[07:55] <Zaragon> Wubi questions:  I just ain't getting it.  If I read correctly, Wubi (1) installs Ubuntu inside Windows (2) installs Grub 2.  Does Ubuntu then run inside Windows...Does Windows anti-virus still operate when running Ubuntu?  On Wubi uninstall does Grub get deleted?  Does Wubi install slow Win7 down enough to bother gaming?
[08:03] <M0hi> Zaragon: Yes, Ubuntu runs inside windows like an application you install in your windows
[08:04] <M0hi> Wubi install has no direct relationship with slowing down your machine. It depends on your machine capacity to load the Ubuntu OS
[08:04] <Snicksie> not anymore as far as I know M0hi :) it installes inside the windows-installation, but you can choose at boot-time what to boot
[08:04] <M0hi> I always prefer to install separately though
[08:04] <Snicksie> not anymore just a virtual machine... :)
[08:05] <Snicksie> it adds itself to the windows boot menu :)
[08:05] <M0hi> Snicksie: Ubuntu will boot. But still Ubuntu will be like an application which you can find listed in add/remove programs. (I am not sure. I've tried it before 2 years)
[08:06] <Snicksie> 2 years ago, it was... :)
[08:06] <M0hi> Okay then. My bad ;)
[08:07] <Snicksie> i guess you can still remove it via the programs, it installs on the windows disk, but it boots completely seperately, NOT inside windows...
[08:07] <Snicksie> but still a seperate installation is preferable ;)
[08:07] <Zaragon> I have tried Ubuntu several times before....Had trouble with Logitech drivers.....Also, Wubi page mentions Grub...
[08:09] <Zaragon> Grub installed in MBR...I didn't think Win7 has MBR
[08:09] <M0hi> Windows boot loader is there though. I think you can bring Win X back after removal
[08:10] <M0hi> I am not sure as I never tried removing my *Buntus =)
[08:10] <Zaragon> It's better that way, M0hi....painful
[08:11] <Zaragon> and you can't sit down for about a week
[08:13] <M0hi> Zaragon: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-system/how-do-you-remove-ubuntu-and-grub/42d3f550-bf5f-459d-94ed-4cbadd7c933c
[08:13] <Zaragon> I read that Wubi installs to a virtual disk...I thought one needed a running OS to have those...am I wrong?
[08:14] <M0hi> Virtual disk = some space in your C drive if you are using wubi. Snicksie any explanations? :P
[08:14] <Zaragon> Thats why I was thinking Wubi, M0hi...to avoid that article
[08:15] <M0hi> But why you have to remove Ubuntu from your machine?
[08:15] <M0hi> oh! Logitech issues
[08:17] <Zaragon> 20 years of rock cllimbing toasted the joints in my hands...now I use keyboard and mouse from Logitech....very programable.....makes typing doable
[08:21] <M0hi> I can understand
[08:24] <Zaragon> Ergo, I want to see how far I can push Lolgitech with 3rd party progs available for linux...If I can't push it far enough, its useless on my machine...I would then want to get rid of it and still be able to sit down
[08:38] <Zaragon> to distill my questions......BIOS sees and mounts some drives...does it do that for virtual disks?  and could that be done from the bootloader?
[08:39] <M0hi> I hope BIOS finds the boot loader which is present before the MBR
[08:39] <M0hi> s/hope/believe
[08:40] <Zaragon> I know just enough about computers to confuse the hell out of myself
[08:41] <M0hi> he he. Its good to know something =)
[08:43] <Zaragon> well time for me to go to bed...it is getting close to 2 AM here...good night and a thank you for your assist
[08:43] <M0hi> Good night Zaragon =)
[08:44] <Snicksie> M0hi, the disk is space in the C-drive indeedd...
[08:45] <M0hi> Snicksie: I'm glad that you responded immediately after I asked that :P :P JK
[08:45] <Snicksie> sorry, busy :$
[08:45] <M0hi> he he. I was JK
[08:45] <Snicksie> im lookin' for a simple pdf-editor like my mac-pdf-editor... that one can mark inside my pdf ^^
[08:45] <Snicksie> i like that
[08:48] <M0hi> PDF Import Extension for Openoffice is there
[08:48] <M0hi> http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/pdfimport
[08:50] <Snicksie> thats too many options ^^ i only want to mark my text with a colored marker like 'this part is done' :p
[08:51] <M0hi> this channel is color disabled I believe
[08:51] <Snicksie> i guess so too, but i need to mark my pdf-text ;p
[08:51] <M0hi> Write your own extension then :P :P
[08:52] <Snicksie> when i got time -- sure
[08:52] <Snicksie> but i dont have the time now :p
[16:01] <fosburg> Looking for pdf printing application that can be installed as a printer.
[16:06] <holstein> fosburg: with openoffice, ive always just used the export as pdf option
[16:07] <holstein> i see that libreoffice has that functionality as well
[16:07] <holstein> let me google for a pdf printer for ubuntu...
[16:07] <coalwater> pdf printer?
[16:08] <coalwater> can't u just print any pdf
[16:08] <holstein> coalwater: like.. you have a document, or anything open, and you print to a virtual printer that makes a pdf out of it
[16:08] <holstein> whatever "it" is
[16:08] <holstein> its not to print, its to render a pdf... correct fosburg ?
[16:08] <holstein> and im assuming its not a document or something easy...
[16:08] <coalwater> o ok, now i get it
[16:09] <coalwater> that sounds useful
[16:09] <holstein> i have used the 'draw' portion of openoffice for that
[16:09] <holstein> libreoffice woul provide the same functionality
[16:09] <holstein> i found it to have more options for saving, resizing... whatever else
[16:09] <holstein> looks like its easy though
[16:09] <holstein> http://www.tohir.co.za/2009/06/15/installing-a-pdf-printer-on-ubuntu/
[16:10] <holstein> yeah, cups-pdf is in the repos for 11.10 fosburg
[16:10] <holstein> i would start there
[16:12] <fosburg> Most applications have the 'export to..." but I have seen changes in the look of a document bases on the application used
[16:15] <fosburg> cup-pdf--can you tell me more about this?
[16:16] <holstein> fosburg: sure... its a pdf printer
[16:17] <fosburg> how do I install?  what is the procedure?
[16:17] <holstein> you can see a screenshot at http://www.tohir.co.za/2009/06/15/installing-a-pdf-printer-on-ubuntu/
[16:17] <holstein> fosburg: i would go to whatever package manager you use typically and search 'cups-pdf'
[16:17] <fosburg> thank you
[16:18] <holstein> there are command line instructions at that link, but you can use the software center, or synaptic, or whatever you are used to using
[16:35] <fosburg> Thanks, I used 'software center' and downloaded the cups-pdf--it worked like magic and is now one of my printers.   thanks again.
[16:35] <holstein> fosburg: enjoy :)
[22:14] <marion> good evening and happy halloween
[22:15] <marion> does anyone know how i would auto mount a partition with read write permissions through fstab
[22:15] <holstein> marion: you chown it afterward
[22:16] <bodhi_zazen> marion: I know someone who wrote the book http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?&t=283131
[22:16] <bodhi_zazen> ubuntu forums style
[22:17] <bodhi_zazen> depends on the partition, chown chmod will not work on fat or vtfs
[22:18] <bodhi_zazen> and chown does not affect auto / noauto mount
[22:18] <marion> bhodi may i pm you
[22:18] <bodhi_zazen> sure