[04:02] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Laura Czajkowski] UDS-P Day 1 - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/11/01/uds-p-day-1/
[08:52] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:52] <Myrtti> moin
[08:57] <NET||abuse> hey guys.. ubuntu 11.10, can't find padevchooser
[08:57] <NET||abuse> doesn't seem to be in repos
[08:57] <NET||abuse> anyone know if it's been bundled into something else?
[08:58] <NET||abuse> online manpages seems to think it should exist under oneiric
[08:58] <NET||abuse> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/oneiric/man1/padevchooser.1.html
[08:58] <NET||abuse> but it's not showing up for me
[08:58] <MooDoo> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+package/padevchooser
[08:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> info !padevchooser
[08:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> !info padevchooser
[08:58] <lubotu3`> padevchooser (source: padevchooser): PulseAudio Device Chooser. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.3-2ubuntu4 (natty), package size 19 kB, installed size 132 kB
[08:59] <NET||abuse> maybe my sources aren't fully setup?
[08:59] <NET||abuse> nope, seems i have universe and multiverse
[08:59] <NET||abuse> but that's a natty entry
[09:05] <DJones> NET||abuse: Doesn't show up at all in a packages search for 11.10
[09:06] <DJones> NET||abuse: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/padevchooser/+bug/851695
[09:06] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 851695 in padevchooser (Ubuntu) "padevchooser is missing in Ubuntu 11.10" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[09:06] <DJones> NET||abuse: It was unmaintained and has been replaced by pavucontrol
[09:07] <DJones> But then people have commented that its not a full replacement and the bug seems to be open and confirmed now
[09:12] <NET||abuse> hmm, so can i stream my music from my no-speaker desktop to my laptop headphones easily wit pavucontrol?
[09:14] <NET||abuse> seems not
[09:16] <DJones> Looks like you'll have to keep an eye on that bug
[09:18] <bigcalm> Hiya peeps :)
[09:20] <AlanBell> !info gedit
[09:21] <lubotu3`> gedit (source: gedit): official text editor of the GNOME desktop environment. In component main, is optional. Version 2.30.4-2ubuntu1 (natty), package size 515 kB, installed size 1860 kB
[09:21] <AlanBell> hmm, bot thinks it should be returning natty info
[09:22] <NET||abuse> AlanBell: no, just the last change to the package was in May for natty
[09:22] <NET||abuse> well, possibly it just has that as the last record?
[09:22] <NET||abuse> !info subversion
[09:22] <lubotu3`> subversion (source: subversion): Advanced version control system. In component main, is optional. Version 1.6.12dfsg-4ubuntu2.1 (natty), package size 275 kB, installed size 1148 kB
[09:22] <ali1234> this happens every time
[09:22] <NET||abuse> or not,, :)
[09:22] <AlanBell> NET||abuse: yeah, separate issue, the bot should be pointing at oneiric
[09:22] <NET||abuse> gotcha, i see now
[09:22] <ali1234> if you go into #ubuntu+1 you get oneiric packages
[09:22] <ali1234> at least you would do if it was open
[09:23] <AlanBell> the lubottus have not been updated, will get that sorted
[09:23] <AlanBell> ubottu has been, someone forgot the loco bots
[09:23] <DJones> AlanBell: I thought +1 had been left open this time
[09:23] <AlanBell> +1 should be looking at precise now
[09:24] <DJones> I guess it should be
[09:24] <AlanBell> normally they just redirect to #ubuntu for a week or so to clear out people just interested in betas
[09:25] <AlanBell> then open up for alpha level breakages
[09:26] <Twinkletoes> When using dpkg to install a .deb downloaded from a vendor (in this case, OpenVPN), and it needs dependencies, can dpkg do this for you or is it a manual install for each one using apt?
[09:30] <awilkins> Twinkletoes, I think you can install it using dpkg, then do an apt-get install -f to fix missing pacakges
[09:30] <dwatkins> apt-get -f install
[09:30] <awilkins> Or that
[09:30] <Twinkletoes> Aha... thank yu - sounds like a good idea
[09:30] <Twinkletoes> I know what you mean
[09:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hmm - My google reader seems to have lost it's tags
[09:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> s/its
[09:40] <daubers> Morning
[09:43]  * smittix is getting frustrated
[09:43] <smittix> Can't even create a button with quickly-create
[09:43] <smittix> heh
[09:45] <mattt> morning morning
[09:45] <MooDoo> morning
[09:47] <daubers> smittix: Using quickly design?
[09:47] <daubers> Will run up glade for gui editing
[09:48] <smittix> Yeah I have added a button its the coding side of things
[09:48] <smittix> Keep getting 'expected handler 'on_button1_clicked'
[09:50] <daubers> So you haven't written an on_button1_clicked method yet?
[09:50] <kirrus> Please tell me I'm not the only one thinking Google broke a perfectly-working reader? :(
[09:51] <MooDoo> kirrus: think TheOpenSourcerer has an issue as well
[09:52] <Myrtti> other than not finding the promised +1 button in the new reader, I don't really have a problem with it
[09:56] <kirrus> I always read full item content, can't find a way to turn it back on
[09:56] <kirrus> At this rate I'm just gunna have to setup a planet..
[09:56] <JamesTait> Goooood mooooorning all! :D
[09:57] <Myrtti> oh man
[09:57] <kirrus> JamesTait: you're rather exuberant this grey morning :)
[09:57] <Myrtti> I'm so demotivated
[09:57] <Myrtti> well, feeling demotivated
[09:58] <smittix> daubers: the code I have written is def on_button1_clicked(self, widget, data=None): print "OPEN"
[09:59] <JamesTait> Myrtti: How come? Would a hug help?
