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FlippingYoda	daftykins: hi sorry was on another server... cant stop now, was playing with 11.10 but can wait cya later	00:15
Jora	hi	00:21
daftykins	Jora: hey	00:29
Jora	hows it going?	00:29
Jora	I didn't reply to your email yet.	00:29
daftykins	^_^ hehe	00:29
Jora	Must be like the middle of the night there	00:29
daftykins	don't go too quick or we'll run out of stuff to say!	00:30
daftykins	yep half midnight now	00:30
Jora	yeah!	00:30
daftykins	:D	00:30
daftykins	reading some vermont uni school paper, which i somehow got onto	00:30
Jora	Whats it about?	00:30
daftykins	just saw an interesting title hacking piece	00:31
daftykins	http://www.vermontcynic.com/	00:31
daftykins	it's in a little reader on the side	00:31
Jora	well hopefully its an interesting read and you learn something cool	00:31
daftykins	rofl, SAT cheating kids got arrested	00:32
daftykins	bit extreme	00:32
daftykins	Jora: how're things with you? or shall i wait for an email to find out :O	00:32
Jora	im fine, doing tons of laundry!	00:33
Jora	I'm going to make brownies for my last day in hell.	00:33
Jora	:D	00:34
daftykins	ooh the grand escape tomorrow eh?	00:34
Jora	No Friday	00:34
daftykins	or Friday	00:34
daftykins	aww	00:34
daftykins	sounds nice :)	00:34
Jora	Yeah	00:34
daftykins	i just watched an episode of South Park where Cartman made cupcakes and laced them with laxitive	00:34
daftykins	;)	00:34
daftykins	don't go getting any ideas!	00:34
Jora	No, not getting any ideas	00:35
Jora	Hard to believe its my last week	00:35
daftykins	how long have you been there in total	00:35
daftykins	?	00:35
Jora	3 years about	00:36
daftykins	wowzer	00:36
Jora	why is taht wowzer	00:37
Jora	Thats not that long to be there	00:37
daftykins	eh just longer than i've held a single job :)	00:37
daftykins	yeah	00:37
daftykins	i should get some parts this week to fix a client's computer i have here	00:38
Jora	You havent had a job that long?	00:38
daftykins	nah	00:38
Jora	wow	00:38
daftykins	came back from Uni, did 6 months contract IT support	00:38
daftykins	then i did November -> July teaching last	00:38
daftykins	technically i have been doing the freelance stuff for years :D	00:38
Jora	well whatever works for you	00:39
daftykins	so, feeling any nostalgia for this week?	00:40
Jora	I wish I had vacation	00:40
Jora	I mean time off, do I want to go to work tommorrow, no.	00:40
Jora	I would like to just work friday and be done	00:40
Jora	And have the rest of the week off	00:40
daftykins	=]	00:40
Jora	I have enough time to do that	00:40
Jora	but	00:41
Jora	Its not a proper 2 week notice then	00:41
daftykins	do you then go right into the new one?	00:41
Jora	maybe maybe not	00:41
Jora	Depends on how fast my drug test processes	00:41
daftykins	wow, they did urine tests?	00:42
daftykins	or rather, singular	00:42
Jora	No hair tests	00:42
daftykins	ah interesting	00:42
Jora	there are going to clip or shave off some hair from my head	00:42
daftykins	very thorough	00:43
Jora	Its the standard now I guess	00:43
Jora	Some places do tests of your body fat	00:43
daftykins	:S	00:43
Jora	For drugs	00:43
daftykins	most i've had are police checks	00:44
daftykins	due to the jobs being around kids of course	00:44
Jora	They do everything but a credit report check	00:44
daftykins	i've never had so much as a parking or speeding ticket as i've never driven :D	00:44
Jora	:D	00:48
daftykins	not so sure how i'd fare on that drug business though ;)	00:48
Jora	meh	00:50
Jora	I don't know	00:51
Jora	Im not worried since I've never done drugs	00:51
daftykins	mmm	00:51
daftykins	i'm not familiar with the tests to know	00:51
daftykins	but i think you need some pretty regular use to affect your hair	00:51
daftykins	at least in a single block of time	00:52
daftykins	i don't really go near stuff	00:52
daftykins	hmm what to do	00:53
Jora	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_test#Hair_drug_testing	00:53
daftykins	^_^	00:54
daftykins	ty	00:54
daftykins	ah-har so style/wash your hair with too many funky products and you may well affect results	00:55
daftykins	downside to my long hair i suppose, a long-range specimen :D	00:55
daftykins	oh, Vermont is in the US	00:57
daftykins	it sounded Canadian to me for some reason	00:57
Jora	hehe maybe	01:03
daftykins	hmm, need to pick out some new grips for my bike but i've got no idea what to go for :D	01:17
daftykins	g'night Jora, have a good last week o/	01:56
Jora	nite daftykins	01:57
knightwise	morning everyone.	06:48
popey	Morning!	06:53
knightwise	good morning popey	06:56
knightwise	congrats with the job at cannonical	06:56
knightwise	let your first task be to convice shuttleworth that unity is a bad choice.	06:56
knightwise	and that the standard background should always feature lolcats or pink ponies	06:56
knightwise	:)	06:57
knightwise	I shall sprout a religion in your honor if you succeed	06:57
MartijnVdS	Uhm. "sprout" it?	06:57
knightwise	MartijnVdS: i think that would be the correct term no ?	06:57
MartijnVdS	I'd say "start" or "invent"	06:58
knightwise	Sprout sounds way more Belgian :)	06:58
MartijnVdS	Brussels sprouts?	06:59
knightwise	Badabing !	06:59
MartijnVdS	Strange zuiderburen are strange ;)	06:59
knightwise	hahah :)	07:00
knightwise	tell me about the dutch !	07:00
knightwise	i work in holland , so i know how strange YOU guyz can be	07:00
MartijnVdS	We're not strange at all!	07:00
knightwise	hey Girly-Girl	07:08
GirlyGirl	knightwise: Hi	07:13
AlanBell	morning all	07:43
knightwise	hey AlanBell	07:46
rml_home	am I going to regret upgrading to 11.10?	07:47
* rml_home is in mid upgrade right now, but I absolutely need my VPN to work once it's finished		07:48
* rml_home frets		07:50
awilkins	I reall must persude my bossto let me work at home all week when the wifelet is on call.	07:50
AlanBell	rml_home: I am running it on my work laptop, it is fine. VPN works fine	07:50
awilkins	Trains are rubbish	07:51
knightwise	I read the post on lifehacker about the difference between gnome3 and unity	07:51
awilkins	So is my typing on a smartphone KB	07:51
AlanBell	rml_home: I gave up on the unity alt-tab switcher and picked one of the other compiz switchers, and I stopped the unity launcher from hiding	07:51
knightwise	conclusion was : they both suck but gnome3 sucks less	07:51
AlanBell	the unity launcher was always getting in the way of the browser back button	07:52
knightwise	i guess the gold old days of a taskbar at the bottom and being able to customise your machine .. are over	07:52
knightwise	I feel old when i think of that	07:52
AlanBell	yes, those days are over. I don't care.	07:52
awilkins	I'm irritated by the launcher not unhiding when you put the pointer top left, but that's only because I got used to the one in Natty	07:53
knightwise	AlanBell: i think i should just dive in ?	07:53
knightwise	cause even mint will be switching to gnome3	07:53
AlanBell	awilkins: yes, that annoyed me too	07:53
