[00:00] <markit> and in 11.04 I disabled nepomuk as well, but with 11.10 it keeps telling me that is disabled with an annoying notification
[00:00] <markit> also upgrading some other PC from 11.04 gives a lot of similar notification about email config problems (even if I don't use email there)
[00:00] <jmichaelx> markit: i will say that, believe it or not, i think a full-blown kde would probably work fine on 640MB RAM
[00:01] <markit> jmichaelx: not my experience, sorry... 1GB is the bare minimum
[00:01] <markit> also that laptop is a celeron cpu
[00:01] <jmichaelx> yea, it will keep warning you that the service you disabled has been disabled...
[00:01] <markit> jmichaelx: I've seen the bug report, very disappointing
[00:01] <markit> the developer's attitude I hate most: is there because is ok
[00:02] <markit> even if no user and no logic can agree with that
[00:02] <jmichaelx> markit: until recently i was running fedora 14 with kde on a machine with a 2GHz P4, and 512MB RAM, and had no problems at all
[00:02] <markit> probably nepomuk dev want to force us to use it
[00:02] <markit> sounds so much "vista-like" features
[00:03] <markit> jmichaelx: I'm trying to help some school here to become Free. With LTSP thin client is ok, but fat or standalone boot and work really slowly with 512MB
[00:03] <markit> wondering if you have a SSD disk ;P
[00:03] <jmichaelx> nope, 5400rpm IDE
[00:03] <markit> or maybe fedora 14 is much more optimized for low memory
[00:04] <jmichaelx> i don't think so.... many of these systems runfine on lower than recommended RAM (within reason)
[00:06] <jmichaelx> probably the most RAM-hungry components of KDE are akonadi/nepomuk/virtuoso....  and my impression is that many (if not most) KDE users wish those components were not there to begin with
[00:07] <jmichaelx> (or that a person could at least easily opt out)
[00:08] <markit> akonadi should be a fine job in providing a common way to store things... is it memory hungry?
[00:08] <markit> nepomuk is scanning your hd to do index job I don't need or like instead
[00:08] <markit> don't know about virtuoso... what is it? maybe an enemy I've not yet tried to fight
[00:10] <jmichaelx> to be honest, i am not sure which does exactly what
[00:10] <jmichaelx> but you can disable file indexing without getting complaints all the time, as long as akonadi is not completely disabled
[00:11] <jmichaelx> sorry.... i meant nepomuk
[00:12] <markit> I've disabled nepomuk in system settings but it complains
[00:12] <markit> I've disabled also the "notify if nepomuk does not work" but still it complains
[00:12] <markit> in 11.04 disabling it had no side effects
[00:14] <jmichaelx> i have two computers here at my desk, and they both have intel atom CPUs... they run full-blown KDE without a hitch (they do each have 4GB RAM), but with file indexing enabled, it pulls down on the CPU noticeably.... maybe if i would let each index for a day or something, things would be fine afterward, don't know
[00:14] <jmichaelx> markit: yep, i experienced the same thing
[00:16] <jmichaelx> i just don't need nepomuk file indexing.... updatedb and locate do everything i need
[00:19] <markit> well, really I would love to have it as an option to enable IF I need, not something to fight against
[00:19] <markit> that's the central point
[00:21] <jmichaelx> i totally agree, some of these components need to be optional.... same goes for pulseaudio (which can be removed in KDE far more easily than in gnome)
[00:24] <jmichaelx> pulseaudio is fine, etc, IF it works well with your hardware, but WHY would something like pulse EVER be fully integrated into a DE as many issues as there are with it, i do not understand at all
[00:26] <jmichaelx> i probably should have typed 'tightly' instead of 'fully'....
[00:29] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: Interesting how that works
[00:30] <jmichaelx> i realize that where there is software there are bugs and issues.... but that is all the more reason to allow for choice with some of this software
[00:35]  * Daskreech tries to weigh GNOME and choice on the scales
[00:35] <Daskreech> Hmm doesn't seem to be equivalent
[00:35] <jmichaelx> that's for sure, but i won't say wish side is has the most weight :)
[00:36] <jmichaelx> (mostly because it's so obvious)
[00:36] <semitones> i accidentally moved all my panel indicators to the left of the panel
[00:37] <semitones> and in trying to get them back, messed up other stuff
[00:37] <semitones> is there any way I can undo the changes I made in the last 5 minutes
[00:38] <jmichaelx> semitones: i accidentally managed to do something like that once, and it took me a little bit to even realize what i'd done
[00:38] <semitones> yeah i don't know how I did it
[00:38] <semitones> and I remember deleting one of the icons in my indicator panel, but I don't remember which one
[00:41] <Daskreech> semitones: might just reset the plasma panele
[00:41] <semitones> how?
[00:44]  * jmichaelx also once wound up with two panels in the same place, and could not figure out what was wrong for several minutes
[00:45] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: Yeah I had them one on top of the other
[00:45] <Daskreech> semitones: easy way is kill your plasmarc easier way is remove all your panels and add them back
[00:46] <semitones> I figured it out -- this time. next time I might just do that
[00:48] <Daskreech> semitones: whoo What was it?
