[00:04] <knome> ochosi, shot?
[00:05] <ochosi> sure, one sec
[00:06] <ochosi> actually i'm trying to figure out why skype and most other qt-apps don't recognize my gtk-theme in oneiric
[00:06] <ochosi> :/
[00:06] <ochosi> as long as i export GTK2_RC_FILES="$HOME/.gtkrc-2.0" it works
[00:06] <knome> a-ha
[00:06] <ochosi> so i guess i need to make an xinitrc
[00:07] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-10312011-010656am.php
[00:08] <knome> mm-hmm
[00:09] <knome> doesn't look bad at all
[00:09] <ochosi> i'm considering making the scrollbar a bit lighter
[00:09] <ochosi> to stand out less
[00:09] <ochosi> maybe like the resize-grip
[00:09] <GridCube> ochosi, thats pretty much awesome
[00:09] <ochosi> but i'm not sure
[00:09] <knome> yeah, probably wise
[00:10] <ochosi> with dark terminal-bg: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-10312011-011007am.php
[00:10] <GridCube> not bad
[00:10] <GridCube> not bad at all
[00:10] <ochosi> yeah, i think that works ok as well
[00:11]  * GridCube still wants embossed text :P
[00:11] <ochosi> GridCube: i think that'd make the window-title stand out less...
[00:11] <knome> the upper-right corner is a bit weird, but there's not much you can do about it..
[00:11] <GridCube> :P i know, but it would still be awesome
[00:12] <ochosi> knome: believe me, that's even weirder when adding a new tab...
[00:12] <knome> ochosi, lol
[00:12] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-10312011-011228am.php
[00:12] <knome> ahha
[00:13] <knome> overlapping detected  :P
[00:13] <ochosi> yeah :)
[00:13] <knome> otherwise, that's nice
[00:13] <ochosi> we basically have that problem already
[00:13] <ochosi> so it's not entirely new
[00:13] <knome> mmh
[00:13] <GridCube> it doesn't look that bad
[00:13] <ochosi> GridCube: look closely at the resize-grip
[00:14] <GridCube> yes and the top of the scroll bar too
[00:14] <ochosi> knome: what do you think about adding a tiny border to the resize-grip, similar to what the scrollbar has. too obtrusive?
[00:14] <ochosi> GridCube: yep
[00:16] <ochosi> like this: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-10312011-011557am.php
[00:16] <GridCube> thats better
[00:16] <ochosi> knome: i have to say i instantaneously like it :)
[00:16] <knome> ochosi, yeah, it's good
[00:16] <ochosi> k, i'll push that then
[00:17] <ochosi> it also looks better in other windows
[00:17] <knome> :)
[00:17] <knome> you mean in vista too?
[00:17]  * knome hides
[00:17] <ochosi> still not obtrusive and more like: "you can click me"
[00:17] <ochosi> yes :)
[00:18] <ochosi> meh, i hate that i have to always enter my credentials for zimagez in xfce-screenshoter
[00:18] <ochosi> wonder whether there's a way around that
[00:18] <knome> :)
[00:18] <knome> probably is
[00:18] <GridCube> using another imagehosting ?
[00:18] <knome> or you can just use "sausage" as the password
[00:19] <ochosi> yeah, maybe i'll just try something like that
[00:19] <ochosi> GridCube: i think xfce-screenshooter only supports zimagez atm
[00:19] <GridCube> :/
[00:19] <GridCube> REPORTING A WISHLISTBUG!
[00:19] <GridCube> /caplocks OFF
[00:23] <ochosi> another image with the new resize-grip: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-10312011-012252am.php
[00:25] <knome> mm-hmm
[00:25] <ochosi> actually that makes me wonder whether we should try to make the window-controls look like that as well
[00:25] <ochosi> or whether it'd be over-the-top
[00:26] <GridCube> light-grey icons?
[00:26] <knome> hard to accomplish i think, since you'd have to add 1px border to top-right-bottm-left..
[00:26] <ochosi> knome: yeah true
[00:26] <ochosi> GridCube: was mostly referring to the border
[00:26] <GridCube> ok
[00:26] <knome> http://wiki.knome.fi/xubuntu:websitetodo
[00:26] <knome> feel free to see if there is something that looks off
[00:28] <ochosi> mhm
[00:29] <ochosi> knome: hm, i think mostly the "x"-button would be hard to do, the others i can imagine working out. but i'm not sure it would look pretty...
