[00:15] <FlippingYoda> daftykins: hi sorry was on another server... cant stop now, was playing with 11.10 but can wait cya later
[00:21] <Jora> hi
[00:29] <daftykins> Jora: hey
[00:29] <Jora> hows it going?
[00:29] <Jora> I didn't reply to your email yet.
[00:29] <daftykins> ^_^ hehe
[00:29] <Jora> Must be like the middle of the night there
[00:30] <daftykins> don't go too quick or we'll run out of stuff to say!
[00:30] <daftykins> yep half midnight now
[00:30] <Jora> yeah!
[00:30] <daftykins> :D
[00:30] <daftykins> reading some vermont uni school paper, which i somehow got onto
[00:30] <Jora> Whats it about?
[00:31] <daftykins> just saw an interesting title hacking piece
[00:31] <daftykins> http://www.vermontcynic.com/
[00:31] <daftykins> it's in a little reader on the side
[00:31] <Jora> well hopefully its an interesting read and you learn something cool
[00:32] <daftykins> rofl, SAT cheating kids got arrested
[00:32] <daftykins> bit extreme
[00:32] <daftykins> Jora: how're things with you? or shall i wait for an email to find out :O
[00:33] <Jora> im fine, doing tons of laundry!
[00:33] <Jora> I'm going to make brownies for my last day in hell.
[00:34] <Jora> :D
[00:34] <daftykins> ooh the grand escape tomorrow eh?
[00:34] <Jora> No Friday
[00:34] <daftykins> or Friday
[00:34] <daftykins> aww
[00:34] <daftykins> sounds nice :)
[00:34] <Jora> Yeah
[00:34] <daftykins> i just watched an episode of South Park where Cartman made cupcakes and laced them with laxitive
[00:34] <daftykins> ;)
[00:34] <daftykins> don't go getting any ideas!
[00:35] <Jora> No, not getting any ideas
[00:35] <Jora> Hard to believe its my last week
[00:35] <daftykins> how long have you been there in total
[00:35] <daftykins> ?
[00:36] <Jora> 3 years about
[00:36] <daftykins> wowzer
[00:37] <Jora> why is taht wowzer
[00:37] <Jora> Thats not that long to be there
[00:37] <daftykins> eh just longer than i've held a single job :)
[00:37] <daftykins> yeah
[00:38] <daftykins> i should get some parts this week to fix a client's computer i have here
[00:38] <Jora> You havent had a job that long?
[00:38] <daftykins> nah
[00:38] <Jora> wow
[00:38] <daftykins> came back from Uni, did 6 months contract IT support
[00:38] <daftykins> then i did November -> July teaching last
[00:38] <daftykins> technically i have been doing the freelance stuff for years :D
[00:39] <Jora> well whatever works for you
[00:40] <daftykins> so, feeling any nostalgia for this week?
[00:40] <Jora> I wish I had vacation
[00:40] <Jora> I mean time off, do I want to go to work tommorrow, no.
[00:40] <Jora> I would like to just work friday and be done
[00:40] <Jora> And have the rest of the week off
[00:40] <daftykins> =]
[00:40] <Jora> I have enough time to do that
[00:41] <Jora> but
[00:41] <Jora> Its not a proper 2 week notice then
[00:41] <daftykins> do you then go right into the new one?
[00:41] <Jora> maybe maybe not
[00:41] <Jora> Depends on how fast my drug test processes
[00:42] <daftykins> wow, they did urine tests?
[00:42] <daftykins> or rather, singular
[00:42] <Jora> No hair tests
[00:42] <daftykins> ah interesting
[00:42] <Jora> there are going to clip or shave off some hair from my head
[00:43] <daftykins> very thorough
[00:43] <Jora> Its the standard now I guess
[00:43] <Jora> Some places do tests of your body fat
[00:43] <daftykins> :S
[00:43] <Jora> For drugs
[00:44] <daftykins> most i've had are police checks
[00:44] <daftykins> due to the jobs being around kids of course
[00:44] <Jora> They do everything but a credit report check
[00:44] <daftykins> i've never had so much as a parking or speeding ticket as i've never driven :D
[00:48] <Jora> :D
[00:48] <daftykins> not so sure how i'd fare on that drug business though ;)
[00:50] <Jora> meh
[00:51] <Jora> I don't know
[00:51] <Jora> Im not worried since I've never done drugs
[00:51] <daftykins> mmm
[00:51] <daftykins> i'm not familiar with the tests to know
[00:51] <daftykins> but i think you need some pretty regular use to affect your hair
[00:52] <daftykins> at least in a single block of time
[00:52] <daftykins> i don't really go near stuff
[00:53] <daftykins> hmm what to do
[00:53] <Jora> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_test#Hair_drug_testing
[00:54] <daftykins> ^_^
[00:54] <daftykins> ty
[00:55] <daftykins> ah-har so style/wash your hair with too many funky products and you may well affect results
[00:55] <daftykins> downside to my long hair i suppose, a long-range specimen :D
[00:57] <daftykins> oh, Vermont is in the US
[00:57] <daftykins> it sounded Canadian to me for some reason
[01:03] <Jora> hehe maybe
[01:17] <daftykins> hmm, need to pick out some new grips for my bike but i've got no idea what to go for :D
[01:56] <daftykins> g'night Jora, have a good last week o/
[01:57] <Jora> nite daftykins
[06:48] <knightwise> morning everyone.
[06:53] <popey> Morning!
[06:56] <knightwise> good morning popey
[06:56] <knightwise> congrats with the job at cannonical
[06:56] <knightwise> let your first task be to convice shuttleworth that unity is a bad choice.
[06:56] <knightwise> and that the standard background should always feature lolcats or pink ponies
[06:57] <knightwise> :)
[06:57] <knightwise> I shall sprout a religion in your honor if you succeed
[06:57] <MartijnVdS> Uhm. "sprout" it?
[06:57] <knightwise> MartijnVdS: i think that would be the correct term no ?
[06:58] <MartijnVdS> I'd say "start" or "invent"
[06:58] <knightwise> Sprout sounds way more Belgian :)
[06:59] <MartijnVdS> Brussels sprouts?
[06:59] <knightwise> Badabing !
[06:59] <MartijnVdS> Strange zuiderburen are strange ;)
[07:00] <knightwise> hahah :)
[07:00] <knightwise> tell me about the dutch !
[07:00] <knightwise>  i work in holland , so i know how strange YOU guyz can be
[07:00] <MartijnVdS> We're not strange at all!
[07:08] <knightwise> hey Girly-Girl
[07:13] <GirlyGirl> knightwise: Hi
[07:43] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:46] <knightwise> hey AlanBell
[07:47] <rml_home> am I going to regret upgrading to 11.10?
[07:48]  * rml_home is in mid upgrade right now, but I absolutely need my VPN to work once it's finished
[07:50]  * rml_home frets
[07:50] <awilkins> I reall must persude my bossto let me work at home all week when the wifelet is on call.
[07:50] <AlanBell> rml_home: I am running it on my work laptop, it is fine. VPN works fine
[07:51] <awilkins> Trains are rubbish
[07:51] <knightwise> I read the post on lifehacker about the difference between gnome3 and unity
[07:51] <awilkins> So is my typing on a smartphone KB
[07:51] <AlanBell> rml_home: I gave up on the unity alt-tab switcher and picked one of the other compiz switchers, and I stopped the unity launcher from hiding
[07:51] <knightwise> conclusion was : they both suck but gnome3 sucks less
[07:52] <AlanBell> the unity launcher was always getting in the way of the browser back button
[07:52] <knightwise> i guess the gold old days of a taskbar at the bottom and being able to customise your machine .. are over
[07:52] <knightwise> I feel old when i think of that
[07:52] <AlanBell> yes, those days are over. I don't care.
[07:53] <awilkins> I'm irritated by the launcher not unhiding when you put the pointer top left, but that's only because I got used to the one in Natty
[07:53] <knightwise> AlanBell: i think i should just dive in ?