[00:48] <semitones> i had deleted the window manager withoug realizing it
[00:49] <semitones> without that taking up space, all my icons and indicators slid all the way to the left
[00:49] <semitones> I didn't realize why that was happening
[00:51] <markit> btw, I've created a usb stick with a kubuntu 11.04 installation, but if I boot from a netbook, it uses the "netbook interface", where can I set it to use the classic one?
[00:51] <jmichaelx> you mean you deleted your 'task manager', but yeam that would do it
[00:56] <markit> found
[00:58] <jmichaelx> finding what you want in the plasma widget selector widget (whatever it's called) is not always easy, since many of them have worthless/confusing labels
[00:58] <smiffel> some gtk apps in kde dont use the selected widget/style, they use gtk default. Others use gtk-oxygen. ideas?
[00:58] <jmichaelx> smiffel: gtk2 apps are following your settings, gtk3 apps are not
[00:59] <jmichaelx> smiffel: that also puzzled me at first
[00:59] <smiffel> bad because evolution looks ugly :(
[01:00] <jmichaelx> smiffel: there may be something that can be done about that, but i am not sure what
[01:00] <smiffel> in mandriva it worked well
[01:02] <smiffel> another flaw, when i install google earth, there is no icon in the menu
[01:02] <jmichaelx> smiffel: probably only because the version of mandriva you were using did not yet incorporate any gtk3 apps
[01:03] <smiffel> jmichaelx: perhaps, 2010.2 didnt want to use 2011.0
[01:04] <jmichaelx> smiffel: that issue was not present in the previous version of kubuntu, either
[01:05] <smiffel> correct, I use 10.04 on my Laptop, everything fine
[01:07] <smiffel> any way to manually change single icons like in earlier times?
[01:10] <jmichaelx> smiffel: yea, that has not changed, as far as i know
[01:11] <smiffel> i can't right click icon and change it on the panel
[01:12] <smiffel> i ask because google earth didnt install with icon, at least i dont see an icon
[01:27] <Daskreech> In Unity where is the notification manager?
[01:41] <jmichaelx> the center panel in amarok is using a really small font (in a wikipedia article, for example)... would anyone here know how adjust these fonts?
[01:57] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: MIght be able to stretch it with the size of the area?
[02:10] <phoenix_firebrd> how do i use postgresql as my akonadi backend?
[02:13] <Daskreech> Edit akonadiserverrc I'd guess
[02:15] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: does not seem to work... this font is miniscule
[02:18] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: hmm Boo
[02:19] <SIR_Taco> I know it's Halloween and all...but "Boo" should be "BOO!"
[02:20] <well_laid_lawn> boo
[02:20] <SIR_Taco> no no... "BOO!"
[02:21] <well_laid_lawn> heh
[02:23] <SIR_Taco> If only there were Braaaaaains around here :P
[02:23]  * TheEvilPhoenix drops SIR_Taco into a pit of dead bodies
[02:24] <SIR_Taco> if I were a zombie... that would be good :)
[02:32] <TheEvilPhoenix> SIR_Taco:  i'm disposing of zombies
[02:32] <TheEvilPhoenix> zombies are technically dead
[02:32] <TheEvilPhoenix> so...
[02:32]  * TheEvilPhoenix lowers in the nuclear explosive device
[02:32] <TheEvilPhoenix> lol no i kid
[02:32] <TheEvilPhoenix> but seriously, that would end a zombie invasion
[02:32] <TheEvilPhoenix> s/invasion/apocalypse/
[02:33] <SIR_Taco> I live 200 kms from a nuclear power plant... you think that might be the cause?! haha
[02:33] <TheEvilPhoenix> nuclear power plant != thermonuclear explosion
[02:34] <SIR_Taco> ah, but what if it was just a goverment cover story that it was a nuclear power plant and it really wasnt?
[02:35] <Daskreech> TheEvilPhoenix: You would be a great defense general
[02:35] <Daskreech> We are under attack!
[02:35] <TheEvilPhoenix> Daskreech:  no i wouldnt.  give me a nuke, and everyone dies.
[02:35] <Daskreech>  Well kill everyoen on our side. Lets see how they will start a war then!
[02:35] <TheEvilPhoenix> just out of my paranoia
[02:35] <TheEvilPhoenix> :P
[02:36]  * TheEvilPhoenix believes there are terrorists around every corner
[02:36] <TheEvilPhoenix> anyways...
[02:36] <SIR_Taco> The zombie hockey stick weilding Canadians are coming.... you've been warned...
[02:36] <TheEvilPhoenix> !offtopic | TheEvilPhoenix
[02:36] <TheEvilPhoenix> no
[02:36] <TheEvilPhoenix> :P
[02:36] <TheEvilPhoenix> umode +g for the win
[02:37] <SIR_Taco> yea sorry... this has been way off topic haha
[02:57] <semitones> of the top of y'all's heads, what are the main shortcuts that use the super key?
[03:07] <Daskreech> semitones: in KDE?
[03:08] <Daskreech> Umm
[03:08] <Daskreech> Super+Q ?
[03:28] <semitones> Daskreech: what does it do?
[03:28] <Daskreech> semitones: manages Activities
[03:28] <semitones> what is this activity business?
[03:30] <Daskreech> it's like a collection of settings and applications that are kept together
[03:31] <Daskreech> so if you are doing photo work you can set up your Desktop to have Folderviews for your Photos Directories and it opens Digikam and GIMP
[03:31] <Daskreech> Then any time you want to work on your photos you jsut start the Photo Activity and you have all your things setup
[03:31] <Daskreech> When you are done for the night stop it and those go away
[03:48] <skomorokh> the oneiric dvd's boot menu doesn't have gparted and memtest listed in grub. is there a hidden way to get at them or it really can't book into those tools?
[03:49] <mase_work> skomorokh: was gparted in the previous version of ubuntu's boot menu ?
[03:53] <skomorokh> i have no idea.
[03:53] <skomorokh> installed a while ago
[03:54] <skomorokh> memtest is most important at the moment.. guess i could just burn it but i was pretty sure there'd be a way with this
[03:55] <mase_work> well i thought memtest was available
[03:55] <mase_work> but i've never seen gparted as part of the boot menu
[03:57] <skomorokh> there was a "repair" optiont that wasn't, normal install and advanced install... repair and advanced didn't seem to have a way to load memtest
[04:11] <yuqiqi> 请问怎么安装kubuntu ati驱动
[04:12] <Unit193> !cn | yuqiqi
[04:15] <semitones> what is the system clock called in kubuntu? I just realized it's not on my taskbar anymore
[04:16] <semitones> Daskreech: that's pretty cool about activities -- I'll have to set some up someday
[04:17] <Daskreech> semitones: There are loads of clocks
[04:18] <semitones> what's the default one on the taskbar called? I just want the old one back
[04:18] <Daskreech> semitones: You can filter applets by time so that should be easy to find
[04:18] <semitones> i can see the date and time ones
[04:18] <semitones> but not how to add it to the bar -- dragging does not work. maybe they are only desktop ones
[04:19] <semitones> oh hang on
[04:19] <semitones> i only have to click on it
[04:19] <semitones> man
[04:19] <semitones> i wish this DE behaved consistently :P
[04:21] <mase_work> it will eventually, it's harder to achieve since the people making each plasmoid / program are different
[04:22] <mase_work> it's not like gnome where there is a small tight group of people directing the flow
[04:22] <mase_work> but on the plus side it means you get more powerful features quicker
[04:37] <Daskreech> semitones: Yeah it's fiddly at times :0/
[04:38] <semitones> it is still good though -- i really like how it looks and feels much better than gnome
[04:40] <Daskreech> semitones: quite a bit :)
[07:07] <dijonyummy> i edited an app by right clicking laucher, filled in info for it and saved it in the app launcher menu. but it doesnt show up in the proper group. i later reopen the menu editor and look for it and its not there. i try again and save it but it never really "saves". this is kde in 11.10
[09:12] <cousin_luigi> hello
[09:13] <cousin_luigi> How do you change the kdm background image? Systemsettings says you can't do that when using a theme, but I removed them all.
[09:23] <MondoBizarro> cousin_luigi: I am using the german version, but I think in in english it should be: Systemsettings -> KDM -> General -> Checkbox: using Desgin, or so on..
[09:28] <cousin_luigi> MondoBizarro: great, thank:)
[09:28] <cousin_luigi> thanks*
[09:29] <cousin_luigi> MondoBizarro: what about the background shown right after login?
[09:29] <cousin_luigi> (which, incidentally, is the same picture by default)
[09:36] <MondoBizarro> cousin_luigi: i must search i bit, i believe the login is configured at an other point in systemsettings...
[09:41] <MondoBizarro> cousin_luigi: Systemsettings -> Workspace Appearance -> Spash Screen
[09:42] <cousin_luigi> MondoBizarro: thanks!
[09:46] <jemand> Hi all, after upgrading to Kmail 2 my trash bin has just disapeared. ;-(
[09:46] <jemand> any ideas?
[10:56] <brettw> Hi All.   I just applied some updates and broke kdm.  I do not see KDE as an option. What is it that causes KDM to have KDE or plasma as an option?  I'm on oneiric.
[10:57] <brettw> I do see in muon package manager that kde still seems to be installed.
[11:34] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:40] <Wizard> hi BluesKaj
[11:41] <BluesKaj> hey Wizard
[11:56] <Treibholz> can I synchronize the kde-configuration between computers?
[11:57] <Treibholz> so when configure an option on my workstation, I don't have to do it on my Notebook.
[11:58] <Euathlus> Hi, can i use HDMI on an netbook with Kubuntu?
[11:59] <BluesKaj> Euathlus, I would think so
[12:01] <Euathlus> is kubuntu the best choise for an netbook?
