[05:38] <Kilos> morning nlsthzn nuvolari zeref bakuman and others
[05:38] <Kilos> the fly is on holiday
[05:39] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[05:39]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[05:40] <nlsthzn> Morning uncle Kilos 
[05:43] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[05:43] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[05:43] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[06:23] <sakhi> morning
[07:00] <inetpro> good morning
[07:01] <bakuman> is it really?
[07:01] <inetpro> bakuman: yes, if not why not?
[07:02] <Kilos> hiya inetpro 
[07:02] <Kilos> bakuman, had min sleep so he not too good today
[07:02] <bakuman> cheerz, off to go print my report
[07:03] <inetpro> Kilos: heh :-)
[07:03] <inetpro> nlsthzn: wb
[07:03] <Kilos> the internet is really getting bad
[07:03] <Kilos> all over the world looks like
[07:04] <nlsthzn> Thanks inetpro ... was able to NOT jump ship ... Unity almost caused me to murder somthing :p
[07:04] <inetpro> nlsthzn: hmm...
[07:04] <inetpro> nlsthzn: so what are you using now?
[07:04] <nlsthzn> Still on Ubuntu
[07:04] <nlsthzn> like I said, decided not to switch
[07:05] <nlsthzn> I am really used to Unity now, like the way it works, but it still has some major buginess...
[07:06] <inetpro> nlsthzn: well I guess it has improved a lot and will keep getting better, that's if I read what others have to say about it
[07:09] <nlsthzn> True... 
[07:09] <inetpro> a tough experiment that they started but I hope that it pays off in the end
[07:09] <nlsthzn> :) let me rather report and get them fixed than become like most and just throw all the toys from the cot :)
[07:10] <Kilos> hehe
[07:10] <Kilos> you scaring me now nlsthzn 
[07:10] <Kilos> maverick works so well
[07:10] <inetpro> nlsthzn: that's the way to go, I see lots of unhappiness and division but maybe some day everyone will work together again
[07:11] <nlsthzn> Kilos, nah, this isn't things that will make it useless to anyone... just annoys after certain things happen for the umpteenth time 
[07:12] <inetpro> or maybe each division will end up with something unique and beautiful that would not be around if it didn't start like this
[07:12] <Kilos> the prob is if ordinary no IT peeps try ubuntu and have to struggle they just go back to windows
[07:12] <nlsthzn> inetpro, sure... choice, our biggest boon and bane
[07:13] <inetpro> Kilos: even windows benefits from all this
[07:13] <nlsthzn> Kilos, this has always been the case...
[07:13] <inetpro> and mac
[07:13] <Kilos> ubuntu should only supply stable systems to non geeks
[07:13] <nlsthzn> LTS ;)
[07:13] <inetpro> Kilos: how much did you pay again?
[07:14] <Kilos> for what inetpro ?
[07:14] <inetpro> Kilos: for the ubuntu OS
[07:14] <Kilos> lol
[07:14] <inetpro> if you want stable then you should stick to LTS
[07:14] <nlsthzn> Well in all fairness... Can't really play the you get what you paid for and in the same breath say you are aiming for 200 million users
[07:14] <Kilos> without you guys help i wouldnt be on the pc anymore
[07:15] <Kilos> i was lucky to be able to think geeky
[07:15] <Kilos> most peeps cant
[07:16] <Kilos> you forget how i sukkeled in the beginning
[07:16] <nlsthzn> I think most can, they just haven't tried too
[07:16] <inetpro> eish
[07:17]  * inetpro has work to do
[07:17] <Kilos> enjoy, it will help you recover from the weekend
[07:17] <nlsthzn> btw... talking about geek things, I don't seem to be able to keep alive my ssh connections... have added the standard lines to /etc/ssh/ssh_config and still it dies on me :(
[07:17] <inetpro> Kilos: heh, I'll try to pop in more often
[07:17] <nlsthzn> cheers inetpro 
[07:17] <Kilos> ty inetpro 
[07:18]  * Kilos trying to fix sisters xp
[07:18] <Kilos> works but first bitches it couldnt find this or that
[07:18] <Kilos> grrr
[07:23]  * nlsthzn has had enough fun and games with ssh and servers for one day...
[07:23] <nlsthzn> time for some time away from the PC...
