| markit | and in 11.04 I disabled nepomuk as well, but with 11.10 it keeps telling me that is disabled with an annoying notification | 00:00 |
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| markit | also upgrading some other PC from 11.04 gives a lot of similar notification about email config problems (even if I don't use email there) | 00:00 |
| jmichaelx | markit: i will say that, believe it or not, i think a full-blown kde would probably work fine on 640MB RAM | 00:00 |
| markit | jmichaelx: not my experience, sorry... 1GB is the bare minimum | 00:01 |
| markit | also that laptop is a celeron cpu | 00:01 |
| jmichaelx | yea, it will keep warning you that the service you disabled has been disabled... | 00:01 |
| markit | jmichaelx: I've seen the bug report, very disappointing | 00:01 |
| markit | the developer's attitude I hate most: is there because is ok | 00:01 |
| markit | even if no user and no logic can agree with that | 00:02 |
| jmichaelx | markit: until recently i was running fedora 14 with kde on a machine with a 2GHz P4, and 512MB RAM, and had no problems at all | 00:02 |
| markit | probably nepomuk dev want to force us to use it | 00:02 |
| markit | sounds so much "vista-like" features | 00:02 |
| markit | jmichaelx: I'm trying to help some school here to become Free. With LTSP thin client is ok, but fat or standalone boot and work really slowly with 512MB | 00:03 |
| markit | wondering if you have a SSD disk ;P | 00:03 |
| jmichaelx | nope, 5400rpm IDE | 00:03 |
| markit | or maybe fedora 14 is much more optimized for low memory | 00:03 |
| jmichaelx | i don't think so.... many of these systems runfine on lower than recommended RAM (within reason) | 00:04 |
| jmichaelx | probably the most RAM-hungry components of KDE are akonadi/nepomuk/virtuoso.... and my impression is that many (if not most) KDE users wish those components were not there to begin with | 00:06 |
| jmichaelx | (or that a person could at least easily opt out) | 00:07 |
| markit | akonadi should be a fine job in providing a common way to store things... is it memory hungry? | 00:08 |
| markit | nepomuk is scanning your hd to do index job I don't need or like instead | 00:08 |
| markit | don't know about virtuoso... what is it? maybe an enemy I've not yet tried to fight | 00:08 |
| jmichaelx | to be honest, i am not sure which does exactly what | 00:10 |
| jmichaelx | but you can disable file indexing without getting complaints all the time, as long as akonadi is not completely disabled | 00:10 |
| jmichaelx | sorry.... i meant nepomuk | 00:11 |
| markit | I've disabled nepomuk in system settings but it complains | 00:12 |
| markit | I've disabled also the "notify if nepomuk does not work" but still it complains | 00:12 |
| markit | in 11.04 disabling it had no side effects | 00:12 |
| jmichaelx | i have two computers here at my desk, and they both have intel atom CPUs... they run full-blown KDE without a hitch (they do each have 4GB RAM), but with file indexing enabled, it pulls down on the CPU noticeably.... maybe if i would let each index for a day or something, things would be fine afterward, don't know | 00:14 |
| jmichaelx | markit: yep, i experienced the same thing | 00:14 |
| jmichaelx | i just don't need nepomuk file indexing.... updatedb and locate do everything i need | 00:16 |
| markit | well, really I would love to have it as an option to enable IF I need, not something to fight against | 00:19 |
| markit | that's the central point | 00:19 |
| jmichaelx | i totally agree, some of these components need to be optional.... same goes for pulseaudio (which can be removed in KDE far more easily than in gnome) | 00:21 |
| jmichaelx | pulseaudio is fine, etc, IF it works well with your hardware, but WHY would something like pulse EVER be fully integrated into a DE as many issues as there are with it, i do not understand at all | 00:24 |
| jmichaelx | i probably should have typed 'tightly' instead of 'fully'.... | 00:26 |
| Daskreech | jmichaelx: Interesting how that works | 00:29 |
| jmichaelx | i realize that where there is software there are bugs and issues.... but that is all the more reason to allow for choice with some of this software | 00:30 |
| * Daskreech tries to weigh GNOME and choice on the scales | 00:35 | |
| Daskreech | Hmm doesn't seem to be equivalent | 00:35 |
| jmichaelx | that's for sure, but i won't say wish side is has the most weight :) | 00:35 |
| jmichaelx | (mostly because it's so obvious) | 00:36 |
| semitones | i accidentally moved all my panel indicators to the left of the panel | 00:36 |
| semitones | and in trying to get them back, messed up other stuff | 00:37 |
| semitones | is there any way I can undo the changes I made in the last 5 minutes | 00:37 |
| jmichaelx | semitones: i accidentally managed to do something like that once, and it took me a little bit to even realize what i'd done | 00:38 |
| semitones | yeah i don't know how I did it | 00:38 |
| semitones | and I remember deleting one of the icons in my indicator panel, but I don't remember which one | 00:38 |
| Daskreech | semitones: might just reset the plasma panele | 00:41 |
| semitones | how? | 00:41 |
| * jmichaelx also once wound up with two panels in the same place, and could not figure out what was wrong for several minutes | 00:44 | |