[00:29] <knome> yeah
[00:30] <GridCube> ochosi, but what about people moving them around?
[00:30]  * GridCube hides
[00:31] <ochosi> ?
[00:31] <ochosi> me thinks maybe it's too late for him already to get jokes
[00:31] <ochosi> +/
[00:33] <GridCube> ochosi, 
[00:33] <GridCube> http://sirupsen.com/a-simple-imgur-bash-screenshot-utility/
[00:35] <ochosi> GridCube: hmyeah, sure there are other ways, but i kinda like xfce4-screenshooter. probably i'll talk to jerome and see if he's willing to fix it
[00:37] <knome> UAAH
[00:37] <knome> i hate the ubuntu wiki
[00:38] <knome> why is <b> and <a> set to be taller than a line?
[00:38] <knome> that's retarded
[00:41] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Website
[00:42] <ochosi> someone just fixed the terminal-tabs :) http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-10312011-014231am.php
[00:42] <knome> hmm
[00:43] <knome> can you have a gradient on the non-active tab?
[00:43] <knome> or is that out of control
[00:43] <ochosi> hm, tbh i don't know :)
[00:43] <knome> it's slightly confusing
[00:43] <ochosi> but i guess i can
[00:44] <knome> the active tab mixing so much with the bh
[00:44] <knome> *bg
[00:44] <knome> in the tab-area too
[00:44] <knome> if the gradient could start lower on the tab, it would be optimal
[00:44] <knome> but i suppose it can't :P
[00:44] <ochosi> yeah. that's the price you pay...
[00:44] <knome> what if you added just a very slightly darker 1px border?
[00:45] <ochosi> then it'd break the resize-grip again
[00:45] <knome> huh?
[00:45] <ochosi> i realized that what you see "behind" the resize-grip is the tab-frame
[00:45] <knome> aha
[00:45] <ochosi> so that border has to go...
[00:45] <knome> :<
[00:45] <GridCube> ochosi, what if you edit ~/.config/xfce4/xfce4-screenshooter/xfce4-screenshooter          and add a "password=something"
[00:46] <knome> me not likey
[00:46] <ochosi> GridCube: already tried ;)
[00:46]  * GridCube doesn't know why he is so worried about this
[00:46] <ochosi> worried about what?
[00:46] <GridCube> XD about making it work
[00:47] <GridCube> maybe worried is not tthe correct word
[00:48] <knome> determined :P
[00:48] <knome> meh, it's 3am
[00:48] <ochosi> hehe
[00:49] <GridCube> obsessed
[00:53] <knome> oh yay
[00:53] <knome> nuts
[00:53] <GridCube> you broke the ubuntu wiki?
[00:53] <knome> nope
[00:54] <knome> i'm eating roasted and salted cashew nuts
[00:54] <knome> i thought i could have a little something if i'm going to stay up longer :P
[00:56] <ochosi> it's slowly getting better i think: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-10312011-015553am.php
[00:56] <GridCube> :D it is
[00:56] <ochosi> dunno why the gradient is so clumsy though
[00:57] <knome> now we're talking; some *very* hot chili sauces with minced meat and beans with nacho chips
[00:57] <knome> ochosi, would that be because some gtk setting?:P
[00:57] <ochosi> knome: some stupid murrine-setting, no clue which one :)
[00:58] <knome> hehe
[00:59] <ochosi> but tbh i can live with this
[00:59] <ochosi> i mean it's not like i create a lot of tabs in my terminals
[01:00] <GridCube> cant it be not gradiented?
[01:00] <ochosi> well it has a gradient, it's just not very elegant :)
[01:01] <knome> ochosi, i think we played with that setting in albatross, but can't remember what that was
[01:02] <ochosi> yeah, albatross has a very intense glaze
[01:02] <knome> hmmm...
[01:02]  * knome feels the 'after death' in his mouth
[01:04] <GridCube> ochosi, :P can't you make it like firefox's tabs?
[01:04]  * ochosi thinks GridCube must be kidding
[01:04] <ochosi> :)
[01:04] <GridCube> XD
[01:06] <knome> anybody else want some 50k scoville dip?
