[00:15] daftykins: hi sorry was on another server... cant stop now, was playing with 11.10 but can wait cya later [00:21] hi [00:29] Jora: hey [00:29] hows it going? [00:29] I didn't reply to your email yet. [00:29] ^_^ hehe [00:29] Must be like the middle of the night there [00:30] don't go too quick or we'll run out of stuff to say! [00:30] yep half midnight now [00:30] yeah! [00:30] :D [00:30] reading some vermont uni school paper, which i somehow got onto [00:30] Whats it about? [00:31] just saw an interesting title hacking piece [00:31] http://www.vermontcynic.com/ [00:31] it's in a little reader on the side [00:31] well hopefully its an interesting read and you learn something cool [00:32] rofl, SAT cheating kids got arrested [00:32] bit extreme [00:32] Jora: how're things with you? or shall i wait for an email to find out :O [00:33] im fine, doing tons of laundry! [00:33] I'm going to make brownies for my last day in hell. [00:34] :D [00:34] ooh the grand escape tomorrow eh? [00:34] No Friday [00:34] or Friday [00:34] aww [00:34] sounds nice :) [00:34] Yeah [00:34] i just watched an episode of South Park where Cartman made cupcakes and laced them with laxitive [00:34] ;) [00:34] don't go getting any ideas! [00:35] No, not getting any ideas [00:35] Hard to believe its my last week [00:35] how long have you been there in total [00:35] ? [00:36] 3 years about [00:36] wowzer [00:37] why is taht wowzer [00:37] Thats not that long to be there [00:37] eh just longer than i've held a single job :) [00:37] yeah [00:38] i should get some parts this week to fix a client's computer i have here [00:38] You havent had a job that long? [00:38] nah [00:38] wow [00:38] came back from Uni, did 6 months contract IT support [00:38] then i did November -> July teaching last [00:38] technically i have been doing the freelance stuff for years :D [00:39] well whatever works for you [00:40] so, feeling any nostalgia for this week? [00:40] I wish I had vacation [00:40] I mean time off, do I want to go to work tommorrow, no. [00:40] I would like to just work friday and be done [00:40] And have the rest of the week off [00:40] =] [00:40] I have enough time to do that [00:41] but [00:41] Its not a proper 2 week notice then [00:41] do you then go right into the new one? [00:41] maybe maybe not [00:41] Depends on how fast my drug test processes [00:42] wow, they did urine tests? [00:42] or rather, singular [00:42] No hair tests [00:42] ah interesting [00:42] there are going to clip or shave off some hair from my head [00:43] very thorough [00:43] Its the standard now I guess [00:43] Some places do tests of your body fat [00:43] :S [00:43] For drugs [00:44] most i've had are police checks [00:44] due to the jobs being around kids of course [00:44] They do everything but a credit report check [00:44] i've never had so much as a parking or speeding ticket as i've never driven :D [00:48] :D [00:48] not so sure how i'd fare on that drug business though ;) [00:50] meh [00:51] I don't know [00:51] Im not worried since I've never done drugs [00:51] mmm [00:51] i'm not familiar with the tests to know [00:51] but i think you need some pretty regular use to affect your hair [00:52] at least in a single block of time [00:52] i don't really go near stuff [00:53] hmm what to do [00:53] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_test#Hair_drug_testing [00:54] ^_^ [00:54] ty [00:55] ah-har so style/wash your hair with too many funky products and you may well affect results [00:55] downside to my long hair i suppose, a long-range specimen :D [00:57] oh, Vermont is in the US [00:57] it sounded Canadian to me for some reason [01:03] hehe maybe [01:17] hmm, need to pick out some new grips for my bike but i've got no idea what to go for :D [01:56] g'night Jora, have a good last week o/ [01:57] nite daftykins [06:48] morning everyone. [06:53] Morning! [06:56] good morning popey [06:56] congrats with the job at cannonical [06:56] let