[12:05] <Wizard> Euathlus: I use it on a netbook
[12:05] <Wizard> so far so good
[12:05] <BluesKaj> Euathlus, lots of ppl use kubuntu very successfully on netbooks..."best" is always a matter of taste and preference
[12:05] <Wizard> like Torvalds would say: I realy, realy like it
[12:05] <Wizard> ;P
[12:06] <Wizard> BluesKaj is right
[12:06] <Euathlus> with amd or intel? i wonder who has better linu support intel atom or amd C or E Series
[12:08] <Euathlus> Wizard
[12:08] <Wizard> dunno, both are x86 crap
[13:04] <Guest18424> I have I have a panel I added that seems to pop up where ever it wants to on the desktop when using various applications, or even on restart.
[13:04] <Guest18424> I'm guessing that this isn't normal
[13:40] <phoenix_firebrd> I need to change the akonadi backend from mysql to postgresql
[13:59] <phoenix_firebrd> need a kde frontend to manage postgresql
[14:03] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, do some research , that's rather specialized question . much more than normal
[14:04] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: i am meddling and googling about this for the past 2 days, no progress, i am continuing the search
[14:15] <Torch> phoenix_firebrd: i don't think there's any, at least not anything powerful and mature. personally, i use phppgadmin
[14:16] <phoenix_firebrd> Torch: are you using akonadi?
[14:19] <Torch> phoenix_firebrd: not really. i don't use my KDE desktop for PIM stuff
[14:20] <phoenix_firebrd> Torch: i need it only to backup and restore my kjots notes in a proper way
[14:22] <Torch> phoenix_firebrd: the "proper" way to backup pg databases is documented in their (fine, IMHO) manual
[14:22] <phoenix_firebrd> Torch: postgresql is not working for me right now
[14:23] <phoenix_firebrd> Torch: i am now trying to find the problem in msql restore and backup
[14:23] <Wizard> postgre had some nice ui tool
[14:27] <phoenix_firebrd> Wizard: any kde frontend?
[14:27] <Wizard> it was written with wx
[14:27] <Wizard> also, there was some qt db tool, more for developers, but I think it had support for postgre
[14:29] <Wizard> also, SquirrelSQL is quite nice, I use it daily at work
[14:29] <Wizard> depends what kind of tool you need
[14:33] <phoenix_firebrd> Wizard: i found that there is a bug in the akonadi backup restore tool
[14:34] <Wizard> ah, and you want to dump db?
[14:34] <phoenix_firebrd> Wizard: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=96285
[14:34] <Wizard> ok, I have other problem: I'm looking for Kubuntu for PPC :>
[14:35] <phoenix_firebrd> Wizard: ppc?
[14:35] <TheEvilPhoenix> Wizard:  whats PPC?
[14:35] <TheEvilPhoenix> PowerPC?
[14:35] <Wizard> PowerPC
[14:35] <phoenix_firebrd> ok
[14:35] <TheEvilPhoenix> Wizard:  for future reference, PowerPC is *not* usually abbreviated as PPC
[14:35] <TheEvilPhoenix> its usually called just PowerPC
[14:35] <Wizard> heh
[14:35] <Wizard> strange
[14:36] <Wizard> most of linux distros use ppc abbrevation
[14:37] <Wizard> ah! "More ports (unsupported!)" sounds like I'm home
[14:38] <Wizard> (yes, unsupported is the keyword, scr*w you, Apple!)
[14:41] <Bortune> Need help finding my desktop. My 2 yo decided to punch keys on keyboard and somehow changed my customized desktop to the standard kubuntu 11.04. Ibelieve the old one is still there somewhere, i just can't get to it. I rebooted and it loaded the new(old) desktop but kontact said there is another instance running on another desktop, so..... how do I revert to my custom desktop? thanks
[14:45] <Wizard> Bortune: o_O
[14:45] <Bortune> yea!?!
[14:45] <Wizard> amazing, I don't even have an idea what might have happen
[14:46] <Wizard> maybe you logged in as another user? guest or something?
[14:46] <Bortune> so after rebooting, my firefox windows reloaded. when i clicked them it took me to my old desktop. but when i clicked on quassel, it took me back to the default desktop and I cant find my open firefox anymore
[14:47] <Bortune> same loggin. I am totally confused and puzzled as to how she can find these "shortcuts"!
[14:47] <Wizard> hmm
[14:48] <Wizard> maybe it enabled activities or something
[14:48] <Wizard> does anybody have any idea?
[14:48] <Bortune> obviously there is another desktop instance running, just dont know how to revert to the other one
[14:49] <Bortune> it isnt the virtual desktops. what else could it be?
[14:49] <Wizard> hmm
[14:49] <Wizard> ps ax | grep plasma | grep -v grep | wc -l
[14:49] <Wizard> paste it on console
[14:51] <BluesKaj> Bortune, do you have different widgets activated for different desktops in sys settings>workspce behaviour>virtualdesktops ?
[14:51] <Bortune> BluesKaj: lemmi check
[14:52] <Bortune> BluesKaj: nope
[14:54] <BluesKaj> Bortune, maybe previous sessions were saved and that's what you're seeing when you suse differnt desktops with different apps...just guessing
[14:54] <BluesKaj> suse=use ..oops :)
[14:54] <Bortune> :)
[14:55] <Bortune> i dont Suse!
[14:55] <Bortune> :P
[14:55] <BluesKaj> neither do I
[14:56] <Bortune> the weird thing is, when i clicked on firefox in panel it took me to my old settings, then i came back to IRC and the old desktop is back
[14:56] <Bortune> now the firefox in panel is no longer there, so I think it is another instance, I just dont know how to switch back to it
[14:57] <BluesKaj> yeah , i had that happen along time ago , can't recall what fixed it tho
[15:00] <BluesKaj> Bortune, try desktop settings > layout, right click on the panel
[15:00] <BluesKaj> err the desktop rather
[15:03] <reuabreliz> Hello guys! Can someone help me with the kubuntu installation?
[15:03] <BluesKaj> well, gotta go ...stuff to do
[15:03] <Bortune> BluesKaj: thank you
[15:03] <Bortune> Wizard: can you tell me what that will do?
[15:05] <reuabreliz> I habe problems with kubuntu installation (Write acess errors). Can someone help?
[15:11] <Torch> reuabreliz: probably not until you give more details
[15:30] <Wizard> Bortune: count plasma desktops
[15:30] <Wizard> you're not familiar with bash scripting, right?
[15:35] <Bortune> basic knowledge of terminal, thats it Wizard
[15:36] <Wizard> so, ps ax list processes, grep plasma will look for plasma and print lines containing them, grep -v grep will look for grep and remove lines containing it, wc -l will count the lines
[15:37] <Wizard> I just wanted to know if you have only one plasma running
[15:37] <Bortune> ok thanks Wizard. I just found ctrl + f8 can switch back and forth but something is still off
[15:37] <Bortune> let me check
[15:38] <Bortune> Wizard: 2
[15:38] <Wizard> nah
[15:38] <Wizard> should be one :/
[15:38] <Bortune> hmm
[15:38] <Wizard> at least I have one
[15:38] <Bortune> how did this happen? any ideas
[15:38] <Wizard> ps ax | grep plasma
[15:39] <Wizard> paste this somewhere
[15:39] <Bortune> AHHA, I have an extra activity, think that might be the problem
[15:41] <Bortune> I know nothing about activities
[15:41] <Bortune> but meta+q allows me to switch between the two
[15:42] <Bortune> Wizard: thank you for your time. meta+tab is my saving grace
[15:43] <Wizard> I don't use activities at all
[15:43] <Wizard> but that was my first guess ;)
[15:43] <Wizard> iirc
[15:43] <Bortune> me either! but apparently my daughter likes them :)
[15:43] <Wizard> :D
[16:07] <BarkingFish> Guys, I think we have a problem.
[16:07] <BarkingFish> I just checked apper to see if I had any updates, and under the legacy section it mentions python-gobject2, which is deprecated
[16:08] <BarkingFish> So since it's deprecated, i went to remove it, and it wanted to take another 14 packages with it, including apper itself :)
[16:15] <Wizard> BarkingFish: so, what does that mean?
[16:15] <Wizard> and what apper is?
[16:15] <BarkingFish> apper is what replaced kpackagekit in the new version of Kubuntu, Wizard
[16:15] <krZy> hi.. i just installed oneiric kubuntu, now i need to use my android phone's usb tethering with it I have just no way of getting this to work. Need help.
[16:16] <BarkingFish> and what it means is, we have a package which sudo apt-get autoremove will take off, but it will also require other packages which we NEED to go at the same time
[16:19] <Wizard> nah, does autoremove get rid of deprecated packages?
[16:19] <yofel> BarkingFish: here apper does not depend on python-gobject
[16:19] <Wizard> strange
[16:19] <BarkingFish> yofel: Well if I try and take the legacy package off, apper tries to remove itself too
[16:20] <yofel> why is it legacy btw. ?
[16:20] <BarkingFish> no idea
[16:21] <Wizard> I don't see any apper installed o_O
[16:21] <yofel> Wizard: not installed by default
[16:21] <BarkingFish> if you open apper, and go to the legacy section, it's in there - python-gobject-2: deprecated static Python bindings for the GObject library
[16:21] <Wizard> ah
[16:21]  * yofel goes installing apper
[16:24] <Wizard> can Google Docs open iWork files?
[16:24] <BarkingFish> but if you click to remove it, and then apply your pending changes, it comes up with this, yofel:
[16:24] <BarkingFish> http://i42.tinypic.com/hrla9w.jpg
[16:24] <yofel> BarkingFish: ah, legacy is what dpkg calls oldlibs - just because they're old doesn't mean nothing uses them
[16:24] <BarkingFish> ah
[16:24] <Quintasan> Wizard: How would we know? Ask google support :P
[16:25] <Wizard> Quintasan: very funny
[16:25] <Wizard> your answers are allways pretty useful ;P
[16:25] <Quintasan> I suggest that you try it and report a bug to Google if you belive it's needed
[16:25] <BarkingFish> yofel - i was confused because of people calling Kpackagekit "legacy" when i was asking about resurrecting it a while ago - it gave me the impression that legacy = deprecated = not used anymore
[16:27] <yofel> you're not supposed to use it anymore, but you 'can'
[16:27] <yofel> and they're used by packages that simply weren't updated to not use them
[16:28] <yofel> obsolete would probably be a better name for kpackagekit
[16:29] <BarkingFish> i've always had the same complaint with terminology, yofel - it helps if everyone uses the same words to mean the same things :)
[16:29] <genii-around> !info mol
[16:29] <genii-around> Hm
[16:29] <BarkingFish> to me, legacy means "in the past, old, antiquated" - obsolete means "dead, history, gone, never coming back"
[16:30]  * yofel agrees
[17:07] <SaEeDIRHA> hello, i am new to kubuntu, can you tell me how can i add My Computer and trash bin icon on desktop?
