[01:20] <GridCube> well :P
[01:21] <GridCube> i think this last structure of the database is pretty cool, tho the specs table needs work http://imagebin.org/181483
[18:37] <joeC1> .
[18:44] <knome> joeC1, ?
[19:20] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings updated
[19:33] <madnick> I never understood what "blueprints" are in this context
[20:07] <knome> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-team
[20:07] <knome> for example
[20:12] <madnick> okay :)
[20:14] <knome> proposed specifications
[20:14] <knome> one could say
[20:14] <GridCube> I think is weird the use of "blueprints", but i guess thats because im not a native speaker
[20:23] <ochosi> hi everyone
[20:23] <ochosi> i'm currently workin on theming the datetime plugin a bit for 12.04
[20:23] <ochosi> this is where i'm at: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-10302011-091547pm.php
[20:24] <GridCube> thats nice
[20:24] <GridCube> but whats that grey triangle?
[20:24] <ochosi> that's a resize-grip
[20:24] <ochosi> :/
[20:26] <GridCube> calendar has resize?
[20:27] <ochosi> it's ubuntu's stupid default setting
[20:27] <ochosi> resize-grip in *every* window
[20:27] <GridCube> i see
[20:27] <GridCube> question: why the default clock need two clics to open orage?
[20:30] <GridCube> ochosi, if you make that white border a little more grey it would look better imho
[20:34] <ochosi> GridCube: currently working on removing border and resize-grip
[20:35] <GridCube> :)
[20:53] <ochosi> GridCube: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-10302011-095152pm.php
[20:54] <GridCube> much better
[20:54] <GridCube> can't you force the triangle to be black?
[20:55] <GridCube> or the same dark grey?
[20:56] <GridCube> also plug your computer, your batery is runing out
[20:56] <ochosi> hehe
[20:57] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-10302011-095653pm.php
[20:57] <ochosi> there you go :)
[20:57] <GridCube> :D awesome
[20:57] <GridCube> you still need to plug your computer tho
[20:58] <mr_pouit> maybe he uses a netbook, so there's still 1h30 left ;-)
[20:58] <GridCube> the triangle stills there buts grey? or just not there anymore
[20:58] <ochosi> GridCube: removed the triangle (*and* plugged in my ac-adapter ;) )
[20:58] <mr_pouit> GridCube: not there (the triangle comes from an ubuntu specific patch of gtk2 anyway)
[20:59] <GridCube> oh
[20:59] <ochosi> i think the next thing i'll do is flat terminals
[20:59] <GridCube> :D
[20:59] <ochosi> mr_pouit: i know you use something different, but have you got any opinion on that?
[21:00] <mr_pouit> I'm not sure what that means actually :p
[21:00] <ochosi> screenshot coming up...
[21:01] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-10302011-100111pm.php
[21:02] <ochosi> obviously the scrollbar would have to be fixed
[21:03] <GridCube> oh! :D i asked you to do that once
[21:03] <ochosi> yeah i know, there were a few people asking about it
[21:03] <GridCube> :P
[21:03] <ochosi> so i'm considering doing it now
[21:03] <ochosi> especially since a few people complained about the dark scrollbar
[21:03] <GridCube> i think its pretty cool
[21:04] <GridCube> :D
[21:04] <mr_pouit> oh, interesting
[21:04] <GridCube> it would look better on albatross tho :P
[21:05] <GridCube> or if font where "embossed"like the titlebar
[21:05] <mr_pouit> but greybird is teh future :P
[21:05] <GridCube> :P
[21:05] <ochosi> :)
[21:05] <GridCube> it would be like working on an aluminium plate :P
[21:06] <ochosi> yeah, the font-effect could be set specifically for the terminal
[21:06] <GridCube> say ochosi what color is this grey on RGB?
[21:07] <ochosi> GridCube: #cecece
[21:12] <GridCube> ochosi, http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/capturadepantalla-301011-181049.php
[21:12] <GridCube> :P
[21:13] <ochosi> mmm
[21:15] <GridCube> ochosi, why i don't see the dots arrows on the desplacement(?) bars?
[21:15] <GridCube> s/desplacement/scroll/
[21:16] <ochosi> i removed them from greybird in one of the later revisions
[21:16] <ochosi> they're only there on firefox and openoffice
[21:17] <GridCube> yes
[21:17] <GridCube> :/ why?