your first task be to convice shuttleworth that unity is a bad choice. [06:56] and that the standard background should always feature lolcats or pink ponies [06:57] :) [06:57] I shall sprout a religion in your honor if you succeed [06:57] Uhm. "sprout" it? [06:57] MartijnVdS: i think that would be the correct term no ? [06:58] I'd say "start" or "invent" [06:58] Sprout sounds way more Belgian :) [06:59] Brussels sprouts? [06:59] Badabing ! [06:59] Strange zuiderburen are strange ;) [07:00] hahah :) [07:00] tell me about the dutch ! [07:00] i work in holland , so i know how strange YOU guyz can be [07:00] We're not strange at all! [07:08] hey Girly-Girl [07:13] knightwise: Hi [07:43] morning all [07:46] hey AlanBell [07:47] am I going to regret upgrading to 11.10? [07:48] * rml_home is in mid upgrade right now, but I absolutely need my VPN to work once it's finished [07:50] * rml_home frets [07:50] I reall must persude my bossto let me work at home all week when the wifelet is on call. [07:50] rml_home: I am running it on my work laptop, it is fine. VPN works fine [07:51] Trains are rubbish [07:51] I read the post on lifehacker about the difference between gnome3 and unity [07:51] So is my typing on a smartphone KB [07:51] rml_home: I gave up on the unity alt-tab switcher and picked one of the other compiz switchers, and I stopped the unity launcher from hiding [07:51] conclusion was : they both suck but gnome3 sucks less [07:52] the unity launcher was always getting in the way of the browser back button [07:52] i guess the gold old days of a taskbar at the bottom and being able to customise your machine .. are over [07:52] I feel old when i think of that [07:52] yes, those days are over. I don't care. [07:53] I'm irritated by the launcher not unhiding when you put the pointer top left, but that's only because I got used to the one in Natty [07:53] AlanBell: i think i should just dive in ? [07:53] cause even mint will be switching to gnome3 [07:53] awilkins: yes, that annoyed me too [07:53] another reason to not autohide the launcher [07:54] I am not short of pixels [07:54] After remapping capslock to "super" I'm happier (my keyboard has no Windows key) [07:54] I'm currently on 10.4 and find unity a PITB. Also it seems incapable of remembering my dual screen setup for more than one or two reboots. [07:55] rml_home, nvidia card? [07:55] ATI [07:55] No idea how to fix that then [07:55] Don't use the non-free driver [07:55] it should work fine with the free drivers [07:56] me neither :) I'm hoping there has been sufficient whinging by others that it got addressed though [07:56] rml_home: file a bug, that's official whinging ;) [07:56] * rml_home nods [07:58] I'm getting a lot of nasty crashes I think are linked to graphics. [07:58] Vista seems to be stable, played Witcher 2 all evening [07:58] MartijnVdS: pretty much everything I've read says "use the Catalyst driver" cos the Ubuntu ones aren't as good. [07:59] except the catalyst driver breaks every other upgrade [07:59] MartijnVdS: has that changed? [07:59] ah [08:00] UDS starts today [08:00] http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p [08:01] And the first announcement is out [08:01] do remotely attend sessions about anything that interests, and anything that annoys you :) [08:01] "Ubuntu will be for phones and tablets" [08:01] (see ArsTechnica) [08:01] aha .. so there is a strategy behind all the unity stuff [08:01] Well, there had to be, really [08:02] I wonder when UbuFone will be ready for the N900 (hint! hint!) [08:02] does oneiric (Unity 3d) work in VBox? I couldn't get it to run last night - was wanting to have a play with gnome shell. [08:02] it does [08:02] gnome's hell [08:03] Do you need the newer guest extensions? [08:04] My lappy has vbox 4.1 but the oneiric screen just goes white once it has booted. [08:04] install the packaged guest extensions [08:04] oh, not seen the white screen [08:05] As soon as I pass my mouse over