[05:34] <knightwise> morning
[05:48] <danfish> morning - kids don't understand the clocks going back :(
[05:49] <czajkowski> morning
[05:49] <czajkowski> I just wake early
[05:49] <czajkowski> most flipping annoying
[05:49] <czajkowski> as a kid I slept
[05:50] <czajkowski> right bye
[06:22] <MartijnVdS> danfish: It's not just kids :)
[06:23] <MartijnVdS> danfish: I just ignore the switch as much as possible ;)
[06:31] <MartijnVdS> time for a run
[06:43] <danfish> MartijnVdS: enjoy
[06:43] <danfish> all I can say is thank god for curious george
[06:44] <MartijnVdS> danfish: that makes them so sleepy..? :)
[06:52] <danfish> nah - a kids movie that I can wack on and have a few minutes sleep on the sofa myself :)
[07:41] <MartijnVdS> ah, surrogate parent ;)
[07:42] <daubers> Morning
[07:43] <MartijnVdS> morning
[08:01]  * daubers cleans the kitchen ready for bread making
[08:10]  * MartijnVdS orders photos
[08:11] <MartijnVdS> They have a Linux app(!) which installs in a custom dir in ~ using a Perl script
[08:11] <MartijnVdS> it's built with Qt
[08:11] <MartijnVdS> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kruidvat)
[08:13] <awilkins> Never knew that Superdrug was half-owned by Dutch people
[08:14] <awilkins> Buut, is now half-owned by Chinese people
[08:14] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: Shell, Unilever, :)
[08:25] <MartijnVdS> F1 in 5 minutes
[08:27] <daubers> woot, bread dough now rising
[08:28] <daubers> need to get some plain flour to make shortbread too
[08:39] <MartijnVdS> hm shortbread looks easy enough ;)
[08:43] <daubers> It's very easy! Just butter, flour and caster sugar
[08:44] <MartijnVdS> I have those
[08:44] <MartijnVdS> I also have sugar with some vanilla
[08:47] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:47] <KrimZon> hi
[08:47] <MartijnVdS> howdy KrimZon
[09:02] <KrimZon> I'm having some trouble with grub at the moment, if anyone can help - I started with ubuntu 10.04 dual booting with XP booting into ubuntu by default
[09:04] <Lcawte> Some of these make me :)/lol http://cafedegeek.com/1070/30-geeky-wallpapers/
[09:05] <KrimZon> then I installed 11.10 on the XP partition, and it boots to that by default, but I have to go into 11.10 in order to change boot configuration in startup manager
[09:05] <KrimZon> and when I try to change default, the offset ends up off by one
[09:05] <KrimZon> so I'd rather just want to edit it from 10.04 but don't know how
[09:29] <awilkins> KrimZon, In 11.10, you can control it more manually by editing /etc/default/grub and following the instructions at the top of the file
[09:30] <awilkins> KrimZon, The OS choices in their order are stored in /etc/grub.d/
[09:34] <KrimZon> thanks
[09:34] <KrimZon> would copying its configuration and doing the same in 10.04's grub config files work?
[09:35] <awilkins> KrimZon, Not sure about 10.04 .. the bootloader is outside the OS, so doing it correctly on any grub installed should work fine
[09:36] <awilkins> KrimZon, Having checked on my 10.04 VM, it seems to use the same config scheme
[09:47] <daubers> 8 pitta breads sat resting before being ovened
[09:51] <awilkins> MMm, fresh bread
[09:51] <awilkins> I am inspired to think about possibly maybe making some focaccia
[09:51] <daubers> focaccia is nommy
[09:51] <daubers> Been ages since I made some of that
[09:52] <awilkins> Picked up some tips from "great british bakeoff" that I'm keen to try
[09:52] <awilkins> Apparently I've not been making the dough wet enoug
[09:53] <awilkins> I thought the sloppy wetness was a mistake in the recipe I was using, or variance in the flour, so I adjusted it to make a more "bread like" dough
[09:53] <awilkins> But apparently it's what's supposed to happen
[10:03] <mar_33>  when I working in developing python program this error appear  UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 2-5: ordinal not in range(128)
[10:03] <mar_33>  any help??
[10:03] <AlanBell> mar_33: unicode is fun :)
[10:03] <mar_33> ???
[10:03] <AlanBell> where does your string come from?
[10:04] <mar_33> from wizard programmed by python
[10:04] <mar_33> when I wanna chose any thing this appear
[10:04] <MartijnVdS> mar_33: you need to distinguish between bytes and characters
[10:04] <mar_33> :(
[10:04] <AlanBell> http://farmdev.com/talks/unicode/
[10:04] <MartijnVdS> http://docs.python.org/howto/unicode.html
[10:05] <mar_33> thanks :)
[10:07] <KrimZon> hmm, I can't figure out what it's doing
[10:08] <KrimZon> I can't see it referring to partitions or uids anywhere
[10:08] <KrimZon> or where grub itself is installed to
[10:14] <mattt> morning morning
[10:25] <ali1234> hmmmmmmmmm
[10:26]  * Pendulum waves to Ubuntu UK from a very snowy Connecticut
[10:30] <MartijnVdS> \o
[10:31] <MartijnVdS> Snow? In October?
[10:31] <MartijnVdS> We're having summer weather on this side of the ocean
[10:36] <Pendulum> MartijnVdS: http://www.guardian.co.uk/weather/2011/oct/29/snow-storm-northeastern-united-states
[10:39] <Pendulum> I spent last night on a cot in an airport
[10:39] <Pendulum> which was surprisingly safer than my house because by the time my flight got cancelled, there'd been no power for 4 hours
[10:48] <mattt> Pendulum: you live out there?
[10:49] <Pendulum> mattt: yes. hang out here because most of my mates are in the UK :)
[10:51] <mattt> ah
[10:51]  * mattt misses the snow
[10:51] <mattt> <-- originally from toronto
[10:52] <Pendulum> I expect snow in December - March
[10:52] <Pendulum> maybe 1/2-1" in October or November
[10:52] <Pendulum> not 8+ inches
[10:52] <mattt> yeah
[10:52] <mattt> i don't think the trees are even prepared for that
[10:52] <Pendulum> I don't mind it when it's expected
[10:52] <Pendulum> yeah
[10:52] <mattt> probably why the power outages right?  :)
[10:52] <Pendulum> the town I'm live in has 100% outage
[10:53] <Pendulum> the town the airport I'm in has 99% outage
[10:53] <mattt> :(
[10:53] <mattt> jeez
[10:53] <mattt> anyway, gotta jet, good luck!
