[00:24] <Pendulum> o/
[00:25]  * czajkowski hugs Pendulum 
[00:25] <Pendulum> czajkowski: until you have to leave we can be all-nighter buddies :P
[00:26] <czajkowski> yeah this is killing me
[00:26] <czajkowski> I also have to label the images
[00:26] <czajkowski> and repeated Fig 23 a few times
[00:26] <czajkowski> so had to go back and renumber
[00:26] <czajkowski> shoot me now please
[00:27] <Pendulum> *hugs*
[00:27] <czajkowski> Page 36
[00:28] <czajkowski> never ever doing favours again
[00:28] <czajkowski> this is taking the mickey mouse
[00:31] <Pendulum> let me know if there's anything I can do to help!
[00:31] <Pendulum> I should be good for another few hours at least before the brain shuts down
[00:34] <czajkowski> going keep at it at least for another hr before I mayeb get some shut eye
[00:34] <czajkowski> fecking screen captures take so long
[00:37] <mhall119> czajkowski: is it something you can automate?
[00:38] <czajkowski> NO
[00:38] <czajkowski> :(
[00:38] <czajkowski> take a website
[00:38] <czajkowski> and one that has 14 sub headings
[00:38] <czajkowski> each with multuple sub headings
[00:38] <czajkowski> taking a screen capture of each of these and explaining them
[00:38] <czajkowski> and what they do and mean by clicking on things
[00:38] <czajkowski> adding items
[00:38] <czajkowski> removing them etc
[00:39] <czajkowski> so a person can follow if they are not online
[00:39] <czajkowski> or follow at a session
[00:39] <mhall119> ew
[01:38] <duanedesign> Pendulum1: how is the weather?
[02:58] <mhall119> duanedesign: last I heard, not so great
[03:02] <nigelb> mhall119: hey
[03:02] <nigelb> want to push your last change in before UDS?
[03:03] <cjohnston> nigelb: did you make the header changes?
[03:04] <nigelb> cjohnston: yeah
[03:04] <nigelb> mhall119 approved it earlier
[03:04] <nigelb> I'm wondering whether to approve mhall119's branch now or later.
[03:04] <nigelb> Can you take a look?
[03:04] <nigelb> I just woke up and I don't think I'm ready to review yet :)
[03:04] <cjohnston> i ned to go.. gotta work on homework.. due in 40 inutes
[03:04] <cjohnston> minutes
[03:04] <cjohnston> i dont see the change landing though.. to the header
[03:05] <nigelb> ugh
[03:07] <nigelb> cjohnston: It should land now.
[03:09] <duanedesign> 'lo nigelb
[03:09] <nigelb> hey duanedesign
[03:12] <duanedesign> nigelb: hope you are well
[03:14] <nigelb> duanedesign: Yeah, pretty good!
[03:14] <duanedesign> :)
[03:16] <duanedesign> nigelb: my neighbors house just got broken into. Noe I am going to be worried about leaving town in the morning :\
[03:16] <duanedesign> s/Noe/Now
[03:16] <nigelb> Ouch
[03:26] <duanedesign> i am trying to find a book to read on my flight
[03:27] <nigelb> How long is the flight?
[03:27] <nigelb> You may need book*s*
[03:27] <Pendulum> duanedesign: just don't make it about snow. I might smack anyone who talks about snow in a positive light any time soon ;)
[03:28] <duanedesign> Pendulum: :\
[03:28] <nigelb> hey, the pictues of snow were prett :D
[03:28] <nigelb> *pretty
[03:28]  * nigelb is glad he's not goign to be in smacking distance anytime soon.
[03:28] <duanedesign> Pendulum: your flight did ont make it?
[03:28] <duanedesign> Pendulum: do they know when they might be able to get you out?
[03:30] <Pendulum> duanedesign they might get me out tomorrow afternoon. Depends on things clearing up enough to get power back in wherever they have things like the de-icing machines
[03:30] <Pendulum> I think I have a decent chance
[03:30] <Pendulum> but I'm sleeping in the airport tonight
[03:31] <Pendulum> if I decide it's safe to sleep
[03:33] <Pendulum> (not worried about things happening to me, but am worried about my stuff disappearing)
[03:36] <pleia2> loco council people: submitted a ticket for lococouncil.ubuntu.com being down for 8+ hours (8 hours ago is when someone in -news noticed it), blog.ubuntu-women.org is down too
[03:36] <pleia2> cc:ed the council list, but it's moderated
[03:54] <Pendulum> ooh, I qualify for a cot!