| Daskreech | jmichaelx: Yeah I had them one on top of the other | 00:45 |
| Daskreech | semitones: easy way is kill your plasmarc easier way is remove all your panels and add them back | 00:45 |
| semitones | I figured it out -- this time. next time I might just do that | 00:46 |
| Daskreech | semitones: whoo What was it? | 00:48 |
| semitones | i had deleted the window manager withoug realizing it | 00:48 |
| semitones | without that taking up space, all my icons and indicators slid all the way to the left | 00:49 |
| semitones | I didn't realize why that was happening | 00:49 |
| markit | btw, I've created a usb stick with a kubuntu 11.04 installation, but if I boot from a netbook, it uses the "netbook interface", where can I set it to use the classic one? | 00:51 |
| jmichaelx | you mean you deleted your 'task manager', but yeam that would do it | 00:51 |
| markit | found | 00:56 |
| jmichaelx | finding what you want in the plasma widget selector widget (whatever it's called) is not always easy, since many of them have worthless/confusing labels | 00:58 |
| smiffel | some gtk apps in kde dont use the selected widget/style, they use gtk default. Others use gtk-oxygen. ideas? | 00:58 |
| jmichaelx | smiffel: gtk2 apps are following your settings, gtk3 apps are not | 00:58 |
| jmichaelx | smiffel: that also puzzled me at first | 00:59 |
| smiffel | bad because evolution looks ugly :( | 00:59 |
| jmichaelx | smiffel: there may be something that can be done about that, but i am not sure what | 01:00 |
| smiffel | in mandriva it worked well | 01:00 |
| smiffel | another flaw, when i install google earth, there is no icon in the menu | 01:02 |
| jmichaelx | smiffel: probably only because the version of mandriva you were using did not yet incorporate any gtk3 apps | 01:02 |
| smiffel | jmichaelx: perhaps, 2010.2 didnt want to use 2011.0 | 01:03 |
| jmichaelx | smiffel: that issue was not present in the previous version of kubuntu, either | 01:04 |
| smiffel | correct, I use 10.04 on my Laptop, everything fine | 01:05 |
| smiffel | any way to manually change single icons like in earlier times? | 01:07 |
| jmichaelx | smiffel: yea, that has not changed, as far as i know | 01:10 |
| smiffel | i can't right click icon and change it on the panel | 01:11 |
| smiffel | i ask because google earth didnt install with icon, at least i dont see an icon | 01:12 |
| Daskreech | In Unity where is the notification manager? | 01:27 |
| jmichaelx | the center panel in amarok is using a really small font (in a wikipedia article, for example)... would anyone here know how adjust these fonts? | 01:41 |
| Daskreech | jmichaelx: MIght be able to stretch it with the size of the area? | 01:57 |
| phoenix_firebrd | how do i use postgresql as my akonadi backend? | 02:10 |
| Daskreech | Edit akonadiserverrc I'd guess | 02:13 |
| jmichaelx | Daskreech: does not seem to work... this font is miniscule | 02:15 |
| Daskreech | jmichaelx: hmm Boo | 02:18 |
| SIR_Taco | I know it's Halloween and all...but "Boo" should be "BOO!" | 02:19 |
| well_laid_lawn | boo | 02:20 |
| SIR_Taco | no no... "BOO!" | 02:20 |
| well_laid_lawn | heh | 02:21 |
| SIR_Taco | If only there were Braaaaaains around here :P | 02:23 |
| * TheEvilPhoenix drops SIR_Taco into a pit of dead bodies | 02:23 | |
| SIR_Taco | if I were a zombie... that would be good :) | 02:24 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | SIR_Taco: i'm disposing of zombies | 02:32 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | zombies are technically dead | 02:32 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | so... | 02:32 |
| * TheEvilPhoenix lowers in the nuclear explosive device | 02:32 | |
| TheEvilPhoenix | lol no i kid | 02:32 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | but seriously, that would end a zombie invasion | 02:32 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | s/invasion/apocalypse/ | 02:32 |
| SIR_Taco | I live 200 kms from a nuclear power plant... you think that might be the cause?! haha | 02:33 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | nuclear power plant != thermonuclear explosion | 02:33 |
| SIR_Taco | ah, but what if it was just a goverment cover story that it was a nuclear power plant and it really wasnt? | 02:34 |
| Daskreech | TheEvilPhoenix: You would be a great defense general | 02:35 |
| Daskreech | We are under attack! | 02:35 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | Daskreech: no i wouldnt. give me a nuke, and everyone dies. | 02:35 |
| Daskreech | Well kill everyoen on our side. Lets see how they will start a war then! | 02:35 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | just out of my paranoia | 02:35 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | :P | 02:35 |
| * TheEvilPhoenix believes there are terrorists around every corner | 02:36 | |
| TheEvilPhoenix | anyways... | 02:36 |
| SIR_Taco | The zombie hockey stick weilding Canadians are coming.... you've been warned... | 02:36 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | !offtopic | TheEvilPhoenix | 02:36 |
| ubottu | TheEvilPhoenix, please see my private message | 02:36 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | no | 02:36 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | :P | 02:36 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | umode +g for the win | 02:36 |
| SIR_Taco | yea sorry... this has been way off topic haha | 02:37 |
| === fishwithapipe is now known as f|shy | ||
| semitones | of the top of y'all's heads, what are the main shortcuts that use the super key? | 02:57 |
| Daskreech | semitones: in KDE? | 03:07 |
| Daskreech | Umm | 03:08 |
| Daskreech | Super+Q ? | 03:08 |
| semitones | Daskreech: what does it do? | 03:28 |
| Daskreech | semitones: manages Activities | 03:28 |
| semitones | what is this activity business? | 03:28 |
| Daskreech | it's like a collection of settings and applications that are kept together | 03:30 |
| Daskreech | so if you are doing photo work you can set up your Desktop to have Folderviews for your Photos Directories and it opens Digikam and GIMP | 03:31 |
| Daskreech | Then any time you want to work on your photos you jsut start the Photo Activity and you have all your things setup | 03:31 |
| Daskreech | When you are done for the night stop it and those go away | 03:31 |
| skomorokh | the oneiric dvd's boot menu doesn't have gparted and memtest listed in grub. is there a hidden way to get at them or it really can't book into those tools? | 03:48 |
| mase_work | skomorokh: was gparted in the previous version of ubuntu's boot menu ? | 03:49 |
| skomorokh | i have no idea. | 03:53 |
| skomorokh | installed a while ago | 03:53 |
| skomorokh | memtest is most important at the moment.. guess i could just burn it but i was pretty sure there'd be a way with this | 03:54 |
| mase_work | well i thought memtest was available | 03:55 |
| mase_work | but i've never seen gparted as part of the boot menu | 03:55 |
| skomorokh | there was a "repair" optiont that wasn't, normal install and advanced install... repair and advanced didn't seem to have a way to load memtest | 03:57 |
| yuqiqi | 请问怎么安装kubuntu ati驱动 | 04:11 |
| Unit193 | !cn | yuqiqi | 04:12 |
| ubottu | yuqiqi: 如欲獲得中文的協助，請輸入 /join #ubuntu-cn 或 /join #ubuntu-tw | 04:12 |
| semitones | what is the system clock called in kubuntu? I just realized it's not on my taskbar anymore | 04:15 |
| semitones | Daskreech: that's pretty cool about activities -- I'll have to set some up someday | 04:16 |
| Daskreech | semitones: There are loads of clocks | 04:17 |
| semitones | what's the default one on the taskbar called? I just want the old one back | 04:18 |
| Daskreech | semitones: You can filter applets by time so that should be easy to find | 04:18 |
| semitones | i can see the date and time ones | 04:18 |
| semitones | but not how to add it to the bar -- dragging does not work. maybe they are only desktop ones | 04:18 |
| semitones | oh hang on | 04:19 |
| semitones | i only have to click on it | 04:19 |
| semitones | man | 04:19 |
| semitones | i wish this DE behaved consistently :P | 04:19 |
| mase_work | it will eventually, it's harder to achieve since the people making each plasmoid / program are different | 04:21 |
| mase_work | it's not like gnome where there is a small tight group of people directing the flow | 04:22 |
| mase_work | but on the plus side it means you get more powerful features quicker | 04:22 |
| Daskreech | semitones: Yeah it's fiddly at times :0/ | 04:37 |
| semitones | it is still good though -- i really like how it looks and feels much better than gnome | 04:38 |
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| Daskreech | semitones: quite a bit :) | 04:40 |
| === max is now known as Guest21723 | ||
| === richard is now known as Guest62299 | ||
| dijonyummy | i edited an app by right clicking laucher, filled in info for it and saved it in the app launcher menu. but it doesnt show up in the proper group. i later reopen the menu editor and look for it and its not there. i try again and save it but it never really "saves". this is kde in 11.10 | 07:07 |
| === 17SABTHSE is now known as Num83rGuy | ||
| cousin_luigi | hello | 09:12 |
| cousin_luigi | How do you change the kdm background image? Systemsettings says you can't do that when using a theme, but I removed them all. | 09:13 |
| MondoBizarro | cousin_luigi: I am using the german version, but I think in in english it should be: Systemsettings -> KDM -> General -> Checkbox: using Desgin, or so on.. | 09:23 |
| cousin_luigi | MondoBizarro: great, thank:) | 09:28 |
| cousin_luigi | thanks* | 09:28 |
| cousin_luigi | MondoBizarro: what about the background shown right after login? | 09:29 |
| cousin_luigi | (which, incidentally, is the same picture by default) | 09:29 |
| MondoBizarro | cousin_luigi: i must search i bit, i believe the login is configured at an other point in systemsettings... | 09:36 |
| MondoBizarro | cousin_luigi: Systemsettings -> Workspace Appearance -> Spash Screen | 09:41 |
| cousin_luigi | MondoBizarro: thanks! | 09:42 |
| jemand | Hi all, after upgrading to Kmail 2 my trash bin has just disapeared. ;-( | 09:46 |
| jemand | any ideas? | 09:46 |
| === niels_ is now known as nielsbusch | ||
| brettw | Hi All. I just applied some updates and broke kdm. I do not see KDE as an option. What is it that causes KDM to have KDE or plasma as an option? I'm on oneiric. | 10:56 |
| brettw | I do see in muon package manager that kde still seems to be installed. | 10:57 |
| === ronnoc_ is now known as ronnoc | ||
| BluesKaj | Hi folks | 11:34 |
| Wizard | hi BluesKaj | 11:40 |
| BluesKaj | hey Wizard | 11:41 |
| Treibholz | can I synchronize the kde-configuration between computers? | 11:56 |
| Treibholz | so when configure an option on my workstation, I don't have to do it on my Notebook. | 11:57 |
| Euathlus | Hi, can i use HDMI on an netbook with Kubuntu? | 11:58 |
| BluesKaj | Euathlus, I would think so | 11:59 |
| Euathlus | is kubuntu the best choise for an netbook? | 12:01 |
| Wizard | Euathlus: I use it on a netbook | 12:05 |
| Wizard | so far so good | 12:05 |
| BluesKaj | Euathlus, lots of ppl use kubuntu very successfully on netbooks..."best" is always a matter of taste and preference | 12:05 |
| Wizard | like Torvalds would say: I realy, realy like it | 12:05 |
| Wizard | ;P | 12:05 |
| Wizard | BluesKaj is right | 12:06 |
| Euathlus | with amd or intel? i wonder who has better linu support intel atom or amd C or E Series | 12:06 |
| Euathlus | Wizard | 12:08 |
| Wizard | dunno, both are x86 crap | 12:08 |
| === Girly-Girl is now known as GirlyGIrl | ||
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| === canis is now known as Guest18424 | ||
| Guest18424 | I have I have a panel I added that seems to pop up where ever it wants to on the desktop when using various applications, or even on restart. | 13:04 |
| Guest18424 | I'm guessing that this isn't normal | 13:04 |
| phoenix_firebrd | I need to change the akonadi backend from mysql to postgresql | 13:40 |
| === djallu is now known as D_74_LU | ||
| phoenix_firebrd | need a kde frontend to manage postgresql | 13:59 |
| BluesKaj | phoenix_firebrd, do some research , that's rather specialized question . much more than normal | 14:03 |
| phoenix_firebrd | BluesKaj: i am meddling and googling about this for the past 2 days, no progress, i am continuing the search | 14:04 |
| === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan | ||
| Torch | phoenix_firebrd: i don't think there's any, at least not anything powerful and mature. personally, i use phppgadmin | 14:15 |
| phoenix_firebrd | Torch: are you using akonadi? | 14:16 |
| Torch | phoenix_firebrd: not really. i don't use my KDE desktop for PIM stuff | 14:19 |
| phoenix_firebrd | Torch: i need it only to backup and restore my kjots notes in a proper way | 14:20 |
| Torch | phoenix_firebrd: the "proper" way to backup pg databases is documented in their (fine, IMHO) manual | 14:22 |
| phoenix_firebrd | Torch: postgresql is not working for me right now | 14:22 |
| phoenix_firebrd | Torch: i am now trying to find the problem in msql restore and backup | 14:23 |
| Wizard | postgre had some nice ui tool | 14:23 |
| phoenix_firebrd | Wizard: any kde frontend? | 14:27 |
| Wizard | it was written with wx | 14:27 |
| Wizard | also, there was some qt db tool, more for developers, but I think it had support for postgre | 14:27 |
| Wizard | also, SquirrelSQL is quite nice, I use it daily at work | 14:29 |
| Wizard | depends what kind of tool you need | 14:29 |
| phoenix_firebrd | Wizard: i found that there is a bug in the akonadi backup restore tool | 14:33 |
| Wizard | ah, and you want to dump db? | 14:34 |
| phoenix_firebrd | Wizard: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=96285 | 14:34 |
| Wizard | ok, I have other problem: I'm looking for Kubuntu for PPC :> | 14:34 |
| phoenix_firebrd | Wizard: ppc? | 14:35 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | Wizard: whats PPC? | 14:35 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | PowerPC? | 14:35 |
| Wizard | PowerPC | 14:35 |
| phoenix_firebrd | ok | 14:35 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | Wizard: for future reference, PowerPC is *not* usually abbreviated as PPC | 14:35 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | its usually called just PowerPC | 14:35 |
| Wizard | heh | 14:35 |
| Wizard | strange | 14:35 |
| Wizard | most of linux distros use ppc abbrevation | 14:36 |
| Wizard | ah! "More ports (unsupported!)" sounds like I'm home | 14:37 |
| Wizard | (yes, unsupported is the keyword, scr*w you, Apple!) | 14:38 |
| === mgagne is now known as wftl | ||
| Bortune | Need help finding my desktop. My 2 yo decided to punch keys on keyboard and somehow changed my customized desktop to the standard kubuntu 11.04. Ibelieve the old one is still there somewhere, i just can't get to it. I rebooted and it loaded the new(old) desktop but kontact said there is another instance running on another desktop, so..... how do I revert to my custom desktop? thanks | 14:41 |
| Wizard | Bortune: o_O | 14:45 |
| Bortune | yea!?! | 14:45 |
| Wizard | amazing, I don't even have an idea what might have happen | 14:45 |
| Wizard | maybe you logged in as another user? guest or something? | 14:46 |
| Bortune | so after rebooting, my firefox windows reloaded. when i clicked them it took me to my old desktop. but when i clicked on quassel, it took me back to the default desktop and I cant find my open firefox anymore | 14:46 |
| Bortune | same loggin. I am totally confused and puzzled as to how she can find these "shortcuts"! | 14:47 |
| Wizard | hmm | 14:47 |
| Wizard | maybe it enabled activities or something | 14:48 |
| Wizard | does anybody have any idea? | 14:48 |
| Bortune | obviously there is another desktop instance running, just dont know how to revert to the other one | 14:48 |
| Bortune | it isnt the virtual desktops. what else could it be? | 14:49 |
| Wizard | hmm | 14:49 |
| Wizard | ps ax | grep plasma | grep -v grep | wc -l | 14:49 |