[07:53] <knightwise> cause even mint will be switching to gnome3
[07:53] <AlanBell> awilkins: yes, that annoyed me too
[07:53] <AlanBell> another reason to not autohide the launcher
[07:54] <AlanBell> I am not short of pixels
[07:54] <awilkins> After remapping capslock to "super" I'm happier (my keyboard has no Windows key)
[07:54] <rml_home> I'm currently on 10.4 and find unity a PITB.  Also it seems incapable of remembering my dual screen setup for more than one or two reboots.
[07:55] <awilkins> rml_home, nvidia card?
[07:55] <rml_home> ATI
[07:55] <awilkins> No idea how to fix that then
[07:55] <MartijnVdS> Don't use the non-free driver
[07:55] <MartijnVdS> it should work fine with the free drivers
[07:56] <rml_home> me neither :)  I'm hoping there has been sufficient whinging by others that it got addressed though
[07:56] <MartijnVdS> rml_home: file a bug, that's official whinging ;)
[07:56]  * rml_home nods
[07:58] <awilkins> I'm getting a lot of nasty crashes I think are linked to graphics.
[07:58] <awilkins> Vista seems to be stable, played Witcher 2 all evening
[07:58] <rml_home> MartijnVdS: pretty much everything I've read says "use the Catalyst driver" cos the Ubuntu ones aren't as good.
[07:59] <MartijnVdS> except the catalyst driver breaks every other upgrade
[07:59] <rml_home> MartijnVdS: has that changed?
[07:59] <rml_home> ah
[08:00] <AlanBell> UDS starts today
[08:00] <AlanBell> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p
[08:01] <MartijnVdS> And the first announcement is out
[08:01] <AlanBell> do remotely attend sessions about anything that interests, and anything that annoys you :)
[08:01] <MartijnVdS> "Ubuntu will be for phones and tablets"
[08:01] <MartijnVdS> (see ArsTechnica)
[08:01] <knightwise> aha .. so there is a strategy behind all the unity stuff
[08:01] <awilkins> Well, there had to be, really
[08:02] <awilkins> I wonder when UbuFone will be ready for the N900   (hint! hint!)
[08:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> does oneiric (Unity 3d) work in VBox? I couldn't get it to run last night - was wanting to have a play with gnome shell.
[08:02] <AlanBell> it does
[08:02] <MartijnVdS> gnome's hell
[08:03] <awilkins> Do you need the newer guest extensions?
[08:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> My lappy has vbox 4.1 but the oneiric screen just goes white once it has booted.
[08:04] <AlanBell> install the packaged guest extensions
[08:04] <AlanBell> oh, not seen the white screen
[08:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> As soon as I pass my mouse over the oneirc window after logging in - it goes white. Unity 2d is OK.
[08:05] <AlanBell> virtualbox-ose-guest-x11 installed in the guest normally does it
[08:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> Gnome shell does the same thing
[08:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> tried that.
[08:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> NM - will have another crack tonight prolly.
[08:06] <AlanBell> on the laptop too, same hardware as me
[08:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> not important
[08:06] <awilkins> Don't you also have to enable 3D on the VM display?
[08:06] <AlanBell> oh yeah, that too
[08:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> awilkins: Yeah - that's done.
[08:07] <awilkins> Hmmph. Different graphics driver on the host would be my next suggestion.
[08:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> Is there *anything* graphene isn't useful for? http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2011/10/graphene-is-better-as-a-threesome.ars
[08:08] <awilkins> Graphene curtains?
[08:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> Should think they'd be great - very light and flexible yet strong.
[08:10] <awilkins> But rather transparent
[08:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> you could paint them.
[08:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> Or cover them in thin cotton ;-)
[08:11] <awilkins> With... quantum dot suspension. Then they'd generate electricity too. Bloody know-it-all graphene
[08:12] <awilkins> Graphene condoms probably turn your kids into superheroes if they have a hole in them.....
[08:16] <awilkins> New "Florence" album today. Hooray.
[08:16] <MartijnVdS> has she fixed her voice to be less whiney on this one?
[08:17] <MartijnVdS> or annoyingly-pitched?
[08:17] <awilkins> Not got a copy yet. May actually visit a ...... shop  (oh, the shame of it)
[08:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> Get a bendy phone next year :-) http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2011/10/samsung-to-introduce-flexible-displays-in-devices-next-year.ars
[08:17] <MartijnVdS> Doesn't Amazon ship to your place? :P
[08:18] <awilkins> She is a bit Marmite, isn't she?
[08:18] <awilkins> Didnt know it was coming. Need cheering up. Will pay HMV immediacy premium
[08:19] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:20] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:21] <MooDoo> morning czajkowski how's the US?
[08:21] <czajkowski> nice so far
[08:21] <MooDoo> good good
[08:21] <awilkins> Florida less "turkish bath" in October?
[08:25] <DJones> Morning all
[08:26] <ali1234> what time is the UDS keynote?
[08:26] <ali1234> and is it streamed?
[08:26] <AlanBell> 1PM
[08:26] <AlanBell> http://video.ubuntu.com/live/
[08:27] <ali1234> cheers
[08:27] <AlanBell> there will be a better quality audio stream at http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/
[08:31] <popey> wheeee
[08:31] <MartijnVdS> popey: please don't wee in the channel ;P
[08:31] <DJones> Yes, you'd better do that before you get on the plane
[08:32] <popey> choo choo
[08:33] <diplo> morning all
[08:41] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: Should you not be *at work* already on your first day?
[08:50] <czajkowski> mail sent to the lists
[08:50] <czajkowski> ie and uk
[08:50] <czajkowski> :)
[08:50] <czajkowski> flying the flags
[08:51] <MooDoo> :)
[08:51] <czajkowski> MooDoo: I do try as much as possible to help both teams
[08:52] <MooDoo> czajkowski: i know :)
[08:52] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: tricky when work is in orlando
[08:52] <popey> and I am in the UK
[08:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[08:52]  * popey notes czajkowski doesn't proof-read her mails ☺
[08:53] <czajkowski> I did  what did I miss....
[08:53] <czajkowski> :/
[08:53] <DJones> Just blame it on google translate :)
[08:53] <czajkowski> :(
[08:53] <popey> heh
[08:53] <popey> en_ie to en_gb
[08:54] <czajkowski> I've en_gb running
[08:54] <czajkowski> :)
[08:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> an aberrant apostrophe, and ac instead of act were two I noticed. Also a few commas would help legibility. Marks out of 10? 4
[08:55] <mattt> morning
[08:55]  * mattt is sweepy today
[08:55] <popey> its more that the bit in the middle assumes quite a bit of knowledge
[08:55] <MartijnVdS> weepy? why? :P
[08:56] <popey> \o/ reigate
[08:56]  * TheOpenSourcerer wonders what on earth popey is doing in Reigate but is somehow unsurprised.
[08:57] <MooDoo> reigate surrey?  thought you were going to UDS popey ?
[08:57]  * mattt throws a slippery clog at MartijnVdS
[08:57]  * MooDoo needs coffee
[08:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> That's a great train track - Guildford to Reigate - Specially when the sun is out
[08:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: Will be on his way to Gatwick I expect
[08:57] <MooDoo> ah!
[08:57] <popey> ya
[08:57] <popey> it is a very nice track
[08:58]  * popey tickles schwuk 
[08:59] <sadsun> mornin
[08:59] <czajkowski> ohh the new area in the north terminal is NICE for BA
[08:59] <czajkowski> very swish
[08:59]  * schwuk giggles and tells popey to stop it
[09:00] <DJones> czajkowski: You flying business class?
[09:00] <czajkowski> nope
[09:01] <popey> hahaha
[09:01] <DJones> Shame
[09:02] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Laura Czajkowski] Taking part in UDS remotely - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/10/31/taking-part-in-uds-remotely/
[09:02] <DJones> Working in this industry, I'm always shocked at how much people pay for business class flights, £5-10K return
[09:03] <mattt> why?  i always fly business class.