[04:05] <nigelb> \o/
[05:27]  * fenris-travel pokes czajkowski 
[05:27] <fenris-travel> hi head_victim
[05:28] <fenris-travel> nigelb: will u present at mozillacamp asia ?
[05:29] <head_victim> Gday fenris-travel
[05:29] <nigelb> ejat-: Hopefully! My tickets aren't booked yet.
[05:29] <nigelb> 3 weeks to go, hopefully, there's enough time :)
[05:29] <nigelb> ejat-: Where are you now? Halfway across the globe? ;0
[05:29] <nigelb> ;)
[05:29] <ejat-> waiting my nxt flight to orlando
[05:30] <nigelb> Paris? Frankfurt? London? New York?
[05:30] <ejat-> ouch ... what a long travel....
[05:30] <ejat-> frankfurt
[05:30] <nigelb> aha
[05:30] <ejat-> at the kiosk right now
[05:30] <nigelb> You should have at least one person onto Orlando ;)
[05:30] <ejat-> waiting another 6 hours for the next flight
[05:30] <nigelb> hah
[05:30] <ejat-> travelling alone ...
[05:31] <nigelb> Are you wearing an ubuntu T-shirt?
[05:31] <nigelb> I'm fairly sure there's people from Asia connecting via Frankfurt :)
[05:31] <ejat-> not yet ...
[05:31] <nigelb> I met people headed to UDS on my last connection in europe
[05:35] <ejat-> looking for public wifi here ... im at the kiosk
[05:35] <ejat-> will meet u at KL nigelb
[05:39] <ejat-> i guess there already people arrive at the uds right .. seem like someone post in uds-announce for playing tennis
[05:40] <czajkowski> morning
[05:40] <czajkowski> only i would wake up 2 hrs before i need to and without a flipping alarm
[05:42] <ejat-> morning czajkowski
[05:42] <czajkowski> pleia2: thanks
[05:42] <czajkowski> ejat-: hi
[05:43] <ejat-> u already at uds?
[05:43] <czajkowski> nope
[05:43] <czajkowski> leaving shortly for airport
[05:44] <ejat-> owh okie ... c u this evening ...
[05:44] <czajkowski> ok but only if you stop sms writing :)
[05:44] <czajkowski> please
[05:44] <czajkowski> :)
[05:44] <czajkowski> safe travels
[05:45] <ejat-> sms ?
[05:45]  * ejat- blurr ... maybe jetlag 
[05:47] <czajkowski> bye
[05:48] <ejat-> bye ... take care too
[09:34] <Pendulum> morning
[09:53] <czajkowski> pen hi
[09:54] <czajkowski> how are things looking today
[10:17] <Pendulum> right, let's try this internet thing again...
[20:52]  * pendulum waves from inflight
[20:52] <pendulum> finally ;-)
[20:52] <nigelb> yay
[20:52] <popey> yay
[20:52]  * popey checked in online, hopefully I have a decent seat ⍨
[20:53] <nigelb> You start tomorrow morning?
[20:53] <popey> yeah
[20:53] <popey> but I'll be in flight for my work day :D
[20:53] <nigelb> hah
[20:53] <nigelb> Nice start
[20:54] <AlanBell> pendulum: yay
[20:54] <AlanBell> inflight internets, that is cool
[20:54] <nigelb> First day of work - [*] Flew over Atlantic.
[20:56] <pendulum> at least orlando has power. there's a good chance there won't be any still when I get home
[20:56] <popey> erk
[20:56] <AlanBell> the blackout maps look huge
[21:00] <pendulum> 100% of my town was out and we are not big or important and do not have a hospital or anything
[21:01] <pendulum> and we have lots of trees :(
[21:01] <pendulum> but at least the snow will be melted by the time I get back
[21:02] <popey> wont that screw with food in your freezer?
[21:02] <popey> (which is I appreciate a minor issue in the grand scheme of things)
[21:02] <pendulum> yeah, i expect growth in fridge and freezer
[21:03] <popey> ⍨
[21:03] <pangolin> the freezer should stay cold enough to hold the meat for at least 24 hours, if the power is out longer then that....
[21:04] <pendulum> my parents are in Europe and I plan on doing my best to find out what they want me to do
[21:04] <popey> do you have neighbours with a key?
[21:04] <pendulum> power went out more than 24 hours ago
[21:04] <popey> blimey
[21:04] <popey> thats proper snow
[21:04] <popey> we never get that
[21:04] <pangolin> well, you might want to just toss that food out when you get home
[21:04] <pendulum> yeah, but not sure if I can reach them.
[21:05] <popey> they dont use irc?!
[21:05] <pendulum> no power :p
[21:07] <pendulum> normally this amount of snow would, be fine, but it is too early, too wet of a snoe, and too many trees still have loads of leaves
[21:07] <popey> oh, causes trees to fall?