[10:53] <Pendulum> thanks!
[13:16] <daubers> Afternoon
[13:16] <mattt> yoez
[13:17] <Pendulum> hiya
[13:19]  * daubers is attempting to remember how to use Django
[13:22] <mattt> urls.py, views.py, models.py
[13:22] <mattt> or something
[13:22] <mattt> :P
[13:23] <shauno> mmm pie
[13:23] <daubers> mattt: Indeed :) pydev deals with all that. I just need to remember how to use it's methods :)
[13:25] <mattt> i've written one django site, but always need to refer to documentation when doing anything
[13:25] <mattt> don't program in python/django enough to know it off the top of my head :(
[13:29] <mattt> ugh, wifi in cafe is so slow :(
[13:35] <mattt> what's the easiest way to comment indented code in vim?
[13:35] <mattt> (while retaining indentation)
[13:42] <constrictor> any scala users here
[13:42]  * AlanBell is struggling with vala
[13:43] <daubers> mattt: I find the same with django. Use it infrequently enough to always need docs
[13:43] <AlanBell> can't seem to find how to do the equivalent of a python dictionary, like : partner = {'name': 'Fabien Pinckaers','lang': 'fr_FR'}
[13:43] <daubers> However, I have now written a simple http->matt bridge using django :)
[13:43] <daubers> s/matt/mqtt
[13:46] <mattt> mqtt?
[13:46] <mattt> AlanBell: not the slightest clue :(
[13:47] <MattJ> daubers, post-only, or?
[13:48] <MattJ> I need to finish my Lua MQTT library
[13:48] <MattJ> Ah nice: https://github.com/geekscape/mqtt_lua
[13:50] <MattJ> Now that's taken care of I need to not get distracted by all the things I was going to use it for
[13:52] <sadsun> good afternoon
[13:52] <SuprEngr> Dear England... catch up! Russia's got the right idea... Russia has not put its clocks back for winter this year, decided the country would stay permanently in summertime.
[13:54] <sadsun> funny... u guys wanna join the timezone, but not the euro currency
[13:54] <dutchie> AlanBell: https://live.gnome.org/Libgee will probably have something in it
[13:54] <daubers> MattJ: post-only at the moment
[13:54] <SuprEngr> sadsun, oooh... nasty!
[13:54] <SuprEngr> ;)
[13:54] <shauno> I don't want to join the the timezone.  I still don't see any benefit
[13:55] <daubers> MattJ: It's more to get around the fact that there is no mqtt library that works on the nanode :)
[13:55] <sadsun> it is easier if the uk joins the cet zone
[13:56] <daubers> sadsun: It won't happen. Scotland will veto it as the last time they tried something similar there was an increase in RTA's in Scotland
[13:56] <shauno> easier for what? people who can't count to one on their fingers?
[13:56] <sadsun> actually I dont understand why the whole world doesnt have just 1 timezone
[13:56] <daubers> (on a similar note, I'd veto it as it's dumb)
[13:56] <daubers> sadsun: It's to do with daylight
[13:57] <SuprEngr> I need daylight!
[13:57] <sadsun> nobody uses a sundial anymore
[13:57] <daubers> sadsun: Go dig up the swatch internet time thing
[13:57] <daubers> sadsun: No, but people expect daylight during daytime hours.
[13:58] <shauno> you'll always have some variation of timezones.  if you put the entire planet on UTC, you wouldn't find australia working 9-5.  So you'd still an offset for all practical purposes
[13:58] <MattJ> So when you want to speak to someone in Australia you have to figure out what hours they wake up and go to sleep at
[13:58] <MattJ> Much easier :)
[13:59] <daubers> MattJ: I've had to deal with some countries where you have to figure out if they're actually working on that day
[13:59] <MattJ> Though this is coming from someone who keeps their watch in GMT, no matter where in the world he is and what DST rules they have
[13:59] <AlanBell> daubers: I don't think there was an increase in RTAs just the papers reported all the morning RTAs which would normally not be newsworthy
[13:59] <sadsun> uhm... i think it is more practical to have the entire planet on UTC.... installation of Ubuntu will be shorter as well ^^ the timezone questions can be skipped
[14:00] <shauno> as someone who grew up in scotland, I'd find walking to school before dawn just because someone has problems remembering paris is an hour forward, rather annoying
[14:00] <AlanBell> sadsun: I think you are right
[14:00] <SuprEngr> just wait.. 5pm "tonight"...England looses a smile... cheers to all slow coach MPs!
[14:00] <sadsun> yay, got one vote :P
[14:01] <SuprEngr> but isn't UTC the equivalent of what we went back to today?
[14:01] <AlanBell> almost
[14:01]  * SuprEngr frowns
[14:02] <daubers> This is an interesting read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time
[14:02] <shauno> we're on GMT now.  UTC isn't usually more than a second or two off GMT
[14:02] <SuprEngr> I want daylight!
[14:02] <daubers> There's lots of good reasons for having DST, and not very many good ones for not having it (other than convenience)
[14:03] <shauno> I dont' mind DST, but I wish they'd agree on the same night to switch
[14:03] <shauno> .au switched a few weeks ago, we switched last night, north america switches next week .. that's the bit that causes me problems
[14:03] <SuprEngr> it's ok having daylight saving - but you can't cash it in when you've saved it
[14:05] <daubers> shauno: It is standardised across the EU
[14:07] <shauno> that doesn't help me much :)  so far today I've had to call the US, singapore and australia
[14:07] <SuprEngr> it's cool to let the Scots keep a different time [& sny other northern lattitude county]
[14:07] <SuprEngr> whoops... country - soory Scots
[14:08] <shauno> you think splitting the UK into multiple timezones would be less problematic than having to remember the continent is on a different time?
[14:08] <penguin42> shauno: Yeh that's the problem, for those of us who work with people everywhere, UK time isn't too bad
[14:08]  * penguin42 believes a flat earth is the answer to this quandry
[14:08] <daubers> shauno: I dislike dealing with Aus, doing tech support for them is a right pain in the bum
[14:08] <gord> its like 2pm in the uk right now right?