[09:04] <czajkowski> DJones: it's not as if I'm gonna sleep on the flight
[09:04] <mattt> kidding, i've only been bumped up once.  :(
[09:04] <czajkowski> I usualy just read or watch movies  and hey presto land
[09:04] <mattt> czajkowski: how long's the flight?  bout 10-11 hours?
[09:04] <czajkowski> 9.5
[09:04] <mattt> the last time i flew to the US, i had to sit next to a lady w/ a baby on her lap
[09:05] <mattt> and she even asked me to hold the baby a few times while she did this and that :(
[09:05] <czajkowski> ok so you had to help someone
[09:05] <czajkowski> *shock*
[09:05] <mattt> it was odd
[09:05]  * mattt looks at baby in his hands
[09:05] <czajkowski> there was a lovely couple who had thier 4 year old boys and a 9 week old baby who never open his mouth during the flight
[09:05] <mattt> yeah, this boy was good too, didn't say boo
[09:06] <mattt> czajkowski: our work proxy blocks your blog post :(
[09:06] <czajkowski> tther was a 7 year old girl who cried a lott so they fed her sweets then she threw up
[09:06] <mattt> haha!
[09:06] <popey> i put some films on my ipad for the journey
[09:06] <MooDoo> my rosie has a fab pair of lungs on her :S
[09:06] <czajkowski> MooDoo: :)
[09:08] <bigcalm> Morning peeps :)
[09:08] <jerome__> !
[09:09] <czajkowski> MooDoo: how old is she now ?
[09:09] <czajkowski> this 9 week old baby just slept and was fed and changed.
[09:10] <czajkowski> he wwas adorably cute
[09:10] <MooDoo> czajkowski: 6 weeks :)
[09:10] <MooDoo> czajkowski: sorry make that 7
[09:11] <mattt> you don't typically fly with a 6 or 7 week old, do you?
[09:11] <czajkowski> aww
[09:11] <MooDoo> mattt: i wouldn't dream of it....
[09:11] <czajkowski> forgot tis a bank holiday in .ie today
[09:11] <MooDoo> czajkowski: she's smiling now as well :D
[09:12] <czajkowski> MooDoo: so she doesnt cry all the time then :)
[09:12] <MooDoo> czajkowski: no not all the time but when she does, you know about it
[09:12] <mattt> wonder at what point david cameron's going to start reclaiming bank holidays
[09:12] <czajkowski> heh
[09:13] <czajkowski> mattt: and is the older one getting oon with her ?
[09:13] <MooDoo> !politics
[09:13] <lubotu3`> Please take political discussion to ##politics-uk. Thank you!
[09:13] <MooDoo> sorry couldn't resist :)
[09:13]  * mattt stares at MooDoo :/
[09:13] <MooDoo> hee hee :)
[09:14]  * mattt goes back to work
[09:14] <DJones> Following on from that, on twitter for Queen_UK "Looking into making Mondays illegal" :)
[09:15] <czajkowski> yeah ye kinda have a lot uring the summer then nothing  till christmas
[09:15] <czajkowski> :/
[09:22] <bigcalm> What's the desktop calender application of choice these days? One that will sync with google apps
[09:27] <MartijnVdS> I just use the Google Calendar web interface
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> it's also synced to my phone, which goes "ding" when I have something coming up
[09:32] <JamesTait> Happy Hallowe'en! >:-D
[09:32] <MooDoo> oh yeah so it is
[09:42] <daubers> Morning
[09:43]  * daubers just booked his bike test :-s
[09:45] <MooDoo> daubers: awesome, :)
[09:45] <BigRedS> daubers: whoop!
[09:48] <daubers> hopefully I'll have it all done by december
[09:48] <MooDoo> daubers: yay, ubuntu-uk bike ride :)
[09:48] <daubers> heh
[09:48] <daubers> Bikers to Oggcamp :)
[09:49] <diplo> I want to do mine daubers
[09:49] <diplo> Doing a all in one test ?
[09:49]  * MooDoo did mine in 92, i'm so old
[09:49] <diplo> MooDoo, I should have done mine back then
[09:49] <daubers> diplo: No, am doing the DAS, but doing it over 2 weekends
[09:49] <MooDoo> :)
[09:49] <diplo> Taken my CBT 4 times over the years
[09:49] <MooDoo> was easier back then
[09:52] <diplo> If you don't mind, how much is it costing you daubers  ?
[09:52] <popey> \o/ Gatwick
[09:52] <MooDoo> o/
[09:52] <popey> \o/ Blue Screen of Death on the indicator boards
[09:52] <daubers> diplo: Doing it through the same place I did my CBT so they've taken that off... but it's still £565 all in
[09:52] <diplo> :(
[09:52] <daubers> popey: All the boards at cairo had a warning on them saying flash player 7 had crashed :)
[09:52] <diplo> I'm findiong it hard to save the cash to pay for it atm
[09:52] <daubers> diplo: Taken me 3 months to get that together
[09:53] <diplo> Yeah, think more like 6-12 months for me :/
[09:53] <daubers> yeah, I was looking at that, but had an unexpected bonus for being awesome
[09:53] <schwuk> daubers: you'll love it - I did my DAS this time last year (in fact my Module 1 was a year ago tomorrow)
[09:54] <daubers> schwuk: I'm fretting a tad about the size of the bike, but got a days tuition before hand, so hopefully will be fine!
[09:55] <MooDoo> daubers: what you training on, a 125 or going for the big one straight away?
[09:55] <daubers> MooDoo: Going straight to a larger one. Been riding a 125 for 18 months
[09:55] <MooDoo> daubers: sweet :)
[09:56] <daubers> Hopefully try and buy a 500 next year, then in a few years time get the then equivalent of a Pan Euro :)
[09:56] <schwuk> daubers: I did my CBT on a 125 (obviously), then straight to a 650 for the DAS. I was struggling with the figure of eight, so borrowed my friend's Pan European (1100!) to practise on and been riding it ever since. You'll be fine. :)
[09:57] <daubers> schwuk: I want one :( Been to the bike show 2 years running and sat and drooled at one
[09:57] <MooDoo> :)
[09:57] <daubers> ultimate aim is to go touring round europe on a nice bike with the missus
[09:58] <MooDoo> sounds awesome.....
[09:58] <schwuk> daubers: I love it. I prefer cruisers (and will by another one next year), but this Pan has been sitting in his drive for years so we share the running costs.
[09:58] <MooDoo> i want a zx12 next, but it's only a pipe dream :D
[09:58] <schwuk> daubers: same plan here
[09:58] <daubers> schwuk: Heh, Ubuntu-UK goes to Europe :p
[09:58] <MooDoo> yay!
[09:59] <MooDoo> next summer we ought to meet up some where for a ride out
[09:59] <daubers> MooDoo: If I have a bike by then, you're on :)
[09:59] <MooDoo> :D
[09:59] <popey> ooooh
[10:00] <popey> 'go to gate'
[10:00] <MooDoo> you're enjoying this aren't you popey?
[10:00] <popey> hah
[10:00] <popey> who wouldn't!
[10:00] <popey> ttfn
[10:01] <bigcalm> Have fun
[10:03] <DJones> Enjoy yourself
[10:03] <bigcalm> It's later than you think
[10:15] <DJones> This might be handy for Virgin & spotify users http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/42796/virgin-media-bundles-spotify-premium
[10:16] <MooDoo> 6 months
[10:21] <MartijnVdS> hey that looks familiar
[10:21] <MartijnVdS> KPN is doing that as well over here
[10:22] <sadsun> what kind of deal does kpn have?
[10:23] <sadsun> ah we have spotify in the netherlands as well?
[10:28] <MartijnVdS> sadsun: you get free Spotify Premium as long as you're their customer
[10:33] <bigcalm> Heh
[10:34]  * BigRedS seems to have missed the bike talk :(
[10:35] <MartijnVdS> the bike talk?