[21:07] <popey> gotcha
[21:07] <pendulum> I really hope no branches came down on my car
[21:10] <pendulum> I was talking to another person from my town on my flight, who had driven to the airport today and it really sounds worse than most places
[21:12] <pendulum> I really want to reach my parents, but they have made it difficult for me!
[21:14] <pendulum> but at least for the next few days I get a real bed, hot food, and hot showers!
[21:15] <popey> :D
[21:15] <popey> and bacon with syrup
[21:15] <popey> I am willing to try this 'delicacy' again
[21:15] <pendulum> wow
[21:15] <AlanBell> that needs to be photographed
[21:16] <popey> hah
[21:16] <pangolin> popey: you need to use real Maple syrup
[21:16] <pendulum> pangolin: he did last time
[21:16] <pangolin> good :)
[21:17] <nigelb> Canada's gift to UDS? maple syrup?
[21:17] <popey> I am wiling to embrace the culture whilst there
[21:17] <popey> (I am bringing curly wurlys with me)
[21:17] <AlanBell> oh, do get czajkowski to tell everyone how to say that :)
[21:17] <nigelb> what's a curly wurly?
[21:17] <pangolin> don't know what curly wurlys are
[21:18] <AlanBell> thin layer of chocolate disguising a latice of tooth extracting toffee
[21:18] <nigelb> lol
[21:18] <pangolin> sounds evil
[21:19] <pendulum> nigelb: nonsense, best maple syrup is from Vermont
[21:19] <pangolin> LIES
[21:19] <nigelb> pendulum: lol.
[21:19] <pangolin> the best is from Quebec
[21:19] <cjohnston> popey: it really is good.. ;-) I know you didn't like it in Belgium.. but its good
[21:20] <pendulum> pangolin: curly wurlys are evil. but it is best to get czajkowski to say the name in front of jono
[21:20] <nigelb> What happens?
[21:20] <nigelb> Does jono explode? :)
[21:20] <pangolin> differing accents? war starts?
[21:21] <pendulum> ni, just gets very excited and tries to copy her accent ( he seems to have a fondness for curly wurlys)
[21:22] <pangolin> I so wish I could be there with you folks
[21:23] <pangolin> I would like to try some curly wurlys
[21:23] <pangolin> heh, I want to be there so I can try candy, not for anything Ubuntu related
[21:23] <pangolin> lol
[21:23] <popey>  http://twitter.com/#!/popey/status/130756682841206784/photo/1
[21:23] <popey> ^^ curly wurly
[21:23] <pendulum> hah
[21:24] <pangolin> now I need to sign in to see the media, this means I need to remember my login.
[21:24] <pangolin> I'll google it instead
[21:25] <pangolin> oh, never mind.
[21:26] <AlanBell> official olympic curly wurlys
[21:26] <AlanBell> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curly_Wurly <- including the contents
[21:26] <pendulum> I wonder if I should email Marianna to let her know my arrival status. As far as she knows I got in last night
[21:33] <popey> so tempted to eat one of these curly wurlys
[22:08] <AlanBell> bkerensa: did anyone try a 64bit iso on the UEFI machine that won't boot?
[22:28] <czajkowski> lo
[22:28] <czajkowski> wheres pen
[22:28] <czajkowski> i found a daviey
[22:29] <pleia2> maybe still on a plane
[22:29] <pleia2> she was on plane wifi an hour ago
[22:29] <czajkowski> wo.dering is she far behind or di i head to hotel
[22:30] <nigelb> probably needs at least another hour at the least.
[22:30] <czajkowski> hmm ok
[22:31] <czajkowski> am gonna head ti hotel
[22:31] <nigelb> on a phone?
[22:31] <czajkowski> bus/cab
[22:32] <czajkowski> lyz can u sms pen so she knows when she lands
[22:32] <czajkowski> please
[22:32] <pleia2> czajkowski: I don't have her number, but I saw maco downstairs earlier so I should head down
[22:32] <pleia2> she probably has it
[22:32] <czajkowski> ok
[22:32]  * nigelb can sms
[22:33] <czajkowski> nigel if u eouldnt mind
[22:33]  * pleia2 just got in, was changing from in-disney-park-all-day clothes ;)
[22:33] <nigelb> czajkowski: sure, doing that
[22:33] <czajkowski> yay fir free wifi
[22:33] <czajkowski> bye
[22:33] <pleia2> see you soon!
[22:34] <nigelb> hey pleia2
[22:34] <nigelb> I was about to ask about maco :P
[22:35] <AlanBell> czajkowski: 18:55
[22:35] <pleia2> ah, that's only 20 minutes!