| Wizard | paste it on console | 14:49 |
| BluesKaj | Bortune, do you have different widgets activated for different desktops in sys settings>workspce behaviour>virtualdesktops ? | 14:51 |
| Bortune | BluesKaj: lemmi check | 14:51 |
| Bortune | BluesKaj: nope | 14:52 |
| BluesKaj | Bortune, maybe previous sessions were saved and that's what you're seeing when you suse differnt desktops with different apps...just guessing | 14:54 |
| BluesKaj | suse=use ..oops :) | 14:54 |
| Bortune | :) | 14:54 |
| Bortune | i dont Suse! | 14:55 |
| Bortune | :P | 14:55 |
| BluesKaj | neither do I | 14:55 |
| Bortune | the weird thing is, when i clicked on firefox in panel it took me to my old settings, then i came back to IRC and the old desktop is back | 14:56 |
| Bortune | now the firefox in panel is no longer there, so I think it is another instance, I just dont know how to switch back to it | 14:56 |
| BluesKaj | yeah , i had that happen along time ago , can't recall what fixed it tho | 14:57 |
| BluesKaj | Bortune, try desktop settings > layout, right click on the panel | 15:00 |
| BluesKaj | err the desktop rather | 15:00 |
| reuabreliz | Hello guys! Can someone help me with the kubuntu installation? | 15:03 |
| BluesKaj | well, gotta go ...stuff to do | 15:03 |
| Bortune | BluesKaj: thank you | 15:03 |
| Bortune | Wizard: can you tell me what that will do? | 15:03 |
| reuabreliz | I habe problems with kubuntu installation (Write acess errors). Can someone help? | 15:05 |
| Torch | reuabreliz: probably not until you give more details | 15:11 |
| Wizard | Bortune: count plasma desktops | 15:30 |
| Wizard | you're not familiar with bash scripting, right? | 15:30 |
| === spacebug is now known as spacebug- | ||
| Bortune | basic knowledge of terminal, thats it Wizard | 15:35 |
| === HomeRoey is now known as EvilRoey | ||
| Wizard | so, ps ax list processes, grep plasma will look for plasma and print lines containing them, grep -v grep will look for grep and remove lines containing it, wc -l will count the lines | 15:36 |
| Wizard | I just wanted to know if you have only one plasma running | 15:37 |
| Bortune | ok thanks Wizard. I just found ctrl + f8 can switch back and forth but something is still off | 15:37 |
| Bortune | let me check | 15:37 |
| Bortune | Wizard: 2 | 15:38 |
| Wizard | nah | 15:38 |
| Wizard | should be one :/ | 15:38 |
| Bortune | hmm | 15:38 |
| Wizard | at least I have one | 15:38 |
| Bortune | how did this happen? any ideas | 15:38 |
| Wizard | ps ax | grep plasma | 15:38 |
| Wizard | paste this somewhere | 15:39 |
| Bortune | AHHA, I have an extra activity, think that might be the problem | 15:39 |
| Bortune | I know nothing about activities | 15:41 |
| Bortune | but meta+q allows me to switch between the two | 15:41 |
| Bortune | Wizard: thank you for your time. meta+tab is my saving grace | 15:42 |
| Wizard | I don't use activities at all | 15:43 |
| Wizard | but that was my first guess ;) | 15:43 |
| Wizard | iirc | 15:43 |
| Bortune | me either! but apparently my daughter likes them :) | 15:43 |
| Wizard | :D | 15:43 |
| === annalee_ is now known as annalee | ||
| BarkingFish | Guys, I think we have a problem. | 16:07 |
| BarkingFish | I just checked apper to see if I had any updates, and under the legacy section it mentions python-gobject2, which is deprecated | 16:07 |
| BarkingFish | So since it's deprecated, i went to remove it, and it wanted to take another 14 packages with it, including apper itself :) | 16:08 |
| === iamkrazee is now known as krZy | ||
| Wizard | BarkingFish: so, what does that mean? | 16:15 |
| Wizard | and what apper is? | 16:15 |
| BarkingFish | apper is what replaced kpackagekit in the new version of Kubuntu, Wizard | 16:15 |
| krZy | hi.. i just installed oneiric kubuntu, now i need to use my android phone's usb tethering with it I have just no way of getting this to work. Need help. | 16:15 |
| BarkingFish | and what it means is, we have a package which sudo apt-get autoremove will take off, but it will also require other packages which we NEED to go at the same time | 16:16 |
| Wizard | nah, does autoremove get rid of deprecated packages? | 16:19 |
| yofel | BarkingFish: here apper does not depend on python-gobject | 16:19 |
| Wizard | strange | 16:19 |
| BarkingFish | yofel: Well if I try and take the legacy package off, apper tries to remove itself too | 16:19 |
| yofel | why is it legacy btw. ? | 16:20 |
| BarkingFish | no idea | 16:20 |
| Wizard | I don't see any apper installed o_O | 16:21 |
| yofel | Wizard: not installed by default | 16:21 |
| BarkingFish | if you open apper, and go to the legacy section, it's in there - python-gobject-2: deprecated static Python bindings for the GObject library | 16:21 |
| Wizard | ah | 16:21 |
| * yofel goes installing apper | 16:21 | |
| Wizard | can Google Docs open iWork files? | 16:24 |
| BarkingFish | but if you click to remove it, and then apply your pending changes, it comes up with this, yofel: | 16:24 |
| BarkingFish | http://i42.tinypic.com/hrla9w.jpg | 16:24 |
| yofel | BarkingFish: ah, legacy is what dpkg calls oldlibs - just because they're old doesn't mean nothing uses them | 16:24 |
| BarkingFish | ah | 16:24 |
| Quintasan | Wizard: How would we know? Ask google support :P | 16:24 |
| Wizard | Quintasan: very funny | 16:25 |