[17:11] <mfraz74> Waste bin - click on the icon in the top right corner, select add widgets and then drag the waste bin icon to wherever you want it
[17:12] <SaEeDIRHA> mfraz74, how about "My Computer" icon ?
[17:12] <mfraz74> where do you want the "my computer" icon to point to?
[17:12] <SaEeDIRHA> since its weird  that in kubuntu , the desktop is the home folder but not desktop folder
[17:13] <SaEeDIRHA> /home/saeed/
[17:14] <rork> SaEeDIRHA: go to the menu, drag "Dolphin" to the desktop, rename it to "My computer"
[17:15] <SaEeDIRHA> also the icons are too big , is there any way to make them smaller ?
[17:16] <yofel> SaEeDIRHA: what do you mean by 'that in kubuntu, the desktop is the said folder but not desktop folder' ? By default the KDE desktop is a set of widgets - not any folder
[17:17] <mfraz74> are you using the desktop view or folder view?
[17:18] <SaEeDIRHA> mfraz74, yofel , i have changed the folder view to specific folder and , my desktop view shows items in my desktop folder
[17:19] <yofel> so it's now set to what you want?
[17:19] <mfraz74> SaEeDIRHA: if you right click and select folder view settings, there is a slider where you can change the icon view
[17:20] <SaEeDIRHA> mfraz74, i used to work with ubuntu in gnome desktop, KDE is way different :D feel like i am lost :D
[17:21] <mfraz74> SaEeDIRHA: I'm the other way round - I've always used KDE since moving over to Linux, Gnome seemed odd to me
[17:22] <SaEeDIRHA> mfraz74, i have been learning to Qt programming these days , thats why i decided to migrate to KDE desktop :)
[17:22] <SaEeDIRHA> and please excuse me if i ask very naive questions
[17:23] <SaEeDIRHA> learning C++ Qt*
[17:23] <yofel> you're not the only one - so don't worry about that :)
[17:24] <SaEeDIRHA> still cannot find how to change icons size , they are too big on my desktop
[17:24] <mfraz74> have you gone to the settings window?
[17:25] <SaEeDIRHA> and what is that + sing on files when you move your cursor over them ?
[17:25] <SaEeDIRHA> mfraz74, where is that ?
[17:25] <SaEeDIRHA> mfraz74, Folder view settings ?
[17:25] <SaEeDIRHA> mfraz74, ok got it , tnx :)
[17:27] <SaEeDIRHA> what is that + sign over files when you move the mouse cursor over them ?
[17:28] <yofel> SaEeDIRHA: select the file - you'll notice it's marked when you click on the +, and the + changes into a -
[17:29] <SaEeDIRHA> yofel, correct , but what is that for ?
[17:29] <yofel> selecting files? Like you would do by single-clicking on them in gnome
[17:29] <yofel> as single-click in kde will OPEN the file
[17:30] <SaEeDIRHA> yofel, ahhh , i see :)
[17:30] <yofel> by default at lesat
[17:30] <yofel> *least
[17:31] <SaEeDIRHA> i managed to resize icons for files , but i the icon for waste bin which is a widget doesnt change
[17:31] <SaEeDIRHA> its still too big
[17:32] <yofel> SaEeDIRHA: go onto the widget, a small panel will slide out - dragging the topmost button  will change the widget size
[17:34] <SaEeDIRHA> yofel, i can click on it , but it doesnt change any thing , when i drag it and move the mouse nothing happens either
[17:35] <yofel> meh, you can make that widget only larger, not smaller for some reason...
[17:35] <SaEeDIRHA> yofel, i see
[17:36] <SaEeDIRHA> thank you
[17:43] <SaEeDIRHA> how is it possible to add network location to Dolphin sidebar when they are mounted ?
[17:44] <SaEeDIRHA> this automatically happens when you mount network drives to /media/ location
[17:49] <skomorokh> anyone know a good guide to installing oneiric with dmcrypt?
[18:36] <serenity> hi there
[18:37] <serenity> on certain websites firefox causes Xorg to eat up 100% of my cpu. This also happens with a add-ons disabled
[18:37] <serenity> *all
[18:46] <genii-around> serenity: Do you have the Adobe flash plugin, or one of the free ones?
[18:47] <serenity> genii-around: these pages are non-flash
[18:48] <genii-around> serenity: Ah. Often Adobe's npviewer.bin occupies the cpu. Are you certain there are no ads on the pages which are using it?