[22:35] <nigelb> wha
[22:35] <nigelb> gah
[22:35] <nigelb> sorry for the wrong info!
[22:35]  * nigelb should just sleep
[22:36]  * pleia2 heads down to find people, else will fall asleep
[22:36] <nigelb> heh
[22:36] <nigelb> pleia2: Today's probably the only day you can sleep :P
[22:45] <pleia2> nigelb: heh, yeah, I can't actually find anyone anyway
[22:45] <nigelb> pleia2: There's a Canonical plenary thing
[22:45] <nigelb> I think most Canonifolk are there.
[22:45] <nigelb> Oh right. It was there last time as well. an employee only meeting thing the night before.
[22:46] <pleia2> yeah, which is why we talked about doing a community thing too so we didn't all feel so lost
[22:46] <nigelb> heh
[22:47] <pleia2> I will just wait for czajkowski and maybe lurking here I will find someone else too
[22:47] <nigelb> :)
[22:47] <AlanBell> pleia2: I sent czajkowski a text so she might wait for pen
[22:47] <nigelb> AlanBell: Thanks for fixing that :)
[22:47] <AlanBell> hope I did :)
[22:47]  * nigelb hopes her phone is on.
[22:48] <pleia2> ah ok
[22:51] <AlanBell> about an hour from landing to emerging
[22:55] <pleia2> yay, found Darkwing, now not alone anymore :)
[22:55] <AlanBell> and pendulum has landed and is taxiing to the gate
[22:55] <nigelb> \o/
[22:55] <AlanBell> modern technology is fab :)
[22:55] <nigelb> AlanBell: texted her? :)
[22:56] <nigelb> ha
[22:56] <nigelb> Just got a reply from Pen :)
[22:56] <AlanBell> don't have pen's number, not very useful means of communication
[22:56] <AlanBell> and czajkowski got a cab
[22:56] <nigelb> ah
[22:56] <nigelb> flight status, right!
[23:22] <popey> bought a USA map for my tomtom
[23:22] <popey> it refuses to download
[23:22] <popey> I hate tomtom
[23:22] <popey> last time I updated the device it deleted all my fave destinations
[23:22] <popey> this is the final straw. I am either going to bin it or find some other non-tomtom software to invalidate it
[23:23] <pleia2> people still use tomtoms?
[23:23] <czajkowski> peeka boo
[23:23] <AlanBell> at the hotel?
[23:24] <popey> pleia2: offline map
[23:24] <AlanBell> data roaming for google maps is $$$$$$$
[23:24] <pleia2> popey: ah :)
[23:24] <popey> i have no 3g data plan in the usa so if i use the map on my phone it will kill me financially
[23:24] <czajkowski> AlanBell: aye
[23:24] <pleia2> if you have an android there are apps for map caching
[23:24] <pleia2> czajkowski: welcome!
[23:24] <czajkowski> I got wheel chair aissatance this side wiht my back
[23:24] <popey> i dont have android, but there is an offline map for iphone
[23:24] <czajkowski> so cleared everything really fast
[23:24] <czajkowski> by passed davuey in a long queu
[23:24] <pleia2> hehe
[23:25] <czajkowski> waited another 40 mins and no show for him so left
[23:25] <czajkowski> just in hotel room same as last year
[23:25] <czajkowski> :D
[23:25] <pleia2> nice
[23:25] <czajkowski> we're over in the villas
[23:27] <pangolin> popey: you can claim it as a business expense
[23:27] <popey> from whom?
[23:27] <nigelb> survival!
[23:27] <pangolin> um, beats me
[23:27] <nigelb> popey: new emploer
[23:27] <popey> unlikely
[23:27] <nigelb> uhh, wait. I take pangolin's stand :P
[23:27] <nigelb> "beats me"
[23:28] <popey> useful help there thanks chaps!
[23:28] <nigelb> heh
[23:28] <pleia2> czajkowski: I'm over by the pool near the lobby, if you want to all meet at some point
[23:28] <czajkowski> cool need to freshen up
[23:28] <pangolin> popey: if you need, feel free to ping me and I can google map stuff you
[23:28] <czajkowski> am STARVING
[23:28] <pleia2> czajkowski: I am so hungry too!