[09:59] <Myrtti> JamesTait: flying from UK to Finland basically just to go say hi to jobcentre ladies and to hear "because Nokia" is a bit demotivating. Also the weather is dull and depressing
[10:00] <daubers> smittix: Can you pastebin that whole file?
[10:00] <smittix> will do
[10:01] <smittix> daubers: http://pastebin.com/di7i1VyM
[10:02] <bigcalm> Read that as "whole file system"
[10:02] <daubers> smittix: It needs to be part of the class (i.e. it needs indenting one more) :)
[10:04] <smittix> daubers: heh thanks.
[10:04] <smittix> What a dumbass.
[10:04] <JamesTait> Myrtti: I also struggle with the weather at this time of the year. It's bright outside at the moment, but I know it's not going to last, which kind of makes it worse.
[10:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> kirrus: http://googlereader.blogspot.com/
[10:05] <JamesTait> Myrtti: But I'm thankful for being a part of such a great community.
[10:06] <smittix> daubers: Can I run bash commands from within python? ie; sed?
[10:08] <daubers> smittix: You'll need to use one of the shell calling things (i.e. os.system)
[10:10] <smittix> daubers: I'll read up on that thanks
[10:10] <BigRedS> hosq
[10:10] <BigRedS> oops
[10:11] <czajkowski> *yawns*
[10:11] <kirrus> BigRedS: so, it's my turn to go to tesco and get coffee then?
[10:11] <czajkowski> with the rate I'm going I'll go back to UK and still wake up at stupid am
[10:12] <tonytiger> hah
[10:12] <tonytiger> nice blog post czajkowski
[10:12]  * MooDoo prods czajkowski wake up
[10:12] <tonytiger> It's been too long since I went to a UDS: I almost wish I was there :)
[10:12] <czajkowski> Myrtti: oi you quit it, Ihhave davmor2 poking and prodding me in RL
[10:12] <czajkowski> tonytiger: cheers tis a handy way of seeint what people do a s well
[10:12] <MooDoo> czajkowski: you mean MooDoo don't you ;)
[10:13] <czajkowski> todays sessions a bit harder not sure what I'll go to
[10:13] <czajkowski> MooDoo: yes you stupid tab complete
[10:13] <czajkowski> Myrtti: hi
[10:13] <bigcalm> Heh, I have a customer ID of 254 on somebody's system. This pleases me in a geeky way
[10:13] <czajkowski> tonytiger: tis ok you still have an action item :)
[10:16] <tonytiger> "great"
[10:18] <czajkowski> tonytiger: no no you need to say Thaaaat's Great like the realy kellogs Tiger
[10:19] <czajkowski> <---- maybe a slightly sleep deprivied
[10:19] <tonytiger> :)
[10:19] <tonytiger> Yeah, you're making more sense than normal
[10:20] <bigcalm> Bwuhaha
[10:20] <czajkowski> :/
[10:20]  * bigcalm hugs czajkowski
[10:20]  * MooDoo hugs bigcalm hugging czajkowski 
[10:21] <czajkowski> we had to explain the concet of poking and prodding and naughty step last night to people
[10:21] <czajkowski> dear gods they think it's entertaining
[10:21] <MooDoo> pmsl
[10:21]  * JamesTait was born on the 255th day of the year (256th in leap years).
[10:22] <bigcalm> Haha
[10:22] <bigcalm> czajkowski: it is :)
[10:22]  * MooDoo was born on the 15 April 1972 as was my wife, son was born 10 09 08 and daughter was born 10 09 11 :)  4 family members 2 birthdays!
[10:23] <bigcalm> MooDoo: and just as expensive
[10:23] <JamesTait> MooDoo: Wow, now that took some planning. :-P
[10:23] <MooDoo> bigcalm: 18th and 21st on same day :)
[10:23] <MooDoo> JamesTait: nah crap telly at christmas ;)
[10:24] <czajkowski> MooDoo: you never have  an excuse that you forgot her bday
[10:24] <JamesTait> MooDoo: More booze too!
[10:24] <MooDoo> czajkowski: i know...
[10:25] <JamesTait> MooDoo: Recently, February has been the time of rubbish TV. Hence my two boys' birthdays are within the same week in November.
[10:25] <MooDoo> hehe
[10:25] <MooDoo> just think it's cool we have birthdays on the same day :)
[10:26] <JamesTait> MooDoo: Extremely cool.
[10:29] <bigcalm> I like to forget my own b'day
[10:29] <MooDoo> bigcalm: i'm forgetting mine next year
[10:29] <JamesTait> bigcalm: At least I have something do deflect the attention every fourth year.  MooDoo has no excuse. ;)
[10:30] <bigcalm> MooDoo: Hayley and I are off to Ireland for her 40th nexy year
[10:30] <bigcalm> Really should save up a little more for it
[10:30] <MooDoo> bigcalm: nice :)
[10:31] <MooDoo> bigcalm: i'm hoping to go see les Mis in london but little un might be a bit too young to leave with people
[10:31] <bigcalm> Aww
[10:31] <czajkowski> bigcalm: what parts?
[10:31] <czajkowski> that has a massive effect on spending
[10:31] <czajkowski> avoidnd dublin gives you more to spend elsewhere
[10:31] <czajkowski> going oto dublin very costly
[10:32] <bigcalm> czajkowski: we still haven't decided fully. Though we both want to see the Giant's Causeway
[10:32] <czajkowski> oh up in NI
[10:32] <MooDoo> i might take bec to dublin for the weekend soon
[10:32] <bigcalm> Yes, but we're not limiting outselves to IRE or NI
[10:34] <bigcalm> czajkowski: I think that the G'sC is the only thing that we've both decided upon so far. Everything else is an option :)
[10:34] <czajkowski> bigcalm: cool, so at present you;'re going to NI not Ire :)
[10:35] <czajkowski> MooDoo: dpending o where you are, you can fly into galway/knock or shannon and see west cost a lot prettier if you want a weekend away and see some sights
[10:35] <smittix> does anyone know how to open the startup applications app from the terminal?