[07:23] <nlsthzn> cheers
[08:55] <hlubbe1> More almal
[10:11] <Kilos> hi hlubbe1 
[10:11] <Kilos> hey Kerbero 
[10:11] <Kilos> hlubbe1, first time here?
[10:14] <hlubbe1> LOL nee Kilos dit is eintlik Patriot
[10:14] <Kilos> oh you skelm. gaan dit goed?
[10:15] <hlubbe1> LOL baie goed en daar
[10:15] <Kilos> goed dankie
[10:15] <Kilos> hehe
[10:15] <hlubbe1> LOL nee ek het maar die windows 7 masjien opgestel en toe moes ek als weer oor laai
[10:15] <hlubbe1> En toe het ek nog nie my nick verander nie
[10:15] <Kilos> ah
[10:19] <hlubbe1> LOL maar ek het nog steeds nie my linux masjien reg nie
[10:20] <Kilos> sukkel jy
[10:20] <Kilos> wat is fout
[10:28] <hlubbe1> Nee ek het nog nie verder gewerk daaraan nie
[10:28] <Kilos> ah
[10:29] <hlubbe1> En het nog nie weer iets gehoor van Celeste nie
[10:29] <Kilos> eish
[10:29] <Kilos> sy het seker vergeet
[10:30] <Kilos> die mense is baie besig
[10:40] <hlubbe1> Ek kan goed glo
[10:40] <Kilos> jy moet haar net weer herriner
[10:41] <Kilos> of stuur haar n epos
[10:51] <hlubbe1> Ek het sopas
[10:51] <hlubbe1> Maar ek moet se ek het ook nie nou tyd gehaat om eers te dink aan die server nie
[10:54] <Kilos> lol
[10:55] <Kilos> time is tight
[10:55] <Kilos> mooi ow liedjie gewees
[10:55] <Kilos> ou
[11:05] <hlubbe1> LOL yup
[11:32] <magespawn> howdy all
[11:32] <nlsthzn> o/ magespawn 
[11:33] <magespawn> nlsthzn, do you know anything about sound in ubuntu?
[11:38] <nlsthzn> magespawn, well I know it is nice when it works
[11:38] <nlsthzn> more than that not really
[11:39] <magespawn> really nice when it works
[11:40] <magespawn> wrangling with a media centre pc got everything working except sound
[11:41] <nlsthzn> sorry... I am not going to be any help... so far all my hardware has simply worked so I didn't even have to trouble shoot
[11:42] <magespawn> same  with me up till now
[11:42] <magespawn> arrggh
[11:49] <magespawn> hi Kilos
[11:49] <Kilos> hiya magespawn 
[11:49] <Kilos> was it you with the serial mouse
[12:50] <Kilos> lo kbmonkey sakhi 
[12:51] <Kilos> nlsthzn, is it near knock off or go to work time for you
[12:51] <nlsthzn> Hard to believe but I am off today (have been for the last 4 days... first time in ages) :(
[12:52] <nlsthzn> :) I mean
[12:52] <Kilos> yay enjoy it
[12:53] <nlsthzn> Thanks... want to try and watch the UDS opening keynote...
[12:53] <nlsthzn> so far the live video is a no go :/
[12:53] <Kilos> UDS??
[12:53] <nlsthzn> ... and I don't know with that to listen to the audio
[12:53] <nlsthzn> Ubuntu Developer Summit
[12:53] <Kilos> ah
[12:54] <nlsthzn> They getting together to plan 12.-4
[12:54] <Kilos> thats nice
[12:54] <kbmonkey> hello hello
[12:54] <Kilos> go tumbles
[12:57] <nlsthzn> cool video is up :)
[12:58] <nlsthzn> http://video.ubuntu.com/live/ for those so inclined with the bandwidth :( 
[12:58]  * tumbleweed waves
[12:59] <Kilos> lol
[12:59] <tumbleweed> there's also an audio stream if you have less bandwidth
[12:59] <Kilos> can one of you record the audio for me please
[12:59] <kbmonkey> no ascii video for the rest of us? ;D
[12:59] <Kilos> i will get it when data grows
[12:59] <tumbleweed> Kilos: I'm recording the audio http://mirrors.tumbleweed.org.za/uds-p/
[12:59] <tumbleweed> (all the audio)
[13:00] <Kilos> ty tumbles if you can just give me the size at the end
[13:00] <tumbleweed> Kilos: you can look at the previous UDS to get an idea of sizes: http://mirrors.tumbleweed.org.za/uds-o/
[13:01] <Kilos> ty
[13:02] <Kilos> links saved ty
[13:02] <Kilos> lo JabberwockyA19 
[13:02] <nlsthzn> well the video is just loading for me... not playing >.<
[13:03] <tumbleweed> yeah audio is more reliable, I suggest streaming both
[13:03] <nlsthzn> and can't seem to get the audio going either lol
[13:03] <tumbleweed> so you see some video occasionally :)
[13:03] <kbmonkey> brb, heading to the net cafe...
