[10:59] <ScottL> good morning stochastic 
[10:59] <ScottL> i tried to add the -testers team to the -dev team but i can't
[10:59] <ScottL> after some digging around i found out why
[11:00] <ScottL> -dev is a moderated and -testers is an open team
[11:00] <ScottL> and a moderated team cannot add an open team as a member
[11:00] <ScottL> i am unsure what to do at this point, although i will give it more thought this week
[11:01] <ScottL> good morning abogani  :)
[11:01] <abogani> ScottL: Hi Scott! 
[11:01] <ScottL> abogani, i registered a blueprint for the -lowlatency kernel and i believe it has been approved for uds-p 
[11:01] <abogani> ScottL: very good!
[11:01] <ScottL> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-p-lowlatency
[11:02] <ScottL> it isn't "approved" yet, although i don't know who should do that
[11:02] <ScottL> also it isn't scheduled, but i know to whom i should speak about that
[11:02] <abogani> Subscribed!
[11:02] <ScottL> yay!
[11:05] <ScottL> my plan currently is to find jcastro and ask him about scheduling it and maybe helping me understand the logistics of the blueprint/meeting
[11:06] <abogani> Isn't there Emmet? 
[11:30] <ScottL> abogani, i am unsure if he is attending, i haven't received any responses from him for quite some time
[11:30] <ScottL> i am heading downstairs now but will log on again later
[11:30] <abogani> ScottL: ok
[14:40] <holstein> how do you address a question like this ?
[14:40] <holstein> 01:50 < npc1> hey is there a release date for US 11.10?
[14:40] <holstein> thats from #ubuntu
[14:40] <holstein> #ubuntustudio i mean
[14:43] <holstein> jussi jussi01 could you make me ops enough in #ubuntustudio to update the topic?
[14:43] <holstein> if not, would you mind to update the topic about 11.10?
[14:44] <jussi> holstein: its temporary and Ill get it back off you later
[14:44] <holstein> jussi: ops you mean?
[14:45] <jussi> yep
[14:45] <holstein> how would i "apply" for ops?
[14:45] <jussi> [16:44:02] *** Mode #ubuntustudio +o holstein by ChanServ
[14:45] <jussi> holstein: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorRequirements
[14:45] <holstein> jussi: cool :)
[14:46] <holstein> jussi: i can do that... thanks
[14:48] <jussi> :)
[14:59] <holstein> jussi: OK... i think im mostly caught up
[14:59] <holstein> how about... When the Ubuntu IRC Council notices the need to have more operators in a particular channel or channels, they will send an email
[15:00] <holstein> ^^ should i ping someone in *-irc? and ask for that?
[15:00] <jussi> holstein: Im on the council
[15:06] <holstein> does that mean im a "shoo-in" ;)
[15:07] <holstein> i dont care to just bother you for updates too
[20:09] <stochastic> hey knome, I'd love to chat a bit today regarding the site if you have time
[20:12] <ScottL> running ragged at uds, but here is an interesting blueprint some might enjoy:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-lowlatency
[20:22] <ScottL> please feel free to subscribe to the blueprint and join us in IRC.  i will post the irc channel here closer to the meeting time
[21:02] <knome> stochastic, hey
[21:22] <stochastic> hey knome
[21:22] <stochastic> I was wondering about the fundamental layout of the homepage  and what your organization thoughts are on it
[21:23] <stochastic> specifically the role of the tabs (and the area below the tabs)
[21:26] <knome> go ahead
[21:29] <stochastic> my brain thought they would be linked
[21:30] <stochastic> but from what I see the tabs only appear on the homepage, when audio is clicked, I was expecting an audio page to appear below the tab
[21:30] <stochastic> is this function planned?
[21:31] <knome> not really
[21:32] <knome> the tabs and the "featured" area is only on the frontpage
[21:32] <knome> you should add links to the tab content if you want to direct people to other pages
[21:32] <holstein> yeah?
[21:32] <holstein> i didnt expect that
[21:32] <knome> right
[21:32] <knome> :)
[21:32] <stochastic> I guess it's the inherent cognitive link that I have between a tab being the top of a page
[21:33] <holstein> i was expecting the slider that is there
[21:33] <holstein> but, ive seen some layouts like that already
[21:33] <knome> that's how the old site worked
[21:33] <holstein> and i might have been expecting it
[21:33] <knome> if you expect the page to change, then just remove the "featured" area
[21:33] <knome> and add the tabs to the main navi
[21:34] <stochastic> Maybe it's the inclusion of the Welcome tab that is throwing me off
[21:34] <stochastic> when I see that I assume that the below content is the welcome tab
[21:35] <knome> hmmh
[21:36] <stochastic> Could I suggest that the background shading of the tabs turn into oblong bubbles within that feature area
[21:37] <stochastic> that way the link between the feature area and the below home page isn't as prominent
[21:38] <knome> yeah, that's doable
[21:40] <stochastic> It's just a thought.
[21:40] <knome> i think that's a good idea
[21:41] <knome> we just have to see what is a good style for them
[21:42] <stochastic> next thought, what's up with the news page?
[21:44] <stochastic> it's currently a real mess
[21:44] <holstein> stochastic: would you like to help with content there?
[21:44] <holstein> is that what you mean?
[21:44] <stochastic> I'm up for helping wherever needed
[21:44] <holstein> i think i have the kind of account to edit that content
[21:44] <holstein> knome: could you 'juice' up stochastic ?
[21:45] <stochastic> I just want to know what sort of direction that page needs to be heading in
[21:45] <holstein> i was hoping i would see you around the water cooler stochastic :)
[21:45] <stochastic> I don't want to step on the design plan too much
[21:45] <holstein> stochastic: ScottL might have some more concrete plans
[21:45] <holstein> for content
[21:45] <holstein> for now, most is place-holdes AFAIK
[21:45] <knome> stochastic, yeah, the work on the news page style is WIP
[21:45] <knome> stochastic, do you have a clear idea on how to make that less of a mess?
[21:46] <knome> maybe some horizontal rulers...
[21:46] <knome> or just more padding between posts
[21:46] <stochastic> that's the next couple words I was about to type
[21:46] <stochastic> horizontal rulers
[21:46] <knome> yeah
[21:46] <stochastic> and also some of the posts are just too long
[21:47] <knome> just use excerpts, you mean?
[21:47] <stochastic> the individual stories could be clicked on to read the whole thing
[21:47] <knome> or just a link of topics?
[21:47] <knome> err, list
[21:47] <knome> i think excerpts could be the way to go
[21:48] <stochastic> hmm there could be different categories of news if needed "announcements"  "development"  "blogs/chat" etc...
[21:48] <knome> you mean like http://knome.fi/temp/ubuntustudio/wordpress/category/Packages/ ? :P
[21:49] <knome> maybe a sidebar with a list of all the categories?
[21:49] <knome> (and search?)
[21:49] <stochastic> I like where your thoughts are headed
[21:50] <stochastic> but there are no other sidebars anywhere on the site, so it could clash
[21:50] <knome> we can add the same sidebar for all the pages
[21:51] <stochastic> I don't know the answer, but I also trust your possible solutions
[21:51] <knome> ScottL, what do we want to do with the social media stuff? you still want some twitter feeds integrated?
[21:51] <ScottL> stochastic, knome :  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/update-website-spec#Design
[21:51] <knome> that's easy enough to change later
[21:51] <ScottL> this was my original thought of required pages
[21:51] <ScottL> knome, i wouldn't mind social integration but i wouldn't hold up the website for it
[21:52] <knome> ScottL, that's easy enough as well to add, if you tell me *what* to add
[21:52] <ScottL> stochastic, knome :  please feel free to adjust my suggestions for minimum required pages
[21:52] <knome> also, what do you think of the sidebar-idea?
[21:52] <ScottL> knome, do you mean use the sidebar for the social media?