[10:35] <MartijnVdS> is that like the birds & bees talk?
[10:36] <MooDoo> bigcalm: daubers is doing his test, and we're arranging ubuntu-uk bike rides  ;)
[10:36] <BigRedS> I'm not bigcalm :)
[10:36] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: you're big<Tab>!
[10:36] <MooDoo> rats
[10:36] <kirrus> So, BigRedS is just Big?
[10:36] <MooDoo> sorry BigRedS :)
[10:36] <BigRedS> MooDoo: it's alright, everyone does it
[10:36] <BigRedS> I think it annoys bigcalm more :)
[10:36]  * bigcalm eyes the channel for a moment
[10:36] <bigcalm> :P
[10:37] <MartijnVdS> even though he's the calm one!
[10:37] <bigcalm> I wouldn't say 'annoy' is the right term
[10:38] <BigRedS> haha, anyway MooDoo, road trip to fosdem?
[10:38] <BigRedS> well, day's ride or so if we're all on pans :)
[10:38] <daubers> :( Won't be able to afford a pan for a little while
[10:39] <MooDoo> pmsl, i'll stick to my bandit for the moment
[10:39] <BigRedS> hmpf. Everybody needs a pan.
[10:47] <daubers> BigRedS: Aim is to buy a pan (or equivalent at that point) in a couple of years
[10:47] <oli> a pan?
[10:47] <daubers> oli: http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/Manufacturers/Honda/Pan-European/
[10:48] <oli> I see!
[11:22] <andyc> Does anyone know if there's an easy way to customise an indicator applet?  I want to change the volume control launched by the sound indicator applet
[11:39] <MartijnVdS> what do you want to change about it
[11:40] <andyc> I used xubuntu and it launches the xfce mixer rather than the pulseaudio volume control
[11:41] <andyc> s/used/use
[11:46] <MartijnVdS> does xfce even use indicators?
[11:47] <MartijnVdS> I thought it used "normal" notifications
[11:48] <andyc> I have an indicator applet in my panel so I assume they've been added for xubuntu
[11:59] <siya> Anyone aware of a replacement for xt or xtraceroute ?
[11:59] <siya> Looking for a way to have a visually mapped traceroute
[12:00] <siya> An online service to map a traceroute from text would make me equally happy right now
[12:01] <MartijnVdS> siya: what are you trying to accomplish that doesn't work with the text-mode traceroute?
[12:01] <siya> MartijnVdS, I want to see where each hop is located
[12:02] <siya> I'm being routed via the USA to get to a host I know is in the UK
[12:02] <siya> Just need to send my ISP something simple enough for their first line support
[12:02] <MartijnVdS> siya: so it shuold do geoip?
[12:02] <siya> yes
[12:02] <MartijnVdS> because just because the hostname says "usa" doesn't mean it's there
[12:02] <siya> mtr shows me the latency
[12:03] <siya> http://www.yougetsignal.com/ shows me some of the hops are in the US
[12:03] <MartijnVdS> it can be wrong too :)
[12:03] <MartijnVdS> what's the IP?
[12:03] <siya> MartijnVdS, I can see two transatlantic hops merely by looking at the RTT
[12:03] <MartijnVdS> also, what are you going to do about it.. routing is automated these days
[12:04] <siya> Contact my ISP as I had no such issue with my previous ISP
[12:04] <siya> There must be something wrong with the transit they're getting
[12:04] <MartijnVdS> it doesn't have to be wrong
[12:04] <MartijnVdS> it could just be cheaper
[12:05] <siya> I'm coming from home.geurtscass.com and going to 158.230.100.117 I know where the destination is because it's my customer in Slough...
[12:05] <siya> Either way I'd like to let them know that I'm unhappy about it
[12:05] <MartijnVdS> siya: sure but which hop is in the US according toyou
[12:06] <MartijnVdS> a trace from my location to both of those go direct to the UK
[12:06] <siya> te0-3-0-2.ccr21.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com is where my packets enter the USA
[12:06] <siya> 0.ge-1-2-0.IL2.DCA4.ALTER.NET is the last hop in the USA
[12:06] <MartijnVdS> also, what's the problem with a few ms extra?
[12:07] <siya> idnet >> cogentco >> Alter >> uuk(?) >> customer
[12:08] <siya> a few msec? my ipsec vpn drops every 15 minutes or so. I see no need for introducing 170msec to my RTT, thank you very much ;)
[12:09] <diplo> Mine goes via US as well, 200ms response for me as well
[12:10] <diplo> Or via the same route :)
[12:10] <diplo> That alter.net is owned by Verizon
[12:11] <diplo> So defo US
[12:14] <ali1234>   * *  *   *   *        /usr/bin/echo hello >> /mnt/pools/A/A0/Backups/test1.txt
[12:14] <ali1234> what's wrong with that?
[12:15] <BigRedS> does it start with whitespace?
[12:15] <BigRedS> I've no idea if that's a problem...
[12:15] <ali1234> it does yeah
[12:15] <ali1234> it's a cron line
[12:15] <ali1234> what happens it... test1.txt is created, but contains nothing
[12:15] <BigRedS> oh
[12:16] <ali1234> it should say hellohellohellohello after 4 minutes
[12:16] <BigRedS> yeah
[12:17] <rhysmorgan> Can anyone point me to some info on how to create two dhcp ranges in one dhcpd.conf?
[12:17] <rhysmorgan> is it just a case of creating two pools?
[12:17] <ali1234> ah, it's /bin/echo not /usr/bin/echo
[12:18] <rhysmorgan> i.e. I would like 10.016.0-10.0.17.254 && 10.0.20.0-10.0.21.254
[12:19] <Myrtti> hello Finland, you miserable little country >___<
[12:24] <AlanBell> afternoon all
[12:25] <MooDoo> hi AlanBell
[12:30] <BigRedS> ali1234: aha!
[12:30] <ishan> can someone help me out with ubuntu connection and updation issues?
[12:31] <DJones> Seeing the discussion about UEFI and HP laptops had me panic a bit yesterday, I hadn't even realised my HP laptop used UEFI, it was only when I had notification of a UEFI/bios update that I realised
[12:34] <BigRedS> DJones: what's the issue? Or is it just with the secured uefi
[12:35] <BigRedS> ishan: probably, but not without knowing what the issues are :)
[12:35] <DJones> BigRedS: I haven't had any issue, I just half expected the update to cause a problem, thankfully it didn't
[12:35] <AlanBell> DJones: did you install from the 64 bit iso?
[12:35] <DJones> Yes
[12:35] <ishan> recently installed ubuntu 11.10. i access internet through proxy, but i havent been able to update anything from the software centre but the internet works just fine... whenever i try to get some update i am able to download most of it... but then it fails showing some repository issue or package could not be downloaded
[12:36] <AlanBell> ishan: which package?
[12:36] <ishan> alanbell: well i am new to this... so dont know much...
[12:36] <ishan> i cant even download the codec to play media files...
[12:37] <oli> ishan: if you could run sudo apt-get update from the command line, you'd [probably] see a better error message.
[12:37] <ishan> or download synaptics package
[12:37] <ishan> oli: should i paste the output here?
[12:37] <BigRedS> does apt play nice with http proxies? Might be worth apting over ftp
[12:38] <AlanBell> !pastebin
[12:38] <lubotu3`> For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[12:38] <oli> ishan: if there's tons of it, stick it on... Yeah, that ^^
[12:38] <ishan> oli: Ign http://archive.canonical.com oneiric InRelease Ign http://extras.ubuntu.com oneiric InRelease Get:1 http://archive.canonical.com oneiric Release.gpg [198 B] Get:2 http://extras.ubuntu.com oneiric Release.gpg [72 B]                   Hit http://archive.canonical.com oneiric Release                               Hit http://extras.ubuntu.com oneiric Release                           Hit http://archive.canonical.com oneiric/p
[12:39] <ishan> W: GPG error: http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu oneiric Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com> W: GPG error: http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu oneiric-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com> W: GPG error: http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu oneiric-backports Release: The foll
[12:39] <ishan> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[12:39] <AlanBell> what is iu.edu?