[14:08] <penguin42> yep
[14:08] <SuprEngr> shauno -the Scots are very cool with the idea [generally]
[14:09] <gord> awesome, much closer than last week
[14:09] <AlanBell> gord: 10am there?
[14:09] <gord> yup
[14:09] <AlanBell> ok, so sessions start at 1PM uk time
[14:10] <penguin42> right, so just have to see if Google calendar got the .ics I imported last week right
[14:10] <shauno> daubers: the only real problem I have with .au is that they're always asleep when I need them :)
[14:10] <gord> not a bad time for sessions, people working can catch a few in the evening i guess
[14:11] <penguin42> gord: I think your lunch break ends up at about 6pm as well, which is just nice
[14:12] <SuprEngr> I've got an idea... the whole world moves to one time zone, one superstore for shopping and one rstaurant to eat! no way, jose!
[14:13] <SuprEngr> no - please don't reply - that was just too provocative ;)
[14:13] <shauno> if we moved to a unified timezone, I'd end up discovering that london time isn't worth what I thought it was, and end up working on US-Eastern :(
[14:14] <sadsun> ozzies are celebrating xmas in summertime... they have the same calendar as us... why not timezones
[14:14] <SuprEngr> shauno, london time is never worth the effort!
[14:15] <shauno> I still see no benefit to changing it :)
[14:15] <shauno> if anything, I think spain/france/portugal should move to gmt
[14:16]  * SuprEngr hopes no ops live in londinium... their  revenge
[14:16] <SuprEngr> ....
[14:16] <SuprEngr> shauno, or gmt +1?
[14:17] <shauno> they're already on +1
[14:17] <SuprEngr> correct
[14:18] <shauno> I don't think they should be.  Paris is geographically 8? 9? minutes ahead of london.
[14:18] <SuprEngr> impressed with that piece of knowledge
[14:19] <gord> um. changing timezones wouldn't really help anything, i mean, people in australia are still going to go to work 12 hours ahead of you
[14:20] <SuprEngr> yeh, but they've got wallabees & kangas... we don't.
[14:20] <SuprEngr> there *is* a rationale for correct diuversity
[14:21] <SuprEngr> *diversity
[14:22] <gord> the only thing it would do is make it easier for the lazy to never have to do maths :P
[14:22] <SuprEngr> :_D
[14:23] <sadsun> lazy? its just more pragmatic ^^
[14:23] <shauno> they'd still have to do math, to figure out when different countries will be in office hours.  it just wouldn't be as simple as typing "time sydney" into google anymore :)
[14:23] <daubers> sadsun: It actually makes life more complicated for a lot of people
[14:24] <sadsun> how, daubers ?
[14:24] <daubers> sadsun: I know that the majority of the world works 9am-5pm, a quick look at a clock on a wall can tell me what time it is in many countries. Make everyone on the same timezone and you now need to know the office hours for every country
[14:25] <daubers> Makes it more complicated than just having two or three clocks
[14:25] <sadsun> so we will work from 8am to 4pm... I do not see the problem
[14:25] <daubers> sadsun: Whats the office hours in Oz?
[14:26] <daubers> sadsun: Egypt?
[14:26] <daubers> sadsun: Thaiwan?
[14:26] <sadsun> many ppl have nightshifts these days
[14:26] <daubers> sadsun: Those are exceptions though. The majority of businesses work 9-5 in their timezone
[14:27] <shauno> you think you're going to convince australia to become nocturnal to save you having to count?
[14:27] <sadsun> nope, they work from 5pm to 9am
[14:27] <penguin42> given that when I'm not working I wake up at like midday UK time, it would be easier
[14:27] <sadsun> UTC time
[14:28] <daubers> sadsun: So we're back to my original point. You now need a lookuptable to figure out who works when, rather than a couple of clocks in different timezones
[14:29] <sadsun> in netherlands you can often choose which shift you can work... 9-5 shifts are less common hete
[14:29] <sadsun> here*
[14:29] <penguin42> until you find someone doing 28h days
[14:29] <daubers> sadsun: I bet the majority of office are open from ~9-5 though. Doesn't matter what shifts the staff are on, those would be the office hours
[14:30] <sadsun> 8 to 6 actually
[14:30] <daubers> still covers the given period
[14:31] <shauno> 9-5 is the archetype of when you can expect the business to be available, rather than a specific shift that someone's working
[14:31] <daubers> If I rang that office between 9 and 5 I could do business with them
[14:31] <sadsun> yes, but it is done by 2 shifts 8-4 and 10-6
[14:32] <shauno> yeah, we do 6-6.  but if oyu call between 9-5, you can expect us to answer without having to know in advance that we're 6-6
[14:32] <daubers> sadsun: That doesn't matter! If I want to do business with that company I can ring at anytime between 9 and 5 and get through to someone
[14:32] <sadsun> okay...
[14:34] <sadsun> and if the company is in new zealand you cannot do this...
[14:35] <daubers> sadsun: I call between 9 and 5 in their timezone
[14:35] <daubers> I don't need to know their office hours, just their timezone. With no TZ's you have to go dig up peoples office hours
[14:35] <daubers> Should realy stop feeding the troll and do some work
[14:35] <shauno> you pretty much end up doing exactly the same math, but calling it something else
[14:37] <sadsun> why cant the kiwi's have a company that advertises that they work from 21:00UTC to 5:00UTC and continue living in this UTC timeset?
[14:38] <shauno> would you like to work night shifts for the next 40 years?
[14:38] <sadsun> 21:00UTC to 5:00UTC would be daytime for the kiwi's
[14:39] <shauno> but then you're back to having to find out what time they're in the office, instead of being able to make a sensible guess
[14:39] <daubers> Stupid router
[14:40] <sadsun> dont have to do this anyway?
[14:40] <sadsun> dont you have to do this anyway?*
[14:40] <shauno> nope.  I have to remember that dubai's weekend isn't the same shape as ours
[14:40] <daubers> what lookup peoples office hours? No, I just ring them between 9 and 5 in their time zone
[14:40] <daubers> wheres RMS's parrot when you need it
[14:40] <sadsun> but you have to look up their timezone
[14:41] <shauno> other than that, it doesn't matter if I'm calling ghana or seattle, I can make a fair guess whether they're in the office, asleep, or at lunch
[14:41] <daubers> sadsun: I have 5 clocks on the wall, I just look up
[14:41] <penguin42> sadsun: Well you just look on their calendar - right?