[01:07] <GridCube> not knowing what that is,no
[01:07] <knome> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scoville_scale
[01:08] <GridCube> D: no, thanks
[01:08] <GridCube> last time i did one of those i puked
[01:08] <knome> hah
[01:12] <ochosi> think i'll stick with this for now: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-10312011-021226am.php
[01:13] <ochosi> definitely better than what we started out with imo
[01:13] <knome> :)
[01:15] <ochosi> it's even ok with a dark terminal
[01:15] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-10312011-021507am.php
[01:15] <knome> :)
[01:15] <ochosi> so i think i'll push both the new resize-grip and the terminal stuff
[01:17] <GridCube> :)
[01:17] <GridCube> i like it very much
[01:18] <ochosi> ok, both in git now
[01:20] <ochosi> think i'll also update the gmb-version in our ppa
[01:37] <knome> everyone gone? :P
[01:37] <ochosi> nah, still waiting for the gmb-packages to build
[01:37] <ochosi> so i can test them
[01:37] <knome> heh
[01:38] <ochosi> when it's already so late i tend to break things, so it's better to test the package :)
[01:38] <knome> see image posted at #shimmer
[01:38] <knome> ;)
[01:38] <ochosi> you really think i'll click a link with such a title? :D
[01:38] <knome> yeah
[01:39] <ochosi> ok, i did, but i was a bit disappointed ;)
[01:39] <knome> yeah
[01:39] <knome> but what a lovely name
[01:39] <knome> !
[01:39] <ochosi> indeed
[01:39] <knome> i wonder how much scovilles there is :P
[01:39] <knome> i mean, if it's >500k, the name is earned
[01:39] <knome> if not, then BOO
[01:39] <knome> :P
[01:40] <GridCube> i don't know how to apply this
[01:41] <knome> how to apply a hot sauce? :P
[01:42] <ochosi> ah nice, package just started building
[01:42] <GridCube> i saved the old terminal.rc to terminal.old and then created a new terminal.rc, choosed the greybird.rc both on  appareance and windows decorations but no grey terminal
[01:43] <GridCube> oh :D
[01:44] <GridCube> manually changing it to #cecece
[01:44] <ochosi> yes, the colors are not set by the gtk-theme
[01:44] <GridCube> :D
[01:51] <GridCube> ochosi,  its possible to make round the bottom corners?
[01:51] <ochosi> GridCube: for what?
[01:51] <GridCube> like the top corners are when windowsed :p
[01:51] <GridCube> for it to look nicer
[01:52] <knome> SHINY!!
[01:52] <ochosi> making them round would mean adding extra space in the bottom
[01:52] <knome> http://wp.xubuntu.org/
[01:52] <knome> we got our changes pulled
[01:52] <knome> one step closer to publishing it
[01:52] <ochosi> nice
[01:52] <GridCube> :D
[01:58] <knome> okay, i'm off for tonight
[01:58] <knome> see you later
[01:58] <ochosi> nighty night
[01:58] <GridCube> night
[01:58] <GridCube> im gonna do the same
[01:58] <GridCube> :)
[01:58] <GridCube> work tomorrow
[01:59] <GridCube> :D
[01:59] <ochosi> yup, me too
[01:59] <GridCube> later this week i hope to buy my new computer \o/
[01:59] <ochosi> what will you buy?
[01:59] <GridCube> http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-125343930-netbook-exomate-1250-lcd-10-touchscreen-atom-450-2gb-320-gb-_JM
[02:00] <ochosi> wow, pretty expensive stuff
[02:00] <ochosi> yet very toy-ish in its aesthetics. that's a funny combination :)
[02:00] <GridCube> (its on argentinian pesos, which is 700U$S
[02:01] <ochosi> oh ok
[02:01] <GridCube> but still, very expensive
[02:01] <ochosi> yeo
[02:01] <ochosi> yep
[02:01] <GridCube> i could buy a 17" notebook for that, not touchy tho
[02:02] <ochosi> looking forward to your xubuntu-touch-friendly review :)
[02:02] <GridCube> this one i can make work lika a tablet and use at the uni or other places whitout calling too much attention :P
[02:03] <GridCube> and its an intel classmate basically so it should work whit ubuntu
[02:03] <ochosi> mhm
[02:03] <GridCube> it has been reported to do so, except for the acelerometer
[02:05] <GridCube> well now im gone :) good luck
[10:07] <Bjorn__> hi, is there someone who can help me with a serious prob?