[12:39] <ishan> oli: did you get that?
[12:40] <Oli> One of the mirrors, I'd assume
[12:40] <Oli> ishan: I'd suggest you change mirrors to the Main mirror and try that again. Run `software-properties-gtk` and under "Download from" select Main server
[12:41] <Oli> Click Close and then run the sudo apt-get update
[12:43] <Oli> BigRedS: We get quite a few issues about Apt and HTTP proxies on AskUbuntu. Even if the proxy is configures "system-wide", APT ignores it and has to be told separately what proxy to use.
[12:44] <BigRedS> 'system-wide' only means 'In gnome' though, doesn't it?
[12:44] <AlanBell> some proxies block the urls for the liboobs and  libsexy packages :)
[12:45] <Oli> BigRedS: possibly - I thought it asked for root when you clicked system wide though (though that doesn't mean it's still only a variable read by gnome installations)
[12:47] <BigRedS> Oli: yeah, I don't think any of the 'system wide' proxy settings actually do make a system-wide change, like edit the firewall. They all seem to just hope everyone else honours their standard..
[12:48] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: they put stuff in the environment
[12:48] <MartijnVdS> and that's pretty well agreed upon
[12:48] <MartijnVdS> (http_proxy, ftp_proxy)
[12:48] <BigRedS> ahh
[12:49] <BigRedS> is there some problem with just telling iptables where to stick anything destined for :80 or :443, aside from not working on non-standard ports?
[12:49] <BigRedS> oh, if the environment variables work, I suppose that's more simple and doesn't need changing
[12:55] <ishan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/724312/
[12:58] <ishan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/724312/
[13:03] <ishan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/724312/
[13:03] <czajkowski> UDS live video stream just went live http://t.co/uF3CPR7b
[13:03] <Oli> ishan: you don't need to keep pasting it, it's still the latest message on all our screens (until now)
[13:03] <ishan> apology
[13:04]  * stevepdp is watching excitedly
[13:04] <BigRedS> ishan: I think the problem is just that none of us are sure how to fix it
[13:05] <Oli> UbuntuForums suggests there might be something crufty in there and multiple people suggest this works: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9697234&postcount=9
[13:05] <andyc> Pulseaudio is awesome - got kraftwerk out of my speakers and UDS stream coming through my usb headphones
[13:06] <Oli> ishan: But given you won't have aptitude installed, try `sudo apt-get update` instead (might not work the same, but it should)
[13:06] <dwatkins> I wonder if there's a way to enable debug logging for ishan's download issue, assuming I've interpretted correctly
[13:06] <Oli> andyc: Not too often you see people rejoicing PulseAudio :)
[13:08] <Oli> ishan: and some people suggest that re-adding the signing key might work, per http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10971829&postcount=2
[13:08] <dwatkins> ishan: I would use the -V option in a test update with apt-get to see what's going wrong, hopefully it'll say more about the downloads it's trying to do and we can pinpoint the relevant one
[13:09] <ishan> dwatkins: and how exactly do you use the -v option?
[13:10] <dwatkins> i.e. apt-get -V update
[13:10] <Oli> Is there a higher res version of the UDS stream? I'm watching http://fragaria.canonical.com:8080/stream.flv but it's blurry as hell
[13:10] <dwatkins> sorry, was making sure of the order
[13:10] <Oli> Or is this just the Jono Distortion Field?
[13:10] <dwatkins> ishan: better still: apt-get --print-uris update
[13:11] <ishan> dwatkins: what i need to write is "sudo apt-get --print-uris update" right?
[13:12] <dwatkins> ishan: yes
[13:15] <ishan> dwatkins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/724324/
[13:16] <mediamgl> Hi. Is anyone connected via O2 home broadband at the moment? I can no longer access Ubuntu and Canonical servers... Just trying to diagnose if it is my set-up (hasn't changed) or something that O2 may have changed.  :-s
[13:18] <smittix> Anyone know if iTunes syncs with an iPhone in virtual box?
[13:19] <iclebyte> smittix, it will do yea
[13:19] <dwatkins> ishan: I don't know what's going wrong, perhaps it's an issue with the signatures or your machine's ability to verify them locally. I'd check that networking is working properly (i.e. DNS isn't giving erroneous results) and ask on  #ubuntu
[13:19] <iclebyte> if you get the usb working correctly
[13:19] <smittix> No Windows/Mac Machines here so I have to find a decent way of doing it.
[13:19] <ishan> dwatkins: i use proxy for internet.... could that be the reason?
[13:20] <dwatkins> ishan: perhaps, yes - can you bypass the proxy?
[13:20] <dwatkins> (just as a test)
[13:21] <ishan> dwatkins: well i am in an educational facility... dont think thats gonna be possible...
[13:21] <ishan> and even if i manage this once...
[13:21] <ishan> what about the rest of the times when i need to update...
[13:21] <ishan> ?
[13:21] <dwatkins> ishan: can your browser access the pages it cites in your original error as "Failed to fetch..."?
[13:22] <ishan> well i cant see any failed to fetch in the terminal.
[13:23] <dwatkins> Your pastebin text shows several of these.
[13:23] <dwatkins> It says there's "No Hash entry" so I wonder if the proxy returned something other than the actual file to your Ubuntu machine.
[13:24] <ishan> well the first pastebin entry or the second?
[13:24] <dwatkins> first
[13:26] <ishan> SHA1:  3cd09b07b6507a5dc0ab5766f7417e8fa8a61b0c 1190 Translation-en.bz2
[13:26] <ishan> this is what i am getting
[13:27] <ishan> dwatkins: i dont think the browser is able to open....
[13:27] <dwatkins> Getting when?
[13:27] <ishan> when i try to open the failed to fetch web page
[13:28] <ishan> on the browser..
[13:28] <dwatkins> Which file is this? Can you test with wget at the command line to see if the server gets it ok, or is returned some kind of proxy authentication page or something?
[13:28] <ishan> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/oneiric-updates/multiverse/i18n/Index
[13:28] <ishan> i was trying to open this on the browser...
[13:28] <ishan> and this is what i got...
[13:29] <ishan> SHA1:  3cd09b07b6507a5dc0ab5766f7417e8fa8a61b0c 1190 Translation-en.bz2
[13:29] <ishan> and what do you want me to try?
[13:29] <ishan> also at times i can start the update/download...
[13:29] <ishan> but almost near the end it gets stuck saying package now available or repository not available
[13:32] <dwatkins>  wget -q -O - http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/oneiric-updates/multiverse/i18n/Index
[13:32] <dwatkins> Quietly get the file and output to the terminal.
[13:34] <ishan> dwatkins: it produces the same result as the browser
[13:34] <dwatkins> in that case I don't know what's going wrong, sorry.
[13:34] <ishan>  wget -q -O - http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/oneiric-updates/multiverse/i18n/Index
[13:34] <ishan> dwatkins: allright....
[13:34] <ishan> can you suggest somewhere i can get help?
[13:34] <dwatkins> I did ;)
[13:35] <dwatkins> Join the channel #ubuntu and ask there :)
[13:35] <dwatkins> You may have luck googling the errors, I don't know.
[13:35] <ishan> well you were of great help sure...
[13:35] <dwatkins> Sorry
[13:36] <AlanBell> ishan: not the very best time to ask, lots of people are watching the keynote speech at the Ubuntu developer summit
[13:36] <dwatkins> Also, I tried my best.
[13:36] <AlanBell> yes
[13:42] <smittix> AlanBell: Is there a live stream at all?
 UDS live video stream just went live http://t.co/uF3CPR7b
[13:42] <MooDoo> oh yeah, there's mark :)
[13:43] <bigcalm> Does it require flash?