[18:49] <genii-around> ( the top command would show npviewer.bin as using a lot of resources )
[18:49] <alessagiar> ciao...
[18:49] <serenity> genii-around: i am. One of this pages is my owncloud installation ;)
[18:51] <rork> ciao alessagiar, do you need help in italian?
[18:55] <genii-around> serenity: If you go to Tools...Add-Ons... Plugins .... you can selectively disable those as well, then to try refreshing the page and see if one of those is the issue
[19:00] <serenity> genii-around: no change
[19:08] <genii-around> serenity: Which video driver does your (k)ubuntu use?
[19:12] <serenity> genii-around: nvidia prop.
[19:13] <incorrect> would i find kde4 too heavy on my 1gb atom netbook?
[19:13] <serenity> test it, in oneiric there is a package called kubuntu-low-fat-settings which reduces the cpu/ram usage
[19:14] <serenity> genii-around: 173.14.30
[19:14] <incorrect> i think i should upgrade to 2gb
[19:15] <genii-around> serenity: Have you considered replacing it with nvidia-current ?
[19:15] <serenity> genii-around: this is the version which was installed via nvidia-current
[19:15] <genii-around> Hm
[19:15] <genii-around> !info nvidia-current
[19:16] <serenity> oh
[19:16] <serenity> i might be wrong
[19:16] <serenity> *installing*
[19:17] <incorrect> should i install kubuntu-full or -netbook?
[19:19] <incorrect> oh i will just do full
[19:20] <lnostdal> hum, slightly annoying how some trivial conflicts in the libreoffice ppa can "lock out" the user from updating the rest of his system
[19:20] <lnostdal> ( http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3119100.0 )
[19:20] <genii-around> incorrect: You can always add the netbook desktop layout later by installing plasma-netbook
[19:20] <incorrect> thanks
[19:21] <genii-around> lnostdal: Yes, you should give the owner or team responsible for the PPA proper heck
[19:24] <incorrect> i've not tried kde4 since 4.0
[19:27] <serenity> incorrect: a lot happend, believe me
[19:30] <NJL> how can I make more than one VPN connection show up on the left (connected side) of the widget when they're connected with the networkmanager
[19:48] <Daskreech> Whoohoo! Equalizer in Dragon Player :)
[20:28] <incorrect> how do i enable the low-fat mode?
[20:31] <claydoh> incorrect: install the package kubuntu-low-fat-settings but it will change the look and feel a bit as well as turn off the autostart of a number of potentially useful things
[20:31] <claydoh> but if you havea low spec or really old system it is good
[20:32] <claydoh> if you dont like, just uninstall it and reboot
[20:33] <incorrect> well i will go back to xubuntu
[20:33] <incorrect> shame it is so heavy
[20:37] <oriol> hola?
[20:37] <oriol> owo
[20:38] <oriol> hello?
[20:40] <oriol> hello?
[20:52] <Jilly> anyone know how to run muon as root?  It's in the kde menus....it wants to install updates...but it never asks for my password and then complains that it can't update.
[20:54] <lethu> Jilly, try $ sudo muon
[20:54] <Jilly> lethu, ok...I guess I'll just try that.
[20:56] <m0llusk> muon should automatically pop up a password panel and authorize itself--it sounds like something is going wrong
[20:57] <Jilly> m0llusk, that's what I figured.
[20:58] <Jilly> when I try to sudo muon, it says kdecache-ariel is owned by uid 1001 instead of uid 0.
[21:07] <yofel> Jilly: check if polkit-kde-1 is installed
[21:07] <yofel> bah, just missed him
[21:16] <dijonyummy> i edited an app by right clicking laucher, filled in info for it and saved it in the app launcher menu. but it doesnt show up in the proper group. i later reopen the menu editor and look for it and its not there. i try again and save it but it never really "saves". this is kde in 11.10
[21:40] <natman> hi, I just checked to see if there are any updates to get, it told me 80 are availible!! i had a look, most of them are just stuff i dont have installed to start with, eg. abiword, 3d chess, adept....etc
[21:40] <natman> why are these on my update list?
[21:45] <natman> ok maybe my mistake, I just checked again, its not 80 and they are normal, it was Muon giving me a weird list - mmmm im still not in love with Muon!! :(
[21:54] <Gimpster1991> hello?
[21:55] <Gimpster1991> this is my first time using irc is there anyone outthere to show me the ropes?
[21:57] <natman> hi Gimpster1991
[21:57] <Gimpster1991> Hi!
[21:57] <natman> how are you? i take it your using Kubuntu? hows it running for you?
[21:58] <Gimpster1991> Love it! the gui is way sexier than ubuntu... :)
[21:58] <natman> btw to highlight a message, just type the users name, ( first few letters, then "tab" will auto fill the name
[21:58] <natman> wanna give it a try?
[21:58] <Gimpster1991> sure
[21:59] <Gimpster1991> natman: ohh thats cool
[21:59] <natman> lol awesome! and yes much sexier!