[14:56] <GridCube> hey madnick, you around?
[15:02] <madnick> GridCube: hi
[15:08] <madnick> is everyone at the UDS :|
[15:10] <madnick> GridCube: i read your email
[15:10] <GridCube> apparently
[15:10] <GridCube> :)
[15:10] <GridCube> awesome
[15:11] <GridCube> i wanted to talk to you about that
[15:11] <madnick> :P
[15:11] <GridCube> i think theres a lot of redundancy on our database
[15:11] <GridCube> date for example
[15:11] <madnick> Well, the design is getting there, but the types are a bit wrong
[15:13] <GridCube> :P explain
[15:13] <madnick> Okay
[15:14] <madnick> For example, we might not want "active" to bea 256 varchar, 
[15:14] <madnick> and i was thinking we put arch to 64 bit or 32 bit
[15:14] <madnick> we might even have an arch tble
[15:14] <madnick> table*
[15:15] <madnick> If its gonna be a not only xubuntu project
[15:15] <madnick> and ram could be unsigned int
[15:16] <madnick> and the schedule might need a bit more fields
[15:17] <madnick> Or infact, we could put arch on the test table
[15:18] <madnick> I have not really thought this through, because I was hoping we'd get more input on the mail
[15:27] <GridCube> we might, we might not
[15:28] <GridCube> i still do not understand what the "active" field stands for
[15:28] <madnick> if the testcase is active or not 
[15:28] <GridCube> the UserSpecs table needs a lotof work
[15:28] <GridCube> i don't understand what that means madnick 
[15:29] <madnick> well, lets say we have a test case "LiveCD Full Disk Install"
[15:29] <madnick> or similar
[15:29] <madnick> But we may want to make that inactive
[15:29] <madnick> So that it does not show up
[15:30] <madnick> But I also think that a test-schedule might be enough
[15:31] <GridCube> yes
[15:31] <GridCube> thats what i was thinking
[15:31] <GridCube> because teh "active" status is defined by the schedule
[15:32] <madnick> Well, we can think more about the db, but lets wait a couple of days, because someone might come along with an idea that changes everything :D And then we need to do a complete redesign 
[15:32] <madnick> And that is not fun :P
[16:20] <ablomen> For the keeping the blog filled thing: just ran across this review >> http://goo.gl/6ug1D
[16:28] <ochosi> mr_pouit: how come gvfs-backends isn't installed by default in 11.10? (as far as i can see now without it thunar can't do network-browsing)
[18:08] <micahg> I take it there's no meeting today
[18:12] <drc> Doesn't look like it....
[18:17] <micahg> well, wouldn't be for another hour
[18:18]  * drc hates time zones :(
[18:18] <micahg> heh
[18:19] <drc> Never remember if it's -6 or -5 here.
[18:19] <micahg> drc: where are you?
[18:19] <drc> Zulu Time Rocks!
[18:19] <micahg> probably -5 this week and -6 next :)
[18:20] <drc> I used to have a dula face watch, one with local and one with zulu
[18:20] <drc> micahg: yeah...one I stop and think, I remember...but thinking is not my strong suit.
[18:21] <micahg> drc: date -u :)
[18:22] <drc> micahg: Sorry...Nebraska USA
[18:23] <drc> I <think> it's CDT now...so -5...this week...
[18:23] <micahg> yeah
[19:08] <ochosi> micahg: yeah i think knome announced that the first team meeting would be after UDS
[19:08] <ochosi> micahg: btw, has gmusicbrowser 1.1.8 been synced to debian yet?
[19:09] <micahg> ochosi: alessio imported it, but hasn't uploaded, he's here at UDS, so hopefully I'll get to chat with him
[19:09] <ochosi> oh cool
[19:09] <ochosi> micahg: if you meet some of the other mozilla people, please bug them about the thunderbird-toolbar buttons ;)
[19:10] <micahg> heh, I think I have someone to bug about that
[19:10] <ochosi> awesome! :D