[13:03] <nlsthzn> :)
[13:05] <magespawn> tumbleweed, know anything about audio in ubuntu. i have got no sound
[13:05] <tumbleweed> magespawn: check your mixer levels
[13:05] <magespawn> done theu are all at 100%
[13:05] <tumbleweed> flash can also lock pulseaudio out from yoru soundcard, so logging out and in again may help
[13:06] <magespawn> this new install of xubuntu
[13:06] <magespawn> trying to set up media centre
[13:06] <magespawn> plays dvd fine just no sound
[13:06] <magespawn> or sound for anything 
[13:07] <magespawn> see the via controller fine
[13:08] <Kilos> aw i had the same prob with xubuntu
[13:08] <Kilos> thats why its shelved i think
[13:10] <magespawn> then how are you supposed to get mythbuntu to work
[13:10] <magespawn> ?
[13:10] <magespawn> uses xcfe as the desktop 
[13:11] <magespawn> so should I just use ubuntu and be done with it?
[13:11] <magespawn> kilos have you used the text only browser?
[13:12] <cocooncrash> magespawn: XBMC > MythTV
[13:13] <cocooncrash> (Unless you want to use a TV tuner card.)
[13:13] <Kilos> no magespawn 
[13:14] <Kilos> is it in repos?
[13:14] <magespawn> cocooncrash, i used the mythbuntu cd originally got no sound and nothing seemed to work
[13:14] <magespawn> so tried xubuntu and no sound either
[13:15] <magespawn> Kilos, not sure
[13:15] <magespawn> Kilos, just saw something online about it
[13:15] <magespawn> will see what i can find now
[13:16]  * nlsthzn finally got the right stream to banshee...
[13:17] <Kilos> methinks kbuses it
[13:17] <Kilos> grrr
[13:17] <Kilos> where the monkey went
[13:18] <Kilos> lol
[13:18] <Kilos> kbmonkey, wb
[13:18] <kbmonkey> walked to the net cafe Kilos :]
[13:18] <kbmonkey> aaaah, wired connections
[13:18] <magespawn> called Lynx
[13:18] <Kilos> you use the text only browser hey
[13:18] <Kilos> i use lynx
[13:18] <kbmonkey> elinks :]
[13:18] <kbmonkey> I like its menu and dialogs
[13:18] <Kilos> its like elink and links2
[13:19] <kbmonkey> even read slashdot with it
[13:19] <Kilos> kbmonkey, whats that new thing you were playing with other night
[13:19] <Kilos> you and nuvolari i think
[13:20] <kbmonkey> alpine?
[13:21] <kbmonkey> text mail client. linked it up to my gmail
[13:21] <Kilos> ya whats that
[13:22] <Kilos> lo Kerbero 
[13:22] <Kilos> ah
[13:23] <kbmonkey> we are becoming cli nerds :D
[13:23] <Kilos> magespawn, did you get the seriel mouse working
[13:23] <Kilos> serial
[13:23] <kbmonkey> also checked out orpheus, a cli music player
[13:23] <Kilos> lol
[13:23] <Kilos> no man you gotta drag and drop sometimes
[13:24] <Kilos> or right click and open with
[13:24] <kbmonkey> I go crazy fiddling with the trackpad
[13:24] <Kilos> go?
[13:24] <magespawn> okay then how about a cli music ripper
[13:24] <Kilos> methinks you been crazy long time now just getting worse
[13:25] <Kilos> magespawn, the mouse???