| Wizard | your answers are allways pretty useful ;P | 16:25 |
| Quintasan | I suggest that you try it and report a bug to Google if you belive it's needed | 16:25 |
| BarkingFish | yofel - i was confused because of people calling Kpackagekit "legacy" when i was asking about resurrecting it a while ago - it gave me the impression that legacy = deprecated = not used anymore | 16:25 |
| yofel | you're not supposed to use it anymore, but you 'can' | 16:27 |
| yofel | and they're used by packages that simply weren't updated to not use them | 16:27 |
| yofel | obsolete would probably be a better name for kpackagekit | 16:28 |
| BarkingFish | i've always had the same complaint with terminology, yofel - it helps if everyone uses the same words to mean the same things :) | 16:29 |
| genii-around | !info mol | 16:29 |
| ubottu | Package mol does not exist in oneiric | 16:29 |
| genii-around | Hm | 16:29 |
| BarkingFish | to me, legacy means "in the past, old, antiquated" - obsolete means "dead, history, gone, never coming back" | 16:29 |
| * yofel agrees | 16:30 | |
| SaEeDIRHA | hello, i am new to kubuntu, can you tell me how can i add My Computer and trash bin icon on desktop? | 17:07 |
| mfraz74 | Waste bin - click on the icon in the top right corner, select add widgets and then drag the waste bin icon to wherever you want it | 17:11 |
| SaEeDIRHA | mfraz74, how about "My Computer" icon ? | 17:12 |
| mfraz74 | where do you want the "my computer" icon to point to? | 17:12 |
| SaEeDIRHA | since its weird that in kubuntu , the desktop is the home folder but not desktop folder | 17:12 |
| SaEeDIRHA | /home/saeed/ | 17:13 |
| rork | SaEeDIRHA: go to the menu, drag "Dolphin" to the desktop, rename it to "My computer" | 17:14 |
| SaEeDIRHA | also the icons are too big , is there any way to make them smaller ? | 17:15 |
| yofel | SaEeDIRHA: what do you mean by 'that in kubuntu, the desktop is the said folder but not desktop folder' ? By default the KDE desktop is a set of widgets - not any folder | 17:16 |
| mfraz74 | are you using the desktop view or folder view? | 17:17 |
| SaEeDIRHA | mfraz74, yofel , i have changed the folder view to specific folder and , my desktop view shows items in my desktop folder | 17:18 |
| yofel | so it's now set to what you want? | 17:19 |
| mfraz74 | SaEeDIRHA: if you right click and select folder view settings, there is a slider where you can change the icon view | 17:19 |
| SaEeDIRHA | mfraz74, i used to work with ubuntu in gnome desktop, KDE is way different :D feel like i am lost :D | 17:20 |
| mfraz74 | SaEeDIRHA: I'm the other way round - I've always used KDE since moving over to Linux, Gnome seemed odd to me | 17:21 |
| SaEeDIRHA | mfraz74, i have been learning to Qt programming these days , thats why i decided to migrate to KDE desktop :) | 17:22 |
| SaEeDIRHA | and please excuse me if i ask very naive questions | 17:22 |
| SaEeDIRHA | learning C++ Qt* | 17:23 |
| yofel | you're not the only one - so don't worry about that :) | 17:23 |
| SaEeDIRHA | still cannot find how to change icons size , they are too big on my desktop | 17:24 |
| mfraz74 | have you gone to the settings window? | 17:24 |
| SaEeDIRHA | and what is that + sing on files when you move your cursor over them ? | 17:25 |
| SaEeDIRHA | mfraz74, where is that ? | 17:25 |
| SaEeDIRHA | mfraz74, Folder view settings ? | 17:25 |
| SaEeDIRHA | mfraz74, ok got it , tnx :) | 17:25 |
| SaEeDIRHA | what is that + sign over files when you move the mouse cursor over them ? | 17:27 |
| yofel | SaEeDIRHA: select the file - you'll notice it's marked when you click on the +, and the + changes into a - | 17:28 |
| SaEeDIRHA | yofel, correct , but what is that for ? | 17:29 |
| yofel | selecting files? Like you would do by single-clicking on them in gnome | 17:29 |
| yofel | as single-click in kde will OPEN the file | 17:29 |
| SaEeDIRHA | yofel, ahhh , i see :) | 17:30 |
| yofel | by default at lesat | 17:30 |
| yofel | *least | 17:30 |
| SaEeDIRHA | i managed to resize icons for files , but i the icon for waste bin which is a widget doesnt change | 17:31 |
| SaEeDIRHA | its still too big | 17:31 |
| yofel | SaEeDIRHA: go onto the widget, a small panel will slide out - dragging the topmost button will change the widget size | 17:32 |
| SaEeDIRHA | yofel, i can click on it , but it doesnt change any thing , when i drag it and move the mouse nothing happens either | 17:34 |
| yofel | meh, you can make that widget only larger, not smaller for some reason... | 17:35 |
| SaEeDIRHA | yofel, i see | 17:35 |
| SaEeDIRHA | thank you | 17:36 |
| SaEeDIRHA | how is it possible to add network location to Dolphin sidebar when they are mounted ? | 17:43 |
| SaEeDIRHA | this automatically happens when you mount network drives to /media/ location | 17:44 |
| skomorokh | anyone know a good guide to installing oneiric with dmcrypt? | 17:49 |
| === b_ is now known as Guest89243 | ||
| serenity | hi there | 18:36 |
| serenity | on certain websites firefox causes Xorg to eat up 100% of my cpu. This also happens with a add-ons disabled | 18:37 |
| serenity | *all | 18:37 |
| genii-around | serenity: Do you have the Adobe flash plugin, or one of the free ones? | 18:46 |
| serenity | genii-around: these pages are non-flash | 18:47 |