[21:18] <ochosi> it didn't work so well with the changed scrollbar-stlye
[21:19] <ochosi> style
[21:26] <GridCube> ochosi, http://es.zimagez.com/zimage/thing2.php
[21:26] <GridCube> that thing appears where the pseudo dock is
[21:26] <ochosi> right, i guess it's its "shadow"
[21:27] <ochosi> i don't use the launcher-panel atm so i can't check
[21:27] <ochosi> what you can do is set alpha transparency to 100% on leave
[21:30] <GridCube> oh
[21:30] <GridCube> that fixed it
[21:30] <GridCube> :D
[21:30] <GridCube> if what i did is what you told me to do
[21:30] <GridCube> :P
[21:31] <ochosi> :)
[21:44] <ochosi> terminal theming update: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-10302011-104356pm.php
[21:44] <ochosi> mr_pouit: so, do you now have an opinion on "flat terminals"? ^
[21:46] <mr_pouit> yeah, they look great
[21:49] <knome> mr_pouit, can we create a new image-posting website for the xfce-screenshooter in xubuntu?
[21:50] <knome> xubuntu-shots.org
[21:50] <knome> :P
[21:50] <ochosi> that'd be awesome
[21:50] <ochosi> but who pays for the storage? :)
[21:50] <knome> that would be awesome, not only for the users, but also for use, since we would see the variety of desktops
[21:50] <knome> sabdfl?
[21:50] <knome> :P
[21:50] <ochosi> lol
[21:50] <knome> just set up with a REALLY crappy hosting
[21:50] <knome> it doesn't need to work 24/7
[21:51] <knome> and it doesn't matter if we hit the upload/download limits
[21:51] <knome> even a homeserver would go, if you ask me
[21:51] <knome> if it'd only work most of the time
[21:51] <ochosi> knome: any opinion about the flat terminals?
[21:51] <knome> ochosi, they look good, though i'm not particularly fond of the grey bg
[21:52] <knome> (i like my terminal black)
[21:52] <knome> but yeah, it doesn't mean one shouldn't implement that or that it'd look bad
[21:52] <ochosi> knome: hm, not sure there's a way to do that. unless you wanna drop the window-borders :)
[21:52] <knome> i don't
[21:52] <knome> i'm waiting for darkgreybird
[21:52] <knome> :P
[21:53] <knome> that would be just awesome, not only because the termianl
[21:53] <knome> *terminal
[21:53] <ochosi> yeah, guess that's gonna take a little longer
[21:54] <knome> sure
[21:54] <ochosi> tbh the development time has increased a lot since gtk3 was added to the palette
[21:54] <knome> if gtk3 wasn't there, i'd just rush for darkgreybird
[21:54] <ochosi> to have a "complete" theme we'd at least need: xfwm, gtk2, gtk3, xfce-notifyd
[21:54] <knome> as in just creating loads of images quickly
[21:54] <knome> and see how that looks
[21:55] <knome> i'd be willing to do some experimenting with xfwm stuff soonish
[21:55] <ochosi> another question is: how dark should it be. i mean albatross isn't even *that* dark
[21:55] <ochosi> i'd personally go for something like NOX
[21:55] <ochosi> hm, i guess for now i'd just port the current window-borders to a dark theme
[21:56] <knome> i'd just actually use the greybird gtk2/3
[21:56] <knome> like albatross
[21:56] <knome> dark/light theme
[21:57] <GridCube> knome, :P we can always use madnick's servers 
[21:57]  * GridCube hides
[21:57] <knome> and yeah, it could be something like nox, or even darker
[21:57] <knome> GridCube, ha
[22:09] <ochosi> terminal update: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-10302011-110907pm.php
[22:09] <knome> mr_pouit, http://xubuntu.org/mission
[22:09] <knome> mr_pouit, we *did* say Xfce on our website!!!
[22:09] <knome> mr_pouit, that page is just not linked to from anywhere...
[22:10] <mr_pouit> ;-)
[22:11] <ochosi> think i'll test these terminal settings for a while and probably push them later
[22:11] <ochosi> if any of you want to try/test them as well let me know
[22:11] <ochosi> i can either push them to a testing-branch or pastebin it
[22:21] <knome> pleia2, http://wiki.knome.fi/xubuntu:websitetodo updated
[22:22]  * pleia2 looks
[22:22] <pleia2> just checked in to UDS hotel, bumped into charlie on my way in :)
[22:22] <knome> hehe
[22:23] <knome> hopefully neither of you hurt yourself while bumping
[22:23] <pleia2> hah
[22:29] <knome> pleia2, once you've had a look at it (no rush!!) tell me what you think
[22:29] <knome> bbl
[22:30] <pleia2> will be eaten by uds these next few days, but I'll take some time
[22:30] <pleia2> later :)
[22:37] <ochosi> GridCube: if you wanna use the datetime plugin you can add the shimmer ppa, a fixed package (without the ugly border and the resize-grip) is there (thanks to mr_pouit)
[22:38] <GridCube> ochosi, i have the ppa
[22:40] <GridCube> bbl
[22:40] <ochosi> yup, bbl
[23:32] <ochosi> btw, the terminal scrollbar also works with dark/black terminal
[23:32] <ochosi> it doesn't blend in, but it looks ok
[23:33] <GridCube> :)
[23:34] <ochosi> i finally managed to make the scrollbar-trough blend in 100% :)