[13:25] <Kilos> you gave up
[13:25] <magespawn> no have not even got there yet
[13:25] <magespawn> still trying to work the sound on the mythbuntu/media pc
[13:26] <Kilos> lol i found old notes
[13:26] <Kilos> took hours to find
[13:26] <Kilos> let me know when then i burn them later
[13:26] <kbmonkey> sure, mpeg123, ffmep and mencoder can rip cd's cli :D
[13:27] <Kilos> had 2 reems of notes
[13:27] <kbmonkey> ffmpeg*
[13:27] <kbmonkey> or use crip, 
[13:27] <kbmonkey> but I hardly rip discs nowadays
[13:27] <kbmonkey> buy online or use jamendo when bandwidth allows
[13:28] <magespawn> jamendo is cool
[13:28] <kbmonkey> so much that I donate to artists I love
[13:30] <magespawn> have not used any of the music yet 
[13:30] <kbmonkey> they playing queen in the net cafe :D
[13:33] <magespawn> okay guys going to try ubuntu on this machine brbr\
[13:37] <magespawn> howdy all
[13:38] <Kilos> magespawn, wb
[13:38] <Kilos> that was a fast install
[13:38] <magespawn> nah now i am on my laptop
[13:38] <Kilos> lol
[13:39] <Kilos> you got too many toys
[13:39] <magespawn> trying to gey more
[13:39] <magespawn> gey=get
[13:39] <kbmonkey> boys need toys
[13:40] <magespawn> man and getting them all to work together
[13:40] <magespawn> that is some serious work
[13:40] <magespawn> and most of them have been given to em
[13:40] <magespawn> just had a thought maybe the sound card on the board is blown
[13:42] <kbmonkey> someone pumping the death metal too loud, eh. 
[13:42] <kbmonkey> Blow your speakers! darr darra dum dum bam!
[13:43] <magespawn> nah the speakers are fine
[13:44] <kbmonkey> it's a Manowar song
[13:44] <kbmonkey> old school glamrock :p
[13:44] <kbmonkey> glam metal
[13:45] <kbmonkey> the kind who sings about dragons and swinging broadswords and victorious battles
[13:45] <kbmonkey> ... and blowing up speakers, of course
[13:45] <magespawn> hah
[13:45] <magespawn> missed that
[13:46] <kbmonkey> why does flash insist on capturing focus? >:
[13:57] <kbmonkey> excited, going to see the new place tonight!
[13:57] <kbmonkey> moving in tomorrow
[14:12] <magespawn> i think i need to move to cape town
[14:14] <nlsthzn> kbmonkey, awesome news, congrats :)
[14:15] <magespawn> nice one
[14:27] <kbmonkey> So an IEEE engineer walks into a bar and orders 1.00000000001000000 082740370999090373516082763671875 root beers. The bartender says, “I’ll have to charge extra; that’s a root beer float”. And the engineer says, “In that case, make it a double”.
[14:28] <nlsthzn> >.<
[14:28] <nlsthzn> :p
[14:29] <magespawn> okay i do not get that eithere
[14:34] <kbmonkey> float point numbers have arbitrary precision, 
[14:34] <kbmonkey> so we convert them to double to get accurate results :p
[14:37] <magespawn> okay i think that is a little beyond my maths grade at the moment
[14:38] <kbmonkey> lol
[14:39] <kbmonkey> next time I'll tell a van der merwe joke :]
[14:40] <magespawn> ouch
[14:42] <cocooncrash> kbmonkey: LOL
[14:43] <magespawn> i only did maths at school on std grade and that was in '93
[14:44] <kbmonkey> same here magespawn 
[14:44] <magespawn> then how do you know about that?
[14:45] <kbmonkey> programming also teaches you about data types like floats and doubles
[14:45] <magespawn> also only just starting with that.
[14:45] <kbmonkey> I did a lot of accounting package integration and costing systems, so I had to know which dta type to use
[14:45]  * kbmonkey cringes at those days
[14:46] <kbmonkey> I found so many bugs in quickbooks, and pastel, I was even responsible ffor them delaying some releases because of their bugs. lol
[14:46] <kbmonkey> you have no idea how flaky qbooks is, shocking.
[14:47] <magespawn> http://xkcd.com/236/
[14:47] <magespawn> why do they do it that way?
[14:48] <kbmonkey> ha ha ha magespawn ! that hover-over is nasty
[14:48] <kbmonkey> what coding are you keen on magespawn ?
[14:49] <magespawn> busy reading a book on python
[14:49] <magespawn> also dabbling in html and css
[14:49] <kbmonkey> that reminds me, to install... um Kilos what what that bot you talked about?
[14:50] <kbmonkey> supybot!