| genii-around | serenity: Ah. Often Adobe's npviewer.bin occupies the cpu. Are you certain there are no ads on the pages which are using it? | 18:48 |
| genii-around | ( the top command would show npviewer.bin as using a lot of resources ) | 18:49 |
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| alessagiar | ciao... | 18:49 |
| serenity | genii-around: i am. One of this pages is my owncloud installation ;) | 18:49 |
| rork | ciao alessagiar, do you need help in italian? | 18:51 |
| genii-around | serenity: If you go to Tools...Add-Ons... Plugins .... you can selectively disable those as well, then to try refreshing the page and see if one of those is the issue | 18:55 |
| serenity | genii-around: no change | 19:00 |
| genii-around | serenity: Which video driver does your (k)ubuntu use? | 19:08 |
| serenity | genii-around: nvidia prop. | 19:12 |
| incorrect | would i find kde4 too heavy on my 1gb atom netbook? | 19:13 |
| serenity | test it, in oneiric there is a package called kubuntu-low-fat-settings which reduces the cpu/ram usage | 19:13 |
| serenity | genii-around: 173.14.30 | 19:14 |
| incorrect | i think i should upgrade to 2gb | 19:14 |
| genii-around | serenity: Have you considered replacing it with nvidia-current ? | 19:15 |
| serenity | genii-around: this is the version which was installed via nvidia-current | 19:15 |
| genii-around | Hm | 19:15 |
| genii-around | !info nvidia-current | 19:15 |
| ubottu | nvidia-current (source: nvidia-graphics-drivers): NVIDIA binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU library. In component restricted, is optional. Version 280.13-0ubuntu6 (oneiric), package size 30824 kB, installed size 90500 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 lpia) | 19:15 |
| serenity | oh | 19:16 |
| serenity | i might be wrong | 19:16 |
| serenity | *installing* | 19:16 |
| incorrect | should i install kubuntu-full or -netbook? | 19:17 |
| incorrect | oh i will just do full | 19:19 |
| lnostdal | hum, slightly annoying how some trivial conflicts in the libreoffice ppa can "lock out" the user from updating the rest of his system | 19:20 |
| lnostdal | ( http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3119100.0 ) | 19:20 |
| genii-around | incorrect: You can always add the netbook desktop layout later by installing plasma-netbook | 19:20 |
| incorrect | thanks | 19:20 |
| genii-around | lnostdal: Yes, you should give the owner or team responsible for the PPA proper heck | 19:21 |
| incorrect | i've not tried kde4 since 4.0 | 19:24 |
| serenity | incorrect: a lot happend, believe me | 19:27 |
| NJL | how can I make more than one VPN connection show up on the left (connected side) of the widget when they're connected with the networkmanager | 19:30 |
| Daskreech | Whoohoo! Equalizer in Dragon Player :) | 19:48 |
| === andy_ is now known as Guest3093 | ||
| incorrect | how do i enable the low-fat mode? | 20:28 |
| claydoh | incorrect: install the package kubuntu-low-fat-settings but it will change the look and feel a bit as well as turn off the autostart of a number of potentially useful things | 20:31 |
| claydoh | but if you havea low spec or really old system it is good | 20:31 |
| claydoh | if you dont like, just uninstall it and reboot | 20:32 |
| incorrect | well i will go back to xubuntu | 20:33 |
| incorrect | shame it is so heavy | 20:33 |
| oriol | hola? | 20:37 |
| oriol | owo | 20:37 |
| oriol | hello? | 20:38 |
| oriol | hello? | 20:40 |
| === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger | ||
| === KjetilK_ is now known as KjetilK | ||
| Jilly | anyone know how to run muon as root? It's in the kde menus....it wants to install updates...but it never asks for my password and then complains that it can't update. | 20:52 |
| lethu | Jilly, try $ sudo muon | 20:54 |
| Jilly | lethu, ok...I guess I'll just try that. | 20:54 |
| m0llusk | muon should automatically pop up a password panel and authorize itself--it sounds like something is going wrong | 20:56 |
| Jilly | m0llusk, that's what I figured. | 20:57 |
| Jilly | when I try to sudo muon, it says kdecache-ariel is owned by uid 1001 instead of uid 0. | 20:58 |
| yofel | Jilly: check if polkit-kde-1 is installed | 21:07 |
| yofel | bah, just missed him | 21:07 |
| dijonyummy | i edited an app by right clicking laucher, filled in info for it and saved it in the app launcher menu. but it doesnt show up in the proper group. i later reopen the menu editor and look for it and its not there. i try again and save it but it never really "saves". this is kde in 11.10 | 21:16 |
| natman | hi, I just checked to see if there are any updates to get, it told me 80 are availible!! i had a look, most of them are just stuff i dont have installed to start with, eg. abiword, 3d chess, adept....etc | 21:40 |
| natman | why are these on my update list? | 21:40 |
| natman | ok maybe my mistake, I just checked again, its not 80 and they are normal, it was Muon giving me a weird list - mmmm im still not in love with Muon!! :( | 21:45 |
| Gimpster1991 | hello? | 21:54 |
| Gimpster1991 | this is my first time using irc is there anyone outthere to show me the ropes? | 21:55 |
| natman | hi Gimpster1991 | 21:57 |
| Gimpster1991 | Hi! | 21:57 |
| natman | how are you? i take it your using Kubuntu? hows it running for you? | 21:57 |
| Gimpster1991 | Love it! the gui is way sexier than ubuntu... :) | 21:58 |
