have any ideas how we can scrounge up $500 for the installation festival?
[11:04] <bejames> Urrr no
[11:05] <head_victim> Everyone I can think of want details before handing over cash, but no one in the team seems interested in working out the details until we're sure it will go ahead :P
[11:07] <sagaci> head_victim: what do you think about this string https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/cups/+pots/cups/en_AU/+translate?show=new_suggestions
[11:07] <bejames> There must be another way to do this. Other teams seem to be able to pull this off without cost
[11:08] <head_victim> bejames: yeah the issue is finding a half decent venue to get enough publicity to get enouh people going
[11:08] <head_victim> sagaci: looks fine from here, printers do have waste bins :)
[11:09] <bejames> head_victim: And the key requirement is Power / Internet accesss?
[11:09] <head_victim> bejames: open to suggestions of free ones that we can use that will get people to :)
[11:10] <head_victim> bejames: that and publically accessible (interacting with the general public, not just people who are already involved in linux)
[11:10] <head_victim> Internet isn't a major thing either, we can probably do without that
[11:10] <bejames> head_victim: have BCC libraries been looked at?
[11:11] <head_victim> I had assumed they'd have the same cost as the edge is a part of the state library. I guess we should confirm that or not
[11:12] <xannen> Yes, go BCC library and teach elderly ubuntu linux.  :D
[11:14] <bejames> Free for community group if Im reading this correctly http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/facilities-recreation/libraries/hiring-library-meeting-rooms/index.htm#2
[11:17] <head_victim> bejames: looks right, what in that list would be most publically accessible, somwhere like Brisbane Square? Or Carindale/Chermside/Indooroopilly/Garden City type places?
[11:18] <head_victim> I gotta run, want to send an email to the list to see what the feedback is like?
[11:18] <bejames> head_victim:  bye
[12:40] <gggs> evening all
[12:40] <sagaci> hi