AlanBell	another reason to not autohide the launcher	07:53
AlanBell	I am not short of pixels	07:54
awilkins	After remapping capslock to "super" I'm happier (my keyboard has no Windows key)	07:54
rml_home	I'm currently on 10.4 and find unity a PITB. Also it seems incapable of remembering my dual screen setup for more than one or two reboots.	07:54
awilkins	rml_home, nvidia card?	07:55
rml_home	ATI	07:55
awilkins	No idea how to fix that then	07:55
MartijnVdS	Don't use the non-free driver	07:55
MartijnVdS	it should work fine with the free drivers	07:55
rml_home	me neither :) I'm hoping there has been sufficient whinging by others that it got addressed though	07:56
MartijnVdS	rml_home: file a bug, that's official whinging ;)	07:56
* rml_home nods		07:56
awilkins	I'm getting a lot of nasty crashes I think are linked to graphics.	07:58
awilkins	Vista seems to be stable, played Witcher 2 all evening	07:58
rml_home	MartijnVdS: pretty much everything I've read says "use the Catalyst driver" cos the Ubuntu ones aren't as good.	07:58
MartijnVdS	except the catalyst driver breaks every other upgrade	07:59
rml_home	MartijnVdS: has that changed?	07:59
rml_home	ah	07:59
AlanBell	UDS starts today	08:00
AlanBell	http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p	08:00
MartijnVdS	And the first announcement is out	08:01
AlanBell	do remotely attend sessions about anything that interests, and anything that annoys you :)	08:01
MartijnVdS	"Ubuntu will be for phones and tablets"	08:01
MartijnVdS	(see ArsTechnica)	08:01
knightwise	aha .. so there is a strategy behind all the unity stuff	08:01
awilkins	Well, there had to be, really	08:01
awilkins	I wonder when UbuFone will be ready for the N900 (hint! hint!)	08:02
TheOpenSourcerer	does oneiric (Unity 3d) work in VBox? I couldn't get it to run last night - was wanting to have a play with gnome shell.	08:02
AlanBell	it does	08:02
MartijnVdS	gnome's hell	08:02
awilkins	Do you need the newer guest extensions?	08:03
TheOpenSourcerer	My lappy has vbox 4.1 but the oneiric screen just goes white once it has booted.	08:04
AlanBell	install the packaged guest extensions	08:04
AlanBell	oh, not seen the white screen	08:04
TheOpenSourcerer	As soon as I pass my mouse over the oneirc window after logging in - it goes white. Unity 2d is OK.	08:05
AlanBell	virtualbox-ose-guest-x11 installed in the guest normally does it	08:05
TheOpenSourcerer	Gnome shell does the same thing	08:05
TheOpenSourcerer	tried that.	08:05
TheOpenSourcerer	NM - will have another crack tonight prolly.	08:06
AlanBell	on the laptop too, same hardware as me	08:06
TheOpenSourcerer	not important	08:06
awilkins	Don't you also have to enable 3D on the VM display?	08:06
AlanBell	oh yeah, that too	08:06
TheOpenSourcerer	awilkins: Yeah - that's done.	08:06
awilkins	Hmmph. Different graphics driver on the host would be my next suggestion.	08:07
TheOpenSourcerer	Is there anything graphene isn't useful for? http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2011/10/graphene-is-better-as-a-threesome.ars	08:08
awilkins	Graphene curtains?	08:08
TheOpenSourcerer	Should think they'd be great - very light and flexible yet strong.	08:09
awilkins	But rather transparent	08:10
TheOpenSourcerer	you could paint them.	08:11
TheOpenSourcerer	Or cover them in thin cotton ;-)	08:11
awilkins	With... quantum dot suspension. Then they'd generate electricity too. Bloody know-it-all graphene	08:11
awilkins	Graphene condoms probably turn your kids into superheroes if they have a hole in them.....	08:12
awilkins	New "Florence" album today. Hooray.	08:16
MartijnVdS	has she fixed her voice to be less whiney on this one?	08:16
MartijnVdS	or annoyingly-pitched?	08:17
awilkins	Not got a copy yet. May actually visit a ...... shop (oh, the shame of it)	08:17
TheOpenSourcerer	Get a bendy phone next year :-) http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2011/10/samsung-to-introduce-flexible-displays-in-devices-next-year.ars	08:17
MartijnVdS	Doesn't Amazon ship to your place? :P	08:17
awilkins	She is a bit Marmite, isn't she?	08:18
awilkins	Didnt know it was coming. Need cheering up. Will pay HMV immediacy premium	08:18
MooDoo	morning all	08:19
czajkowski	aloha	08:20
MooDoo	morning czajkowski how's the US?	08:21
czajkowski	nice so far	08:21
MooDoo	good good	08:21
awilkins	Florida less "turkish bath" in October?	08:21
DJones	Morning all	08:25
ali1234	what time is the UDS keynote?	08:26
ali1234	and is it streamed?	08:26
AlanBell	1PM	08:26
AlanBell	http://video.ubuntu.com/live/	08:26
ali1234	cheers	08:27
AlanBell	there will be a better quality audio stream at http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/	08:27
popey	wheeee	08:31
MartijnVdS	popey: please don't wee in the channel ;P	08:31
DJones	Yes, you'd better do that before you get on the plane	08:31
popey	choo choo	08:32
diplo	morning all	08:33
MartijnVdS	\o	08:41
TheOpenSourcerer	popey: Should you not be at work already on your first day?	08:50
czajkowski	mail sent to the lists	08:50
czajkowski	ie and uk	08:50
czajkowski	:)	08:50
czajkowski	flying the flags	08:50
MooDoo	:)	08:51
czajkowski	MooDoo: I do try as much as possible to help both teams	08:51
MooDoo	czajkowski: i know :)	08:52
popey	TheOpenSourcerer: tricky when work is in orlando	08:52
popey	and I am in the UK	08:52
TheOpenSourcerer	lol	08:52
* popey notes czajkowski doesn't proof-read her mails ☺		08:52
czajkowski	I did what did I miss....	08:53
czajkowski	:/	08:53
DJones	Just blame it on google translate :)	08:53
czajkowski	:(	08:53
popey	heh	08:53
popey	en_ie to en_gb	08:53
czajkowski	I've en_gb running	08:54
czajkowski	:)	08:54
TheOpenSourcerer	an aberrant apostrophe, and ac instead of act were two I noticed. Also a few commas would help legibility. Marks out of 10? 4	08:55
mattt	morning	08:55
* mattt is sweepy today		08:55
popey	its more that the bit in the middle assumes quite a bit of knowledge	08:55
MartijnVdS	weepy? why? :P	08:55
popey	\o/ reigate	08:56
* TheOpenSourcerer wonders what on earth popey is doing in Reigate but is somehow unsurprised.		08:56
MooDoo	reigate surrey? thought you were going to UDS popey ?	08:57
* mattt throws a slippery clog at MartijnVdS		08:57
* MooDoo needs coffee		08:57
TheOpenSourcerer	That's a great train track - Guildford to Reigate - Specially when the sun is out	08:57
TheOpenSourcerer	popey: Will be on his way to Gatwick I expect	08:57
MooDoo	ah!	08:57
popey	ya	08:57
popey	it is a very nice track	08:57
* popey tickles schwuk		08:58
sadsun	mornin	08:59
czajkowski	ohh the new area in the north terminal is NICE for BA	08:59
czajkowski	very swish	08:59
* schwuk giggles and tells popey to stop it		08:59
DJones	czajkowski: You flying business class?	09:00
czajkowski	nope	09:00
popey	hahaha	09:01
DJones	Shame	09:01
ubuntuuk-planet	[Laura Czajkowski] Taking part in UDS remotely - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/10/31/taking-part-in-uds-remotely/	09:02