[14:41] <gord> geez bluetooth really goes out of its way to be utterly useless
[14:41] <shauno> having to look up their gmt offset vs having to lookup their 'office hours offset' is zero gain
[14:42] <shauno> a whole lot of work for zero gain
[14:42] <sadsun> and you think 5 clocks is pragmatic?
[14:42] <daubers> sadsun: Yes. It's cheap, easy and I only have to sort it out once
[14:43] <daubers> they're also being replaced with a high def TV with maps connected to google analytics and other work databases soon :)
[14:43] <sadsun> well, i'm sorry, but I do not see it that way, I think it is unnecessary complication
[14:43] <daubers> Hooray for random data on displays
[14:43] <shauno> removing their gmt offset doesn't remove that complication.  It just replaces it with exactly the same complication, with a new name
[14:44] <shauno> you still have to discover that NZ is 13 hours away
[14:45] <sadsun> yup, but no need for 5 extra clocks, timezone installation questions/programming and celebrating newyears twice controversies :P
[14:45] <daubers> Until we have people constantly living off planet, the current system is fine
[14:46] <daubers> sadsun: So what you're saying is thet the little bit of work you have to do once is annoying so everyone else should do more work every day to make up for it
[14:46]  * sadsun can't wait for stardates XD
[14:46] <daubers> gotcha
[14:46] <SuprEngr> [off-planet?  Iwas *born* off-planet!]
[14:47] <SuprEngr> [I only came here as a favour]
[14:51] <shauno> I'd still have 5 clocks :)  (well, 3)
[14:52] <shauno> us-east, here, sydney.  singapore & europe I can derive from those without getting too confused
[14:54] <daubers> I have a GMT, LA (whichever name that timezone has), Sydney, Japan and Dubai
[14:54] <daubers> clock
[14:54] <daubers> As those are the people I tend to deal with most often
[14:54] <popey> moo
[14:54] <daubers> o/
[14:55] <shauno> I'm kinda bummed that singapore don't do DST.  during the summer, they're us-east + 12, so I can double-duty the same clock :)  for most things, I just use http://time.is/ now tho
[14:56] <daubers> shauno: I'm looking forward to replacing the clocks with a big display. Get server response readouts on it and the list of coding/support priorities
[14:57] <shauno> we went the other way around.  we used to have a map with little dots all over it, 5 years ago
[14:57] <shauno> business is now good enough that the dots made the map unreadable :)
[14:58] <daubers> shauno: Heh, we're  just reaching the point where we're struggling to keep up with demand. Floods in Thailand aren't helping
[15:00] <penguin42> daubers: Why? I'd heard that there were a lot of factories out (hard drive factories in particular)
[15:03] <penguin42> man ssh
[15:03] <penguin42> oops
[15:03] <penguin42> sloppy focus, meets sloppy user
[15:05] <daubers> penguin42: Yeah, we build NAS systems with big RAIDs in them. HDD's will be going into contention shortly. Prices have already jumped 20-25% wholesale
[15:05] <penguin42> daubers: Ah messy, and what with there only being about 3 hard drive manufacturers now it's nasty
[15:07] <daubers> penguin42: Yeah. Only seagate aren't really affected and they'll be hit by the motor shortage
[15:07] <sadsun> time to go ssd?
[15:07] <penguin42> daubers: Ouch hadn't heard that they all shared components like that; I guess it's similar to the chip mess with Japan having most of the production of some of the resins for chip manufacture
[15:08] <penguin42> sadsun: Not when you're into multiple TB unless you have very deep pockets
[15:08] <sadsun> ah yeah... that'll be expensive...
[15:08] <daubers> Heh, we sold a 24 drive system to japan the other day with 600GB SSD's in it
[15:08] <daubers> that was an expensive toy
[15:09] <shauno> I can't wait for a sane solution to external ssds
[15:09] <penguin42> daubers: Nice
[15:11] <shauno> lacie came out with a nice little thunderbolt drive, and then priced it into stupidity :(
[15:11] <rafi> Hi
[15:11] <daubers> shauno: Meh, thunderbolt is dumb, wait for USB3
[15:12] <shauno> my laptop doesn't have usb3  lol
[15:12] <daubers> shauno: Macbook Pro?
[15:12] <shauno> yeah
[15:12]  * penguin42 worries about thunderbolt - it's basically PCI-e, so it's going to need a SATA controller; I guess there is no real reason that PCI-e<->SATA should be any more expensive than a USB-3<->SATA
[15:13] <daubers> :) Thunderbolt is an extension to the PCI-E bus, we've seen problems with people who load the pci-ebus on their macs already when they use thunderbolt
[15:13] <penguin42> daubers: Like what type of problems? security sounds scary
[15:13] <shauno> isn't a usb3 controller going to sit on pci-e too?
[15:14] <penguin42> yeh
[15:14] <daubers> shauno: Not based on the current architecture, macs have terrible pcie buses
[15:14] <penguin42> it's all serial protocols - too many; spend all our money converting between PCI-e, GigE, SATA, US, HDMI
[15:14] <daubers> penguin42: Graphics distortions, dropped ingests as the ingest card drops off the bus, macs crashing
[15:15] <penguin42> daubers: Ouch, the graphics is odd - isn't the graphics on them a separate channel?
[15:15] <daubers> Yes, there''s an issue with the earlier models that means the signals interfere
[15:16] <daubers> they released a f/w update to fix it, but still happens if the bus is congested
[15:16] <penguin42> daubers: If they're running them over the same channel they're going to have frankly unsolvable prioritisation problems
[15:17] <daubers> I also find it fun that it was originally an optical connection, and Apples method of forcing it to an electrical connection is to put what is essentially a really crappy optical to digital chip on the board
[15:19] <penguin42> daubers: Is it the similar trick to 10GbE where some of them do copper?