[23:28] <pleia2> maybe we find food :)
[23:28] <popey> if i could ping you i would be online, if i was online i could google map stuff
[23:29] <pangolin> heh. I didn't think that through
[23:29] <czajkowski> pleia2: let me poke jon and let him know I've arrived
[23:29] <czajkowski> freshen u[ and over ok
[23:29] <czajkowski> need_food
[23:29] <czajkowski> <---- starving
[23:29] <pleia2> jon who? :)
[23:30] <pleia2> sounds good
[23:30] <popey> gonna be fun driving from the airport to the hotel
[23:30] <popey> looks an okay route
[23:30] <popey> toll road though?
[23:30] <pangolin> popey: iirc, no tolls
[23:32] <pangolin> hmm you know what you may want to get a couple dollars in quarters
[23:38] <AlanBell> night all o/
[23:38] <pleia2> night AlanBell
[23:39] <czajkowski> popey: 2 tolls
[23:39] <czajkowski> 1.25 each
[23:39] <popey> thanks
[23:39] <czajkowski> np
[23:39] <czajkowski> rught to the pool
[23:39] <czajkowski> pleia2: main one ?
[23:39] <czajkowski> pleia2: jon zee bf he does have a name :)
[23:39] <pleia2> czajkowski: oooh :)
[23:40] <pleia2> czajkowski: yeah, main one, there is a waterfall in the poo
[23:40] <popey> o_O
[23:40] <pleia2> pool
[23:40] <pleia2> heh
[23:40] <czajkowski> pleia2: do not move!
[23:40] <pleia2> ok :)
[23:41] <bkerensa> AlanBell: Not to my knowledge? I can ask the person to
[23:42] <popey> bkerensa: there is some skeptisism about the claims that the HP laptop has secure boot
[23:42] <popey> bkerensa: your blog post is doing the rounds on Google+ and people are making some assumptions
[23:42] <nigelb> hrm, people a continent away are going to bed.
[23:42] <nigelb> That should be cue for me to sleep.
[23:42] <pleia2> night nigelb
[23:42] <nigelb> Have fun pleia2 :)
[23:43] <bkerensa> popey: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-or/2011-October/000306.html
[23:43] <bkerensa> popey: He called HP and made it all the way to a L3 Enterprise Tech who advised UEFI was the problem
[23:43] <popey> Ubuntu supports EFI
[23:44] <popey> I have it installed on my MacBook Pro
[23:44] <bkerensa> popey: My blog post has been doing the rounds on Slashdot and Reddit front page too :P
[23:44] <popey> if you use the right cd
[23:44] <popey> yeah, I think your friend is incorrect, it's not secure boot
[23:44]  * bkerensa is well aware :D and kind disappointed it got shared so much :P
[23:44] <popey> UEFI != secure boot
[23:44] <bkerensa> popey: I will check with him again... He ran 11.10 (Kubuntu) which supports Grub2
[23:45] <popey> get him to try a 64-bit CD
[23:45] <popey> it's not tested that well, he may well be encountering an ubuntu bug
[23:45] <popey> not a dodgy firmware
[23:45] <bkerensa> last e-mail he sent me he said he was filing a complaint with Oregon's Attorney General Consumer Protection Division
[23:45] <bkerensa> kk
[23:45] <popey> oh jeez
[23:45] <popey> he might want to do some testing first
[23:48] <bkerensa> lol
[23:48] <bkerensa> popey: Well according to him HP themselves confirmed it was UEFI
[23:49] <bkerensa> but did not have a solution for him
[23:49] <popey> UEFI does not mean Secure Boot
[23:49] <popey> you are mixing two things up
[23:49] <popey> or rather he is
[23:49] <popey> or rather his friend is
[23:50] <bkerensa> http://benjaminkerensa.com/2011/10/23/uefi-headaches-begin-linux/
[23:50]  * bkerensa never mentioned Secure Boot and neither did he in his e-mails to the list?
[23:50] <bkerensa> :D
[23:50] <bkerensa> other people dropped secure boot into the discussion
[23:50] <bkerensa> :)
[23:50] <popey> *sigh*
[23:50] <popey> I give up
[23:51] <bkerensa> popey: Sorry :P
[23:53] <popey> bkerensa: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2011-October/031842.html
[23:53] <popey> Colin kinda knows what he's talking about
[23:56] <bkerensa> popey: http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/ln21o/uefi_headaches_begin_for_linux_users/c2u1i2g
[23:56] <popey> its not the alternate cd
[23:56] <bkerensa> My new laptop has UEFI but I installed 32bit and 64bit without any issues so idk
[23:58] <bkerensa> I just asked JVLB to try Alternate and 64bit and ping back to the list with results
[23:58] <popey> the 64-bit live cd should be sufficient
[23:58] <popey> if it doesnt work then file a bug
[23:59] <popey> don't assume it's because the vendor has made some change to make it hard for linux
[23:59] <popey> it's almost certainly a bug