[04:23] <nlsthzn> o/
[05:51] <Guest7780> hy
[06:57]  * Kilos waves
[06:58] <Kilos> morning superfly and you other few
[06:58] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[06:58]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[06:58] <Kilos> hey nlsthzn 
[06:58] <nlsthzn> Good morning Uncle Kilos :)
[07:02] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[07:02] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[07:02] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[07:19] <Kilos> hi Waceman 
[07:19] <Waceman> Hey man
[07:19] <Waceman> Had a power failure yesterday
[07:19] <Waceman> how you doing?
[07:20] <Kilos> ok ty
[07:20] <Kilos> we had voda and mtn dead here
[07:20] <Kilos> voda showed only one bar on cell but irc still worked
[07:21] <Kilos> but all seems good today
[07:23] <Waceman> what area are you in Kilos
[07:23] <Kilos> just west of pretoria and you
[07:29] <Kilos> lo sdehaan 
[07:31] <Kilos> Waceman, you gonna give up with that graphics card?
[07:31] <Waceman> near Randburg (Johannesburg)
[07:31] <Kilos> ah
[07:31] <Waceman> I also have bad signal
[07:32] <Kilos> broadband?
[07:32] <Kilos> the cellphone service providers have really got bad in the last few months
[07:34] <Kilos> Waceman, i dont know what all you missed last night here. it didnt show you disconnected when the power went off there
[07:35] <Kilos> had a few ideas but most likely crazy ideas
[07:42] <Waceman> yeah, used to have a 3G here... but find ADSL much better value.
[07:43] <Kilos> are you uncapped
[07:47] <Waceman> I'm capped, but R29 a gig
[07:48] <Waceman> sometimes they give me an 2 gigs for the price of 1
[07:49] <Waceman> Do you think I should upgrade to 11.10 and Gnome3 on my other computer (newer than the one giving problems)?
[07:49] <Kilos> ok if you brave try get one of the other linux distributions and try get that graphics cards drivers the use alien in ubuntu to convert it to .deb
[07:49]  * Waceman nVidia Legacy driver issues. Installed 71xx from nVidia website as this was the only pack which supports my GeForce 256 DDR. When my Ubuntu 10.04 reboots, screen flashes and gives error: (EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so
[07:49]  * Waceman (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (loader failed, 7)
[07:49] <Waceman> sorry
[07:49] <Waceman> wrong channel ;)
[07:49] <Kilos> lol
[07:50] <Waceman> what you think of Linux Mint?
[07:50]  * nlsthzn thinks it is very green
[07:50] <Kilos> does the other pc work with lucid?
[07:53] <Kilos> Waceman, if you can get to the nvidia forums you might find someone that can convert that .run driver to .deb for you then it should work
[07:55] <Waceman> ok
[07:55] <Waceman> which one's lucid?
[07:55] <Kilos> 10.04
[07:55] <Kilos> Maaz, ubuntu releases
[07:55] <Maaz> Kilos: ubuntu releases are 4.10 (Warty Warthog), 5.04 (Hoary Hedgehog), 5.10 (Breezy Badger), 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake), 6.10 (Edgy Eft), 7.04 (Feisty Fawn), 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon), 8.04 LTS (Hardy Heron), 8.10 (Intrepid Ibex), 9.04 (Jaunty Jackalope), 9.10 (Karmic Koala), 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx), 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat), 11.04 (Natty Narwhal), 11.10 (Oneiric Ocelot)
[07:56] <Kilos> thats what you are musing now isnt it
[07:56] <Kilos> 10.04
[07:57] <Kilos> nlsthzn, knows and plays with the other linuxes so he will know which use .rpm and .tar.gz
[07:58]  * nlsthzn is a noob and shouldn't be trusted with power tools 
[07:58] <Kilos> lol
[07:58] <Kilos> ha ha
[07:59] <Kilos> Alien allows you to convert LSB, Red Hat, Stampede and Slackware Packages
[08:00] <Kilos> into Debian packages, which can be installed with dpkg.
[08:00]  * nlsthzn is having no joy with his VBox guest, slowest download speeds ever :'(
[08:00] <Kilos> thats not nice nlsthzn 
[08:00] <Kilos> even the ahabs got hassles
[08:01] <nlsthzn> Kilos, I have never used Alien... so I can't comment on it but if I have choice I would use a PPA and secondly a deb specifically for the version of Ubuntu I am using
[08:02] <nlsthzn> My net speed is OK... I am able to download fine, but my guest OS in Vbox is struggling for some reason
[08:02] <Kilos> yes nlsthzn but we looking for a nvidia driver for a card that ubuntu doesnt support anymore
[08:03] <nlsthzn> AFAIK most nvidia divers are backwards compatible so new drivers support older cards etc... (but then also only to a specific age I guess)
[08:03] <Kilos> so i thought if redhat LSB Stampede or slackware have a driver for it he can convert it to .deb and use on ubuntu
[08:03] <Kilos> yeah his n10 is no longer supported
[08:04] <Kilos> i have a n5 so not even gonna try get drivers
[08:04] <Kilos> v5 
[08:05] <nlsthzn> I suspect that if flashy graphics isn't required the generic vesa driver should be enough...
[08:05] <Kilos> just use with nouveau drivers
[08:06] <Kilos> he wants the extra speed
[08:06] <Kilos> im used to a slow pc
[08:06] <nlsthzn> Well, I hope he gets it sorted out then :)
[08:07] <Kilos> whew
[08:11] <Kilos> Waceman, how big is that .run driver
[08:12] <Waceman> is' about 10 mb
[08:13] <Kilos> ouch
[08:14] <Kilos> install alien then right click the driver and see if you can open/convert it with alien
[08:14] <Kilos> maybe you lucky
[08:15] <Kilos> i used alien to convert a .tar.gz and it worked
[08:15] <Kilos> most tools in ubuntu work
[08:24] <Kilos> hiya kbmonkey 
[08:25] <Kilos> late nights in the big city wear you out hey?
[08:25] <kbmonkey> hi Kilos 
[08:26] <kbmonkey> nope, I took trains and minibuses the whole day yesterday to cape city and walked quite a bit :)
[08:26] <Waceman> thanks Kilos
[08:26] <kbmonkey> okay not whole day, half a day
[08:26] <Kilos> lol
[08:27] <kbmonkey> hows alpine working out for you nuvolari? wonder if it does rss
[08:27] <Kilos> he still sleeping, or checking out chicks onna beach
[08:27] <kbmonkey> it's pouring here whole morning.
[08:28] <kbmonkey> like yesterday, but by 10am it was blue skies
[08:28] <Waceman> kbmonkey: what area in ct do you stay?
[08:28] <kbmonkey> I am in Obz atm
[08:28] <Kilos> lotsa rain in that place
[08:28] <kbmonkey> tomorrow I'm moving into a new place, I think Rondebosch
[08:28] <Kilos> OBz?
[08:29] <Kilos> oh
[08:29] <Kilos> hope its better
[08:29] <kbmonkey> observatory
[08:29] <kbmonkey> well it's cheaper! staying in backpackers isn't cost effecctive
[08:29] <Kilos> did you check first if you get internet connection there
[08:30] <kbmonkey> no
[08:30] <Kilos> lol
[08:30] <Waceman> I used to train at planet fitness in claremont... ;p
[08:30] <Kilos> should be the first thing you check even before if the floor is clean or not
[08:30] <Waceman> haha
[08:31] <kbmonkey> no Kilos, I've stayed in some dingy places and believe you me I'm tired of dirty floors ;)
[08:31] <Waceman> Is there a way to make an iso of one's current OS setup? Cuz I want to play with something, and if it breaks would like to revert back?
[08:31] <kbmonkey> opted for nice house mate with garden and open plan kitchen. I'm a geek, I will *always* find internet no matter what!
[08:32] <kbmonkey> yes Waceman you can make a live CD from your current system
[08:32] <kbmonkey> but its purpose is for something else. rather make a system backup that you can restore
[08:32] <Kilos> yes there is wace
[08:32] <Kilos> re something or other
[08:32] <Kilos> remastersys
[08:33] <kbmonkey> making a live cd is more complicated than what you need Waceman, rather go for backups
[08:33] <Waceman> ok
[08:34] <kbmonkey> linux is nice because you can literally clone your hard drive bit-by-bit to a file, and restore it just the same as if nothing happened
[08:34] <Kilos> yeah kbmonkey but its the trying to get away from broadband thats important
[08:34] <Waceman> kbmonkey: how do I do this backup? ;)
[08:34] <kbmonkey> lets see Waceman 
[08:35] <Kilos> you get spare drive Waceman 
[08:35] <Kilos> external maybe
[08:35] <kbmonkey> do you have a external drive with space equals to your disk
[08:35] <Kilos> lol
[08:35] <Waceman> yup
[08:35] <kbmonkey> lol
[08:35] <Kilos> rsync
[08:35] <Kilos> what is on the external
[08:36] <Waceman> data ;)
[08:36] <Kilos> what does thepc see the drive as
[08:37] <Kilos> i have got the command to suit my external
[08:38] <Kilos> sudo rsync -av /var/cache/apt/archives/ /media/storage/packs/
[08:38] <Kilos> made a storage partition on the external
[08:39] <Kilos> that will save all the packages you have downloaded so far
[08:39] <Kilos> then a smallish partition called backup
[08:41] <Kilos> sudo rsync -av /home/ /media/backup/home/
[08:41] <Kilos> i hope i havent missed anything
[08:41] <Kilos> lemme just connect external and check
[08:42] <Waceman>  ok thanks
[08:43] <Kilos> i think you have to manually make the packs and the home folders on the external then just give the right paths
[08:43] <Kilos> yw
[08:44] <Kilos> maybe you can just make home and packs folders on the external without partitioning the external
[08:44] <Kilos> should be able to and then just put the right path in the command
[08:45] <Kilos> then when you clean install again you reverse the commands and run sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:47] <Kilos> i ran sudo apt-get dist-upgrade as well i think
[08:47] <Kilos> then you should have you system close to what it was before
[08:57]  * kbmonkey is back
[08:57] <Kilos> kbmonkey, wb
[08:58] <kbmonkey> Waceman, dd is a command that copies to and from disks and files
[08:59] <Kilos> i gave him rsync kb
[08:59] <kbmonkey> no
[08:59] <Kilos> didnt you see
[08:59] <kbmonkey> rsync synchronizes two directories
[08:59] <kbmonkey> i saw, but not recommended
[08:59] <Kilos> ok i show you what i gave him
[09:00] <Kilos> sudo rsync -av /var/cache/apt/archives/ /media/storage/packs/
[09:00] <Kilos> to save all downloaded packages
[09:00] <Kilos> sudo rsync -av /home/ /media/backup/home/
[09:00] <kbmonkey> why only downloaded packages? he needs to backup his entire system
[09:00] <Kilos> and that for home backup
[09:01] <Kilos> that first one copies everything in cache
[09:01] <Kilos> archives i mean
[09:01] <Kilos> the after new install you reverse the commands and update upgrade
[09:02] <kbmonkey> and what about root / ?
[09:02] <kbmonkey> the system files
[09:03] <Kilos> i dunno
[09:03] <Kilos> did it here and only used data to get update
[09:03] <Kilos> between 20 and 40m i think it was
[09:03] <kbmonkey> because if the system files change, you need to backup those too ;)
[09:04] <Kilos> i suppose you can rsync root too
[09:04] <Kilos> never done that
[09:04] <kbmonkey> not quite, /proc /sys and /dev are special files
[09:04] <kbmonkey> it works, but you need to know how to handle those
[09:04] <Kilos> does the dd command do all that
[09:05] <kbmonkey> but for one command that clones your drive to a file, dd is king
[09:05] <kbmonkey> rsync was used to tape backups, home files etc
[09:05] <Kilos> ok look at my command and make it a dd command and i try that next time i install
[09:06] <kbmonkey> is it ubuntuforums.com or .org?
[09:07] <kbmonkey> you can clone your entire drive, reformat, install a completely new OS, and at the end of the day, restore your cloned drive like nothing has changed
[09:07] <kbmonkey> I'll find a good link... :D
[09:07] <Waceman> kewl :)
[09:08] <Kilos> ok give the command
[09:08] <Kilos> full command with path to my external
[09:08] <kbmonkey> rsync is great to backup /home because it only copies files that changed, so it's quick. dd takes longer, but it's more failsafe
[09:08] <Waceman> I found a page on dd
[09:09] <Waceman> but I don't really want to back up and restore 120GBs
[09:09] <kbmonkey> rsync you need to consider file ownerships and permissions. dd just copies everything as is
[09:09] <kbmonkey> oh, is your / not on it's own partition?
[09:10] <Kilos> i only used dd once to clean everything off a drive with faulty boot sector and make it like a new drive
[09:10] <kbmonkey> I dd my 120gb often, lol
[09:10] <Kilos> whew
[09:11] <Waceman> I have nothing on my system... the only cost is time... to re install it from the CD... and then Bandwidth to download all the updates (about 150mb)
[09:11] <kbmonkey> how many hard drives in your machine wace? you can backup to a second hard disk, much quicker
[09:12] <Kilos> rsync will save the bandwidth
[09:12] <kbmonkey> yes thats where Kilos's cmd saves bandwidth! the right tool for right job :D
[09:13] <kbmonkey> give us the link to that rsync page you found?
[09:13] <Kilos> i dont use more than 40m for the sudo apt-get update
[09:13] <Kilos> man rsync
[09:13] <Kilos> i got it all from inetpro
[09:14] <Kilos> i didnt know how to work out the paths
[09:14] <Kilos> or what must go where
[09:14] <Kilos> and the rsync of home even remembers you contacts in pidgin and evolution etc
[09:15] <Kilos> works very kiff
[09:16] <Kilos> there is also a backup tool called dejadup
[09:16] <Kilos> but the rsyncs of home and archives works kiff
[09:17] <kbmonkey> it sounds like he wants to try system changes, so needs a system backup, not just a data backup
[09:18] <Kilos> oh
[09:18] <Kilos> i dunno if the others use home
[09:18] <Kilos> only used ubuntu
[09:19] <kbmonkey> others?
[09:19] <Kilos> like mint or centOS etc
[09:20] <Kilos> other distros
[09:20] <kbmonkey> Waceman http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/ddcommand.htm
[09:20] <kbmonkey> see how to do a full hard disk copy
[09:20] <kbmonkey> you can also only copy a partition, so if your / is separate you can only backup that
[09:21] <kbmonkey> be warned, double check your commands! :)
[09:21] <Waceman> kbmonkey: someone on the Ubuntu channel said I should have everything with ubuntu in it uninstalled
[09:22] <Waceman> I only had nvidia-common and modeliasis - which as far as the descriptions read, say it's for detecting which card I have and finding the right drivers...
[09:22] <Waceman> so I've removed them all. .and I'm tempted to install the 71xx drivers again... but if it doesn't work, then I have to reformat everything
[09:23] <Kilos> eish
[09:23] <Waceman> sorry, ^^ everything with nVidia uninstalled
[09:24] <Kilos> ah
[09:24] <Kilos> whew
[09:25] <Kilos> Waceman, when you boot do you get options to do recovery
[09:25] <Waceman> ya, "graphical safe mode"
[09:25] <Kilos> you can do recovery from an earlier on
[09:25] <kbmonkey> see that link Waceman, that will backup/restore your entire disk
[09:25] <kbmonkey> do it over night, from a live CD, to an external
[09:25] <kbmonkey> then you can try the 71xx drivers :)
[09:26] <kbmonkey> if it breaks, boot the live Cd again, and restore your system to before
[09:26] <Waceman> quicker to just redo everything ;)
[09:27] <kbmonkey> use the bs=8M option, to copy chunks of 8MB
[09:27] <Waceman> this installer says I must remove nouveau 
[09:28] <kbmonkey> brb
[09:28] <Kilos> maybe nouveau conflicts
[09:28] <Waceman> ya I think it does
[09:29] <Kilos> how did you remove nvidia 
[09:32] <Waceman> with synaptic
[09:33] <Kilos> do you have aptitude installed
[09:34] <Kilos> i use the aptitude purge command
[09:34] <Waceman> oooh awwww... I'm removing some nouveau thing and it seems to be wiping out my entire system....
[09:34] <Kilos> ok my desktop
[09:35] <Kilos> lo SubOracle wb
[09:36] <kbmonkey> Waceman when you remove a package and it tells you 'we need to remove these too', make sure 'ubuntu-desktop' is not in the list!
[09:37] <Waceman> lol - this is going to be dramatic!
[09:37] <Kilos> yeah i done that too. very frightening
[09:39] <Kilos> Waceman, can you get a terminal if you ctrl+alt+f2
[09:39] <Waceman> ya... still uninstalling everything. I don't want to interrupt it
[09:40] <Kilos> ok if screen blank afterwards get in terminal and install ubuntu-desktop
[09:40] <Waceman> ok thanks
[09:41] <Kilos> geez kbmonkey thats frightening when the desktop disappears like that hey
[09:41] <Kilos> have you done it
[09:42] <Waceman> whoooopa! There goes the desktop
[09:42] <kbmonkey> not that I remember, but I probably did worse lol
[09:43] <Kilos> lol
[09:43] <kbmonkey> ... and that is why you read what dialogs tells you, _especially_ when running commands as ROOT!
[09:43] <Kilos> i have done it twice in synaptic by just glancing through what synaptic says it must remove
[09:44] <Waceman> what's that full command Kilos: ubuntu-desktop?
[09:44] <Kilos> yeah i have learned the hard way
[09:44] <kbmonkey> I don't use synaptic, because it hides that list of items from initial view
[09:44] <Waceman> now it wants to download like 100mbs
[09:44] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[09:44] <Waceman> that's what I did
[09:44] <Kilos> oh my
[09:45] <kbmonkey> Waceman it probably needs to download because installing from the CD does not cache the setup files on your PC
[09:45] <Waceman> reformat
[09:45] <kbmonkey> do you have the CD?
[09:45] <Waceman> yes
[09:45] <Kilos> does it not use the packages in the archives?
[09:45] <Waceman> gonna reboot and reinstall
[09:45] <Waceman> dunno
[09:45] <kbmonkey> kewl :)
[09:45] <Kilos> whew
[09:45] <kbmonkey> apt-cdrom can add the cd to your archives
[09:45] <Kilos> Waceman, did you do the rsyncs to external
[09:46] <kbmonkey> but just reinstall if you keen :)
[09:46] <Waceman> nope ;)
[09:46] <Kilos> eish
[09:46] <kbmonkey> you have no files on that install anyway right?
[09:46] <Kilos> always save all packages then you dont need to download them again
[09:46] <kbmonkey> where do they live again Kilos ?
[09:47] <Kilos> pta
[09:47] <kbmonkey> /var/cache/apt/archives?
[09:47] <Kilos> ya thats it
[09:47] <kbmonkey> wow I have 880MB of archives! o_O
[09:47] <Kilos> save all of that with the rsync command
[09:47] <Kilos> saves stacks
[09:48] <Kilos> i got 2g
[09:48] <Kilos> half are unneccesary i suppose but at least they dont need to be downloaded again
[09:48] <kbmonkey> if I get hold of the repos Kilos i'll send them to you on dvd ;)
[09:49] <Kilos> ty kbmonkey 
[09:49] <Kilos> will get my sons pc to install them with
[09:49] <Kilos> do you know the link to get the repos
[09:50] <Kilos> then ian can get them at work
[09:50] <Kilos> i dont have a dvdrom on here pc too slow
[09:51] <kbmonkey> i don't, check ubuntu wiki they tell you where to get them
[09:51] <Kilos> but ian comes to visit every few months and if he can get the link to get the repos then it wont cost at all
[09:51] <kbmonkey> ftp.is.co.za more than likely mirrors it, as Symmetria 
[09:52] <Kilos> i looked but cant figure out what to get
[09:54] <Kilos> there nothing saying repos
[09:55] <Kilos> its a site for clever guys
[09:55] <Kilos> but you paying for bandwidth so dont use it for repos. there aremany gigs one never uses
[09:57] <kbmonkey> you probably looking in the wrong place. its just like being an investigator, P.I. Kilos on the job!
[09:57] <kbmonkey> search the wiki.ubuntu
[09:57] <Kilos> lol ya but its data gone everytime you change pages so i couldnt get the right link
[09:58] <kbmonkey> whose data?
[09:59] <Kilos> mine while trying to find the repos so i could give ian the right link
[10:00] <kbmonkey> sorry I don't understand what you mean :)
[10:00] <Kilos> like if you go look for the repos
[10:00] <Kilos> what you want isnt on the first page
[10:08] <kbmonkey> I'm still confused what you mean Kilos, sorry
[10:08] <kbmonkey> perhaps google can help you?
[10:08] <Kilos> i wanted to give him the link directly to repo download as he hasnt got time at work to look through strange stuff
[10:09] <Kilos> google not my friend
[10:09] <Kilos> lol
[10:11] <kbmonkey> arg, why does ftp say illegal port command when I ls :(
[10:12] <kbmonkey> sorry Kilos I cant help you because my ftp is being a little naf
[10:12] <Kilos> np kbmonkey ty
[10:12] <kbmonkey> try ftp into ftp.is.co.za they should have the repo mirror there
[10:13] <kbmonkey> there's no single file download afaik
[10:13] <kbmonkey> its more a collection of files 
[10:13] <Kilos> will get ian to stay after work one night and try figure it out
[10:13] <kbmonkey> just ftp them, its easy
[10:13] <Kilos> ftp?
[10:14] <kbmonkey> then you use one of the apt- commands to add them to your local archives
[10:14] <kbmonkey> Maaz define ftp
[10:14] <Maaz> kbmonkey: ftp \ftp\, FTP \FTP\([e^]f`t[=e]*p[=e]"), prop. v. t. [imp. & p. p. {ftp'd} or {FTP'd} ([e^]f`t[=e]*p[=e]d"); p. pr. & vb. n. {FTPing} or {ftp'ing} or {ftp-ing} ([e^]f`t[=e]*p[=e]"[i^]ng).] [acronym from File Transfer Protocol.] (Computers) To send from one computer to another by means of the standard file transfer protocol (ftp); as, he ftp'd me the file yesterday. [acronym]  Note: The participle forms have not been standardized,
[10:14] <Kilos> oh my
[10:15] <kbmonkey> wow there is more pronunciation than explanation. thanks maaz
[10:15] <Kilos> lol
[10:15] <kbmonkey> if you type ftp
[10:15] <kbmonkey> you can connect to a remote pc and transfer files to/from it
[10:16] <Kilos> but voda will still use data
[10:16] <Kilos> now im lost
[10:16] <kbmonkey> sure
[10:16] <kbmonkey> but is hosts mirrors via ftp protocol
[10:16] <Kilos> you mean ian must ftp it
[10:17] <kbmonkey> im just saying this so ian knows where to look
[10:17] <Kilos> but he on win7
[10:17] <kbmonkey> ask ubuntu
[10:17] <kbmonkey> no probs :)
[10:18] <Kilos> 2 years ago a guy got me 20g of repos from a varsity in pta
[10:18] <Kilos> dunno how he did it
[10:18] <Kilos> took all for karmic i think it was
[10:19] <Kilos> didnt need to do file by file
[10:19] <kbmonkey> file by file? no need for that, ftp can copy all files at once
[10:20] <Kilos> aw wacedied
[10:20] <Kilos> will ask ian to look at that site ty kbmonkey hopefully he can work it out for ocelot repos
 where do they live again Kilos ?
[10:23] <Kilos> whose they
[10:43] <Kilos> ill be back tonight. be good guys
[11:26]  * nlsthzn is an id 10 t
[11:27] <kbmonkey> error
[11:27] <kbmonkey> PEBKAC error
[11:28] <kbmonkey> can't be as bad as RIM going down for days ;D
[12:53] <Guest6837> what is ubuntu?
[13:07] <nlsthzn> :)
[13:10] <bakuman> now Guest6837 will never know
[14:15] <Kilos> Waceman, you winning
[14:15] <Kilos> ?
[14:15] <Waceman> Hey Kilos... I was installing 10.04 again and on 90% got another power failure... Then went to my gran for lunch ;p
[14:15] <Waceman> so now I'm on 58% ;)
[14:16] <Kilos> eish
[14:16] <Kilos> grans always make lekker chow
[14:18] <Waceman> haha indeed!
[14:21] <Waceman> She said I needed to deb that .run file and then modulise the linux headers to a kernel  version of 2.6xx and then use the defibulator to expand the inner vortex of the millenial quantum division... i.e., throw the pc out the window
[14:22] <Kilos> lol
[14:23] <Kilos> just run if with default graphics
[14:23] <Waceman> bingo!  haha
[14:23] <Waceman> I think that's been the solution all along...
[14:24] <Kilos> and you running 10.04 on your other pc too hey?
[14:25] <Waceman> I've got a laptop and and a pc... laptop is this one, it's got 11.04 on it.. it flies! pc is the old beast, with 10.04 being installed on it
[14:25] <Kilos> ah
[14:26] <Waceman> The only thing that pulls me back to windows is Office... but I'm sure you can run that with wine right?
[14:26] <Kilos> whats wrong with libreoffice
[14:26] <Waceman> eish, it's ugly ;)
[14:26] <Kilos> or openoffice
[14:27] <Waceman> ok boet, I'm going for a run.. chat soon!
[14:27] <Kilos> lol what do you do with office
[14:27] <Kilos> cheers
[14:33]  * bakuman hates libre + openoffice as well
[16:25] <Kilos> evening all
[16:26] <bakuman> hi
[16:26]  * bakuman hates libre + openoffice as well
[16:26] <Kilos> oh my
[16:26] <bakuman> office + wine
[16:27] <bakuman> it takes long so open and the spreadsheet is useless
[16:27] <Kilos> then you have to have the ms office cd hey?
[16:27] <bakuman> yea
[16:28] <bakuman> but al least it works
[16:28] <Kilos> and its so cheap
[16:29] <Kilos> i actually have 2003 and 2007 here on external but never use office
[16:29] <Kilos> thats for clever pepeps
[16:29] <Kilos> peeps
[16:29] <Kilos> and office jacks
[16:30] <bakuman> i got office 2010 for R200, but havent installed it yet
[16:30] <Kilos> and businessmen as well i suppose
[16:30] <bakuman> i use latex mostly now anyway
[16:33] <Kilos> if i disappear donder and bliksem killed me
[16:33] <Kilos> or vodacom at least
[16:34] <Kilos> better get some coffee quick
[16:34] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[16:34]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[16:34] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee for all
[16:34] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already
[16:38] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[16:38]  * bakuman sluit nader om die koffie te steel
[16:38]  * bakuman gryp die koffie en hardloop
[17:04] <nuvolari> o/ howdy
[17:06]  * nuvolari sit bakuman agterna en steel die koffie terug
[17:07] <bakuman> too bad dis al lankal op..
[17:07] <bakuman> of is dit...
[17:08]  * bakuman hardloop verder bet die regte koffie wat onder sy baadjie weg gesteek was
[17:09] <nuvolari> lol
[17:09] <nuvolari> ok fine! ek sal maar my roomys eet
[17:10] <bakuman> :(
[17:10] <nuvolari> ek kan dit deel as jy die koffie sal deel?
[17:12] <bakuman> ok... :\
[17:49] <Kilos> long power off
[17:54] <inetpro> yikes
[17:54] <inetpro> julle ouens praat hond uit 'n bos uit
[17:54] <Kilos> lo inetpro 
[17:54] <inetpro> goeienaand Kilos
[17:54] <inetpro> and good evening everyone else
[17:54] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[17:54]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[17:55] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[17:55] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[17:56] <Waceman> Kilos: Coffee Plz
[17:56] <Kilos> lol
[17:56] <Kilos> ask maaz man
[17:56] <Kilos> he the coffee bot
[17:56] <Waceman> guess what... I removed all nvidia drivers... and nouveau, and restart and my screen boots into a higher resolution
[17:56] <Kilos> hurry Waceman you get 4 mins then you too late
[17:57] <inetpro> sjoe
[17:57] <Kilos> wow
[17:57] <Waceman> Maaz, coffee please
[17:57] <Maaz> Waceman: Done
[17:57] <Waceman> using nv driver set
[17:57] <Kilos> is that old driver installed Waceman 
[17:57] <Waceman> not 3D support though
[17:57] <nuvolari> ah, people r back
[17:57] <Waceman> that old driver still didn't work
[17:57] <Waceman> I don't think there's support for it
[17:57] <Kilos> lo nuvolari 
[17:58]  * nuvolari skep vir bakuman roomys in en wag vir sy koffie
[17:58] <nuvolari> :P
[17:58] <nuvolari> hallo oom kilos!
[17:58] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro, Kilos and Waceman!
[17:59] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks man
[17:59] <Maaz> Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)
[17:59] <inetpro> Maaz: thanks
[17:59] <Maaz> inetpro: Okay :-)
[17:59] <inetpro> Kilos: hoe gaan dit?
[18:00] <Kilos> goed dankie inetpro en daar
[18:00] <inetpro> hmm... been a busy weekend so far
[18:01] <inetpro> will need the week to rest so I can be ready for the next one
[18:02] <Kilos> lol
[18:02] <Kilos> thats a change
[18:03] <inetpro> Kilos: heh, way to much rush in life, time to slow down
[18:04] <nuvolari> ditto. for me, time to slow down and get a lady
[18:04] <Kilos> lol
[18:08] <nuvolari> :-/ unfortunately it sounds easier than it is for me
[18:11] <Kilos> life can be hard on a single man
[18:16] <Kilos> Waceman, then just leave it on default
[18:16] <Waceman> yeah I think that's the best
[18:16] <Kilos> or invest in a graphics card if you really want it better\
[18:16] <Kilos> as i say my card is older than yours  but you get used to things a bit slow
[18:17] <Kilos> your lappy is spoiling you
[18:17] <Kilos> you should try a p3 with 512m ram and gprs
[18:18] <Kilos> will slow things down a bit for you
[19:23] <Kilos> sigh power failures suck
[19:25] <bakuman> :(
[19:26] <Kilos> maybe nother one coming. raining quite hard
[19:26] <Kilos> inetpro, reen dit daar ook
[19:27] <Kilos> i didnt even get to drink my coffee and the power died
[19:27] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[19:27]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[19:28] <Kilos> Maaz, hurry
[19:28] <Maaz> Hey! Kilos Patience is a virtue, 
[19:28] <Kilos> Maaz, virtue
[19:28] <Maaz> Virtue is a grace
[19:28] <Kilos> Maaz, grace
[19:28] <Maaz> A naughty little brat that would'nt wash her face
[19:30] <inetpro> Kilos: klaar gereen hier
[19:31] <Kilos> aan en af hier en elke keer wat die weerlig klap gaan die krag af
[19:31] <Kilos> grrr
[19:31] <inetpro> eish
[19:31] <inetpro> ons het Vrydag aand deurgeloop
[19:31] <Kilos> how lyk jou groente
[19:31] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[19:32] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[19:32] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[19:32] <inetpro> Kilos: die groente lyk pragtig
[19:32] <Kilos> mielies ook
[19:32] <Kilos> ??
[19:32] <inetpro> Kilos: groener as wanneer ek ureum gooi
[19:33] <Kilos> reen is selle ding
[19:33] <Kilos> stikstof
[19:33] <inetpro> yep, te lekker
[19:33] <Kilos> hoe like die mielies wat geslaan was
[19:33] <Kilos> ??
[19:33] <Kilos> lyk
[19:33] <inetpro> nee wat, alles weer mooi
[19:34] <Kilos> mooi
[19:34] <inetpro> die mielies was darem nog klein
[19:34] <inetpro> groei vinnig daar uit
[19:34] <Kilos> ek bly vir jou
[19:35] <inetpro> net die wind was so bietjie erg Vrydag nag
[19:35] <Kilos> ja baie
[19:35] <inetpro> baie bloeisels en klein vruggies uitgedun
[19:36] <inetpro> avokados, neute en litjies
[19:36] <Kilos> eish
[19:36] <inetpro> maar miskine goed so
[19:36] <inetpro> miskien
[19:36] <Kilos> lol
[19:36] <Kilos> nee man avos is nooit genoeg nie
[19:37] <inetpro> minder vrugte beteken groter vrugte
[19:37] <Kilos> gewoonlik ja
[19:37] <inetpro> en gesonder 
[19:37] <inetpro> net die sterkes bly oor
[19:37] <Kilos> survival of the fittest
[19:38] <inetpro> net so
[19:38] <Kilos> famielie almal gesond daar?
[19:38] <inetpro> mag nie kla nie
[19:38] <Kilos> mooi
[19:39] <inetpro> net die kar wat so bietjie siek is en my moed in my skoene laat sak
[19:39] <Kilos> eish
[19:39] <inetpro> gasket geblaas, valves los, ens, ens
[19:39] <Kilos> eina
[19:40] <inetpro> ag wat, daar's 'n ou wat weet hoe om die ding weer piekfyn te kry
[19:41] <inetpro> die wet van transvaal is ongelukkig nog hier om te bly
[19:41] <Kilos> ja
[19:42] <Kilos> en murphy is nooit ver nie
[19:42] <inetpro> weet nie hoekom het hulle hom nie getransformeer nie
[19:42] <Kilos> as dit kan verkeerd loop , sal dit
[19:42] <Kilos> ons moet die vent slag
[19:42] <inetpro> vir seker
[19:42] <Kilos> hehe
[19:47] <inetpro> Kilos: hier begin dit nou weer reen
[19:48] <Kilos> ons het die water nodig
[19:48] <Kilos> dit was darem droog gewees
[19:48] <inetpro> baie
[19:51] <Kilos> lo Guest3987 
[20:12] <nuvolari> Kilos: oom, you musnt scare them off
[20:12] <nuvolari> :P
[20:12] <Kilos> who nuvolari 
[20:12] <Kilos> oh lol
[20:12] <Kilos> wb Waceman 
[20:13] <nuvolari> o/ g'night
[20:13] <Waceman> thanks
[20:14] <Kilos> night nuvolari 
[20:26] <bakuman> :(
[20:26] <Kilos> wassup bakuman 
[20:27] <bakuman> finishing up report, wil probably finish at about 03:00
[20:27] <Kilos> ouch
[20:28] <bakuman> yea, has to be in at 12:00 tomorrow
[20:28] <Kilos> good luck
[20:29] <Kilos> drink lotsa coffee so you dont fall asleep
[20:32] <bakuman> haha yea
[20:34] <Kilos> night all sleep tight
[21:39] <nlsthzn> Night all (those still awake :p)