[10:35] <czajkowski> head to Galway sooo pretty
[10:36] <bigcalm> czajkowski: in the past you have nit-picked about me saying NI rather than just Ireland
[10:37] <czajkowski> no I always say there is a differrenciation, I will say I'm from ie, but I dont go to NI  it's when people say am I from the south of Ireland I nit pit
[10:37] <tonytiger> czajkowski: how long till stuff starts over there?
[10:38] <czajkowski> breakine start now
[10:38] <czajkowski> sessions kick off aat 9
[10:38] <czajkowski> leadershummit this afternoon will be interesting
[10:38] <czajkowski> *leadership summit
[10:38] <tonytiger> So it's what time there now?
[10:38] <czajkowski> tonytiger: 6:38
[10:38] <mattt> czajkowski: what do you do within ubuntu?
[10:38] <AlanBell> 9 is 1pm here
[10:38] <czajkowski> been up since 5
[10:39] <bigcalm> mattt: she just abuses their employees
[10:39] <czajkowski> mattt: I'm on the Ubuntu LocOc council EMEA membership board and the community council, I do Ubuntu advoacy and a lot of usability testing lately
[10:39] <tonytiger> OK so two and a bit hours to go
[10:39] <czajkowski> I also tend to rant a a lot
[10:39] <czajkowski> mostly about rugby :)
[10:40] <MooDoo> mattt: you don't know who czajkowski is?  shame on you ;)
[10:40] <MooDoo> mattt: czajkowski does indeed rant....;)
[10:40] <mattt> czajkowski: thank goodness you're not english, or the ranting would be never-ending
[10:40] <czajkowski> we're going to  have another loco council session as yesterdays was really good but we ran out of time
[10:40] <mattt> MooDoo: vaguely :)
[10:41] <jacobw> sounds interesting :)
[10:48] <bigcalm> popey is alive then
[10:48] <DJones> So it appears
[10:53] <popey> :D
[10:53] <popey> sucking internet in room
[10:53] <bigcalm> Hello popey
[10:53] <popey> hi
[10:56] <tonytiger> s/internet/.../
[10:57] <bigcalm> tonytiger's head is full of slurping noises :S
[10:58] <smittix> Can "sed" change a line in all files within a directory?
[10:58] <ali1234> yes
[11:00] <kirrus> smittix: just change sed -i 'matching regex' filename to sed -i 'matching regex' file list or *
[11:00] <smittix> ta
[11:20] <AlanBell> there is a UDS session at 2PM called "Meet with the Ubuntu Desktop Designers"
[11:20] <iclebyte> anyone found heartbeat to be unreliable?
[11:20] <bigcalm> Think it will be a busy one?
[11:21] <AlanBell> very probably
[11:21] <bigcalm> Full of angry/bewildered people?
[11:22] <iclebyte> i'm angry and bewildered
[11:22] <iclebyte> with heartbeat
[11:22] <iclebyte> and the apprentice
[11:24] <DJones> Heartbeat and The Apprentice? Sounds like too much tv :)
[11:26] <NET||abuse> Hmm , anyone use Cloudmin before?
[11:26] <NET||abuse> stuck it on a 11.10 server and all has worked out well so far.
[11:26] <NET||abuse> setting up some vm's for testing stuff here, but wanted a nice management tool
[11:27] <NET||abuse> seems relatively simple so far, anyone else got experience with it?
[11:36] <kirrus> iclebyte: Nope, never had any problems with reliability with heartbeat. It's always been rock-solid for me
[11:55] <popey> morning all!
[11:56] <bigcalm> The 2nd second awakening
[11:57] <DJones> Morning (just about)
[12:10] <Guest38501> g'day all. I have a general networking in linux question.
[12:11] <Guest38501> When I assign a static IP I lose connection to the domain and can not ping the domain server. When I use DHCP it works just fine
[12:12] <Guest38501> The DHCP server starts giving out addresses from 170 and up but the servers are int he 25 range
[12:12] <Guest38501> I need this box to be 25-40 range
[12:15] <mattt> NET||abuse: never even heard of cloudmin
[12:15] <mattt> if it's anything like webmin *puke*
[12:17] <tonytiger> Guest38501: is the domain controller on the same subnet?
[12:17] <tonytiger> Also, you will need to manually specify DNS servers on the client as well as IP address, subnet mask and gateway
[12:26] <Guest38501> The company is in the middle of a merge. My address range is 10.30.60.0 and theirs is 192.168.1.0. Their domain controller is what we need to connect to is 192.168.1.6
[12:27] <Guest38501> My OpenFire server is 10.38.60.27 locally but I can not ping the AD controller to get accounts
[12:27] <Guest38501> *their AD controller
[12:34] <Guest38501> I've set rosolv.conf to nameserver 192.
[12:35] <Guest38501> *192.168.1.6 and 10.38.60.8
[12:35] <Guest38501> (my gateway)
[12:44] <andysimons> how many people here are at UDS?
[12:45] <MooDoo> wish i was
[13:16] <gord> Happy mailman day!
[13:16] <MooDoo> oh crap yeah, forgot abotu that
[13:25] <bigcalm> I find it rare to get any mail from mailman these days, let alone on the 1st of each month
[13:39] <smittix> Does anyone here use quickly?
[13:49] <ali1234> i used it once
[14:03] <oimon> MooDoo: ping
[14:04] <MooDoo> oimon: no one here but us chickens
[14:04] <oimon> yay
[14:04] <oimon> have a quick question sir if you have the time
[14:04] <oimon> regarding htc desire
[14:04] <MooDoo> i''ll try
[14:04] <MooDoo> ok
[14:04] <oimon> it seems i ahve S-ON
[14:04] <oimon> although i have CM7 installed
[14:04] <oimon> were you able to permanently choose S-OFF?