[15:21] <shauno> I was under the impression copper was Intel's move, to get it to ship in anything near a sensible timeline
[15:22] <daubers> penguin42: Ish, CX4 is actually a pretty good cable
[15:22] <penguin42> daubers: Nod - it's used by everything isn't it? short 10GbE, infiniband, SAS
[15:22] <daubers> shauno: Nah, it was Apple. I did notice that Intel wanted it to be licence free, but Apple own the trademark on the name "Thunderbolt"
[15:23] <shauno> really? Intel claim they own it too
[15:23] <daubers> Funny that :)
[15:23] <daubers> It'll be the next firewire
[15:24] <shauno> I don't see that as a bad thing.  firewire rocked :)
[15:25] <daubers> shauno: Shame no-one used it because of the licences involved (and the trademarked name)
[15:25] <penguin42> the name didn't make much odds - I've got the IEEE whatever ports on both machines here
[15:25] <penguin42> (did have a play with remote debugging with it once)
[15:26] <daubers> A lot harder to market a device with a name like "IEE1319whatever"
[15:26] <shauno> I use it, because usb2 seems to really struggle with harddrives
[15:26] <shauno> got a friend in biomed who used it for data capture, because usb2 was pretty terrible at that too
[15:27] <daubers> Yeah, lot of video people have to use firewire 800 or more for capture. USB2 peaks at something like 25MB/s and it's a bursty protocol
[15:28] <shauno> yeah.  usb2 peaks at roughly two thirds of it's theoretical max; and that's if nothing else dares use the same bus
[15:29] <shauno> which makes it pretty painful on laptops, where most integrated peripherals are hardwired to the bus
[15:29] <daubers> I just tend to use a NAS these days (funny that……)
[15:30] <shauno> I have an external firewire drive for bootable backups
[15:31] <shauno> but even day to day, usb2's 'issues' come up.  my phone syncs much faster off one usb port than the other, for example
[15:32] <shauno> (one shared a bus with the IR receiver; the other shares with keyboard/trackpad/camera/bluetooth .. the difference is pretty noticable)
[15:32] <daubers> phone, sync, usb? Ah! iPhone?
[15:32] <shauno> yeah.  I still push music down the wire because it's much faster than wifi
[15:33] <daubers> I let spotify do that, or U1
[15:33] <shauno> spotify isn't available here :/
[15:34] <daubers> where's here?
[15:34] <shauno> Ireland
[15:34] <shauno> we get everything last, because it's not worth fighting with record labels, just to reach the 72 people still here who haven't emmigrated yet
[15:35] <sadsun> use stealthy.co
[15:35] <sadsun> and pretend u r in the UK
[15:36] <shauno> I could just proxy via my vps
[15:36] <shauno> but to be frank, once they ruin the convenience factor, it's easier just to use 'other means'
[16:05] <gord> time to spend some of my sunday learning the wonderful world of LUA
[16:06] <jacobw> afternoon
[16:46] <popey> Evening everyone
[16:46] <popey> gord: whats the weather like?
[16:46] <popey> shall I bring my thermals?
[16:47] <bigcalm> Evening popey
[16:47] <popey> lo
[16:48] <bigcalm> Whole family off state side?
[16:48] <popey> no, just me
[16:48] <popey> went away for the weekend though
[16:48] <bigcalm> Aye, noticed the hotel mentions
[16:49] <bigcalm> Was UDC a last min surprise?
[16:49] <bigcalm> UDS
[16:49] <MartijnVdS> not for those attending...
[16:49] <bigcalm> :P
[16:53] <Laney> it's actually pretty windy
[16:55] <popey> bigcalm: yeah, i only joined the company this week so the flight was only booked on friday
[16:56] <popey> so kinda surprise yeah
[17:01] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ralph Janke] I am soo Tired of the Endless Desktop Flame Wars - Can we Please all Stop This? - http://drupal.txwikinger.me.uk/content/i-am-soo-tired-endless-desktop-flame-wars-can-we-please-all-stop
[17:02] <ali1234> nope
[17:03] <mattt> good weather in florida?
[17:04]  * penguin42 gets impressed with what Gnome's 'seahorse' can do - create .ssh key pair and then stuff it into the authorized_keys on a different machine
[17:16] <penguin42> but I am getting confused by authorized_keys - I'm trying to set up something restricted by command and it seems to be ignoring it
[17:18] <shauno> someone needs to get new england a snow shovel & a cup of bovril :/
[17:34] <penguin42> got it, heck sshd needs to be a bit more arsey about authorized_keys - it's wrong that a badly formatted line means the key is free to do anything
[17:39] <MartijnVdS> for me, badly formatted lines just don't allow the key in at all
[17:40] <MartijnVdS> well, mis-pasted keys that is
[17:41] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Correct, but if you try to add an option to the key - e.g. command= and you break that line then the following key is unrestricted
[17:42] <MartijnVdS> ouch
[17:42] <MartijnVdS> that sounds like a boog
[17:42] <penguin42> I'm not sure if it's actually a bug or a lack of paranoia, but I think it should be paranoid
[17:43] <MartijnVdS> Syntax error? Ignore line!
[17:43] <MartijnVdS> (and log)
[17:43] <MartijnVdS> (so sysadmins can actually figure out why it isn't working)
[17:43] <penguin42> well, that's the other thing - I don't see any log entries for it
[17:44] <MartijnVdS> not even the "authenticated" log line?
[17:45] <penguin42> Well I see the Accepted publickey for ....   but nothing to indicate a screw up
[17:45] <MartijnVdS> I'd fillet a bug
[17:45] <MartijnVdS> Filleted bugs are the best
[17:45] <penguin42> yeh, I suspect best to do it upstream
[17:45] <penguin42> You don't get much of a fillet out of a bug
[18:03] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: One filleted bug: https://bugzilla.mindrot.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1947
[18:03] <lubotu3`> bugzilla.mindrot.org bug 1947 in sshd "Log authorized_keys format issues and refuse to accept keys" [Normal,New: ]
[18:03] <penguin42> right, now to make some dinner
[18:26] <SuprEngr> So Mr. popey...vee meet at last!
[18:26] <SuprEngr> Vot do I expect, Mr. popey ... I expect your G+ Angry Birds to dieeee! [insert maniacal laughter as appropriate]
[18:27] <popey> er
[18:27] <popey> Ok.