DJones	Working in this industry, I'm always shocked at how much people pay for business class flights, £5-10K return	09:02
mattt	why? i always fly business class.	09:03
czajkowski	DJones: it's not as if I'm gonna sleep on the flight	09:04
mattt	kidding, i've only been bumped up once. :(	09:04
czajkowski	I usualy just read or watch movies and hey presto land	09:04
mattt	czajkowski: how long's the flight? bout 10-11 hours?	09:04
czajkowski	9.5	09:04
mattt	the last time i flew to the US, i had to sit next to a lady w/ a baby on her lap	09:04
mattt	and she even asked me to hold the baby a few times while she did this and that :(	09:05
czajkowski	ok so you had to help someone	09:05
czajkowski	shock	09:05
mattt	it was odd	09:05
* mattt looks at baby in his hands		09:05
czajkowski	there was a lovely couple who had thier 4 year old boys and a 9 week old baby who never open his mouth during the flight	09:05
mattt	yeah, this boy was good too, didn't say boo	09:05
mattt	czajkowski: our work proxy blocks your blog post :(	09:06
czajkowski	tther was a 7 year old girl who cried a lott so they fed her sweets then she threw up	09:06
mattt	haha!	09:06
popey	i put some films on my ipad for the journey	09:06
MooDoo	my rosie has a fab pair of lungs on her :S	09:06
czajkowski	MooDoo: :)	09:06
bigcalm	Morning peeps :)	09:08
jerome__	!	09:08
czajkowski	MooDoo: how old is she now ?	09:09
czajkowski	this 9 week old baby just slept and was fed and changed.	09:09
czajkowski	he wwas adorably cute	09:10
MooDoo	czajkowski: 6 weeks :)	09:10
MooDoo	czajkowski: sorry make that 7	09:10
mattt	you don't typically fly with a 6 or 7 week old, do you?	09:11
czajkowski	aww	09:11
MooDoo	mattt: i wouldn't dream of it....	09:11
czajkowski	forgot tis a bank holiday in .ie today	09:11
MooDoo	czajkowski: she's smiling now as well :D	09:11
czajkowski	MooDoo: so she doesnt cry all the time then :)	09:12
MooDoo	czajkowski: no not all the time but when she does, you know about it	09:12
mattt	wonder at what point david cameron's going to start reclaiming bank holidays	09:12
czajkowski	heh	09:12
czajkowski	mattt: and is the older one getting oon with her ?	09:13
MooDoo	!politics	09:13
lubotu3`	Please take political discussion to ##politics-uk. Thank you!	09:13
MooDoo	sorry couldn't resist :)	09:13
* mattt stares at MooDoo :/		09:13
MooDoo	hee hee :)	09:13
* mattt goes back to work		09:14
DJones	Following on from that, on twitter for Queen_UK "Looking into making Mondays illegal" :)	09:14
czajkowski	yeah ye kinda have a lot uring the summer then nothing till christmas	09:15
czajkowski	:/	09:15
bigcalm	What's the desktop calender application of choice these days? One that will sync with google apps	09:22
MartijnVdS	I just use the Google Calendar web interface	09:27
MartijnVdS	it's also synced to my phone, which goes "ding" when I have something coming up	09:28
JamesTait	Happy Hallowe'en! >:-D	09:32
MooDoo	oh yeah so it is	09:32
daubers	Morning	09:42
* daubers just booked his bike test :-s		09:43
MooDoo	daubers: awesome, :)	09:45
BigRedS	daubers: whoop!	09:45
daubers	hopefully I'll have it all done by december	09:48
MooDoo	daubers: yay, ubuntu-uk bike ride :)	09:48
daubers	heh	09:48
daubers	Bikers to Oggcamp :)	09:48
diplo	I want to do mine daubers	09:49
diplo	Doing a all in one test ?	09:49
* MooDoo did mine in 92, i'm so old		09:49
diplo	MooDoo, I should have done mine back then	09:49
daubers	diplo: No, am doing the DAS, but doing it over 2 weekends	09:49
MooDoo	:)	09:49
diplo	Taken my CBT 4 times over the years	09:49
MooDoo	was easier back then	09:49
diplo	If you don't mind, how much is it costing you daubers ?	09:52
popey	\o/ Gatwick	09:52
MooDoo	o/	09:52
popey	\o/ Blue Screen of Death on the indicator boards	09:52
daubers	diplo: Doing it through the same place I did my CBT so they've taken that off... but it's still £565 all in	09:52
diplo	:(	09:52
daubers	popey: All the boards at cairo had a warning on them saying flash player 7 had crashed :)	09:52
diplo	I'm findiong it hard to save the cash to pay for it atm	09:52
daubers	diplo: Taken me 3 months to get that together	09:52
diplo	Yeah, think more like 6-12 months for me :/	09:53
daubers	yeah, I was looking at that, but had an unexpected bonus for being awesome	09:53
schwuk	daubers: you'll love it - I did my DAS this time last year (in fact my Module 1 was a year ago tomorrow)	09:53
daubers	schwuk: I'm fretting a tad about the size of the bike, but got a days tuition before hand, so hopefully will be fine!	09:54
MooDoo	daubers: what you training on, a 125 or going for the big one straight away?	09:55
daubers	MooDoo: Going straight to a larger one. Been riding a 125 for 18 months	09:55
MooDoo	daubers: sweet :)	09:55
daubers	Hopefully try and buy a 500 next year, then in a few years time get the then equivalent of a Pan Euro :)	09:56
schwuk	daubers: I did my CBT on a 125 (obviously), then straight to a 650 for the DAS. I was struggling with the figure of eight, so borrowed my friend's Pan European (1100!) to practise on and been riding it ever since. You'll be fine. :)	09:56
daubers	schwuk: I want one :( Been to the bike show 2 years running and sat and drooled at one	09:57
MooDoo	:)	09:57
daubers	ultimate aim is to go touring round europe on a nice bike with the missus	09:57
MooDoo	sounds awesome.....	09:58
schwuk	daubers: I love it. I prefer cruisers (and will by another one next year), but this Pan has been sitting in his drive for years so we share the running costs.	09:58
MooDoo	i want a zx12 next, but it's only a pipe dream :D	09:58
schwuk	daubers: same plan here	09:58
daubers	schwuk: Heh, Ubuntu-UK goes to Europe :p	09:58
MooDoo	yay!	09:58
MooDoo	next summer we ought to meet up some where for a ride out	09:59
daubers	MooDoo: If I have a bike by then, you're on :)	09:59
MooDoo	:D	09:59
popey	ooooh	09:59
popey	'go to gate'	10:00
MooDoo	you're enjoying this aren't you popey?	10:00
popey	hah	10:00
popey	who wouldn't!	10:00
popey	ttfn	10:00
bigcalm	Have fun	10:01
DJones	Enjoy yourself	10:03
bigcalm	It's later than you think	10:03
DJones	This might be handy for Virgin & spotify users http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/42796/virgin-media-bundles-spotify-premium	10:15
MooDoo	6 months	10:16
MartijnVdS	hey that looks familiar	10:21
MartijnVdS	KPN is doing that as well over here	10:21
sadsun	what kind of deal does kpn have?	10:22
sadsun	ah we have spotify in the netherlands as well?	10:23
MartijnVdS	sadsun: you get free Spotify Premium as long as you're their customer	10:28
bigcalm	Heh	10:33
* BigRedS seems to have missed the bike talk :(		10:34
MartijnVdS	the bike talk?	10:35
MartijnVdS	is that like the birds & bees talk?	10:35
MooDoo	bigcalm: daubers is doing his test, and we're arranging ubuntu-uk bike rides ;)	10:36
BigRedS	I'm not bigcalm :)	10:36
MartijnVdS	BigRedS: you're big<Tab>!	10:36
MooDoo	rats	10:36
kirrus	So, BigRedS is just Big?	10:36