[21:52] <knome> ScottL, i'm not worrying about what pages you'll have. create whatever you want. i'm interested in what you want them to look like :]
[21:53] <ScottL> if so, then i think this is a good idea
[21:53] <knome> ScottL, sidebar for the social media, and article browsing too,
[21:53] <knome> ScottL, as well as a search box if you want one
[21:53] <ScottL> i think that is a good idea, stochastic, do you have any opinion on this?
[21:53] <stochastic> I like the look of the site as-is 'sans sidebar' but maybe a sidebar would look equally as/more elegant
[21:54] <stochastic> a search function is almost required imho
[21:54] <knome> yeah, we can add it without breaking up the elegancy
[21:54] <ScottL> +1 search required
[21:54] <knome> to you want the search in the header area rather than the sidebar?
[21:54] <knome> (as was in the original myhaiku.org draft)
[21:54] <knome> it would make more sense in the sidebar if you have the category links there too
[21:55] <ScottL> i think it would seem more logical in the sidebar to me
[21:55] <stochastic> knome maybe you should play around with a sidebar design and see where pieces fit best
[21:55] <knome> and it could be the topmost thing in the sidebar, allowing it to show immediately
[21:55] <knome> stochastic, mm-hmm
[21:55] <ScottL> +1 search in the top of sidebar
[21:55] <stochastic> design by committee is often un-productive
[21:56] <knome> hehe
[21:56] <knome> yeah, i know...
[21:56] <ScottL> stochastic, would you mind taking the lead on this?  i would actually prefer it
[21:56] <stochastic> ScottL, on what part exactly?
[21:57] <ScottL> stochastic, the layout design would be great, more if you feel good about it
[21:57] <ScottL> the only thing that i am pretty adamant about is that i feel we need a "feature tour" to explain ubuntu studio to people unfamiliar with it
[21:58] <stochastic> isn't that what that main page feature panel is all about
[21:58] <stochastic> or are you thinking about something different ScottL ?
[21:59] <stochastic> I did just update the AudioPackages link - is that on the right track?
[21:59] <ScottL> stochastic, i thought that the feature tour would describe five or so bullet point and explain them somewhat, like 1. ubuntu studio is FOSS, 2. based on ubuntu, 3. jack is the sound server, 4. jack and 5. something else
[22:00] <ScottL> stochastic, i was thinking that the purpose of the feature tour would be to explain what ubuntu studio offers to people who might be interested, but not yet using, ubuntu studio
[22:01] <stochastic> Okay, I can sort out a feature tour to add to the welcome screen
[22:01] <ScottL> do you mean you will integrate the feature tour to the front page or just a link to another page with the content?
[22:01] <stochastic> knome can you play around with a sidebar concept (if it fits) and tidy up news and news categories
[22:02] <stochastic> not sure yet ScottL
[22:02] <ScottL> my original thought was that the feature tour would actually either be several sequential pages or an automated slideshow with text
[22:02] <knome> yeah, i'm already into it
[22:03] <stochastic> knome, actually, re:tabs what if we just reversed the vertical shape of the tabs?  That would make it very clear to me what they relate to 
[22:03] <knome> hmm?
[22:03] <ScottL> gotta go, i'll be back on later tonight though
[22:04] <stochastic> ScottL, yeah, that's what I picture when you first mentioned it
[22:04] <ScottL> stochastic, knome: if there is anything in particular you want to discuss with me, you can always email me at scottalavender@gmail.com
[22:06] <knome> stochastic, see frontpage
[22:06] <knome> or any page..
[22:06]  * stochastic looks
[22:07] <knome> stochastic, re: tabs, do you mean they should be on the top rather than the bottom?
[22:07] <stochastic> sidebar looks good but might be a touch wide
[22:08] <knome> mmh, i know
[22:08] <knome> but if you stretch the window (make it narrower), it's about right
[22:08] <stochastic> tabs I mean should have their curvy section below the words rather than above them (i.e. the background shading should just get vertically flipped)
[22:08] <knome> we could try a fixed-width sidebar too, but that's some work :)
[22:08] <knome> hmm....
[22:09] <knome> like, on top of the white area?