[21:59] <natman> afraid, you have seen the extend of my IRC knowledge :D
[22:00] <Gimpster1991> natman: havent been on the linux side for very long work intales being with :(( windows
[22:00] <Gimpster1991> natman: just got 11.10 loaded last night
[22:00] <natman> ahh im the same, its all outlook and other crap, my laptop at home is pure Tux :)
[22:01] <natman> 11.10 is nice! i really like it so far, but Muon the package manager is giving some small issues, doesnt tell me when there is an update availible
[22:01] <Gimpster1991> natman: nice! i have a netbook with win7, winxp, and ubuntu but i think i will change it to kubuntu
[22:01] <Gimpster1991> hmmm
[22:02] <Gimpster1991> natman: i had trouble upgrading to 11.10
[22:02] <natman> ya, i used to run but U and Kubuntu, was way to confusing, so i stepped over to KDE and never looked back
[22:02] <Gimpster1991> natman: but so far no issues
[22:02] <Gimpster1991> natman: ?? stepped over? KDE?
[22:03] <natman> aww sorry to hear, i think a fresh install is always safer, but it means more reinstalling
[22:03] <Gimpster1991> natman: help!  LOL
[22:03] <natman> ahh just mean i stepped over to the KDE camp, i.e i like KDE
[22:03] <Gimpster1991> natman: true but sometimes no alt
[22:04] <Gimpster1991> natman: i have no exp with KDE only bn using for a week or less
[22:04] <natman> cool, working ok so far?
[22:05] <Gimpster1991> natman: yes, I am in school for CIS but mostly win stuff, really want to learn more about this!
[22:05] <natman> whats CIS?
[22:06] <Gimpster1991> natman: sorry Comupter Info Sys
[22:06] <natman> btw since it seems to be only us, there is no need to highligh - but its up to you
[22:06] <natman> ahh cool,
[22:06] <Gimpster1991> cool with me  LOL
[22:07] <Gimpster1991> ive never been on an IRC b4
[22:07] <natman> i work in a university, so lots of academic stuff is linux based
[22:07] <natman> your fine
[22:07] <Gimpster1991> tried on windows but didnt wanna pay $50
[22:07] <Gimpster1991> do you mind if I ask what university?
[22:07] <natman> lol, use KIRC, its free opensource one for windows :D
[22:08] <natman> there is always an open source option!
[22:08] <Gimpster1991> :) i think i will stay here LOL
[22:08] <Gimpster1991> yes this is true
[22:08] <natman> sorry its called " kvirc"
[22:08] <Gimpster1991> we were talking in class about how opensource is becoming more popular than not
[22:09] <natman> ya, but its weird, linux is still only like 1% of the pc market :( its very popular for everything else
[22:10] <Gimpster1991> yea win still has the nitch for people that arnt good with computers
[22:10] <natman> its a pity, certains thins in windows are nicer, eg firefox does look pretty!
[22:11] <Gimpster1991> LOL well IE9 is a remake of FireFox! the gui is almost the exact same
[22:11] <natman> lol
[22:12] <Gimpster1991> and from what I have seen about Win8 its geared more for touchscreen computers
[22:12] <natman> but must admit, im still a dual boot laptop, i find the hdmi out works perfect in win, not so much in linux
[22:12] <Gimpster1991> hmmmm dont have a puter with hdmi  LOL
[22:13] <mas> i saw the same with win8 , great for touch screens and tablets
[22:13] <natman> yup were all tablet crazy these days i guess - ill wait till its a flexible e ink screen!
[22:13] <natman> hi mas
[22:13] <Gimpster1991> LOL
[22:13] <mas> hey natman
[22:13] <Gimpster1991> hi mas
[22:14] <Gimpster1991> well as long as there are win pc about I will have job security LOL
[22:14] <mas> hey Gimpster1991
[22:15] <Gimpster1991> hello
[22:15] <natman> :) well i dont think you have anything to worry about in the near term, i will admit Win 7 is quite good, but still prefer KDE
[22:16] <Gimpster1991> yes I agree
[22:16] <Gimpster1991> I still like and use XP but win7 has about 3 more features I like
[22:16] <Gimpster1991> and I am feeling the conversion to KDE..... LOL
[22:16] <natman> lol
[22:17] <Gimpster1991> I just need to get used to the commands
[22:17] <natman> like terminal commands?
[22:17] <Gimpster1991> yea
[22:17] <Gimpster1991> they are a bit diff than dos
[22:18] <natman> well i use http://www.amazon.co.uk/Linux-Phrasebook-Scott-Granneman/dp/0672328380/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1320185901&sr=8-1
[22:18] <natman> i really find it handy and easy to follow, lots of simple examples
[22:19] <Gimpster1991> sweet! thank you
[22:19] <natman> well its tea+toast time!!, been nice chatting, have fun with Kubuntu!!
[22:19] <natman> maybe chat again, cya
[22:20] <natman> night
[22:20] <Gimpster1991> laters
[22:30] <mas> bye ya
[23:11] <IEatKawFish> Is there a way to mute my laptop speaker while leaving the headphones untouched?