[13:43] <smittix> Who's Mark?
[13:43]  * smittix hides
[13:43] <dwatkins> bigcalm: yeah
[13:43] <MartijnVdS> smittix: one of the UUPC presenters, right?
[13:43] <bigcalm> Oh, apparently not
[13:43] <MooDoo> smittix: he's the founder of fedora ;)
[13:43] <dwatkins> oh interesting
[13:43] <bigcalm> Hang on
[13:43] <bigcalm> :(
[13:43] <smittix> MooDoo: Ahh!
[13:43] <MooDoo> smittix: you are kidding right?
[13:44] <bigcalm> I thought I had flash removed from this system
[13:44]  * MooDoo isn't quite sure
[13:44] <smittix> MooDoo: Of course
[13:44] <smittix> haha
[13:44] <MooDoo> :p
[13:44] <ali1234> my internet cut out, what did he just say?
[13:44] <bigcalm> Oh well, it's playing :S
[13:44] <bigcalm> Nothing
[13:44] <dwatkins> bigcalm: you could stream it manually from the file in the source with VLC I imagine
[13:44] <MooDoo> works ok in chrome
[13:44] <Oli> Or Totem.
[13:44] <smittix> Sure Can, That's how I am streaming at the mo.
[13:44] <smittix> Bah auto focus
[13:44] <Oli> Just stick http://fragaria.canonical.com:8080/stream.flv in
[13:45] <Oli> ZOOM!
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> fedora.canonical.com -- see? it's starting
[13:45] <bigcalm> I heard that as 'Arms tech' Not "ARM's tech"
[13:46] <ali1234> i spent the first half of the keynote thinking "what's OM?"
[13:46] <czajkowski> I met davmor2
[13:46] <czajkowski> and didnt kill him
[13:47] <czajkowski> did poke him though
[13:47] <MooDoo> czajkowski: oh what a let down
[13:47] <bigcalm> Haha
[13:47] <czajkowski> Pendulum: can attest to it
[13:47] <MooDoo> czajkowski: thought you were tougher than that
[13:47] <Pendulum> MooDoo: he poked her first. war has been declared
[13:47] <bigcalm> czajkowski: please try not to kill him, he's in charge of the monthly work from home work place day
[13:47] <MooDoo> Pendulum: sick him ;)
[13:47]  * bigcalm needs to get out of the house more offten
[13:48] <czajkowski> bigcalm: co working spaces are the way forward
[13:48] <bigcalm> Anybody clapping at home?
[13:48] <smittix> I just Yahoo'd
[13:48] <MartijnVdS> smittix: And?
[13:48] <bigcalm> 404?
[13:48] <smittix> Found out it's a search engine.
[13:49] <MartijnVdS> smittix: they're just a front-end for Bing now right?
[13:49] <smittix> or "was"
[13:49] <smittix> What's Bing?
[13:49] <MartijnVdS> MS Google
[13:49] <smittix> Thought so.
[13:50] <bigcalm> From the Google family
[13:51] <smittix> Is google that place with the big search engine? what's it called again?.. Lycos?
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> don't you mean Altavista or HotBot?
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> (do those still exist?)
[13:51] <bigcalm> Was Lycos the one with the dog?
[13:51] <smittix> Altavista does.
[13:52] <smittix> bigcalm: indeed
[13:52]  * bigcalm remembers Astalavista with fondness ;)
[13:53] <MartijnVdS> hm
[13:53] <MooDoo> czajkowski: give pleia2 a hug for me :)
[13:53] <bigcalm> He can't keep still!
[13:54] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: ?!
[13:54] <bigcalm> The presenter from the video stream I linked to
[13:54] <czajkowski> MooDoo: tick DONE
[13:54] <smittix> Speaking of old stuff, I need to update my version of Mosaic Web Browser.
[13:54] <MooDoo> czajkowski: thank you :)
[13:56] <bigcalm> Speaking of old stuff, when does popey expect to get to UDS?
[13:57] <MooDoo> bigcalm: about 9 hours
[13:57] <smittix> heh
[13:57] <DJones> I'd guess it'll be early evening uk time, wasn't it about an 8 hour flight with him leaving about 10:30-11am (uk times)
[13:58] <Pendulum> did his flight get out?
[13:58] <Pendulum> last I heard he was delayed
[13:58] <DJones> I think he got away
[13:58] <MooDoo> last ggogle+ was "goodby cloudy gatwick"
[13:59] <Pendulum> :D
[13:59] <DJones> http://twitter.com/#!/popey/status/130976568746061824/photo/1
[14:04] <bigcalm> Chinny!
[14:04] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: no, Raving Racoon is 13.04 ;)
[14:04] <bigcalm> Haha
[14:06] <bigcalm> I think Jono is trying to be American :S
[14:06] <bigcalm> Aq!
[14:07] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: he's been trying for years ;)
[14:07] <ali1234> so many nerds
[14:07] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: ever since he married an American :)
[14:08] <bigcalm> Jono and Aq are the only 2 I've noticed so far
[14:09] <bigcalm> Is this the only live stream from UDS?
[14:10] <bigcalm> Shorts :S I guess it's warm there still
[14:14] <daubers> Hmm... Asus are saying they have HDD inventory until the end of November
[14:15] <bigcalm> Has SSD production been affected in the same way as HDD?
[14:16] <clockwatch> What's the problem with HDDs?
[14:16] <daubers> clockwatch: Flooding in Thailand has annihalated production
[14:16] <sadsun> they are slow?
[14:16] <daubers> bigcalm: Don't think so
[14:26] <Oli> I think it's going to be a good excuse to raise the prices of everything for a while.
[14:26] <BigRedS> Oli: I'm rather hoping SSD manufacturers use it as an opportunity to keep costs as they are and suddenly be even more competetive
[14:27] <Oli> Ha!
[14:27] <BigRedS> but, no doubt, spinning disk mfrs will need to raise costs to earn the money to replace what broke
[14:27] <BigRedS> Oli: They could clearly do with it. I suspect the premium ones will get more expensive and the cheapo ones less so
[14:29] <webmobster> @search Analysis: With an Introduction to Proof
[14:34] <Oli> Some people suggest the price rise is over 100% in the UK (I haven't tracked any real prices so they may be BS) but that sort of rise at the lower capacity is going to drive people to SSDs and that's going to impact on SSD supplies, spiking their prices too. You see similar things when a single major component supplier has issues - everybody else makes a fortune from it.
[14:44] <MartijnVdS> 2T disks went up 100% in .nl
[14:45] <bigcalm> Anybody want some PATA discs? I have 9 recently pulled from old machines
[14:45] <hamitron> bigcalm, how big?
[14:45] <Oli> Rofl, I step away for two minutes and now there appears to be somebody lying on their back on the UDS main stage
[14:45] <bigcalm> 3.5"
[14:45] <hamitron> I mean capacity
[14:45] <hamitron> :)
[14:45] <bigcalm> :D
[14:48] <bigcalm> hamitron: I think they range from 10gb to 40gb
[14:49] <bigcalm> I'm likely to take a hammer to them
[14:49] <hamitron> why? :|
[14:49] <bigcalm> Because of the content
[14:49] <hamitron> ah
[14:50] <bigcalm> I cba to connect up each one for a low level format
[14:50] <hamitron> I guess it is one way of securing data easy
[14:50] <hamitron> but can't you format 4 at once with a usb boot disk?
[14:50] <hamitron> ;)
[14:51] <hamitron> assuming you have an old crappy comp like me
[15:42] <buzz_> where are all the ppa i386 builders :/
[15:43] <buzz_> seems everytime i upload some stuff to my ppa, the builders have been taken away to go and do something else.
[15:43] <buzz_> i386 	6 	68 jobs (3 hours 40 minutes)
[15:44] <brobostigon> hsdpa + android/screen + irssi + bitlbee, to the rescue. :)
[16:09] <The_Fred> hello
[16:10] <tonytiger> Hi The_Fred
[16:11] <The_Fred> what the channel for ubuntu networking please?
[16:12] <tonytiger> I don't think there is one: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[16:12] <The_Fred> i was just looking there
[16:18] <MooDoo> The_Fred: what did you having in mind?  just ubuntu chit chat?  or you after an ubuntu contact in your area for a specific reason?
[16:19] <The_Fred> i've a networking problem and im utterly stuck
[16:19] <The_Fred> ive search channel list but there seems to be no networking channel
[16:19] <MooDoo> The_Fred: ask away, if there is anyone who can help you in here they will
[16:19] <kirrus> The_Fred: best to just ask for help in here, or #ubuntu. We don't split channel types for different Ubuntu-related problems :)
[16:20] <The_Fred> Thanks MooDoo , the problem is on my desktop network manager is not playing- so Im trying to connect to a wireless connection (I have the key) but its not connecting
[16:21] <kirrus> The_Fred: can you describe what is happening when you try to connect? What do you mean by the desktop network manager not playing? :)
[16:21] <MooDoo> The_Fred: what version of ubuntu are you using, i had a similar issue, and it was down to the driver i was using
[16:21] <MooDoo> when ubuntu does it's hardware check if found two drivers for my wireless card, one didn't work, i tried the other :)
[16:22] <The_Fred> The desktop runs 10.04 lts, and i've somehow lost network manager - i tried starting the applet but it threw an error
[16:22] <The_Fred> The card is claimed, and with iwlist wlan1 scan I can see the ap
[16:25] <The_Fred> all goes well until it get to iwconfig wlan1 key restricted XXXXX
[16:25] <The_Fred> it throws an error: SET failed on device wlan1; invalid arugment
[16:25] <MartijnVdS> why are you trying to set a WEP key manually?
[16:25] <czajkowski> more poking of davmor2
[16:26] <jacobw> which instructions are you following?
[16:26] <MooDoo> czajkowski: poke him for me please :)
[16:26] <The_Fred> MartijnVdS, because I cannot get network manager to start
[16:28] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod, stab, kick, hug I'm not sure will upset you most
[16:28] <czajkowski> NO KICKING
[16:28] <czajkowski> we're not in a stables my dear
[16:28] <The_Fred> jacobw, I've been following the instructions from all over google
[16:31] <jacobw> ifconfig wlanX up; iwconfig wlanX essid Y; iwconfig wlanX Z ?
[16:31] <jacobw> The_Fred: you can't set a WPA key with iwconfig
[16:31] <The_Fred> its a WEP key
[16:32] <jacobw> how are you trying to start nm-applet?
[16:32] <The_Fred> via terminal
[16:34] <MartijnVdS> and is network-manager actually running? is there anything in the log (/var/log/something)
[16:34] <The_Fred> when I try nm-applet &      It throws a lot of errors about service files
[16:34] <The_Fred> checking log messages now
[16:35] <MartijnVdS> sounds like dbus problems
[16:36] <The_Fred> there is one particular message ... MASQUERADE:  lo ate my IP address ????
[16:36] <jacobw> odd
[16:36] <The_Fred> yup
[16:36] <MartijnVdS> The_Fred: HAve you manually configured things wrt. the network?
[16:37] <MartijnVdS> MASQUERADE would be firewalling/NAT related
[16:38] <The_Fred> yea, I WAS trying (about 2 month ago) to share a net connection over bluetooth... im not sure what I've done to it now :-(
[16:43] <The_Fred> MartijnVdS, I've edited the /etc/network/interaces
[16:44] <The_Fred> *interfaces
[16:44] <MartijnVdS> that will also be why network-manager doesn't work
[16:44] <MartijnVdS> it looks at /etc/network/interfaces to see which devices it should manage
[16:44] <The_Fred> no, it was because network manager would not start that I had to manulay edit interfaces
[16:45] <MartijnVdS> The_Fred: my /etc/network/interfaces has two lines:
[16:45] <MartijnVdS> auto lo
[16:45] <MartijnVdS> iface lo inet loopback
[16:45] <MartijnVdS> everything else is automagic
[16:45] <The_Fred> there is:
[16:45] <The_Fred> auto lo
[16:45] <The_Fred> iface lo inet loopback
[16:45] <The_Fred> auto wlan1
[16:46] <The_Fred> iface wlan1 inet dhcp
[16:46] <MartijnVdS> Remove the wlan1 lines -- network-manager won't pick up wlan1 if they're in /etc/network/interfaces
[16:46] <MartijnVdS> you might have to restart network-manager after editing /etc/network/interfaces
[16:46] <The_Fred> ok, i'll try that now
[16:46] <MartijnVdS> The_Fred: something also seems to be setting iptables rules, you might want to disable those too
[16:48] <The_Fred> ok, thats the interfaces file stripped as suggested
[16:48] <The_Fred> yes, there was something i did about iptables - i cant recall what right now
[16:49] <The_Fred> so, to start network manager applet, its just : sudo nm-applet & ?
[16:49] <MartijnVdS> no
[16:49] <MartijnVdS> don't start nm-applet as root
[16:49] <MartijnVdS> start it as yourself
[16:49] <The_Fred> ok, thanks
[16:50] <The_Fred> hmm, WARNING: constructor() couldnt initialise the D-Bus manager
[16:51] <The_Fred> thats from when I did me@desktop$ nm-applet &
[16:51] <The_Fred> the icon has appeared, but there's a grey'd out box under it with "NetworkManager is not running" in it...
[16:54] <MartijnVdS> The_Fred: can you check in /etc/rsyslog.d/50-default.conf if the line with "daemon.*" on it is commented or not? (# in front)
[16:55] <MartijnVdS> The_Fred: if so, remove the # on that line
[16:55] <MartijnVdS> then:
[16:55] <MartijnVdS> sudo restart rsyslog
[16:55] <MartijnVdS> then:
[16:55] <MartijnVdS> sudo restart network-manager
[16:55] <MartijnVdS> then check /var/log/daemon.log
[16:57] <The_Fred> MartijnVdS, in rsyslog.conf, there is no comment (assuming comments begin with #?)
[16:57] <MartijnVdS> The_Fred: then only do the sudo restart network-manager bit and check /var/log/daemon.log
[16:58] <The_Fred> I got: Unknown job: network-manager
[16:59] <MartijnVdS> /etc/init.d/network-manager restart
[16:59] <MartijnVdS> that then?
[17:00] <The_Fred> command not found
[17:00] <MartijnVdS> sounds like you removed the network-manager daemon
[17:00] <MartijnVdS> or at least its init scripts
[17:01] <MartijnVdS> The_Fred: apt-get install network-manager
[17:01] <The_Fred> I'm not sure what I did now - i've moved house since I tried to share net connect over bluetooth :-(
[17:02] <The_Fred> network manager is already the newest version.
[17:02] <MartijnVdS> well it's not a good sign if those commands don't work
[17:03] <The_Fred> yea - i think im going to download the network-manager deb (et al) via this pc and save to usb drive or install
[17:06] <The_Fred> MartijnVdS, many thanks for your help
[17:06] <MartijnVdS> The_Fred: if you install that with dpkg --force-confnew -i file.deb
[17:07] <MartijnVdS> The_Fred: you should get any config files (files in /etc) back
[17:07] <The_Fred> thats brilliant - thanks for the heads-up
[17:07] <MartijnVdS> sorry
[17:07] <MartijnVdS> force-confmiss
[17:16] <smittix> Bloody Trick or Treaters
[17:16]  * jacobw mails smittix some haribo
[17:17] <smittix> everytime i sit down, theres another knock at the door? don't these kids have computers?
[17:17] <smittix> heh
[17:17] <MartijnVdS> smittix: Time for a shotgun :)
[17:17] <smittix> Trying to read up on bash scripting.
[17:18] <MartijnVdS> smittix: the Advanced Bash Scripting Guide?