[18:27] <SuprEngr> ;)
[18:30] <DJones> When do you head off to the states popey?
[18:32] <AlanBell> any vala gurus about?
[18:33] <popey> tomorrow morning DJones
[18:35] <DJones> Hope its a productive time, probably feel a bit strange going as staff rather than a willing volunteer
[18:35] <penguin42> does tha tmean we can actually blame popey for things now?
[18:36] <gord> popey, i assume you are buying everyone bears in celibration when you get here ;)
[18:36] <penguin42> glacier?
[18:36] <gord> beers...
[18:36] <gord> or bears
[18:37] <gord> whatever
[18:39] <popey> gord: ho ho ho
[18:39] <penguin42> popey: Do you know what you'll be doing?
[18:40] <popey> gord: kinda
[18:40] <popey> er
[18:40] <popey> penguin42: kinda
[18:44] <MartijnVdS> Telling people all Unity bugs are actually ayatana features
[18:45] <penguin42> quick, someone assign him all the impossible bugs
[18:45] <DJones> I'm sure bug 1 has been assigned to him :)
[18:45] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[18:46] <MartijnVdS> "Unity crashes a lot" -> "Wont fix. This is actually a feature to force you to take breaks"
[18:46] <MartijnVdS> "Alt tab is slow" "Wont fix. It's a feature."
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> it's _the_ reply to Unity bugs
[18:49] <penguin42> popey: Your job is to find a sensible animal whose name starts with Q
[18:49] <MartijnVdS> quagga. Done.
[18:50] <MartijnVdS> quixotic quagga
[18:50] <penguin42> it is probably the only one isn't it
[18:50] <SuprEngr> Quintessential Quagmire?
[18:50] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: quail
[18:50] <penguin42> it's certainly better than the quadrate pebblesnail
[18:51]  * MartijnVdS liked the rolling releases story from keybuk
[18:51] <penguin42> http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_some_animals_that_begin_with_the_letter_Q
[18:51] <quagga> Yay! Quagga!
[18:52] <MartijnVdS> hi quagga :)
[18:52] <quagga> Hullo!
[18:56] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Quixotic Quagga would work well; still how about the Quiet Quetzalcoatlus ?
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> I'm waiting for the wrap-around to Chilled Chupacabra
[18:57] <penguin42> X is going to be tricky
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: lots of Latin names with "Xes
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> Xerus: a type of ground squirrel from Africa.
[18:59] <smittix> evening all
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> smittix: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_AIX_SMIT ?
[19:00] <awilkins> My daughter has decided that X-Factor is more important than my company.
[19:00]  * awilkins sulks
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: Next birthday, tell her beer was more important than a present
[19:00] <popey> :D
[19:01] <awilkins> Yay, she's changed her mind
[19:01]  * awilkins is happy
[19:01] <penguin42> awilkins: You buy her  a PVR?
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: "♫ Oh Lord, won't you buy me a huge PVR" (an update to the classics...)
[19:04] <penguin42> hmm
[19:04] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: My friends all have VCRs ?
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> something like that :)
[19:05] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: from the same set: "♪ We all live in a Windows subroutine"
[19:05] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: and the all-time classic "Deadlock holiday"
[19:07] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Well, you never want a Deadlocked Raster
[19:07] <popey> gord: i have something on my desk for you
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: exactly
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: oh and don't forget "London Rain (Nothing Heals Me Like Youtube)"
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/e0ysr/i_wrote_a_song_while_my_code_is_busy_notworking/
[19:52]  * awilkins has a 1TB MythTV box, she doesn't need another one
[19:54] <awilkins> I wrote a song to the tune of "Hey Hey We're the Monkees"
[19:54] <MartijnVdS> What did it become?
[19:55] <awilkins> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/723619/   # Darwin's Monkeys
[19:56] <awilkins> This was some time ago now.. it's embedded in a Slashdot post somewhere
[20:10] <ali1234> lyrics fit well to money for nothing by dire straits
[20:10] <ali1234> monkeys for nothing and your chimps for free
[20:15] <penguin42> sorry, you're making me think of Leonard Cohen
[20:48] <DJones> Am I right in thinking that when using byobu instead of screen to run irssi, to reconnect to the session, I still need to run "screen -dr"
[20:50] <ali1234> no
[20:50] <ali1234> you just run byobu
[20:50] <ali1234> it reattaches by default
[20:50] <DJones> Thanks, I wasn't sure & found that screen -dr worked anyway
[20:50] <ali1234> yeah it will
[20:52] <DJones> I've got no doubt I'm going to forget that a multitude of times
[20:53] <ali1234> byobu just runs screen with a custom configuration file
[20:55] <DJones> Its something I've kept meaning to try but never got round to it, decided I'd give it a go while I'm finishing off setting a replacement server up
[20:56] <popey> I quite like it
[21:00] <DJones> Interesting, you can have two devices connected to the same byobu session
[21:00] <MartijnVdS> screen -x \o/
[21:01] <popey> yeah, and you can both be on different windows too
[21:02] <mattt> why use byobu over screen?
[21:02]  * mattt kicks it oldschool
[21:02] <MartijnVdS> popey: at work we have a machine where we even do multiuser screen
[21:02] <MartijnVdS> popey: (it's setgid or something)
[21:02] <popey> ace
[21:02] <MartijnVdS> it can be a bit scary ;)
[21:02] <popey> mattt: pretty
[21:03] <DJones> I doubt I'll ever need that, was just testing that I had access from an external ip using connectbot and was expecting my laptop to disconnect, it was a bit disconcerting seeing it still connected :)
[21:03] <mattt> popey: that's it?  :/
[21:03] <popey> mattt: yes
[21:03] <popey> DJones: -rD will disconnect
[21:03] <popey> rather than -rd
[21:05] <MartijnVdS> there's even some option to make screen disconnect OR create a new screen with the given name
[21:05] <DJones> popey: Under normal circumstances, I'll only ever have one connection anyway, I'll need to read the man page
[21:05] <popey> screen is _awesome_
[21:05] <popey> byobu just makes it a tiny tiny bit nicer
[21:07] <DJones> Apart from the info in the bottom couple of lines, I don't see much difference in how it looks, but no doubt there's a lot of extra options that I've not looked into yet
[21:09] <MartijnVdS> there's bashish - http://bashish.sourceforge.net/
[21:11] <mgdm> I use zsh with some bits of https://github.com/robbyrussell/oh-my-zsh
[21:12] <mgdm> but I'm more interested in a nice working environment rather than eye candy ;)
[21:13] <Azelphur> I have both, compiz \m/
[21:13] <Azelphur> compiz + easystroke = eye candy with epic usability
[21:14] <mgdm> I can use most machines if they have a decent browser, terminal, and Vim
[21:16] <Azelphur> haha, I'm the opposite mines customized out the ears and takes a while to set up from a fresh install
[21:17] <diplo> Guys, just been given a 2tb external drive, going to pair it with my microserver to make some backups, the server runs natty server
[21:17] <diplo> Any recommendations on what to use to backup
[21:17]  * MartijnVdS uses rsync + crontab
[21:17] <diplo> rsync, rsyncsnapshot ?