[22:10] <stochastic> knome, keep them in the same spot, but flip the background shading of them.  I'll gimp up a mockup of what I mean
[22:11] <knome> okay, thanks
[22:16] <stochastic> knome, http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/856/screenshotat20111031151.png/
[22:16] <knome> yeah, as i said, on top of the white area :]]
[22:16] <stochastic> that was the thought, not sure what I think of it
[22:16] <stochastic> :)
[22:16] <knome> i'm not sure if this makes it any more clear
[22:16] <knome> wouldn't you expect the content the change below the tabs NOW?
[22:17] <stochastic> no, the shape of the tabs to me reminds me of a filing cabinet's tabs or a control pannel's tabs were the base of the trapezoid moves
[22:17] <knome> heh
[22:21] <stochastic> I'll play around with some more mockups...
[22:25]  * knome grabs a beer
[22:25] <knome> okay, the sidebar is fixed-width now
[22:27] <stochastic> knome, here's one I like: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/14/screenshotat20111031151.png/
[22:27] <knome> ugh :)
[22:28] <stochastic> thoughts?
[22:28] <knome> that's a good style, but it's quite flat
[22:28] <knome> it's a bit boring-looking
[22:29] <knome> it's thing on top of other on top of other on top of other...
[22:29] <stochastic> okay, I'm sure it can be jazzed up/sorted out
[22:29] <knome> the current style is a bit more interesting for the eye
[22:31] <stochastic> I find it just confuses the brain
[22:31] <stochastic> :)
[22:31] <knome> the current style became when we wanted to separate the tabs from the main navi
[22:32] <stochastic> yeah
[22:32] <stochastic> I just think it'd be good to move away from tabs
[22:33] <stochastic> maybe I'm making too big a deal out of it
[22:33] <knome> what if they were something like dots
[22:33] <stochastic> possibly
[22:33] <knome> then you of course couldn't have titles for them
[22:33] <knome> well, that wouldn't look good
[22:34] <stochastic> a mouseover expand title?
[22:34] <knome> yeah
[22:34] <stochastic> I like that thought
[22:34] <knome> okay, i'll try that
[22:34] <stochastic> sweet, I do have to run out for a bit, I'll be back in an hour or two
[22:34] <knome> sure, np
[23:49] <stochastic> knome you still around?
[23:49] <knome> yup
[23:49] <stochastic> I like the look of those circles
[23:49] <knome> mm-hmm
[23:49] <stochastic> though maybe if they were faded around the edges?
[23:49] <knome> could be
[23:50] <stochastic> or possibly smaller and more spaced apart
[23:50] <knome> imo they should be quite large
[23:50] <knome> so people notices them
[23:50] <knome> as they don't have any labels
[23:51] <stochastic> okay
[23:51] <stochastic> I was also thinking the mouseover event could just display a text div whose CSS properties change from 'display:none;'
[23:51] <stochastic> rather than the cursor mouseover
[23:51] <knome> hmm
[23:51] <knome> you want a more instant reaction?
[23:51] <stochastic> i mean the current mouseover you need to hover for a while
[23:51] <stochastic> yeah
[23:52] <stochastic> a touch of javascript could easily do that
[23:52] <knome> yup
[23:52] <knome> mm
[23:52] <knome> true
[23:52] <knome> could be done with pure CSS too
[23:53] <stochastic> oh, didn't know that
[23:53] <knome> heh, yeah :)
[23:54] <stochastic> you could play with where the text sits, but I think a more instant reaction would be better, and look better than the current mouseover label
[23:54] <knome> mmh
[23:57]  * stochastic wonders if the labels should even be hidden (could it look nice with small text above the dots and more space between them?)
[23:58] <stochastic> just thinking out loud
[23:58] <knome> or text right to all the dots?
[23:58] <stochastic> sure
[23:58] <knome> i thought that before working on the current style
[23:58] <knome> but this was easier to do
[23:58] <stochastic> okay
[23:59] <stochastic> well I'm going to crack a beer and start work on more content