| natman | btw to highlight a message, just type the users name, ( first few letters, then "tab" will auto fill the name | 21:58 |
| natman | wanna give it a try? | 21:58 |
| Gimpster1991 | sure | 21:58 |
| Gimpster1991 | natman: ohh thats cool | 21:59 |
| natman | lol awesome! and yes much sexier! | 21:59 |
| natman | afraid, you have seen the extend of my IRC knowledge :D | 21:59 |
| Gimpster1991 | natman: havent been on the linux side for very long work intales being with :(( windows | 22:00 |
| Gimpster1991 | natman: just got 11.10 loaded last night | 22:00 |
| natman | ahh im the same, its all outlook and other crap, my laptop at home is pure Tux :) | 22:00 |
| natman | 11.10 is nice! i really like it so far, but Muon the package manager is giving some small issues, doesnt tell me when there is an update availible | 22:01 |
| Gimpster1991 | natman: nice! i have a netbook with win7, winxp, and ubuntu but i think i will change it to kubuntu | 22:01 |
| Gimpster1991 | hmmm | 22:01 |
| Gimpster1991 | natman: i had trouble upgrading to 11.10 | 22:02 |
| natman | ya, i used to run but U and Kubuntu, was way to confusing, so i stepped over to KDE and never looked back | 22:02 |
| Gimpster1991 | natman: but so far no issues | 22:02 |
| Gimpster1991 | natman: ?? stepped over? KDE? | 22:02 |
| natman | aww sorry to hear, i think a fresh install is always safer, but it means more reinstalling | 22:03 |
| Gimpster1991 | natman: help! LOL | 22:03 |
| natman | ahh just mean i stepped over to the KDE camp, i.e i like KDE | 22:03 |
| Gimpster1991 | natman: true but sometimes no alt | 22:03 |
| Gimpster1991 | natman: i have no exp with KDE only bn using for a week or less | 22:04 |
| natman | cool, working ok so far? | 22:04 |
| Gimpster1991 | natman: yes, I am in school for CIS but mostly win stuff, really want to learn more about this! | 22:05 |
| natman | whats CIS? | 22:05 |
| Gimpster1991 | natman: sorry Comupter Info Sys | 22:06 |
| natman | btw since it seems to be only us, there is no need to highligh - but its up to you | 22:06 |
| natman | ahh cool, | 22:06 |
| Gimpster1991 | cool with me LOL | 22:06 |
| Gimpster1991 | ive never been on an IRC b4 | 22:07 |
| natman | i work in a university, so lots of academic stuff is linux based | 22:07 |
| natman | your fine | 22:07 |
| Gimpster1991 | tried on windows but didnt wanna pay $50 | 22:07 |
| Gimpster1991 | do you mind if I ask what university? | 22:07 |
| natman | lol, use KIRC, its free opensource one for windows :D | 22:07 |
| natman | there is always an open source option! | 22:08 |
| Gimpster1991 | :) i think i will stay here LOL | 22:08 |
| Gimpster1991 | yes this is true | 22:08 |
| natman | sorry its called " kvirc" | 22:08 |
| Gimpster1991 | we were talking in class about how opensource is becoming more popular than not | 22:08 |
| natman | ya, but its weird, linux is still only like 1% of the pc market :( its very popular for everything else | 22:09 |
| Gimpster1991 | yea win still has the nitch for people that arnt good with computers | 22:10 |
| natman | its a pity, certains thins in windows are nicer, eg firefox does look pretty! | 22:10 |
| Gimpster1991 | LOL well IE9 is a remake of FireFox! the gui is almost the exact same | 22:11 |
| natman | lol | 22:11 |
| Gimpster1991 | and from what I have seen about Win8 its geared more for touchscreen computers | 22:12 |
| natman | but must admit, im still a dual boot laptop, i find the hdmi out works perfect in win, not so much in linux | 22:12 |
| Gimpster1991 | hmmmm dont have a puter with hdmi LOL | 22:12 |
| mas | i saw the same with win8 , great for touch screens and tablets | 22:13 |
| natman | yup were all tablet crazy these days i guess - ill wait till its a flexible e ink screen! | 22:13 |
| natman | hi mas | 22:13 |
| Gimpster1991 | LOL | 22:13 |
| mas | hey natman | 22:13 |
| Gimpster1991 | hi mas | 22:13 |
| Gimpster1991 | well as long as there are win pc about I will have job security LOL | 22:14 |
| mas | hey Gimpster1991 | 22:14 |
| Gimpster1991 | hello | 22:15 |
| natman | :) well i dont think you have anything to worry about in the near term, i will admit Win 7 is quite good, but still prefer KDE | 22:15 |
| Gimpster1991 | yes I agree | 22:16 |
| Gimpster1991 | I still like and use XP but win7 has about 3 more features I like | 22:16 |
| Gimpster1991 | and I am feeling the conversion to KDE..... LOL | 22:16 |
| natman | lol | 22:16 |
| Gimpster1991 | I just need to get used to the commands | 22:17 |
| natman | like terminal commands? | 22:17 |
| Gimpster1991 | yea | 22:17 |
| Gimpster1991 | they are a bit diff than dos | 22:17 |
| natman | well i use http://www.amazon.co.uk/Linux-Phrasebook-Scott-Granneman/dp/0672328380/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1320185901&sr=8-1 | 22:18 |
| natman | i really find it handy and easy to follow, lots of simple examples | 22:18 |
| Gimpster1991 | sweet! thank you | 22:19 |
| natman | well its tea+toast time!!, been nice chatting, have fun with Kubuntu!! | 22:19 |
| natman | maybe chat again, cya | 22:19 |
| natman | night | 22:20 |
| Gimpster1991 | laters | 22:20 |
| mas | bye ya | 22:30 |
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| IEatKawFish | Is there a way to mute my laptop speaker while leaving the headphones untouched? | 23:11 |
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