the oneirc window after logging in - it goes white. Unity 2d is OK. [08:05] virtualbox-ose-guest-x11 installed in the guest normally does it [08:05] Gnome shell does the same thing [08:05] tried that. [08:06] NM - will have another crack tonight prolly. [08:06] on the laptop too, same hardware as me [08:06] not important [08:06] Don't you also have to enable 3D on the VM display? [08:06] oh yeah, that too [08:06] awilkins: Yeah - that's done. [08:07] Hmmph. Different graphics driver on the host would be my next suggestion. [08:08] Is there *anything* graphene isn't useful for? http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2011/10/graphene-is-better-as-a-threesome.ars [08:08] Graphene curtains? [08:09] Should think they'd be great - very light and flexible yet strong. [08:10] But rather transparent [08:11] you could paint them. [08:11] Or cover them in thin cotton ;-) [08:11] With... quantum dot suspension. Then they'd generate electricity too. Bloody know-it-all graphene [08:12] Graphene condoms probably turn your kids into superheroes if they have a hole in them..... [08:16] New "Florence" album today. Hooray. [08:16] has she fixed her voice to be less whiney on this one? [08:17] or annoyingly-pitched? [08:17] Not got a copy yet. May actually visit a ...... shop (oh, the shame of it) [08:17] Get a bendy phone next year :-) http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2011/10/samsung-to-introduce-flexible-displays-in-devices-next-year.ars [08:17] Doesn't Amazon ship to your place? :P [08:18] She is a bit Marmite, isn't she? [08:18] Didnt know it was coming. Need cheering up. Will pay HMV immediacy premium [08:19] morning all [08:20] aloha [08:21] morning czajkowski how's the US? [08:21] nice so far [08:21] good good [08:21] Florida less "turkish bath" in October? [08:25] Morning all [08:26] what time is the UDS keynote? [08:26] and is it streamed? [08:26] 1PM [08:26] http://video.ubuntu.com/live/ [08:27] cheers [08:27] there will be a better quality audio stream at http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/ [08:31] wheeee [08:31] popey: please don't wee in the channel ;P [08:31] Yes, you'd better do that before you get on the plane [08:32] choo choo [08:33] morning all [08:41] \o [08:50] popey: Should you not be *at work* already on your first day? [08:50] mail sent to the lists [08:50] ie and uk [08:50] :) [08:50] flying the flags [08:51] :) [08:51] MooDoo: I do try as much as possible to help both teams [08:52] czajkowski: i know :) [08:52] TheOpenSourcerer: tricky when work is in orlando [08:52] and I am in the UK [08:52] lol [08:52] * popey notes czajkowski doesn't proof-read her mails ☺ [08:53] I did what did I miss.... [08:53] :/ [08:53] Just blame it on google translate :) [08:53] :( [08:53] heh [08:53] en_ie to en_gb [08:54] I've en_gb running [08:54] :) [08:55] an aberrant apostrophe, and ac instead of act were two I noticed. Also a few commas would help legibility. Marks out of 10? 4 [08:55] morning [08:55] * mattt is sweepy today [08:55] its more that the bit in the middle assumes quite a bit of knowledge [08:55] weepy? why? :P [08:56] \o/ reigate [08:56] * TheOpenSourcerer wonders what on earth popey is doing in Reigate but is somehow unsurprised. [08:57] reigate surrey? thought you were going to UDS popey ? [08:57] * mattt throws a slippery clog at MartijnVdS [08:57] * MooDoo needs coffee [08:57] That's a great train track - Guildford to Reigate - Specially when the sun is out [08:57] popey: Will be on his way to Gatwick I expect [08:57] ah! [08:57] ya [08:57] it is a very nice track [08:58] * popey tickles schwuk [08:59] mornin [08:59] ohh the new area in the north terminal is NICE for BA [08:59] very swish [08:59] * schwuk giggles and tells popey to stop it [09:00] czajkowski: You flying business class? [09:00] nope [09:01] hahaha [09:01] Shame [09:02] [Laura Czajkowski] Taking part in UDS remotely - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/10/31/taking-part-in-uds-remotely/ [09:02] Working in this industry, I'm always shocked at how much people pay for business class flights, £5-10K return [09:03] why? i always fly business class. [09:04] DJones: it's not as if I'm gonna sleep on the flight [09:04] kidding, i've only been bumped up once. :( [09:04] I usualy just read or watch movies and hey presto land [09:04] czajkowski: how long's the flight? bout 10-11 hours? [09:04] 9.5 [09:04] the last time i flew to the US, i had to sit next to a lady w/ a baby on her lap [09:05] and she even asked me to hold the baby a few times while she did this and that :( [09:05] ok so you had to help someone [09:05] *shock* [09:05] it was odd [09:05] * mattt looks at baby in his hands [09:05] there was a lovely couple who had thier 4 year old boys and a 9 week old baby who never open his mouth during the flight [09:05] yeah, this boy was good too, didn't say boo [09:06] czajkowski: our work proxy blocks your blog post :( [09:06] tther was a 7 year old girl who cried a lott so they fed her sweets then she threw up [09:06] haha! [09:06] i put some films on my ipad for the journey [09:06] my rosie has a fab pair of lungs on her :S [09:06] MooDoo: :) [09:08] Morning peeps :) [09:08] ! [09:09] MooDoo: how old is she now ? [09:09] this 9 week old baby just slept and was fed and changed. [09:10] he wwas adorably cute [09:10] czajkowski: 6 weeks :) [09:10] czajkowski: sorry make that 7 [09:11] you don't typically fly with a 6 or 7 week old, do you? [09:11] aww [09:11] mattt: i wouldn't dream of it.... [09:11] forgot tis a bank holiday in .ie today [09:11] czajkowski: she's smiling now as well :D [09:12] MooDoo: so she doesnt cry all the time then :) [09:12] czajkowski: no not all the time but when she does, you know about it [09:12] wonder at what point david cameron's going to start reclaiming bank holidays [09:12] heh [09:13] mattt: and is the older one getting oon with her ? [09:13] !politics [09:13] Please take political discussion to ##politics-uk. Thank you! [09:13] sorry couldn't resist :) [09:13] * mattt stares at MooDoo :/ [09:13] hee hee :) [09:14] * mattt goes back to work [09:14] Following on from that, on twitter for Queen_UK "Looking into making Mondays illegal" :) [09:15] yeah ye kinda have a lot uring the summer then nothing till christmas [09:15] :/ [09:22] What's the desktop calender application of choice these days? One that will sync with google apps [09:27] I just use the Google Calendar web interface [09:28] it's also synced to my phone, which goes "ding" when I have something coming up [09:32] Happy Hallowe'en! >:-D [09:32] oh yeah so it is [09:42] Morning [09:43] * daubers just booked his bike test :-s [09:45] daubers: awesome, :) [09:45] daubers: whoop! [09:48] hopefully I'll have it all done by december [09:48] daubers: yay, ubuntu-uk bike ride :) [09:48] heh [09:48] Bikers to Oggcamp :) [09:49] I want to do mine daubers [09:49] Doing a all in one test ? [09:49] * MooDoo did mine in 92, i'm so old [09:49] MooDoo, I should have done mine back then [09:49] diplo: No, am doing the DAS, but doing it over 2 weekends [09:49] :) [09:49] Taken my CBT 4 times over the years [09:49] was easier back then [09:52] If you don't mind, how much is it costing you daubers ? [09:52] \o/ Gatwick [09:52] o/ [09:52] \o/ Blue Screen of Death on the indicator boards [09:52] diplo: Doing it through the same place I did my CBT so they've taken that off... but it's still £565 all in [09:52] :( [09:52] popey: All the boards at cairo had a warning on them saying flash player 7 had crashed :) [09:52] I'm findiong it hard to save the cash to pay for it atm [09:52] diplo: Taken me 3 months to get that together [09:53] Yeah, think more like 6-12 months for me :/ [09:53] yeah, I was looking at that, but had an unexpected bonus for being awesome [09:53] daubers: you'll love it - I did my DAS this time last year (in fact my Module 1 was a year ago tomorrow) [09:54] schwuk: I'm fretting a tad about the size of the bike, but got a days tuition before hand, so hopefully will be fine! [09:55] daubers: what you training on, a 125 or going for the big one straight away? [09:55] MooDoo: Going straight to a larger one. Been riding a 125 for 18 months [09:55] daubers: sweet :) [09:56] Hopefully try and buy a 500 next year, then in a few years time get the then equivalent of a Pan Euro :) [09:56] daubers: I did my CBT on a 125 (obviously), then straight to a 650 for the DAS. I was struggling with the figure of eight, so borrowed my friend's Pan European (1100!) to practise on and been riding it ever since. You'll be fine. :) [09:57] schwuk: I want one :( Been to the bike show 2 years running and sat and drooled at one [09:57] :) [09:57] ultimate aim is to go touring round europe on a nice bike with the missus [09:58] sounds awesome..... [09:58] daubers: I love it. I prefer cruisers (and will by another one next year), but this Pan has been sitting in his drive for years so we share the running costs. [09:58] i want a zx12 next, but it's only a pipe dream :D [09:58] daubers: same plan here [09:58] schwuk: Heh, Ubuntu-UK goes to Europe :p [09:58] yay! [09:59] next summer we ought to meet up some where for a ride out [09:59] MooDoo: If I have a bike by then, you're on :) [09:59] :D [09:59] ooooh [10:00] 'go to gate' [10:00] you're enjoying this aren't you popey? [10:00] hah [10:00] who wouldn't! [10:00] ttfn [10:01] Have fun [10:03] Enjoy yourself [10:03] It's later than you think [10:15] This might be handy for Virgin & spotify users http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/42796/virgin-media-bundles-spotify-premium [10:16] 6 months [10:21] hey that looks familiar [10:21] KPN is doing that as well over here [10:22] what kind of deal does kpn have? [10:23] ah we have spotify in the netherlands as well? [10:28] sadsun: you get free Spotify Premium as long as you're their customer [10:33] Heh [10:34] * BigRedS seems to have missed the bike talk :( [10:35] the bike talk? [10:35] is that like the birds & bees talk? [10:36] bigcalm: daubers is doing his test, and we're arranging ubuntu-uk bike rides ;) [10:36] I'm not bigcalm :) [10:36] BigRedS: you're big! [10:36] rats [10:36] So, BigRedS is just Big? [10:36] sorry BigRedS :) [10:36] MooDoo: it's alright, everyone does it [10:36] I think it annoys bigcalm more :) [10:36] * bigcalm eyes the channel for a moment [10:36] :P [10:37] even though he's the calm one! [10:37] I wouldn't say 'annoy' is the right term [10:38] haha, anyway MooDoo, road trip to fosdem? [10:38] well, day's ride or so if we're all on pans :) [10:38] :( Won't be able to afford a pan for a little while [10:39] pmsl, i'll stick to my bandit for the moment [10:39] hmpf. Everybody needs a pan. [10:47] BigRedS: Aim is to buy a pan (or equivalent at that point) in a couple of years [10:47] a pan? [10:47] oli: http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/Manufacturers/Honda/Pan-European/ [10:48] I see! [11:22] Does anyone know if there's an easy way to customise an indicator applet? I want to change the volume control launched by the sound indicator applet [11:39] what do you want to change about it [11:40] I used xubuntu and it launches the xfce mixer rather than the pulseaudio volume control [11:41] s/used/use [11:46] does xfce even use indicators? [11:47] I thought it used "normal" notifications [11:48] I have an indicator applet in my panel so I assume they've been added for xubuntu [11:59] Anyone aware of a replacement for xt or xtraceroute ? [11:59] Looking for a way to have a visually mapped traceroute [12:00] An online service to map a traceroute from text would make me equally happy right now [12:01] siya: what are you trying to accomplish that doesn't work with the text-mode traceroute? [12:01] MartijnVdS, I want to see where each hop is located [12:02] I'm being routed via the USA to get to a host I know is in the UK [12:02]