[01:57] <khoover> DarwinSurvivor, why would it? only affecting this bloody thing.
[02:00]  * FiReSTaRT trying to start a geek-fight and learn a bit from it.. here's the cause:
[02:00] <FiReSTaRT> Unity 11.10 or Gnome 3.2?
[03:29] <DarwinSurvivor> khoover: did you have any other machines using wireless?
[03:30] <DarwinSurvivor> FiReSTaRT: Using gnome-shell here, but it's kind of glitchy (refresh stuff)
[07:01] <FiReSTaRT> thanks DarwinSurvivor.. i am almost tempted to give kde another shot.. but first.. sleep.. good night :)
[10:53] <khoover> DarwinSurvivor, yeah, they all seem to run fine
[10:54] <DarwinSurvivor> khoover: hmm. good for now, but things "fixing themselves" always make me nervous...
[10:56] <khoover> DarwinSurvivor, they're all windows boxes, and it's just this one ubuntu computer that's haywire. installed ubuntu as soon as i got it
[11:08] <DarwinSurvivor> well, there's not much you can do about it unless you can get the problem to come up again.
[11:34] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[16:21] <TheProf> Hello.  I hope everyone is well.  I need some help please with remote access for Ubuntu. I'm running 10.04 and the remote desktop manager says remote access can only be given from localhost.
[16:21] <TheProf> How can I access it from another Ubuntu machine on the same LAN?
[16:44] <dscassel> TheProf: What protocol? VNC?
[16:45] <Ve2dmn> The remote access client is VNC
[16:47] <dscassel> TheProf: If you're dealing with Windows, you need something that supports RDP. In 11.04, your best choice is probably a package called gnome-rdp.
[16:48] <dscassel> (gnome-rdp went away in 11.10 for some reason.  So I've switched to a new thing called Remmina).
[16:48] <TheProf> Thanks for responding. Is this on the server I'm trying to access?
[16:48] <TheProf> better description: trying to access my laptop from my desktop.
[16:49] <TheProf> Both Ubuntu 10.04.  I've been able to access other machines from the desktop no problem, just not this laptop.
[16:51] <dscassel> TheProf: You've turned on remote desktop sharing from the laptop?  In Remote Desktop Preferences?
[16:51] <Ve2dmn> Did you enable the Remote desktop feature and did you check "ask for permission?
[16:51] <TheProf> In the remote desktop preferences I see it only allows connections from localhost
[16:52] <Ve2dmn> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/share-your-ubuntu-desktop-using-remote-desktop.html
[16:53] <Ve2dmn> That article was written in Dec 2006, but the basic concept is still valid :)
[16:55] <TheProf> Ve2dmn, Checking it now
[16:58] <TheProf> OK that is fairly straightforward.
[16:58] <TheProf> I have done it before successfully on other machines.  The issue here is that it is rejecting the request.
[16:58] <TheProf> I'm not sure if it's a firewall issue or something else.
[16:58] <TheProf> Since it is indicating that it will only allow localhost connections.
[17:00] <TheProf> vncviewer from another machine is also showing the error 'connection refused'
[17:03] <TheProf> Ve2dmn, in that same article you sent me, there is an image under the heading 'For Security' -- in it there is a blue link 'vncviewer Ubuntu-desktop:0' - on mine it says localhost
[17:27] <Ve2dmn> Do you know what "localhost" means?
[17:27] <TheProf> Ve2dmn, I do yes.  It is basically telling me I can only access it through itself.
[17:28] <TheProf> So therefore it's not reachable via the LAN
[17:28] <Ve2dmn> what did you used as a command on your desktop?
[17:29] <TheProf> vncviewer 192.168.1.201
[17:29] <TheProf> which is the ping-able address of the laptop
[17:31] <Ve2dmn> Does it say localhost:0 or localhost:1 ?
[17:32] <TheProf> Ve2dmn, Neither actually. Just 'locahost'
[17:32] <Ve2dmn> and if you list process on the laptop is there any "vncserver" or anything similar?
[17:35] <TheProf> Ve2dmn, I'll check now
[17:35] <Ve2dmn> do a 'sudo netstat -anp'
[17:36] <TheProf> a 'ps aux | grep vnc' shows me nothing.
[17:36] <TheProf> I'll try netstat now
[17:36] <Ve2dmn> actually, more like a 'sudo netstat -anp | grep 590'
[17:38] <TheProf> Ve2dmn, nothing for port 590
[17:38] <Ve2dmn> netstat -anp:
[17:38] <Ve2dmn> a for all
[17:38] <Ve2dmn> n for numeric ports
[17:38] <Ve2dmn> p for 'list process'
[17:38] <Ve2dmn> and you're looking for port 5900
[17:38] <TheProf> Ve2dmn, nothing for port 5900 either
[17:38] <TheProf> could it be the actual server is not installed?
[17:38] <TheProf> I thought it was by default.
[17:38] <Ve2dmn> it's not starting, that's for sure
[17:39] <Ve2dmn> log-off and re-login just to be sure
[17:39] <Ve2dmn> (on the laptop)
[17:39] <willwh> hi guys :))
[17:39] <willwh> you're trying to connect between ubuntu machines?
[17:40] <TheProf> Yes I am.
[17:40] <TheProf> Just logging in again.
[17:40] <Ve2dmn> yeah, but his vncserver (the ubuntu remote desktop) is not starting
[17:41] <Ve2dmn> found something online (in a forum):
[17:41] <Ve2dmn> "
[17:41] <Ve2dmn> I had this problem on my wife's laptop. Drove me batty for hours. In the  end it turned out I didn't have the remote desktop service starting at  boot.
[17:41] <Ve2dmn> I pulled up the start up apps menu and clicked the box to allow remote desktop to start at boot.
[17:41] <Ve2dmn> "
[17:41] <willwh> sounds about right.
[17:43] <TheProf> Isn't that the remote desktop manager?
[17:44] <TheProf> What's the specific name of the service? I'll check with chkconfig to see if the service is set to launch.
[17:44] <Ve2dmn> probably something related to 'vnc' or 'vino'. Can't remember which one...
[17:45] <TheProf> Vino
[17:45] <TheProf> just found it using apt - that's the one installed
[17:45] <TheProf> No service listing for vino
[17:46] <willwh> is it started?
[17:46] <Ve2dmn> it should be started at logon, not boot
[17:47] <willwh> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/share-your-ubuntu-desktop-using-remote-desktop.html
[17:47] <willwh> just to be sure
[17:48] <Ve2dmn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC/Servers
[17:48] <TheProf> willwh, same link Ve2dmn gave me a bit earlier :)
[17:48] <Ve2dmn> in the vino section
[17:48] <willwh> ah ok
[17:49] <Ve2dmn> try 'netstat -anp | grep vino'
[17:49] <TheProf> Ve2dmn,  Eww...you've got to use gconftool to activate remote access according to that wiki
[17:50] <Ve2dmn> sadly, that might be your only choise
[17:50] <TheProf> Ve2dmn, netstat vino shows 8 options, none of the the port we need
[17:55] <TheProf> Argh.
[17:55] <TheProf> gconfigtool did not work.
[17:56] <TheProf> iptables --list shows everything being accepted
[17:57] <Ve2dmn> 'netstat -anp | grep vino'
[17:57] <Ve2dmn> sudo that command, sorry
[17:58] <TheProf> Ve2dmn, Yup - 8 entries.
[17:58] <TheProf> But not for port 5900
[18:00] <TheProf> Bingo!
[18:00] <TheProf> Some progress.
[18:00] <TheProf> I had to manually run the vino-server
[18:00] <TheProf> /usr/lib/vino/vino-server
[18:01] <TheProf> then the remote desktop preferences showed that I can access it using the IP of the laptop
[18:01] <Ve2dmn> thus, it should be started at log-on
[18:01] <TheProf> ...and I was able to access it from the desktop.  Well that was horrible.
[18:02] <TheProf> Ve2dmn, right.
[18:02] <TheProf> But it doesn't seem to be.  What's the best way to run that command each time on login?
[18:02] <Ve2dmn> Not sure what is wrong then... sorry
[18:03] <TheProf> Ve2dmn, essentially it's not autostarting.  Which is fine as I can start it manually for now.  Is there a recommended way to have a program automatically start?
[18:04] <Ve2dmn> http://jakeyoon.com/2008/11/19/enable-vino-vnc-server-for-login-manager-gdm-in-ubuntu/ ?
[18:05] <TheProf> Ve2dmn, great.  Thanks very much for all your help!
[18:06] <Ve2dmn> Thank my boss for not giving me a hard time doing this at work...
[18:06] <TheProf> My thanks to your boss also!
[18:08] <dscassel> Thanks from me too, Ve2dmn :)
[18:09] <Ve2dmn> bah... I sort of do this for a living....
[18:10] <TheProf> I am a biology person so I don't at all.
[21:11] <tboy9999> Good afternoon!
[21:12] <tboy9999> has anyone tried accessing this channel from an iPad with an IRC client?
[21:15] <willwh> tboy9999: iSSH is your friend :P
[21:16] <willwh> I run screen & irssi on my server - and simply connect to it using iSSH :)
[21:16] <willwh> on ipod, ipad, iphone etc
[21:16] <willwh> I don't see why what kind of device you are using has ANYTHING to do with it
[21:16] <willwh> the only thing that matters is your IRC client works ;
[21:17] <tboy9999> What about Colloquy
[21:19] <tboy9999> Looked up iSSH - thanks!  looks good
[21:23] <willwh> uh
[21:23] <willwh> uh oh
[23:41] <BobJonkman> 20 minutes to the  IRC meeting.
[23:41] <BobJonkman> Can /you/ hold your breath that long?
[23:50] <dscassel> Uh... no.
[23:50]  * BobJonkman is in Kwartzlab for the Ubuntu-ca IRC
[23:50]  * BobJonkman forgot to bring the 11.04 Ubuntu disks again...
[23:52] <BobJonkman> Q: Who distributes the System76 Ubuntu stickers?
[23:52] <dscassel> Oh, yeah. I've got 11.10 CDs at home.  Need to bring those to the Hour on Friday.
[23:52] <dscassel> BobJonkman: Me. :D
[23:52] <dscassel> Hakimsherriff should have some too.
[23:55] <BobJonkman> Five minutes...