[14:50] <kbmonkey> its a python irc bot
[14:53] <kbmonkey> which book magespawn? Dive Into Python is pretty good
[14:56] <magespawn> Guide to programming with Python by Michael Dawson, hard copy too.
[14:56] <magespawn> I have pdf of the other and others
[14:58] <kbmonkey> who made Maaz ?
[14:58] <kbmonkey> Maaz who made you?
[14:58] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Excuse me?
[14:58] <magespawn> lo
[14:58] <magespawn> lol
[14:58] <magespawn> same response if you ask me that
[14:58] <kbmonkey> wondering what recommended irc server I can run for testing
[14:58] <kbmonkey> ha ha!
[14:59] <inetpro> kbmonkey: http://ibid.omnia.za.net/
[14:59] <inetpro> kbmonkey: but Maaz is not really a IRC server
[14:59] <inetpro> it's just a bot
[15:00] <cocooncrash> kbmonkey: I've used ngircd in the past
[15:00] <cocooncrash> kbmonkey: I wrote the first parts of Maaz, but haven't been involved recently.
[15:01] <kbmonkey> thanks inetpro, yes I know she's a bot, but to test I need a server in case no net
[15:01] <cocooncrash> kbmonkey: Not necessarily
[15:01] <kbmonkey> I guess unit tests would work too
[15:01]  * inetpro uses ngircd for internal usage
[15:01] <magespawn> http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/browse/8200 
[15:01] <cocooncrash> kbmonkey: There's a script to communicate with the command line
[15:02] <kbmonkey> thanks cocooncrash !
[15:02] <cocooncrash> kbmonkey: And it can do telnet
[15:03] <kbmonkey> and xmpp, nice
[15:03] <cocooncrash> Maaz: sources
[15:03] <Maaz> cocooncrash: Sources: atrum (irc://Maaz@eu.atrum.org:7000), freenode (irc://Maaz@chat.eu.freenode.net:7000), http (http://maaz.mene.za.net/), jabber (xmpp://maaz@mene.za.net/source), pb, silcza (silc://Maaz@spider.web.za:706), smtp (mailto:maaz@mene.za.net), telnet and timer
[15:13] <Kilos> kbmonkey, ibid
[15:13] <Kilos> in the repos
[15:13] <Kilos> sorry was asleep
[15:13] <kbmonkey> thanks Kilos 
[15:13] <kbmonkey> got that and supybot
[15:14] <Kilos> yw
[15:14] <kbmonkey> just curious
[15:14] <Kilos>  ibid is maaz
[15:14] <Kilos> if i member right
[15:15] <Kilos> wow you guys have been chatting the hind leg off a donkey here
[15:15] <kbmonkey> ok gotta run again, bbl!
[15:19] <magespawn> happens sometimes when it is a slow day at work for ppl
[15:19] <Kilos> lol
[15:28] <magespawn> or if something sparks their interest
[15:33] <magespawn> later all
[15:33] <Kilos> toods magespawn 
[16:08] <zeref-c> Hi ubuntu-za
[16:12] <Kilos> hi zeref 
[16:14] <zeref-c> Bye ubuntu-za, xD
[16:18] <Kilos> oh my
[16:27] <zeref-c> Guys, will there b a 10.04.4 release before 12.04
[16:29] <tumbleweed> zeref-c: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PreciseReleaseSchedule
[16:40] <Kilos> ?
[17:51]  * nuvolari tiptoes in
[17:51] <nuvolari> o/
[17:54] <Kilos> evening nuvolari 
[17:55] <nuvolari> hallo oom Kilos 
[17:55] <nuvolari> hoe gaan dit vandag oom?
[17:56] <Kilos> goed dankie en self seun
[17:56] <nuvolari> kan nie kla nie oom!
[19:03] <Kilos> whew you guys hopping in and out
[19:18] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[19:18]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[19:22] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[19:23] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[19:23] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[20:12] <zeref> tumbleweed: 
[20:12] <tumbleweed> zeref:
[20:16] <zeref> ummm, when LTS version are released (server editions) are they stable?
[20:16] <zeref> rather, stable enough be be used in production
[20:18] <tumbleweed> they have more stability effort than other releases
[20:18] <tumbleweed> if you want real stability, wait for .1 We don't announce LTS-to-LTS upgrades until .1
[20:23] <zeref> hmmm
[20:52] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight