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Kilosmorning nlsthzn nuvolari zeref bakuman and others05:38
Kilosthe fly is on holiday05:38
KilosMaaz, coffee on05:39
* Maaz flips the salt-timer05:39
nlsthznMorning uncle Kilos 05:40
MaazCoffee's ready for Kilos!05:43
KilosMaaz, ty05:43
MaazEnjoy Kilos05:43
sakhimorning06:23
inetprogood morning07:00
bakumanis it really?07:01
inetprobakuman: yes, if not why not?07:01
Kiloshiya inetpro 07:02
Kilosbakuman, had min sleep so he not too good today07:02
bakumancheerz, off to go print my report07:02
inetproKilos: heh :-)07:03
inetpronlsthzn: wb07:03
Kilosthe internet is really getting bad07:03
Kilosall over the world looks like07:03
nlsthznThanks inetpro ... was able to NOT jump ship ... Unity almost caused me to murder somthing :p07:04
inetpronlsthzn: hmm...07:04
inetpronlsthzn: so what are you using now?07:04
nlsthznStill on Ubuntu07:04
nlsthznlike I said, decided not to switch07:04
nlsthznI am really used to Unity now, like the way it works, but it still has some major buginess...07:05
inetpronlsthzn: well I guess it has improved a lot and will keep getting better, that's if I read what others have to say about it07:06
nlsthznTrue... 07:09
inetproa tough experiment that they started but I hope that it pays off in the end07:09
nlsthzn:) let me rather report and get them fixed than become like most and just throw all the toys from the cot :)07:09
Kiloshehe07:10
Kilosyou scaring me now nlsthzn 07:10
Kilosmaverick works so well07:10
inetpronlsthzn: that's the way to go, I see lots of unhappiness and division but maybe some day everyone will work together again07:10
nlsthznKilos, nah, this isn't things that will make it useless to anyone... just annoys after certain things happen for the umpteenth time 07:11
inetproor maybe each division will end up with something unique and beautiful that would not be around if it didn't start like this07:12
Kilosthe prob is if ordinary no IT peeps try ubuntu and have to struggle they just go back to windows07:12
nlsthzninetpro, sure... choice, our biggest boon and bane07:12
inetproKilos: even windows benefits from all this07:13
nlsthznKilos, this has always been the case...07:13
inetproand mac07:13
Kilosubuntu should only supply stable systems to non geeks07:13
nlsthznLTS ;)07:13
inetproKilos: how much did you pay again?07:13
Kilosfor what inetpro ?07:14
inetproKilos: for the ubuntu OS07:14
Kiloslol07:14
inetproif you want stable then you should stick to LTS07:14
nlsthznWell in all fairness... Can't really play the you get what you paid for and in the same breath say you are aiming for 200 million users07:14
Kiloswithout you guys help i wouldnt be on the pc anymore07:14
Kilosi was lucky to be able to think geeky07:15
Kilosmost peeps cant07:15
Kilosyou forget how i sukkeled in the beginning07:16
nlsthznI think most can, they just haven't tried too07:16
inetproeish07:16
* inetpro has work to do07:17
Kilosenjoy, it will help you recover from the weekend07:17
nlsthznbtw... talking about geek things, I don't seem to be able to keep alive my ssh connections... have added the standard lines to /etc/ssh/ssh_config and still it dies on me :(07:17
inetproKilos: heh, I'll try to pop in more often07:17
nlsthzncheers inetpro 07:17
Kilosty inetpro 07:17
* Kilos trying to fix sisters xp07:18
Kilosworks but first bitches it couldnt find this or that07:18
Kilosgrrr07:18
* nlsthzn has had enough fun and games with ssh and servers for one day...07:23
nlsthzntime for some time away from the PC...07:23
nlsthzncheers07:23
hlubbe1More almal08:55
Kiloshi hlubbe1 10:11
Kiloshey Kerbero 10:11
Kiloshlubbe1, first time here?10:11
hlubbe1LOL nee Kilos dit is eintlik Patriot10:14
Kilosoh you skelm. gaan dit goed?10:14
hlubbe1LOL baie goed en daar10:15
Kilosgoed dankie10:15
Kiloshehe10:15
hlubbe1LOL nee ek het maar die windows 7 masjien opgestel en toe moes ek als weer oor laai10:15
hlubbe1En toe het ek nog nie my nick verander nie10:15
Kilosah10:15
hlubbe1LOL maar ek het nog steeds nie my linux masjien reg nie10:19
Kilossukkel jy10:20
Kiloswat is fout10:20
hlubbe1Nee ek het nog nie verder gewerk daaraan nie10:28
Kilosah10:28
hlubbe1En het nog nie weer iets gehoor van Celeste nie10:29
Kiloseish10:29
Kilossy het seker vergeet10:29
Kilosdie mense is baie besig10:30
hlubbe1Ek kan goed glo10:40
Kilosjy moet haar net weer herriner10:40
Kilosof stuur haar n epos10:41
hlubbe1Ek het sopas10:51
hlubbe1Maar ek moet se ek het ook nie nou tyd gehaat om eers te dink aan die server nie10:51
Kiloslol10:54
Kilostime is tight10:55
Kilosmooi ow liedjie gewees10:55
Kilosou10:55
hlubbe1LOL yup11:05
magespawnhowdy all11:32
nlsthzno/ magespawn 11:32
magespawnnlsthzn, do you know anything about sound in ubuntu?11:33
nlsthznmagespawn, well I know it is nice when it works11:38
nlsthznmore than that not really11:38
magespawnreally nice when it works11:39
magespawnwrangling with a media centre pc got everything working except sound11:40
nlsthznsorry... I am not going to be any help... so far all my hardware has simply worked so I didn't even have to trouble shoot11:41
magespawnsame  with me up till now11:42
magespawnarrggh11:42
magespawnhi Kilos11:49
Kiloshiya magespawn 11:49
Kiloswas it you with the serial mouse11:49
Kiloslo kbmonkey sakhi 12:50
Kilosnlsthzn, is it near knock off or go to work time for you12:51
nlsthznHard to believe but I am off today (have been for the last 4 days... first time in ages) :(12:51
nlsthzn:) I mean12:52
Kilosyay enjoy it12:52
nlsthznThanks... want to try and watch the UDS opening keynote...12:53
nlsthznso far the live video is a no go :/12:53
KilosUDS??12:53
nlsthzn... and I don't know with that to listen to the audio12:53
nlsthznUbuntu Developer Summit12:53
Kilosah12:53
nlsthznThey getting together to plan 12.-412:54
Kilosthats nice12:54
kbmonkeyhello hello12:54
Kilosgo tumbles12:54
nlsthzncool video is up :)12:57
nlsthznhttp://video.ubuntu.com/live/ for those so inclined with the bandwidth :( 12:58
* tumbleweed waves12:58
Kiloslol12:59
tumbleweedthere's also an audio stream if you have less bandwidth12:59
Kiloscan one of you record the audio for me please12:59
kbmonkeyno ascii video for the rest of us? ;D12:59
Kilosi will get it when data grows12:59
tumbleweedKilos: I'm recording the audio http://mirrors.tumbleweed.org.za/uds-p/12:59
tumbleweed(all the audio)12:59
Kilosty tumbles if you can just give me the size at the end13:00
tumbleweedKilos: you can look at the previous UDS to get an idea of sizes: http://mirrors.tumbleweed.org.za/uds-o/13:00
Kilosty13:01
Kiloslinks saved ty13:02
Kiloslo JabberwockyA19 13:02
nlsthznwell the video is just loading for me... not playing >.<13:02
tumbleweedyeah audio is more reliable, I suggest streaming both13:03
nlsthznand can't seem to get the audio going either lol13:03
tumbleweedso you see some video occasionally :)13:03
kbmonkeybrb, heading to the net cafe...13:03
nlsthzn:)13:03
magespawntumbleweed, know anything about audio in ubuntu. i have got no sound13:05
tumbleweedmagespawn: check your mixer levels13:05
magespawndone theu are all at 100%13:05
tumbleweedflash can also lock pulseaudio out from yoru soundcard, so logging out and in again may help13:05
magespawnthis new install of xubuntu13:06
magespawntrying to set up media centre13:06
magespawnplays dvd fine just no sound13:06
magespawnor sound for anything 13:06
magespawnsee the via controller fine13:07
Kilosaw i had the same prob with xubuntu13:08
Kilosthats why its shelved i think13:08
magespawnthen how are you supposed to get mythbuntu to work13:10
magespawn?13:10
magespawnuses xcfe as the desktop 13:10
magespawnso should I just use ubuntu and be done with it?13:11
magespawnkilos have you used the text only browser?13:11
cocooncrashmagespawn: XBMC > MythTV13:12
cocooncrash(Unless you want to use a TV tuner card.)13:13
Kilosno magespawn 13:13
Kilosis it in repos?13:14
magespawncocooncrash, i used the mythbuntu cd originally got no sound and nothing seemed to work13:14
magespawnso tried xubuntu and no sound either13:14
magespawnKilos, not sure13:15
magespawnKilos, just saw something online about it13:15
magespawnwill see what i can find now13:15
* nlsthzn finally got the right stream to banshee...13:16
Kilosmethinks kbuses it13:17
Kilosgrrr13:17
Kiloswhere the monkey went13:17
Kiloslol13:18
Kiloskbmonkey, wb13:18
kbmonkeywalked to the net cafe Kilos :]13:18
kbmonkeyaaaah, wired connections13:18
magespawncalled Lynx13:18
Kilosyou use the text only browser hey13:18
Kilosi use lynx13:18
kbmonkeyelinks :]13:18
kbmonkeyI like its menu and dialogs13:18
Kilosits like elink and links213:18
kbmonkeyeven read slashdot with it13:19
Kiloskbmonkey, whats that new thing you were playing with other night13:19
Kilosyou and nuvolari i think13:19
kbmonkeyalpine?13:20
kbmonkeytext mail client. linked it up to my gmail13:21
Kilosya whats that13:21
Kiloslo Kerbero 13:22
Kilosah13:22
kbmonkeywe are becoming cli nerds :D13:23
Kilosmagespawn, did you get the seriel mouse working13:23
Kilosserial13:23
kbmonkeyalso checked out orpheus, a cli music player13:23
Kiloslol13:23
Kilosno man you gotta drag and drop sometimes13:23
Kilosor right click and open with13:24
kbmonkeyI go crazy fiddling with the trackpad13:24
Kilosgo?13:24
magespawnokay then how about a cli music ripper13:24
Kilosmethinks you been crazy long time now just getting worse13:24
Kilosmagespawn, the mouse???13:25
Kilosyou gave up13:25
magespawnno have not even got there yet13:25
magespawnstill trying to work the sound on the mythbuntu/media pc13:25
Kiloslol i found old notes13:26
Kilostook hours to find13:26
Kiloslet me know when then i burn them later13:26
kbmonkeysure, mpeg123, ffmep and mencoder can rip cd's cli :D13:26
Kiloshad 2 reems of notes13:27
kbmonkeyffmpeg*13:27
kbmonkeyor use crip, 13:27
kbmonkeybut I hardly rip discs nowadays13:27
kbmonkeybuy online or use jamendo when bandwidth allows13:27
magespawnjamendo is cool13:28
kbmonkeyso much that I donate to artists I love13:28
magespawnhave not used any of the music yet 13:30
kbmonkeythey playing queen in the net cafe :D13:30
magespawnokay guys going to try ubuntu on this machine brbr\13:33
magespawnhowdy all13:37
Kilosmagespawn, wb13:38
Kilosthat was a fast install13:38
magespawnnah now i am on my laptop13:38
Kiloslol13:38
Kilosyou got too many toys13:39
magespawntrying to gey more13:39
magespawngey=get13:39
kbmonkeyboys need toys13:39
magespawnman and getting them all to work together13:40
magespawnthat is some serious work13:40
magespawnand most of them have been given to em13:40
magespawnjust had a thought maybe the sound card on the board is blown13:40
kbmonkeysomeone pumping the death metal too loud, eh. 13:42
kbmonkeyBlow your speakers! darr darra dum dum bam!13:42
magespawnnah the speakers are fine13:43
kbmonkeyit's a Manowar song13:44
kbmonkeyold school glamrock :p13:44
kbmonkeyglam metal13:44
kbmonkeythe kind who sings about dragons and swinging broadswords and victorious battles13:45
kbmonkey... and blowing up speakers, of course13:45
magespawnhah13:45
magespawnmissed that13:45
kbmonkeywhy does flash insist on capturing focus? >:13:46
kbmonkeyexcited, going to see the new place tonight!13:57
kbmonkeymoving in tomorrow13:57
magespawni think i need to move to cape town14:12
nlsthznkbmonkey, awesome news, congrats :)14:14
magespawnnice one14:15
kbmonkeySo an IEEE engineer walks into a bar and orders 1.00000000001000000 082740370999090373516082763671875 root beers. The bartender says, “I’ll have to charge extra; that’s a root beer float”. And the engineer says, “In that case, make it a double”.14:27
nlsthzn>.<14:28
nlsthzn:p14:28
magespawnokay i do not get that eithere14:29
kbmonkeyfloat point numbers have arbitrary precision, 14:34
kbmonkeyso we convert them to double to get accurate results :p14:34
magespawnokay i think that is a little beyond my maths grade at the moment14:37
kbmonkeylol14:38
kbmonkeynext time I'll tell a van der merwe joke :]14:39
magespawnouch14:40
cocooncrashkbmonkey: LOL14:42
magespawni only did maths at school on std grade and that was in '9314:43
kbmonkeysame here magespawn 14:44
magespawnthen how do you know about that?14:44
kbmonkeyprogramming also teaches you about data types like floats and doubles14:45
magespawnalso only just starting with that.14:45
kbmonkeyI did a lot of accounting package integration and costing systems, so I had to know which dta type to use14:45
* kbmonkey cringes at those days14:45
kbmonkeyI found so many bugs in quickbooks, and pastel, I was even responsible ffor them delaying some releases because of their bugs. lol14:46
kbmonkeyyou have no idea how flaky qbooks is, shocking.14:46
magespawnhttp://xkcd.com/236/14:47
magespawnwhy do they do it that way?14:47
kbmonkeyha ha ha magespawn ! that hover-over is nasty14:48
kbmonkeywhat coding are you keen on magespawn ?14:48
magespawnbusy reading a book on python14:49
magespawnalso dabbling in html and css14:49
kbmonkeythat reminds me, to install... um Kilos what what that bot you talked about?14:49
kbmonkeysupybot!14:50
kbmonkeyits a python irc bot14:50
kbmonkeywhich book magespawn? Dive Into Python is pretty good14:53
magespawnGuide to programming with Python by Michael Dawson, hard copy too.14:56
magespawnI have pdf of the other and others14:56
kbmonkeywho made Maaz ?14:58
kbmonkeyMaaz who made you?14:58
Maazkbmonkey: Excuse me?14:58
magespawnlo14:58
magespawnlol14:58
magespawnsame response if you ask me that14:58
kbmonkeywondering what recommended irc server I can run for testing14:58
kbmonkeyha ha!14:58
inetprokbmonkey: http://ibid.omnia.za.net/14:59
inetprokbmonkey: but Maaz is not really a IRC server14:59
inetproit's just a bot14:59
cocooncrashkbmonkey: I've used ngircd in the past15:00
cocooncrashkbmonkey: I wrote the first parts of Maaz, but haven't been involved recently.15:00
kbmonkeythanks inetpro, yes I know she's a bot, but to test I need a server in case no net15:01
cocooncrashkbmonkey: Not necessarily15:01
kbmonkeyI guess unit tests would work too15:01
* inetpro uses ngircd for internal usage15:01
magespawnhttp://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/browse/8200 15:01
cocooncrashkbmonkey: There's a script to communicate with the command line15:01
kbmonkeythanks cocooncrash !15:02
cocooncrashkbmonkey: And it can do telnet15:02
kbmonkeyand xmpp, nice15:03
cocooncrashMaaz: sources15:03
Maazcocooncrash: Sources: atrum (irc://Maaz@eu.atrum.org:7000), freenode (irc://Maaz@chat.eu.freenode.net:7000), http (http://maaz.mene.za.net/), jabber (xmpp://maaz@mene.za.net/source), pb, silcza (silc://Maaz@spider.web.za:706), smtp (mailto:maaz@mene.za.net), telnet and timer15:03
Kiloskbmonkey, ibid15:13
Kilosin the repos15:13
Kilossorry was asleep15:13
kbmonkeythanks Kilos 15:13
kbmonkeygot that and supybot15:13
Kilosyw15:14
kbmonkeyjust curious15:14
Kilos ibid is maaz15:14
Kilosif i member right15:14
Kiloswow you guys have been chatting the hind leg off a donkey here15:15
kbmonkeyok gotta run again, bbl!15:15
magespawnhappens sometimes when it is a slow day at work for ppl15:19
Kiloslol15:19
magespawnor if something sparks their interest15:28
magespawnlater all15:33
Kilostoods magespawn 15:33
zeref-cHi ubuntu-za16:08
Kiloshi zeref 16:12
zeref-cBye ubuntu-za, xD16:14
Kilosoh my16:18
zeref-cGuys, will there b a 10.04.4 release before 12.0416:27
tumbleweedzeref-c: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PreciseReleaseSchedule16:29
Kilos?16:40
* nuvolari tiptoes in17:51
nuvolario/17:51
Kilosevening nuvolari 17:54
nuvolarihallo oom Kilos 17:55
nuvolarihoe gaan dit vandag oom?17:55
Kilosgoed dankie en self seun17:56
nuvolarikan nie kla nie oom!17:56
Kiloswhew you guys hopping in and out19:03
KilosMaaz, coffee on19:18
* Maaz washes some mugs19:18
MaazCoffee's ready for Kilos!19:22
KilosMaaz, ty19:23
MaazEnjoy Kilos19:23
zereftumbleweed: 20:12
tumbleweedzeref:20:12
zerefummm, when LTS version are released (server editions) are they stable?20:16
zerefrather, stable enough be be used in production20:16
tumbleweedthey have more stability effort than other releases20:18
tumbleweedif you want real stability, wait for .1 We don't announce LTS-to-LTS upgrades until .120:18
zerefhmmm20:23
Kilosnight all. sleep tight20:52

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