[14:05] <MooDoo> oimon: i'm not sure what it is.....
[14:05] <MooDoo> just reading
[14:05] <smittix> ali1234: ahh, just having problems publishing my app.
[14:05] <oimon> basically it's stopping me frmo upgrading clockworkmod recovery
[14:05] <oimon> which i need before upgrading CM70.3.->7.1.0
[14:05] <MooDoo> yeah i'm just going to reboto mine and have a look
[14:05] <ali1234> smittix: publishing?
[14:06] <oimon> MooDoo: i thought you updated CM regualrly?
[14:06] <Myrtti> quick question, what's the VAT in UK at the moment?
[14:06] <smittix> ali1234: Uploading to my ppa
[14:06] <MooDoo> oimon: i normally do use the daily build, but just upload the zip to my phone and use the rom manager
[14:07] <oimon> yeah, even that isn't working for moi
[14:07] <Myrtti> 20
[14:07] <Myrtti> ok.
[14:08] <Oli> Yeah 20%. Just smashing.
[14:08] <MooDoo> oimon: i'm not sure then, i'll have a read and see if i can find anything
[14:08] <oimon> ah, don't worry , i'll try running unrevoked again
[14:08] <MooDoo> ok sorry
[14:08] <oimon> np
[14:08] <oimon> :D
[14:09] <Myrtti> I can't fathom why this site displays engagement prices with £XXXX+VAT. Surely it's a b2c sales and nobody buys engagement rings without paying VAT?!?!?!
[14:09] <Myrtti> baffling
[14:10] <NET||abuse> hmm, looking at new phone on contract, Samsung Galaxy SII or HTC Sensation?
[14:10] <oimon> both are nice
[14:10] <NET||abuse> does anyone know if they've had any issues with mounting the Samsung filesystem?
[14:10] <Dave2> in what way?
[14:11] <tonytiger> Myrtti: maybe some people buy and resell them..? Dunno, sounds odd to me!
[14:11] <NET||abuse> i've heard the first galaxy S  use  Robust FAT File System
[14:12] <Myrtti> tonytiger: I suppose, it still doesn't make any sense to me. Weird as hell.
[14:12] <Dave2> well, I've had no problems mounting my SII
[14:12] <NET||abuse> cool, ok good to hear
[14:12] <NET||abuse> oh, then i see this... http://androidforums.com/samsung-galaxy-s2-international/313715-samsung-galaxy-s-2s-filesystem-confirmed-ext4-d.html
[14:17] <Dave2> The root's ext4, the USB mass storage is vfat
[14:17] <Dave2> at least, this is what `mount` tells me
[14:18] <dwatkins> Are you connecting to it with a USB cable, or have you placed the SD card in an adapter, Dave2?
[14:18] <Dave2> I don't have an SD card.
[14:18] <Dave2> this is the internal storage
[14:27] <NET||abuse> Dave2: who'd you get the phone with? O2, vodafone? here in uK?
[14:27] <Dave2> O2.
[14:27] <NET||abuse> wondering what the internal storage is.
[14:27] <NET||abuse> some specs say 16GB internal
[14:27] <Dave2> I got it when it was free on a £27/month contract.
[14:27] <Dave2> It's 16GB internal, 12GB available as USB mass storage IIRC.
[14:28] <Dave2> It's also got a microSD slot.
[14:28] <NET||abuse> yeh, i'm looking at vodafone free on 30/month
[14:28] <NET||abuse> Dave2: application space?
[14:28] <NET||abuse> i'm on an old Desire, and it sucks, i can barely install 10 apps before it overloads
[14:28] <NET||abuse> I had to uninstall google+ and flash to get it working again 2 weeks ago
[14:29] <NET||abuse> Dave2: so is that 12GB free for apps? or is only the 4GB (which is stil way more than the Desire :P)
[14:29] <Dave2> You can move apps to the SD card, I think.
[14:30] <Dave2> With the "SD card" in this case being the 12GB of internal space.
[14:30] <NET||abuse> yeh, i did that as much as possible, but alot of them still won't uninstall their bulk from main memory
[14:37] <NET||abuse> the HTC Sensation only seems to have the 1GB internal... i think that makes the decision for me.
[14:37] <NET||abuse> samsung it is, bigger battery, super amoled screen,
[14:37] <NET||abuse> they're winning it for me.
[14:38] <NET||abuse> i like htc for the physical build though, i think the sensation looks prettier
[14:39] <Azelphur> anyone recommend a cheap ubuntu compatible scanner?
[14:39] <Azelphur> doesn't need to be super hd or last very long
[14:41] <gord> HP
[14:44] <NET||abuse> svn st
[14:44] <NET||abuse> oops, sorry
[14:45] <AlanBell> Azelphur: you might find a multi-functional device is cheaper than a scanner
[14:46] <Azelphur> yea I was just thinking a printer/scanner might come in handy
[14:46] <AlanBell> so you get a scanner with feeder, and a printer as well
[14:47] <Azelphur> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hewlett-Packard-DeskJet-F4180-All-In-One-InkJet-Scanner-Printer-/180747501508?pt=UK_CamerasPhoto_Printers_Printers_JN&hash=item2a1563ffc4#ht_500wt_1156 maybe this? :)
[14:47] <Azelphur> ubuntu wiki says it's known to work :D
[14:48] <Azelphur> and google shopping puts the ink at about 5 quid, so think that might do the job
[14:51] <AlanBell> Azelphur: sheet feeder is nice though
[14:51] <Azelphur> sheet feeder?
[14:51] <AlanBell> http://www.ebay.co.uk/ctg/Hewlett-Packard-4500-All-In-One-InkJet-Printer-/97476091?_dmpt=UK_CamerasPhoto_Printers_Printers_JN&_pcategid=171962&_pcatid=561&_trkparms=65%253A12%257C66%253A2%257C39%253A1%257C72%253A5251&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
[14:51] <AlanBell> put in a stack of paper and simple-scan pulls them all in and makes a PDF of the lot
[14:52] <AlanBell> if you don't want to do that then fine, but now is the time to decide :)
[14:53] <Azelphur> AlanBell: nah I don't particularly, I very rarely print or scan, probably a couple times in a year
[14:53] <Azelphur> no point in spending an extra 40 quid speeding the process up
[14:53] <AlanBell> yup
[14:53] <Azelphur> just that for 15 quid there ain't much point in going to the shop and paying like £2 for it, when I could do it from the comfort of my home \o/
[14:54] <Azelphur> righto then, I shall go for the F4180 I guess
[14:55] <Azelphur> I believe I've checked most of the common pitfalls, ubuntu wiki says it's supported and the inks seem to be around £5
[15:02] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Leadership @ UDS - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/11/01/leadership-uds/
[15:03] <oimon> MooDoo: fyi i found something called revolution.io . my hboot was too new for unrevoked :-S
[15:09] <KrisDouglas> Hello, has anyone else noticed if you start typing the name of a file in nautilus and delete some of the text, it moves back through the folders, using backspace as a nav button
[15:09] <KrisDouglas> wow that is terribly written
[15:11] <KrisDouglas> What I mean to say, is when you delete text from the "start typing search", it navigates back through the folders instead of deleting...
[15:12] <MooDoo> thanks oimon
[15:14] <ali12341> i haven't noticed it but it doesn't really surprise me
[15:14]  * oimon has spent too long fannying around with his phone today
[15:17] <theashman> Hi. How can I set a directory so that all files created under it inherit it's permissions?
[15:18] <MooDoo> oimon: get some work done :)
[15:19] <oimon> yes dad
[15:19] <MooDoo> hehe
[15:21] <BigRedS> theashman: use the setuid and setgid bits
[15:22] <BigRedS> if you check docs for each, you'll get a better explanation than I can manage :)
[15:22] <BigRedS> oh. those'll let it inherit its ownership, not permissions.
[15:23] <BigRedS> for permissions you need to check umasks, but those are per-process rather than per-directory
[15:23] <theashman> ahh
[15:24] <oimon> anyone recommend a place to buy compatible ink
[15:26] <czajkowski> http://lococouncil.ubuntu.com/2011/11/01/loco-council-oneiric-cycle-review/
[15:26]  * czajkowski waves at gord 
[15:35] <gord> czajkowski, i forgot what this session was about about 15 minutes ago =\
[15:35] <czajkowski> gord: TEA BAGS
[15:35] <czajkowski> mug of hot tea curled up with a jammy dodger and being back in UK is all you can think about
[15:35]  * czajkowski stabs davmor2 
[15:36] <gord> only one more day and i can go home :)
[15:36] <czajkowski> hope you're snowed in
[15:36]  * davmor2 shaves czajkowski head
[15:36] <ball> Oooh!  I should stick the kettle on.
[15:36]  * czajkowski kicks davmor2 in the shins
[15:37] <gord> found a picture of ducks though http://i.imgur.com/LPjQ5.jpg
[15:37] <ball> That's ducking excellent!
[15:44] <MooDoo> davmor2: czajkowski stop fighting or go to #naughtystep
[15:45] <Dave2> (##)
[15:45]  * Dave2 hides a bit
[15:45] <davmor2> MooDoo: I'm not fighting I'm shaving czajkowski head
[15:45] <MooDoo> davmor2: well stop picking on her and behave....
[15:46] <davmor2> MooDoo: I didn't start it :D
[15:46] <MooDoo> davmor2: czajkowski well i'm ending behave :D
[15:48] <oimon> MooDoo: did you flash your radio when upgrading to cm7.1?
[15:49] <MooDoo> oimon: not that i'm aware of.  i did read somewhere i should of but i don't use radio
[15:49] <MooDoo> so i didn't
[15:49] <oimon> it's not for radio though
[15:49] <bigcalm> MooDoo: if you use wifi or 3g, then you do
[15:49] <oimon> controls main functions of the phone
[15:49] <MooDoo> hmmmmmm
[15:49] <MooDoo> as you can see i just plowed into it and didn't take any notice of what i should be doing :D)
[15:50] <buzz_> sudo apt-get install sox; echo "main(t){for(t=0;;t++)putchar((t>>6|t|t>>(t>>16))*10+((t>>11)&7));}" >m1.c; make m1; ./m1 | play -c 1 -b 8 -u -r 8000 -t raw -
[15:50] <bigcalm> Heh
[15:50] <buzz_> from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtQdIYUtAHg (3 parts)
[15:50] <oimon> apparently it's a requirement for 7.1
[15:50] <MooDoo> oimon: i must of as 3g and wiress on my phone work ok
[15:51] <oimon> bluetooth?
[15:51] <MooDoo> not tried that
[15:51] <oimon> hehe
[15:51] <MooDoo> one sec
[15:51] <oimon> don't ;)
[15:52] <oimon> there's no all-encompassing wiki page for this stuff :(
[15:52] <bigcalm> I found that I had to install the bt file transfer app to be able to connect to my car's bt. Without it, you don't have an option of what pin number is used when pairing
[15:52] <bigcalm> It worked when I had stock on the phone. I guess CM changed the default pin used from 1234 to 0000
[15:53] <oimon> ah, i might have that prob too
[15:54] <bigcalm> Since getting it connected, it works perfectly :)
[15:55] <oimon> bigcalm: what phone u have?
[15:55] <oimon> i can't find a safe site to tell me which radio to update to
[15:56] <bigcalm> oimon: Nexus One
[16:00]  * daubers makes some coffee
[16:01] <bigcalm> Where the flip are British Gas?
[16:02] <davmor2> MooDoo: no come over here and make us :P
[16:02] <daubers> bigcalm: Having a brew?
[16:03] <DJones> bigcalm: Probably in manchester dealing with a burst water main that flooded the gas pipes, local radio has been talking about it for the last week, residents have been withough gas for about a week
[16:03] <MooDoo> davmor2: i wish i bloody could young man, czajkowski punch him for me will you :D
[16:05] <bigcalm> DJones: :(
[16:06] <davmor2> MooDoo: :P you wouldn't like the rain honest :D
[16:07] <MooDoo> davmor2: i'd get the wettest me being tall and all that :D
[16:14] <mfraz74> Just done an update and I'm getting this http://paste.ubuntu.com/725456/
[16:17] <MooDoo> tried apt-get -f install to install files that it's missing?
[16:17] <mfraz74> MooDoo: I've tried that, looks like it could be this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/833841
[16:17] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 833841 in mesa (Ubuntu) "libgl1-mesa-glx alternative link" [Undecided,Invalid]
[16:18] <oimon> MooDoo: i decided that my radio version was new enough
[16:18] <MooDoo> mfraz74: you going to try #5?
[16:19] <mfraz74> MooDoo: that's what i'm doing now
[16:19] <mfraz74> odd that i've never come across it before
[16:39]  * bigcalm demands British Gas!
[16:42]  * BigRedS produces some
[16:42]  * bigcalm cracks a window
[16:43] <NET||abuse> hmm, last mobile question i swear,, any reason to go with vodafone or O2 over the other?
[16:43] <Azelphur> NET||abuse: depends what your after
[16:43] <bigcalm> The both do nice television adverts
[16:43] <NET||abuse> both are offering ~£35 / month with free galaxy sII, so that's all well and good
[16:43] <bigcalm> I like the bees
[16:44] <NET||abuse> netowrk wise i suppose, data speed
[16:44] <NET||abuse> secondarily call quality.
[16:44] <DJones> Which one has the best reception in your area
[16:44] <bigcalm> T-Mobile and Orange will give you the greatest UK coverage
[16:44] <NET||abuse> my cousin has moved to vodafone and swears he found it better the last year.
[16:45] <NET||abuse> hmm,
[16:45] <mfraz74> Orange coverage is patchy around here
[16:45] <bigcalm> So you want the sII rather than waiting for the Nexus?
[16:45] <NET||abuse> one other reason is that vodafone and O2 are back in ireland, and i can get the addons to ring people back home too.
[16:45] <NET||abuse> bigcalm: how long for nexus?
[16:45] <bigcalm> Some time this month apparently.
[16:46] <NET||abuse> bigcalm: i've just gotten to london and am in need of phone for work and various othe rthings
[16:47] <bigcalm> NET||abuse: I can't pin down a date other than this month
[16:47] <shauno> I wouldn't trust o2-uk and o2-ie to pretend they're the same company.  it's going to be international minutes either way
[16:48] <NET||abuse> nah, they aren't the same company sure, but they have a deal that my cousin uses and is free calls to named phones
[16:48] <NET||abuse> but they have to be coda-ie
[16:49] <NET||abuse> uh,, voda-ie
[16:49] <NET||abuse> i'm not sure if O2 has a similar deal, but at least there's more chance
[16:49] <NET||abuse> hmm, that's annoying,, what's better on this nexus than galaxy sII?
[16:51] <bigcalm> I hear mutterings of the 16th in the UK
[16:52] <DJones> Most review/comparison's I've read suggest that the SII was slightly better than the nexus prime
[16:52] <DJones> But not much in it
[16:52] <DJones> http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/42623/galaxy-nexus-vs-samsung-galaxy-s-2
[16:53] <bigcalm> But when will the SII get ICS?
[16:54] <DJones> Jan 12 apparanetly
[17:05] <NET||abuse> bigcalm: what's ICS?
[17:05] <MooDoo> NET||abuse: ice cream sandwich
[17:05] <NET||abuse> 3.0?
[17:05] <MooDoo> code name for the latest version of android
[17:05] <NET||abuse> or 2.4?
[17:05] <NET||abuse> it's got 2.3 preloaded yeh?
[17:05] <bigcalm> NET||abuse: 4.0
[17:05] <NET||abuse> ah,
[17:05] <NET||abuse> right, i'm behind the times.
[17:06] <MooDoo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history
[17:06] <bigcalm> 3.0 is honeycomb, used by some tablets
[17:10] <MartijnVdS> My tables has 3.2 now I think
[17:10] <MartijnVdS> tablet*
[17:11] <bigcalm> Mine has 2.3 and not very well implemented either
[17:12] <MartijnVdS> 2.3? that's the phone version right?
[17:12] <bigcalm> Yes
[17:12] <MartijnVdS> scary
[17:12]  * MartijnVdS ordered a Galaxy Nexus though \o/
[17:22] <sevist> Ïðèâåò íàðîä
[17:22] <sevist> íóæíà ïîìîùü
[17:23] <sevist> ïîäñêàæèòå êàê äîáàâèòü íàáîð ïîëèòèê, ðàçðåøàþùèõ Power Management
[17:24] <mfraz74> I'm happy with my HTC sensation :)
[17:24] <daubers> !by
[17:24] <DJones> !ru
[17:24] <lubotu3`> Пожалуйста наберите /join #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке. | Pozhalujsta naberite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke.
[17:25] <daubers> DJones: Beat me to it
[17:25] <DJones> (Belarus ip, I'm assuming russian language)
[17:27] <DJones> sevist: The uk in ubuntu-uk is for United Kingdom
[17:28] <MartijnVdS> !uk
[17:28] <lubotu3`> Join us for a discussion using the Queen's English in #ubuntu-uk
[17:41] <k3nz0> Nigga stole my bike.
[17:42] <bigcalm> :(
[17:42] <bigcalm> Why do trolls troll?
[17:43] <smittix> random
[17:43] <AlanBell> looking for attention maybe
[17:44] <smittix> or the person that stole his bike
[17:44] <bigcalm> Tsk
[17:44] <AlanBell> anyhow, anyone been following the UDS sessions?
[17:44] <smittix> I wish i could implant programming knowledge into my brain.
[17:47] <smittix> I watched the first live session
[17:48] <BigRedS> what's the name of that pub-on-a-train phenomenon?
[17:48] <AlanBell> rat
[17:49] <AlanBell> ooooh they have opened up 2012 dates
[17:49] <AlanBell> http://www.watercressonline.co.uk/section.php?xSec=191
[17:50] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: popey ^^
[17:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> :D
[17:51] <ali1234> AlanBell: how do i access UDS sessions?
[17:52] <AlanBell> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/2011-11-01/ this is the schedule for today
[17:53] <AlanBell> if you click the little pen+pad image on a session slot it will take you to a page like this http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/meeting/19587/community-roundtable-tuesday/
[17:53] <BigRedS> AlanBell: Ta!
[17:53] <AlanBell> which is a shared notepad when you log in to it (launchpad password)
[17:53] <AlanBell> and below the pad is a link to the live audio for the room, whcih you can play with vlc
[17:54] <AlanBell> to talk back to people in the room, each room has an IRC channel which is projected to the room
[17:54] <AlanBell> so for that example the IRC channel is #ubuntu-uds-bonaire3
[17:55] <AlanBell> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/meeting/19239/plenary-rackspace/ is starting now
[17:55]  * bigcalm remembers how the on stage twitter fall was abused at the last lrl :D
[17:56] <AlanBell> vlc http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/grandsierra-d.ogg.m3u will play the audio stream
[17:56] <smittix> ooh a quickly session.
[17:56] <smittix> Some of the user ideas are interesting
[17:56] <ali1234> do i have to sign in to every single meeting individually or does it remember?
[17:56] <smittix> especially push ssh and pgp.
[17:56] <AlanBell> starting here you can view the schedule by track or by day http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/
[17:57] <AlanBell> ali1234: should be a one off thing (unless you have a paranoid security setup in your browser)
[17:57] <ali1234> blah it doesn't work
[17:57] <ali1234> i have to join ubuntu-etherpad group
[17:57] <AlanBell> ok
[17:57] <AlanBell> I will approve you
[17:57] <AlanBell> most people will be members of a loco team and pre-approved
[17:58] <ali1234> i haven't even signed the CoC
[17:58] <AlanBell> you don't need to
[17:58] <bigcalm> I haven't even read the CoC
[17:58] <ali1234> ok i applied to join
[17:58]  * AlanBell already added you
[17:59] <smittix> CoC?
[17:59] <AlanBell> !coc
[17:59] <lubotu3`> The Ubuntu Code of Conduct is a community etiquette document to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere, and can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ | For information on how to electronically sign the CoC, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SigningCodeofConduct
[17:59] <smittix> ahh duh
[17:59] <smittix> Signed it today :)
[17:59] <bigcalm> AlanBell: apparently there are already a few things booked in December. Any way we can kick start this thing so we might secure some dates? :)
[17:59] <smittix> for use with quickly
[18:00] <AlanBell> smittix: ah yes, you need it for a ppa
[18:00] <AlanBell> bigcalm: the RAT you mean?
[18:00] <bigcalm> AlanBell: na, the meal
[18:00] <AlanBell> bigcalm: yes, working on that
[18:01] <bigcalm> Ok, great :)
[18:01] <bigcalm> Hayley has told me to go on my own if she is already booked for the same date. Let loose in London on my own? Oh my
[18:02] <AlanBell> ali1234: pad working now?
[18:04] <smittix> AlanBell: I'm having trouble using quickly uploading my project.
[18:05] <bigcalm> Is it well known that track changes in a word document do not show correctly in Libre Office?
[18:05] <AlanBell> smittix: with the quickly share bit?
[18:06] <smittix> AlanBell: Yeah, I don't know how to set what ppa to upload to? Can't find any information on it.
[18:07] <smittix> Looks like it auto chooses /ppa but I kind of messed up by creating a ppa called "ppa" then deleted it thinking I could recreate it
[18:07] <smittix> Which you can't, and you can't reinstate a deleted ppa :(
[18:07] <AlanBell> oops
[18:08] <AlanBell> I haven't used quickly for ages, that bit worked for me when I did it though
[18:09] <AlanBell> um, the people who can help get that fixed are going to be at UDS at the moment
[18:09] <smittix> Yeah thought so. I will try and figure it out. It will give me something to do.
[18:09] <AlanBell> I would suggest taking some names at the quickly sessions then bugging those people next week
[18:09] <popey> aquarius: seen jono?
[18:10] <smittix> All this app does at the minute is easily unhides hidden startup programs from gnome-session-properties.
[18:10] <AlanBell> Rick Spencer and didrocks are the main people I think
[18:10] <aquarius> popey, not since well before lunch
[18:17] <Myrtti> you people and your UDS
[18:18] <Myrtti> you depress me :-(
[18:18]  * bigcalm hugs Myrtti
[18:18]  * AlanBell presses Myrtti
[18:18] <bigcalm> Heh
[18:18] <Myrtti> OY
[18:19]  * AlanBell undepresses Myrtti. Better?
[18:20] <smittix> Yay got it on the project page anyway https://launchpad.net/autostart-changer
[18:20] <smittix> and messed the version number up in the process.
[18:20] <AlanBell> yay
[18:21] <smittix> Don't know if anyone else will find it usefull. It's one of the first things I head to on a new install.
[18:26] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod, prod, proddy, prod, prod, prod
[18:34] <ali1234> AlanBell: thanks
[18:39] <Oli> Wow. BBC Tech just got the news that floods in Thailand have affected manufacturing. Shameful how behind the curve they are sometimes. You'd expect somebody there to subscribe to Slashdot (who were themselves a day behind the rest)
[18:53] <AlanBell> ali1234: and anyone else not joined the launchpad team feel free to add yourself here https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk
[18:53] <AlanBell> not that it does a great deal
[18:59] <bigcalm> That's a lot of names
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> Can I turn off the "half-maximize" if I move the window to the right/left edge of the screen
[19:01] <MartijnVdS> I tend to do what with Chrome and it's almost impossible to restore the window to its previous size
[19:02] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: look in the setings of the grid plugin in ccsm
[19:02] <AlanBell> edges tab
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: running ccsm crashes Unity/compiz for me
[19:03] <AlanBell> yeah, it is delicate
[19:03] <AlanBell> ooh, you can set it to 1/4 maximise stuff
[19:03] <AlanBell> in the corners
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> ooh you can tell it to do it only on bottom corners
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> win
[19:05] <MartijnVdS> ooh it worked without crashing
[19:07] <smittix> Yeah when I change the launcher size it does nothing the first time. I have to logout and in again then change it again and it finally does it.
[19:20] <czajkowski> ohh thats laney
[19:20] <Laney> allegedly
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> Some say... ;)
[19:21] <Laney> so tempted to cowsay in the room's irc channel
[19:21] <czajkowski> face <~> name
[19:22] <Laney> :-)
[20:31] <MartijnVdS> Laney: Upstream banshee fixed "our" bug (dbus/gconf restarts)!
[20:31] <Laney> yeah i was following it
[20:31] <Laney> was a gconf bug
[20:53] <daubers> Hello
[21:07] <MattJ> Howdy daubers
[21:19] <MartijnVdS> Doctor Who & Minecraft people: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTWaa2FCq-M
[21:23] <cheekychappy> hello
[21:23] <MartijnVdS> \o
[21:24] <cheekychappy> is this working ?
[21:24] <tonytiger> yup
[21:24] <cheekychappy> cool never done this before
[21:24] <tonytiger> welcome :)
[21:24] <mattt> cheekychappy: keep your hands on the wheel
[21:25] <cheekychappy> how do i find out who i can chat to?
[21:25] <cheekychappy> private message and all that jazz
[21:26] <tonytiger> Who do you want to chat to?
[21:26] <cheekychappy> a bird with a brain
[21:27] <tonytiger> Someone in particular?
[21:27] <tonytiger> This isn't really a dating channel
[21:27] <cheekychappy> ive just turned single after 15 years and would like a nice lady to chat
[21:27] <cheekychappy> i know that
[21:28] <cheekychappy> its just a conversation
[21:29] <tonytiger> This is a channel to talk about Ubuntu software
[21:29] <mattt> lolz
[21:30] <cheekychappy> lol is it
[21:30] <bigcalm> Seems an odd channel to choose
[21:30] <cheekychappy> ooopps
[21:31] <cheekychappy> just looking for a chat with a few females my mistake
[21:31] <mattt> :/
[21:31] <mattt> would imagine freenode as a whole would be a bad destination for that
[21:31] <tonytiger> :)
[21:31] <tonytiger> Yeah
[21:31] <bigcalm> Nothing wrong with that, not sure freenode is where you'll find what you seek
[21:32] <bigcalm> tonytiger: has Laura stopped blinking?
[21:33] <bigcalm> Wouldn't want her to disappear
[21:33] <cheekychappy> ok happy chatting ta
[21:33] <bigcalm> chalcedony: good luck with your search
[21:34] <cheekychappy> lol cheers
[21:35] <bigcalm> How odd
[21:35] <dutchie> i suspect this is the "xchat joins #ubuntu-uk by default" thing again
[21:35] <bigcalm> Oh
[21:36] <Xbert> Apparmor is not showing Firefox as enforced when it running, Firefox is set to be enforced, can anyone help me?
[21:37] <mattt> dutchie: haha!
[21:42] <daubers> Why is it glue fumes smell like pink elephants?
[21:43] <bigcalm> o.O
[21:43] <bigcalm> How long have you been sniffing them for?
[21:43] <Myrtti> pink?
[21:43] <daubers> been sticking stuff together for about an hour
[21:44] <bigcalm> Myrtti: do you have pink on highlight? :)
[21:44] <Myrtti> bigcalm: yes.
[21:44] <bigcalm> Hehe, cool
[21:54] <Myrtti> oh dear god, take away this pain of new Gmail themes
[21:55] <Myrtti> I know I could revert to old gmail, but that would only postpone the pain
[21:56] <Xbert> Apparmor is not showing Firefox as enforced when it running, Firefox is set to be enforced, can anyone help me?
[22:02] <ali1234> Myrtti: there's a version of the new theme with less whitespace
[22:07] <Myrtti> ali1234: I hate the colours
[22:07] <ali1234> but they have pink
[22:07] <Myrtti> I hate the pink one
[22:08] <ali1234> i got used to the new colours after about 2 days
[22:08] <Myrtti> Dusk is closest to what I like
[22:08] <Myrtti> the pink needs to be more gray for me to like it
[22:09] <ali1234> they've put the ads back at the top of the page, good
[22:10] <andylockran> :)
[22:10] <ali1234> on the preview they were stuck to the bottom of the window and moved when you scrolled
[22:10] <ali1234> it was really annoying