MooDoo	sorry BigRedS :)	10:36
BigRedS	MooDoo: it's alright, everyone does it	10:36
BigRedS	I think it annoys bigcalm more :)	10:36
* bigcalm eyes the channel for a moment		10:36
bigcalm	:P	10:36
MartijnVdS	even though he's the calm one!	10:37
bigcalm	I wouldn't say 'annoy' is the right term	10:37
BigRedS	haha, anyway MooDoo, road trip to fosdem?	10:38
BigRedS	well, day's ride or so if we're all on pans :)	10:38
daubers	:( Won't be able to afford a pan for a little while	10:38
MooDoo	pmsl, i'll stick to my bandit for the moment	10:39
BigRedS	hmpf. Everybody needs a pan.	10:39
daubers	BigRedS: Aim is to buy a pan (or equivalent at that point) in a couple of years	10:47
oli	a pan?	10:47
daubers	oli: http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/Manufacturers/Honda/Pan-European/	10:47
oli	I see!	10:48
andyc	Does anyone know if there's an easy way to customise an indicator applet? I want to change the volume control launched by the sound indicator applet	11:22
MartijnVdS	what do you want to change about it	11:39
andyc	I used xubuntu and it launches the xfce mixer rather than the pulseaudio volume control	11:40
andyc	s/used/use	11:41
MartijnVdS	does xfce even use indicators?	11:46
MartijnVdS	I thought it used "normal" notifications	11:47
andyc	I have an indicator applet in my panel so I assume they've been added for xubuntu	11:48
siya	Anyone aware of a replacement for xt or xtraceroute ?	11:59
siya	Looking for a way to have a visually mapped traceroute	11:59
siya	An online service to map a traceroute from text would make me equally happy right now	12:00
MartijnVdS	siya: what are you trying to accomplish that doesn't work with the text-mode traceroute?	12:01
siya	MartijnVdS, I want to see where each hop is located	12:01
siya	I'm being routed via the USA to get to a host I know is in the UK	12:02
siya	Just need to send my ISP something simple enough for their first line support	12:02
MartijnVdS	siya: so it shuold do geoip?	12:02
siya	yes	12:02
MartijnVdS	because just because the hostname says "usa" doesn't mean it's there	12:02
siya	mtr shows me the latency	12:02
siya	http://www.yougetsignal.com/ shows me some of the hops are in the US	12:03
MartijnVdS	it can be wrong too :)	12:03
MartijnVdS	what's the IP?	12:03
siya	MartijnVdS, I can see two transatlantic hops merely by looking at the RTT	12:03
MartijnVdS	also, what are you going to do about it.. routing is automated these days	12:03
siya	Contact my ISP as I had no such issue with my previous ISP	12:04
siya	There must be something wrong with the transit they're getting	12:04
MartijnVdS	it doesn't have to be wrong	12:04
MartijnVdS	it could just be cheaper	12:04
siya	I'm coming from home.geurtscass.com and going to 158.230.100.117 I know where the destination is because it's my customer in Slough...	12:05
siya	Either way I'd like to let them know that I'm unhappy about it	12:05
MartijnVdS	siya: sure but which hop is in the US according toyou	12:05
MartijnVdS	a trace from my location to both of those go direct to the UK	12:06
siya	te0-3-0-2.ccr21.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com is where my packets enter the USA	12:06
siya	0.ge-1-2-0.IL2.DCA4.ALTER.NET is the last hop in the USA	12:06
MartijnVdS	also, what's the problem with a few ms extra?	12:06
siya	idnet >> cogentco >> Alter >> uuk(?) >> customer	12:07
siya	a few msec? my ipsec vpn drops every 15 minutes or so. I see no need for introducing 170msec to my RTT, thank you very much ;)	12:08
diplo	Mine goes via US as well, 200ms response for me as well	12:09
diplo	Or via the same route :)	12:10
diplo	That alter.net is owned by Verizon	12:10
diplo	So defo US	12:11
ali1234	* * * * * /usr/bin/echo hello >> /mnt/pools/A/A0/Backups/test1.txt	12:14
ali1234	what's wrong with that?	12:14
BigRedS	does it start with whitespace?	12:15
BigRedS	I've no idea if that's a problem...	12:15
ali1234	it does yeah	12:15
ali1234	it's a cron line	12:15
ali1234	what happens it... test1.txt is created, but contains nothing	12:15
BigRedS	oh	12:15
ali1234	it should say hellohellohellohello after 4 minutes	12:16
BigRedS	yeah	12:16
rhysmorgan	Can anyone point me to some info on how to create two dhcp ranges in one dhcpd.conf?	12:17
rhysmorgan	is it just a case of creating two pools?	12:17
ali1234	ah, it's /bin/echo not /usr/bin/echo	12:17
rhysmorgan	i.e. I would like 10.016.0-10.0.17.254 && 10.0.20.0-10.0.21.254	12:18
Myrtti	hello Finland, you miserable little country >___<	12:19
AlanBell	afternoon all	12:24
MooDoo	hi AlanBell	12:25
BigRedS	ali1234: aha!	12:30
ishan	can someone help me out with ubuntu connection and updation issues?	12:30
DJones	Seeing the discussion about UEFI and HP laptops had me panic a bit yesterday, I hadn't even realised my HP laptop used UEFI, it was only when I had notification of a UEFI/bios update that I realised	12:31
BigRedS	DJones: what's the issue? Or is it just with the secured uefi	12:34
BigRedS	ishan: probably, but not without knowing what the issues are :)	12:35
DJones	BigRedS: I haven't had any issue, I just half expected the update to cause a problem, thankfully it didn't	12:35
AlanBell	DJones: did you install from the 64 bit iso?	12:35
DJones	Yes	12:35
ishan	recently installed ubuntu 11.10. i access internet through proxy, but i havent been able to update anything from the software centre but the internet works just fine... whenever i try to get some update i am able to download most of it... but then it fails showing some repository issue or package could not be downloaded	12:35
AlanBell	ishan: which package?	12:36
ishan	alanbell: well i am new to this... so dont know much...	12:36
ishan	i cant even download the codec to play media files...	12:36
oli	ishan: if you could run sudo apt-get update from the command line, you'd [probably] see a better error message.	12:37
ishan	or download synaptics package	12:37
ishan	oli: should i paste the output here?	12:37
BigRedS	does apt play nice with http proxies? Might be worth apting over ftp	12:37
AlanBell	!pastebin	12:38
lubotu3`	For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com \| To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add \| !pastebinit to paste directly from command line \| Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.	12:38
oli	ishan: if there's tons of it, stick it on... Yeah, that ^^	12:38
=== oli is now known as Oli
ishan	oli: Ign http://archive.canonical.com oneiric InRelease Ign http://extras.ubuntu.com oneiric InRelease Get:1 http://archive.canonical.com oneiric Release.gpg [198 B] Get:2 http://extras.ubuntu.com oneiric Release.gpg [72 B] Hit http://archive.canonical.com oneiric Release Hit http://extras.ubuntu.com oneiric Release Hit http://archive.canonical.com oneiric/p	12:38
ishan	W: GPG error: http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu oneiric Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com> W: GPG error: http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu oneiric-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com> W: GPG error: http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu oneiric-backports Release: The foll	12:39
ishan	E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.	12:39
AlanBell	what is iu.edu?	12:39
ishan	oli: did you get that?	12:39
Oli	One of the mirrors, I'd assume	12:40
Oli	ishan: I'd suggest you change mirrors to the Main mirror and try that again. Run `software-properties-gtk` and under "Download from" select Main server	12:40
Oli	Click Close and then run the sudo apt-get update	12:41
Oli	BigRedS: We get quite a few issues about Apt and HTTP proxies on AskUbuntu. Even if the proxy is configures "system-wide", APT ignores it and has to be told separately what proxy to use.	12:43
BigRedS	'system-wide' only means 'In gnome' though, doesn't it?	12:44
AlanBell	some proxies block the urls for the liboobs and libsexy packages :)	12:44
Oli	BigRedS: possibly - I thought it asked for root when you clicked system wide though (though that doesn't mean it's still only a variable read by gnome installations)	12:45
BigRedS	Oli: yeah, I don't think any of the 'system wide' proxy settings actually do make a system-wide change, like edit the firewall. They all seem to just hope everyone else honours their standard..	12:47
MartijnVdS	BigRedS: they put stuff in the environment	12:48
MartijnVdS	and that's pretty well agreed upon	12:48
MartijnVdS	(http_proxy, ftp_proxy)	12:48
BigRedS	ahh	12:48
BigRedS	is there some problem with just telling iptables where to stick anything destined for :80 or :443, aside from not working on non-standard ports?	12:49
BigRedS	oh, if the environment variables work, I suppose that's more simple and doesn't need changing	12:49
ishan	http://paste.ubuntu.com/724312/	12:55
ishan	http://paste.ubuntu.com/724312/	12:58
ishan	http://paste.ubuntu.com/724312/	13:03
czajkowski	UDS live video stream just went live http://t.co/uF3CPR7b	13:03
Oli	ishan: you don't need to keep pasting it, it's still the latest message on all our screens (until now)	13:03
ishan	apology	13:03
* stevepdp is watching excitedly		13:04
BigRedS	ishan: I think the problem is just that none of us are sure how to fix it	13:04
Oli	UbuntuForums suggests there might be something crufty in there and multiple people suggest this works: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9697234&postcount=9	13:05
andyc	Pulseaudio is awesome - got kraftwerk out of my speakers and UDS stream coming through my usb headphones	13:05
Oli	ishan: But given you won't have aptitude installed, try `sudo apt-get update` instead (might not work the same, but it should)	13:06
dwatkins	I wonder if there's a way to enable debug logging for ishan's download issue, assuming I've interpretted correctly	13:06
Oli	andyc: Not too often you see people rejoicing PulseAudio :)	13:06
Oli	ishan: and some people suggest that re-adding the signing key might work, per http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10971829&postcount=2	13:08
dwatkins	ishan: I would use the -V option in a test update with apt-get to see what's going wrong, hopefully it'll say more about the downloads it's trying to do and we can pinpoint the relevant one	13:08
ishan	dwatkins: and how exactly do you use the -v option?	13:09
dwatkins	i.e. apt-get -V update	13:10
Oli	Is there a higher res version of the UDS stream? I'm watching http://fragaria.canonical.com:8080/stream.flv but it's blurry as hell	13:10
dwatkins	sorry, was making sure of the order	13:10
Oli	Or is this just the Jono Distortion Field?	13:10
dwatkins	ishan: better still: apt-get --print-uris update	13:10
ishan	dwatkins: what i need to write is "sudo apt-get --print-uris update" right?	13:11
dwatkins	ishan: yes	13:12
ishan	dwatkins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/724324/	13:15
mediamgl	Hi. Is anyone connected via O2 home broadband at the moment? I can no longer access Ubuntu and Canonical servers... Just trying to diagnose if it is my set-up (hasn't changed) or something that O2 may have changed. :-s	13:16
smittix	Anyone know if iTunes syncs with an iPhone in virtual box?	13:18
iclebyte	smittix, it will do yea	13:19
dwatkins	ishan: I don't know what's going wrong, perhaps it's an issue with the signatures or your machine's ability to verify them locally. I'd check that networking is working properly (i.e. DNS isn't giving erroneous results) and ask on #ubuntu	13:19
iclebyte	if you get the usb working correctly	13:19
smittix	No Windows/Mac Machines here so I have to find a decent way of doing it.	13:19
ishan	dwatkins: i use proxy for internet.... could that be the reason?	13:19
dwatkins	ishan: perhaps, yes - can you bypass the proxy?	13:20
dwatkins	(just as a test)	13:20
ishan	dwatkins: well i am in an educational facility... dont think thats gonna be possible...	13:21
ishan	and even if i manage this once...	13:21
ishan	what about the rest of the times when i need to update...	13:21
ishan	?	13:21
dwatkins	ishan: can your browser access the pages it cites in your original error as "Failed to fetch..."?	13:21
ishan	well i cant see any failed to fetch in the terminal.	13:22
dwatkins	Your pastebin text shows several of these.	13:23
dwatkins	It says there's "No Hash entry" so I wonder if the proxy returned something other than the actual file to your Ubuntu machine.	13:23
ishan	well the first pastebin entry or the second?	13:24
dwatkins	first	13:24
ishan	SHA1: 3cd09b07b6507a5dc0ab5766f7417e8fa8a61b0c 1190 Translation-en.bz2	13:26
ishan	this is what i am getting	13:26
ishan	dwatkins: i dont think the browser is able to open....	13:27
dwatkins	Getting when?	13:27
ishan	when i try to open the failed to fetch web page	13:27
ishan	on the browser..	13:28
dwatkins	Which file is this? Can you test with wget at the command line to see if the server gets it ok, or is returned some kind of proxy authentication page or something?	13:28
ishan	http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/oneiric-updates/multiverse/i18n/Index	13:28
ishan	i was trying to open this on the browser...	13:28
ishan	and this is what i got...	13:28
ishan	SHA1: 3cd09b07b6507a5dc0ab5766f7417e8fa8a61b0c 1190 Translation-en.bz2	13:29
ishan	and what do you want me to try?	13:29
ishan	also at times i can start the update/download...	13:29
ishan	but almost near the end it gets stuck saying package now available or repository not available	13:29
dwatkins	wget -q -O - http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/oneiric-updates/multiverse/i18n/Index	13:32
dwatkins	Quietly get the file and output to the terminal.	13:32
ishan	dwatkins: it produces the same result as the browser	13:34
dwatkins	in that case I don't know what's going wrong, sorry.	13:34
ishan	wget -q -O - http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/oneiric-updates/multiverse/i18n/Index	13:34
ishan	dwatkins: allright....	13:34
ishan	can you suggest somewhere i can get help?	13:34
dwatkins	I did ;)	13:34
dwatkins	Join the channel #ubuntu and ask there :)	13:35
dwatkins	You may have luck googling the errors, I don't know.	13:35
ishan	well you were of great help sure...	13:35
dwatkins	Sorry	13:35
AlanBell	ishan: not the very best time to ask, lots of people are watching the keynote speech at the Ubuntu developer summit	13:36
dwatkins	Also, I tried my best.	13:36
AlanBell	yes	13:36
smittix	AlanBell: Is there a live stream at all?	13:42
bigcalm	<czajkowski> UDS live video stream just went live http://t.co/uF3CPR7b	13:42
MooDoo	oh yeah, there's mark :)	13:42
bigcalm	Does it require flash?	13:43
smittix	Who's Mark?	13:43
* smittix hides		13:43
dwatkins	bigcalm: yeah	13:43
MartijnVdS	smittix: one of the UUPC presenters, right?	13:43
bigcalm	Oh, apparently not	13:43
MooDoo	smittix: he's the founder of fedora ;)	13:43
dwatkins	oh interesting	13:43
bigcalm	Hang on	13:43
bigcalm	:(	13:43
smittix	MooDoo: Ahh!	13:43
MooDoo	smittix: you are kidding right?	13:43
bigcalm	I thought I had flash removed from this system	13:44
* MooDoo isn't quite sure		13:44
smittix	MooDoo: Of course	13:44
smittix	haha	13:44
MooDoo	:p	13:44
ali1234	my internet cut out, what did he just say?	13:44
bigcalm	Oh well, it's playing :S	13:44
bigcalm	Nothing	13:44
dwatkins	bigcalm: you could stream it manually from the file in the source with VLC I imagine	13:44
MooDoo	works ok in chrome	13:44
Oli	Or Totem.	13:44
smittix	Sure Can, That's how I am streaming at the mo.	13:44
smittix	Bah auto focus	13:44
Oli	Just stick http://fragaria.canonical.com:8080/stream.flv in	13:44
Oli	ZOOM!	13:45
MartijnVdS	fedora.canonical.com -- see? it's starting	13:45
bigcalm	I heard that as 'Arms tech' Not "ARM's tech"	13:45
ali1234	i spent the first half of the keynote thinking "what's OM?"	13:46
czajkowski	I met davmor2	13:46
czajkowski	and didnt kill him	13:46
czajkowski	did poke him though	13:47
MooDoo	czajkowski: oh what a let down	13:47
bigcalm	Haha	13:47
czajkowski	Pendulum: can attest to it	13:47
MooDoo	czajkowski: thought you were tougher than that	13:47
Pendulum	MooDoo: he poked her first. war has been declared	13:47
bigcalm	czajkowski: please try not to kill him, he's in charge of the monthly work from home work place day	13:47
MooDoo	Pendulum: sick him ;)	13:47
* bigcalm needs to get out of the house more offten		13:47
czajkowski	bigcalm: co working spaces are the way forward	13:48
bigcalm	Anybody clapping at home?	13:48
smittix	I just Yahoo'd	13:48
MartijnVdS	smittix: And?	13:48
bigcalm	404?	13:48
smittix	Found out it's a search engine.	13:48
MartijnVdS	smittix: they're just a front-end for Bing now right?	13:49
smittix	or "was"	13:49
smittix	What's Bing?	13:49
MartijnVdS	MS Google	13:49
smittix	Thought so.	13:49
bigcalm	From the Google family	13:50
smittix	Is google that place with the big search engine? what's it called again?.. Lycos?	13:51
MartijnVdS	don't you mean Altavista or HotBot?	13:51
MartijnVdS	(do those still exist?)	13:51
bigcalm	Was Lycos the one with the dog?	13:51
smittix	Altavista does.	13:51
smittix	bigcalm: indeed	13:52
* bigcalm remembers Astalavista with fondness ;)		13:52
MartijnVdS	hm	13:53
MooDoo	czajkowski: give pleia2 a hug for me :)	13:53
bigcalm	He can't keep still!	13:53
MartijnVdS	bigcalm: ?!	13:54
bigcalm	The presenter from the video stream I linked to	13:54
czajkowski	MooDoo: tick DONE	13:54
smittix	Speaking of old stuff, I need to update my version of Mosaic Web Browser.	13:54
MooDoo	czajkowski: thank you :)	13:54
bigcalm	Speaking of old stuff, when does popey expect to get to UDS?	13:56
MooDoo	bigcalm: about 9 hours	13:57
smittix	heh	13:57
DJones	I'd guess it'll be early evening uk time, wasn't it about an 8 hour flight with him leaving about 10:30-11am (uk times)	13:57
Pendulum	did his flight get out?	13:58
Pendulum	last I heard he was delayed	13:58
DJones	I think he got away	13:58
MooDoo	last ggogle+ was "goodby cloudy gatwick"	13:58
Pendulum	:D	13:59
DJones	http://twitter.com/#!/popey/status/130976568746061824/photo/1	13:59
bigcalm	Chinny!	14:04
MartijnVdS	bigcalm: no, Raving Racoon is 13.04 ;)	14:04
bigcalm	Haha	14:04
bigcalm	I think Jono is trying to be American :S	14:06
bigcalm	Aq!	14:06
MartijnVdS	bigcalm: he's been trying for years ;)	14:07
ali1234	so many nerds	14:07
MartijnVdS	bigcalm: ever since he married an American :)	14:07
bigcalm	Jono and Aq are the only 2 I've noticed so far	14:08
bigcalm	Is this the only live stream from UDS?	14:09
bigcalm	Shorts :S I guess it's warm there still	14:10
daubers	Hmm... Asus are saying they have HDD inventory until the end of November	14:14
bigcalm	Has SSD production been affected in the same way as HDD?	14:15
clockwatch	What's the problem with HDDs?	14:16
daubers	clockwatch: Flooding in Thailand has annihalated production	14:16
sadsun	they are slow?	14:16
daubers	bigcalm: Don't think so	14:16
Oli	I think it's going to be a good excuse to raise the prices of everything for a while.	14:26
BigRedS	Oli: I'm rather hoping SSD manufacturers use it as an opportunity to keep costs as they are and suddenly be even more competetive	14:26
Oli	Ha!	14:27
BigRedS	but, no doubt, spinning disk mfrs will need to raise costs to earn the money to replace what broke	14:27
BigRedS	Oli: They could clearly do with it. I suspect the premium ones will get more expensive and the cheapo ones less so	14:27
webmobster	@search Analysis: With an Introduction to Proof	14:29
Oli	Some people suggest the price rise is over 100% in the UK (I haven't tracked any real prices so they may be BS) but that sort of rise at the lower capacity is going to drive people to SSDs and that's going to impact on SSD supplies, spiking their prices too. You see similar things when a single major component supplier has issues - everybody else makes a fortune from it.	14:34
MartijnVdS	2T disks went up 100% in .nl	14:44
bigcalm	Anybody want some PATA discs? I have 9 recently pulled from old machines	14:45
hamitron	bigcalm, how big?	14:45
Oli	Rofl, I step away for two minutes and now there appears to be somebody lying on their back on the UDS main stage	14:45
bigcalm	3.5"	14:45
hamitron	I mean capacity	14:45
hamitron	:)	14:45
bigcalm	:D	14:45
bigcalm	hamitron: I think they range from 10gb to 40gb	14:48
bigcalm	I'm likely to take a hammer to them	14:49
hamitron	why? :\|	14:49
bigcalm	Because of the content	14:49
hamitron	ah	14:49
bigcalm	I cba to connect up each one for a low level format	14:50
hamitron	I guess it is one way of securing data easy	14:50
hamitron	but can't you format 4 at once with a usb boot disk?	14:50
hamitron	;)	14:50
hamitron	assuming you have an old crappy comp like me	14:51
buzz_	where are all the ppa i386 builders :/	15:42
buzz_	seems everytime i upload some stuff to my ppa, the builders have been taken away to go and do something else.	15:43
buzz_	i386 6 68 jobs (3 hours 40 minutes)	15:43
brobostigon	hsdpa + android/screen + irssi + bitlbee, to the rescue. :)	15:44
=== mrevell__ is now known as mrevell
The_Fred	hello	16:09
tonytiger	Hi The_Fred	16:10
The_Fred	what the channel for ubuntu networking please?	16:11
tonytiger	I don't think there is one: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList	16:12
The_Fred	i was just looking there	16:12
MooDoo	The_Fred: what did you having in mind? just ubuntu chit chat? or you after an ubuntu contact in your area for a specific reason?	16:18
The_Fred	i've a networking problem and im utterly stuck	16:19
The_Fred	ive search channel list but there seems to be no networking channel	16:19
MooDoo	The_Fred: ask away, if there is anyone who can help you in here they will	16:19
kirrus	The_Fred: best to just ask for help in here, or #ubuntu. We don't split channel types for different Ubuntu-related problems :)	16:19
The_Fred	Thanks MooDoo , the problem is on my desktop network manager is not playing- so Im trying to connect to a wireless connection (I have the key) but its not connecting	16:20
kirrus	The_Fred: can you describe what is happening when you try to connect? What do you mean by the desktop network manager not playing? :)	16:21
MooDoo	The_Fred: what version of ubuntu are you using, i had a similar issue, and it was down to the driver i was using	16:21
MooDoo	when ubuntu does it's hardware check if found two drivers for my wireless card, one didn't work, i tried the other :)	16:21
The_Fred	The desktop runs 10.04 lts, and i've somehow lost network manager - i tried starting the applet but it threw an error	16:22
The_Fred	The card is claimed, and with iwlist wlan1 scan I can see the ap	16:22
The_Fred	all goes well until it get to iwconfig wlan1 key restricted XXXXX	16:25
The_Fred	it throws an error: SET failed on device wlan1; invalid arugment	16:25
MartijnVdS	why are you trying to set a WEP key manually?	16:25
czajkowski	more poking of davmor2	16:25
jacobw	which instructions are you following?	16:26
MooDoo	czajkowski: poke him for me please :)	16:26
The_Fred	MartijnVdS, because I cannot get network manager to start	16:26
davmor2	czajkowski: prod, stab, kick, hug I'm not sure will upset you most	16:28
czajkowski	NO KICKING	16:28
czajkowski	we're not in a stables my dear	16:28
The_Fred	jacobw, I've been following the instructions from all over google	16:28
jacobw	ifconfig wlanX up; iwconfig wlanX essid Y; iwconfig wlanX Z ?	16:31
jacobw	The_Fred: you can't set a WPA key with iwconfig	16:31
The_Fred	its a WEP key	16:31
jacobw	how are you trying to start nm-applet?	16:32
The_Fred	via terminal	16:32
MartijnVdS	and is network-manager actually running? is there anything in the log (/var/log/something)	16:34
The_Fred	when I try nm-applet & It throws a lot of errors about service files	16:34
The_Fred	checking log messages now	16:34
MartijnVdS	sounds like dbus problems	16:35
The_Fred	there is one particular message ... MASQUERADE: lo ate my IP address ????	16:36
jacobw	odd	16:36
The_Fred	yup	16:36
MartijnVdS	The_Fred: HAve you manually configured things wrt. the network?	16:36
MartijnVdS	MASQUERADE would be firewalling/NAT related	16:37
The_Fred	yea, I WAS trying (about 2 month ago) to share a net connection over bluetooth... im not sure what I've done to it now :-(	16:38
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=== victop is now known as victorp
The_Fred	MartijnVdS, I've edited the /etc/network/interaces	16:43
The_Fred	*interfaces	16:44
MartijnVdS	that will also be why network-manager doesn't work	16:44
MartijnVdS	it looks at /etc/network/interfaces to see which devices it should manage	16:44
The_Fred	no, it was because network manager would not start that I had to manulay edit interfaces	16:44
MartijnVdS	The_Fred: my /etc/network/interfaces has two lines:	16:45
MartijnVdS	auto lo	16:45
MartijnVdS	iface lo inet loopback	16:45
MartijnVdS	everything else is automagic	16:45
The_Fred	there is:	16:45
The_Fred	auto lo	16:45
The_Fred	iface lo inet loopback	16:45
The_Fred	auto wlan1	16:45
The_Fred	iface wlan1 inet dhcp	16:46
MartijnVdS	Remove the wlan1 lines -- network-manager won't pick up wlan1 if they're in /etc/network/interfaces	16:46
MartijnVdS	you might have to restart network-manager after editing /etc/network/interfaces	16:46
The_Fred	ok, i'll try that now	16:46
MartijnVdS	The_Fred: something also seems to be setting iptables rules, you might want to disable those too	16:46
The_Fred	ok, thats the interfaces file stripped as suggested	16:48
The_Fred	yes, there was something i did about iptables - i cant recall what right now	16:48
The_Fred	so, to start network manager applet, its just : sudo nm-applet & ?	16:49
MartijnVdS	no	16:49
MartijnVdS	don't start nm-applet as root	16:49
MartijnVdS	start it as yourself	16:49
The_Fred	ok, thanks	16:49
The_Fred	hmm, WARNING: constructor() couldnt initialise the D-Bus manager	16:50
The_Fred	thats from when I did me@desktop$ nm-applet &	16:51
The_Fred	the icon has appeared, but there's a grey'd out box under it with "NetworkManager is not running" in it...	16:51
MartijnVdS	The_Fred: can you check in /etc/rsyslog.d/50-default.conf if the line with "daemon.*" on it is commented or not? (# in front)	16:54
MartijnVdS	The_Fred: if so, remove the # on that line	16:55
MartijnVdS	then:	16:55
MartijnVdS	sudo restart rsyslog	16:55
MartijnVdS	then:	16:55
MartijnVdS	sudo restart network-manager	16:55
MartijnVdS	then check /var/log/daemon.log	16:55
The_Fred	MartijnVdS, in rsyslog.conf, there is no comment (assuming comments begin with #?)	16:57
MartijnVdS	The_Fred: then only do the sudo restart network-manager bit and check /var/log/daemon.log	16:57
The_Fred	I got: Unknown job: network-manager	16:58
MartijnVdS	/etc/init.d/network-manager restart	16:59
MartijnVdS	that then?	16:59
The_Fred	command not found	17:00
MartijnVdS	sounds like you removed the network-manager daemon	17:00
MartijnVdS	or at least its init scripts	17:00
MartijnVdS	The_Fred: apt-get install network-manager	17:01
The_Fred	I'm not sure what I did now - i've moved house since I tried to share net connect over bluetooth :-(	17:01
The_Fred	network manager is already the newest version.	17:02
MartijnVdS	well it's not a good sign if those commands don't work	17:02
The_Fred	yea - i think im going to download the network-manager deb (et al) via this pc and save to usb drive or install	17:03
The_Fred	MartijnVdS, many thanks for your help	17:06
MartijnVdS	The_Fred: if you install that with dpkg --force-confnew -i file.deb	17:06
MartijnVdS	The_Fred: you should get any config files (files in /etc) back	17:07
The_Fred	thats brilliant - thanks for the heads-up	17:07
MartijnVdS	sorry	17:07
MartijnVdS	force-confmiss	17:07
smittix	Bloody Trick or Treaters	17:16
* jacobw mails smittix some haribo		17:16
smittix	everytime i sit down, theres another knock at the door? don't these kids have computers?	17:17
smittix	heh	17:17
MartijnVdS	smittix: Time for a shotgun :)	17:17
smittix	Trying to read up on bash scripting.	17:17
MartijnVdS	smittix: the Advanced Bash Scripting Guide?	17:18
smittix	Yarr	17:18
smittix	well, im trying to make myself a script that customises a new install for me.	17:18
jacobw	is bash's vi mode common knowledge?	17:19
kirrus	jacobw: bash's vi mode?	17:19
MartijnVdS	jacobw: it's actually libreadline's vi mode	17:19
jacobw	MartijnVdS: ah ha	17:20
jacobw	kirrus: set -o vi	17:20
MartijnVdS	and then you get lots of beeps and curses because of "edit mode" vs "insert mode"	17:20
kirrus	Strange	17:21
kirrus	I think I'll stick to ordinary bash	17:21
smittix	Im trying to find out how to replace a word in a file	17:21
kirrus	sed -i 's/old-word/new-word/' filename	17:22
smittix	well thats one customisation done.	17:22
smittix	heh	17:22
smittix	ta	17:22
kirrus	smittix: that should replace the first instance of the word. If you want to replace all instances, use ...'new-word/g'	17:22
smittix	should be only one instance of the word anyway.	17:23
kirrus	smittix: if you want it to make a backup, incase you screwed up the regex, use -i.bak (or -bak, or whatever). It'll make a copy of the file from before sed had at it, with .bak on the end of the filename	17:23
jacobw	catonmat.net has lots of bash and utils material	17:24
smittix	jacobw: Thanks ill check that out.	17:24
andyc	kirrus, I never knew that... I'll remember that one!	17:24
Oli	Woot. New Humble Indie "Bundle"! http://www.humblebundle.com/	17:25
andyc	(Using -i.nabk)	17:25
jacobw	\o/	17:25
smittix	I would really like to create a gui version of this but wouldnt know where to start. I could do it in VB but ...	17:25
MartijnVdS	Oli: ANOTHER bundle?	17:26
MartijnVdS	Oli: they do 5 a year now?	17:26
jacobw	smittix: pygtk	17:26
Oli	Apparently :) I'm not complaining. I'm getting tons of Linux-native games through it	17:27
MartijnVdS	Oli: I've bought 2 bundles, but I never play the games :(	17:27
* jacobw investigates whether zenity is still usable		17:27
Oli	MartijnVdS: That's sad :( They're good games.	17:27
MartijnVdS	Oli: Sure, but I just forget about them or something	17:27
MartijnVdS	It's not that I don't _want_ to play them	17:28
jacobw	smittix: http://library.gnome.org/users/zenity/stable/	17:28
Oli	VVVVVV was a real gem in the last bundle-bundle	17:28
jacobw	smittix: gui dialogues from shell scripts	17:29
smittix	Is zenity installed by default?	17:29
smittix	I really should learn python or something	17:30
smittix	I Tried using quickly create, it didnt turn out well.	17:34
directhex	monodevelop!	17:46
jacobw	is that a suggestion or a command ;)	17:47
MartijnVdS	it's abuse ;)	17:49
jacobw	hehe	17:49
BigRedS	Man, AWS is rubbish.	18:29
KrisDouglas	BigRedS, as in Amazon?	18:30
BigRedS	KrisDouglas: yeah. That or our customer's missed the point	18:31
BigRedS	the only way in is ssh	18:32
BigRedS	which makes debugging boot problems a tad tricky	18:32
jpds	BigRedS: euca-get-console-output ?	18:32
KrisDouglas	BigRedS, I never really liked the idea	18:32
KrisDouglas	I failed to see how it was cheaper than our rack in notts.	18:33
jpds	KrisDouglas: No need to buy servers, colo, power, ... ?	18:35
BigRedS	jpds: yeah, boot messages imply it's up, but I can't ssh in	18:41
kirrus	KrisDouglas: the main plus is the ability to dynamically scale	18:41
BigRedS	so I wanna plug a monitor and keyboard in...	18:41
jpds	BigRedS: Check that SSH is in the security group?	18:42
BigRedS	yeah, on around 15% of boots it works	18:42
BigRedS	but I think half the point of this cloudy thing is that when this happens I spawn a new instance and kill this one	18:42
davmor2	czajkowski: prod, prod, proddy, prod, prod	18:55
bigcalm	Having fun there davmor2?	18:58
davmor2	bigcalm: you have to right, I'm still alive so I haven't annoyed czajkowski enough obviously :D	19:00
davmor2	bigcalm: that or I'm tougher to kill than expected	19:00
bigcalm	:)	19:01
czajkowski	it's day 1	19:03
bigcalm	Which will bruise 1st - czajkowski's skin or davmor2's finger?	19:05
davmor2	bigcalm: my skin from czajkowski thumping more realistically	19:06
czajkowski	indeed	19:06
czajkowski	I got a good one in	19:06
Pendulum	czajkowski: well done	19:06
davmor2	czajkowski: thank god if that was a good one I'll still be alive at the end of the week :P	19:11
smittix	anyone use indicator-sysmonitor?	19:11
czajkowski	davmor2: see now challenge accepted	19:12
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geekMePlease	Where can you find the list of re-released ubuntu 11.10 packages?	19:27
=== pancro is now known as pancro_uds
geekMePlease	I am wondering if there is any fix to the network manager.	19:28
geekMePlease	* to get Huawei E367 working with 11.10	19:28
tonytiger	geekMePlease: what do you mean by re-released?	19:32
=== mrevell_ is now known as mrevell
mrevell	Thanks everyone on IRC	19:50
mrevell	oops, wrong channel	19:50
* czajkowski pats mrevell noggin		19:52
* gord thanks everyone on irc anyway		19:54
Pendulum	gord: I am sorry about the tea. If you find me, I will explain	19:54
ubuntuuk-planet	[Alistair McKinlay] Video of the Week: Humble Voxatron Debut - http://www.10people.co.uk/index.php/2011/10/video-of-the-week-humble-voxatron-debut/	21:02
=== [1]rhysmorgan is now known as rhysmorgan
christel	AlanBell: are you doing anything exciting for bonfire night?	21:27
* bigcalm tickles christel		21:29
* christel tickles bigcalm		21:30
* bigcalm turns to jelly		21:30
bigcalm	How are you my dear?	21:31
mattt	no tickling in here	21:41
=== [1]rhysmorgan is now known as rhysmorgan
ishan	some real help needed...	22:24
ishan	concerning networking issues..	22:24
ishan	stuck over the same issue for over a week...	22:24
ishan	help!!!	22:24
mgdm	what's wrong?	22:27
ishan	well i recently installed 11.10	22:28
ishan	and i use proxy for internet..	22:28
ishan	the browser works just fine...	22:28
ishan	but i cant just seem make a download...	22:28
ishan	or update...	22:28
ishan	the update starts and then gets stuck towards the end...	22:29
mgdm	where did you set the proxy?	22:29
ishan	in the browser as well as system wide setting...	22:29
ishan	it shows various errors...	22:29
ishan	packet not found...	22:29
ishan	badsig	22:29
ishan	repository not found...	22:29
ishan	it always starts updating cache and then leaves in the middle...	22:30
ishan	it asks me to check my internet settings	22:30
ishan	i dont know what to do	22:30
mgdm	Hmmm	22:31
ishan	any ideas?	22:33
mgdm	Not right now, I'm not running that version so i can't really test it	22:34
ishan	any idea where can i get some help?	22:35
mgdm	#ubuntu, but it's a bit busy	22:35
ishan	i know...	22:35
ishan	i have tried everywhere but to no good...	22:36
ishan	i just cant seem to find a way out of this...	22:36
ishan	cant even play any media files cause i just cant update...	22:36
ishan	!	22:36
AlanBell	christel: going away, and kids are off to grandparents, so no, not going to the farnham fireworks this time	23:51

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