[21:17] <diplo> yeah was what i was going to go with
[21:17] <MartijnVdS> I used rsnapshot before, but its config file is HELL
[21:18] <diplo> Sounds the advice i wanted :)
[21:18] <MartijnVdS> ("My God, it's full of _significant tabs_")
[21:18] <popey> i use rsnapshot
[21:18] <popey> just works
[21:18] <MartijnVdS> (and don't put in two where there was one before!)
[21:18] <popey> once you get over the stupid config file format
[21:19] <mgdm> +1 from me for rsnapshot
[21:19] <diplo> May give it a go then, going to plug it in before bed and try tomorrow at work
[21:19] <mgdm> and yes, significant whitespace can sod off
[21:19] <mgdm> make is terrible for it too
[21:20] <diplo> Got to decide what to backup, 4tb of disc but only using 2.3 atm but only a 2tb external disc
[21:20] <MartijnVdS> USB discs are shit. They die easily
[21:20] <MartijnVdS> get a proper networked disk system (NAS)
[21:20] <daftykins> true that
[21:21] <daftykins> you'd want an external hard disks' mains adapter UPS'd just to save it from mains death
[21:21] <diplo> This is just a braces thing.. already got backups.. just want to make use of a free external drive
[21:21] <daftykins> that's how prior clients of mine have lost theirs
[21:21] <diplo> Yea defo something I want to get in next few months is a ups
[21:21] <MartijnVdS> as soon as I get fiber I'm going to make backups over the internet to my parents place
[21:22] <diplo> I'm thinking of doing that to my work for photos/music
[21:23] <diplo> No fiber here any time soon though
[21:25] <MartijnVdS> diplo: Netherlands++ in that regard ;)
[21:25] <diplo> heh, yeah UK sucks on that front :/
[21:25] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: what's your connection like right now? in speed terms
[21:25] <diplo> Been Virgin for years, currently on DSL for the first time ever i think for home use
[21:26] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: currently, 16/1Mbit ADSL
[21:26] <daftykins> nice :)
[21:26] <daftykins> i'm on 16/768
[21:26] <daftykins> could definitely enjoy far more upload
[21:26] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: will get 500/500Mbit fibre "in November" :)
[21:26] <MartijnVdS> 100/100 at first, but 500/500 before the end of Q1/2012
[21:27] <daftykins> D:
[21:27] <popey> heh, we're due to get 100Mb end of next year
[21:27] <daftykins> any caps on that?
[21:27] <diplo> Thats why I'm debating to go back to Virgin popey
[21:27] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: only a speed cap :)
[21:27] <popey> heh
[21:27] <popey> daftykins: no
[21:27] <diplo> But will miss some of the channels like Atlantic on Sky
[21:27] <popey> no caps on the virgin top end
[21:27] <popey> TV is overrated :D
[21:27] <daftykins> yeah broadcast TV is a total waste of time
[21:28] <MartijnVdS> I can get TV over IP with the fibre if I want
[21:28] <daftykins> i don't even use it
[21:28] <diplo> yeah it's not the end of the world for me
[21:28] <mattt> i've seen them digging up the streets for miles around my place, presumably to run fiber or something
[21:28] <MartijnVdS> but I have a satellite dish, so meh
[21:28] <clockwatch> I saw a TV once, but I didn't like it
[21:28] <diplo> Not sure I could get rid of Sky/Cable because of the quiet it gives me from the kids occasionally
[21:28] <diplo> :)
[21:28] <MartijnVdS> clockwatch: I have a nice 46" TV, works great for playing games or Blurays on the PS3
[21:29] <mattt> diplo: :P
[21:29] <diplo> But i do have DVD's of a lot of the stuff they watch, debated about spending the money i save on buying the series they watch on DVD instead
[21:29] <MartijnVdS> diplo: yeah, imagine having to actually raise them ;)
[21:29] <mattt> sky is reasonably priced, but once you start paying for sports it gets a bit ridiculous
[21:30] <MartijnVdS> I pay €20/month for basic satellite TV, and on top of that I get your FreeSat channels for free ;)
[21:30] <diplo> yeah just basic for me mattt
[21:30] <daftykins> i don't think Sky is reasonable at all :>
[21:30] <MartijnVdS> \o/ UK satellite TV
[21:30] <popey> I dont buy DVDs anymore
[21:31] <diplo> Now netflix is coming to the UK soon I may not popey
[21:31] <diplo> Integration with XBMC as well would be great
[21:31] <daftykins> :D
[21:31] <mattt> we really need something like netflix
[21:31] <MartijnVdS> popey: you just stream CBBC from iPlayer?
[21:31] <diplo> I'd defo cancel it all then
[21:31] <popey> MartijnVdS: yup
[21:31] <diplo> mattt it's been anounced it's coming now
[21:32] <mattt> diplo: yeah, i recall seeing something ... but it got lost with all the whining americans were doing about the price increases
[21:32] <diplo> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15427840
[21:32] <diplo> early 2012
[21:34] <diplo> Was debating Lovefilm but it sucks in comparison, and no way of integrating to XBMC yet
[21:34] <Azelphur> yea I wasn't impressed by lovefilm either
[21:35] <mattt> my gf had a lovefilm subscription a few years back, the selection was horrible
[21:35] <diplo> Worst part of all of this is the MPAA/Studios.. licensing sucks makes it awful for these companies
[21:35] <daftykins> optical media, so quaint it was
[21:36] <daftykins> yeah i'd love a decent service on-demand, but no companies are ever going to make one decent
[21:36] <diplo> I buy DVD's and instantly rip them
[21:36] <daftykins> for example, if i had something that grabbed the latest HD episodes for a subscription i'd be happy
[21:36] <diplo> Still to get myself a bluray unit to rip them :/
[21:37] <diplo> Maybe a treat for myself for Xmas
[21:37] <popey> surely you just end up with TB of media files that you never watch rather than stacks of optical media you never watch?