[17:18] <smittix> Yarr
[17:18] <smittix> well, im trying to make myself a script that customises a new install for me.
[17:19] <jacobw> is bash's vi mode common knowledge?
[17:19] <kirrus> jacobw: bash's vi mode?
[17:19] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: it's actually libreadline's vi mode
[17:20] <jacobw> MartijnVdS: ah ha
[17:20] <jacobw> kirrus: set -o vi
[17:20] <MartijnVdS> and then you get lots of beeps and curses because of "edit mode" vs "insert mode"
[17:21] <kirrus> Strange
[17:21] <kirrus> I think I'll stick to ordinary bash
[17:21] <smittix> Im trying to find out how to replace a word in a file
[17:22] <kirrus> sed -i 's/old-word/new-word/' filename
[17:22] <smittix> well thats one customisation done.
[17:22] <smittix> heh
[17:22] <smittix> ta
[17:22] <kirrus> smittix: that should replace the first instance of the word. If you want to replace all instances, use ...'new-word/g'
[17:23] <smittix> should be only one instance of the word anyway.
[17:23] <kirrus> smittix: if you want it to make a backup, incase you screwed up the regex, use -i.bak (or -bak, or whatever). It'll make a copy of the file from before sed had at it, with .bak on the end of the filename
[17:24] <jacobw> catonmat.net has lots of bash and utils material
[17:24] <smittix> jacobw: Thanks ill check that out.
[17:24] <andyc> kirrus, I never knew that... I'll remember that one!
[17:25] <Oli> Woot. New Humble Indie "Bundle"! http://www.humblebundle.com/
[17:25] <andyc> (Using -i.nabk)
[17:25] <jacobw> \o/
[17:25] <smittix> I would really like to create a gui version of this but wouldnt know where to start. I could do it in VB but ...
[17:26] <MartijnVdS> Oli: ANOTHER bundle?
[17:26] <MartijnVdS> Oli: they do 5 a year now?
[17:26] <jacobw> smittix: pygtk
[17:27] <Oli> Apparently :) I'm not complaining. I'm getting tons of Linux-native games through it
[17:27] <MartijnVdS> Oli: I've bought 2 bundles, but I never play the games :(
[17:27]  * jacobw investigates whether zenity is still usable
[17:27] <Oli> MartijnVdS: That's sad :( They're good games.
[17:27] <MartijnVdS> Oli: Sure, but I just forget about them or something
[17:28] <MartijnVdS> It's not that I don't _want_ to play them
[17:28] <jacobw> smittix: http://library.gnome.org/users/zenity/stable/
[17:28] <Oli> VVVVVV was a real gem in the last bundle-bundle
[17:29] <jacobw> smittix: gui dialogues from shell scripts
[17:29] <smittix> Is zenity installed by default?
[17:30] <smittix> I really should learn python or something
[17:34] <smittix> I Tried using quickly create, it didnt turn out well.
[17:46] <directhex> monodevelop!
[17:47] <jacobw> is that a suggestion or a command ;)
[17:49] <MartijnVdS> it's abuse ;)
[17:49] <jacobw> hehe
[18:29] <BigRedS> Man, AWS is rubbish.
[18:30] <KrisDouglas> BigRedS, as in Amazon?
[18:31] <BigRedS> KrisDouglas: yeah. That or our customer's missed the point
[18:32] <BigRedS> the only way in is ssh
[18:32] <BigRedS> which makes debugging boot problems a tad tricky
[18:32] <jpds> BigRedS: euca-get-console-output ?
[18:32] <KrisDouglas> BigRedS, I never really liked the idea
[18:33] <KrisDouglas> I failed to see how it was cheaper than our rack in notts.
[18:35] <jpds> KrisDouglas: No need to buy servers, colo, power, ... ?
[18:41] <BigRedS> jpds: yeah, boot messages imply it's up, but I can't ssh in
[18:41] <kirrus> KrisDouglas: the main plus is the ability to dynamically scale
[18:41] <BigRedS> so I wanna plug a monitor and keyboard in...
[18:42] <jpds> BigRedS: Check that SSH is in the security group?
[18:42] <BigRedS> yeah, on around 15% of boots it works
[18:42] <BigRedS> but I think half the point of this cloudy thing is that when this happens I spawn a new instance and kill this one
[18:55] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod, prod, proddy, prod, prod
[18:58] <bigcalm> Having fun there davmor2?
[19:00] <davmor2> bigcalm: you have to right, I'm still alive so I haven't annoyed czajkowski enough obviously :D
[19:00] <davmor2> bigcalm: that or I'm tougher to kill than expected
[19:01] <bigcalm> :)
[19:03] <czajkowski> it's day 1
[19:05] <bigcalm> Which will bruise 1st - czajkowski's skin or davmor2's finger?
[19:06] <davmor2> bigcalm: my skin from czajkowski thumping more realistically
[19:06] <czajkowski> indeed
[19:06] <czajkowski> I got a good one in
[19:06] <Pendulum> czajkowski: well done
[19:11] <davmor2> czajkowski: thank god if that was a good one I'll still be alive at the end of the week :P
[19:11] <smittix> anyone use indicator-sysmonitor?
[19:12] <czajkowski> davmor2: see now challenge accepted
[19:27] <geekMePlease> Where can you find the list of re-released ubuntu 11.10 packages?
[19:28] <geekMePlease> I am wondering if there is any fix to the network manager.
[19:28] <geekMePlease> * to get Huawei E367 working with 11.10
[19:32] <tonytiger> geekMePlease: what do you mean by re-released?
[19:50] <mrevell> Thanks everyone on IRC
[19:50] <mrevell> oops, wrong channel
[19:52]  * czajkowski pats mrevell noggin 
[19:54]  * gord thanks everyone on irc anyway
[19:54] <Pendulum> gord: I am sorry about the tea. If you find me, I will explain
[21:02] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alistair McKinlay] Video of the Week: Humble Voxatron Debut - http://www.10people.co.uk/index.php/2011/10/video-of-the-week-humble-voxatron-debut/
[21:27] <christel> AlanBell: are you doing anything exciting for bonfire night?
[21:29]  * bigcalm tickles christel
[21:30]  * christel tickles bigcalm 
[21:30]  * bigcalm turns to jelly
[21:31] <bigcalm> How are you my dear?
[21:41] <mattt> no tickling in here
[22:24] <ishan> some real help needed...
[22:24] <ishan> concerning networking issues..
[22:24] <ishan> stuck over the same issue for over a week...
[22:24] <ishan> help!!!
[22:27] <mgdm> what's wrong?
[22:28] <ishan> well i recently installed 11.10
[22:28] <ishan> and i use proxy for internet..
[22:28] <ishan> the browser works just fine...
[22:28] <ishan> but i cant just seem make a download...
[22:28] <ishan> or update...
[22:29] <ishan> the update starts and then gets stuck towards the end...
[22:29] <mgdm> where did you set the proxy?
[22:29] <ishan> in the browser as well as system wide setting...
[22:29] <ishan> it shows various errors...
[22:29] <ishan> packet not found...
[22:29] <ishan> badsig
[22:29] <ishan> repository not found...
[22:30] <ishan> it always starts updating cache and then leaves in the middle...
[22:30] <ishan> it asks me to check my internet settings
[22:30] <ishan> i dont know what to do
[22:31] <mgdm> Hmmm
[22:33] <ishan> any ideas?
[22:34] <mgdm> Not right now, I'm not running that version so i can't really test it
[22:35] <ishan> any idea where can i get some help?
[22:35] <mgdm> #ubuntu, but it's a bit busy
[22:35] <ishan> i know...
[22:36] <ishan> i have tried everywhere but to no good...
[22:36] <ishan> i just cant seem to find a way out of this...
[22:36] <ishan> cant even play any media files cause i just cant update...
[22:36] <ishan> !
[23:51] <AlanBell> christel: going away, and kids are off to grandparents, so no, not going to the farnham fireworks this time