[21:37]  * MartijnVdS does that with CDs, and I actually listen to most of them regularly
[21:37] <daftykins> sure but is that data messing with the environment?
[21:37] <MartijnVdS> I have >500 now
[21:38] <diplo> I watch a lot of films tbh popey
[21:38] <daftykins> do i have to go get it?
[21:38] <daftykins> does it cost loads to get to me over my net connection versus a disc in the post?
[21:38] <popey> diplo: how many times do you watch each one?
[21:38] <diplo> And I now never get scratched DVD's from my kids
[21:38] <diplo> out of the 400+ I have 50 probably more than once
[21:38] <popey> my rule is if I'm going to watch it 3 times in my life I'll buy it
[21:38] <popey> if not, I wont
[21:39] <popey> doesnt make financial sense
[21:39] <diplo> I never ever buy them brand new, I buy them at Tescos in bargain buckets :)
[21:39] <diplo> Or online deals
[21:39] <popey> i never see decent stuff in the bargain bucket ☹
[21:39] <popey> i rarely look tho ☺
[21:39] <diplo> I started writing a app for XBMC where it randomly selects a film//music/series
[21:40] <diplo> Well since wife left me I seem to have lots of spare time
[21:40] <daftykins> write something eh
[21:40] <daftykins> i do that by holding the up/down remote button with my eyes shut
[21:40] <daftykins> :D
[21:40] <diplo> heh, it was mainly for my kids, to replace having sky box on they just select 'Kids Series' and it randomly plays them something
[21:41] <diplo> No argueing then
[21:41] <daftykins> ^_^
[21:42] <daftykins> that's the only problem versus broadcast really, yeah
[21:42] <daftykins> the decision making
[21:42] <popey> E_TOOMUCHCHOICE
[21:42] <diplo> Downside with sky i found, too many channels :)
[21:42] <daftykins> and all full of crap
[21:43] <diplo> yeah, Atlantic is a good new channel though
[21:43] <mattt> yah, lots of rubbish on sky :(
[21:49] <daftykins> the weird program "This is Jinsy" on Sky Atlantic is kinda amusing
[21:49] <daftykins> written by two Guernsey people, parodying island life
[21:49] <daftykins> can't imagine it really works for anyone that hasn't been a rock dweller though :)
[21:50] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: is it like Burnstoun? :)
[21:50] <MartijnVdS> +i
[21:50] <daftykins> what's that?
 Burnistoun is a sketch show for BBC Scotland by the Scottish comedians Iain Connell and Robert Florence. The show is produced by The Comedy Unit.[1]
[21:51] <daftykins> hmm not familiar
[21:51] <daftykins> i probably wouldn't understand Scottish ;)
[21:51] <MartijnVdS> It's just English with a thick SCottish accent
[21:52] <MartijnVdS> S2E2 is on iplayer (and it's sketch comedy so it won't matter if you haven't seen it before)
[21:52] <daftykins> that's what i mean :D
[21:52] <daftykins> assuming it's as thick as some classic Rab C Nesbitt
[21:53] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b010b6g5
[21:53] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: _I_ can understand it, and I'm Dutch ;)
[21:53] <daftykins> :>
[21:53] <mattt> yeah, cuz the dutch sound equally as strange
[21:53] <mattt> :P
[21:54]  * MartijnVdS throws some clogs at mattt 
[21:54] <daftykins> well i didn't want to comment...
[21:56] <MartijnVdS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo04A82z9yA :)
[22:17] <AlanBell> danfish: possibly interesting event tomorrow evening http://www.meetup.com/Integrating-the-Open-Enterprise/events/34972092/?a=md1.2o_grp&rv=md1.2o
[22:24] <bigcalm> Is it possible to alter app links add to the Unity launcher?
[22:24] <popey> possible: yes
[22:24] <popey> easy: no
[22:25] <bigcalm> :(
[22:25] <bigcalm> Then I shall make do with what I have and carry on
[22:26] <bigcalm> Unity does what it can to hinder productivity
[22:26] <bigcalm> Resisting putting xubuntu-desktop on the laptop though
[22:29] <diplo> bigcalm, I did that earlier
[22:29] <diplo> it's faster and more stable
[22:29] <diplo> But I don't think I like it enough
[22:29] <bigcalm> I have it on my workstation just because I have multiple monitors. I'm doing what I can to use Unity on my laptop
[22:29] <diplo> Going to try a distro still running 2.* I think
[22:30] <diplo> Oneric has crashed 3 times in 2 days ( Locked ) can't find a reason
[22:30] <diplo> Getting truly fed up with sluggishness
[22:31]  * mgdm hasn't upgraded yet 
[22:31] <mgdm> probably won't, either
[22:31] <diplo> For me I wouldn't bother
[22:32] <diplo> Time for the first time in years that I may try a new distro
[22:32] <stevepdp> bigcalm: please forgive me for asking, but what did you mean by your question above?
[22:32] <stevepdp> Are you referring to the right-click context menus?
[22:32] <diplo> May go for a netinst of Debian and just install what I need
[22:34] <stevepdp> I've been wondering how to go about adding items to the unity icon for Banshee
[22:35] <stevepdp> adding next/previous track for example
[22:35] <bigcalm> stevepdp: I refer to the column of application buttons down the left hand side of the screen in Unity on 11.04 and 11.10
[22:40] <mattt> MartijnVdS: that's pretty good :)
[22:44] <stevepdp> quite liking Unity over here
[22:49] <StevenR> hrrm. is there a twitter/statusnet app that will let me show only twitter messages? (the new gwibber seems to lack that feature that old_gwibber had)
[23:47] <FlippingYoda> Hi
[23:56] <daftykins> FlippingYoda: hi