[02:01] Happy Halloween [02:05] <_stink_> you too [02:10] OK, so I have the new GOogle Reader [02:10] and it appears that "sharing" things in reader just doesn't happen anymore [02:10] and that makes me sad. [02:10] i hate the new google reader [02:10] it sucks [02:10] i keep getting "oops an error occured" [02:10] or whatever the exact text is [02:10] Well, the interface is OK [02:11] too much white space for me [02:11] Yeah, there is that [02:12] Ah, I think I figured it out [02:13] so i don't like how "share" defaults to the article you are reading... i had a thought, wanted to share on google+ and it seemed a bit awkward [02:58] btw: channel logging is fixed. [02:59] So we're back to abiding by the COC. ;) [03:00] <_stink_> ^%$^$*%^(!!! [03:00] I said the COC, not the FCC. [03:00] Fuck the FCC [03:03] (and if you ever wondered why OMC is explicit, now you know. ;) ) [03:04] Having to censor every fuck, shit, cock, piss, etc. on a record, and hope to God you didn't miss one is just a pain in the ass. [03:05] <_stink_> you can understand the words in metal? [03:05] <_stink_> :D [03:05] also at the time I was on the radio, you couldn't say "bitch" or "ass" [03:06] _stink_: Yes, I can [03:06] I've told you about the "not now, James" song I let fly on WTHS, haven't I? [03:06] <_stink_> heh, i do not believe [03:06] <_stink_> so [03:06] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnYf7LqDPgs [03:07] Listen to this song. [03:07] <_stink_> i figure that comprehending the lyrics in metal is like being able to read graffiti. [03:07] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHsBSVgPSJQ <- Better version [03:07] All of the albums were marked with a "NO!" if they were unfit for radio play. [03:08] this one wasn't. [03:08] Got a call from the station manager [03:08] I about shit my pants. [03:08] But no harm, no foul. Just marked it as a big "NO!" and moved on with my day. [03:09] If you got past the first few verses, you heard it. ;) [03:09] <_stink_> haha [03:09] <_stink_> yeah, the second link [03:10] <_stink_> i didn't want to come back here and say i couldn't understand it :P [03:10] <_stink_> i like the groove, though [03:10] Yeah, PWEI is one of my favorite bands. [03:11] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swLeUwcQbBU [03:17] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j7TuPV5Mh8 [03:18] Man, TV has no balls now. ;) [03:21] Sorry, Jimmy Kimmell has balls [03:21] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo7d6HYXXr0&feature=related [03:22] I swear, Slayer doesn't have a stage, as much as they have a stack of marchalls. [03:22] er, Marshalls. [05:13] wow, really cool conway game of life: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtJ77qsLrpw [11:35] morning [11:40] ugh [11:40] heh [11:40] man, I'm beat, halloween used to be an easy holiday [11:40] now with the boy, people want to come over, hosting dinner, etc [11:41] geez [11:41] not anymore [11:41] we just walk the neighborhood and collect candy [11:41] we handed out to about 35 kids last night [11:41] the in laws want to see the boy, my aunt/uncle, then t he neighbors want to come over for pizza afterwards [11:41] turns into a full holiday [11:41] 35? we must have crossed a 100 [11:41] pretty low for us [11:42] only one hour of trick or treating, but went through 8 bags of candy [11:42] yeah, at J's dad's place we'd easiy hit 100 [11:42] plus we handed out Michale's winnings [11:42] Michael's [11:43] poor guy, he earned that candy with his hard work in being cute [11:43] we have a giant bowl of halloween, easter, and xmas candy that is technically george's [11:43] i eat like 1 piece/wk [11:45] this was the most fun halloween so far. the boy actually walked 75% of it [11:46] could go up to the door himself and take care of business [11:47] rick_h: Good going. When Michael gets older, he's going to hate pooling his hard-earned candy resources for the common good because of your actions [11:47] rick_h: You've created a Republican. [11:47] lol [11:47] probably, but have you seen a 2 yr old with a caramel candy? [11:47] did you want to clean that up? [11:47] he already didn't eat breakfast because he had the "chips hungers" and the "cookie hungers" [11:47] Three chews and it's on your carpet. Yes, I'm familiar with the concept. [11:47] now we're getting the "candy bar pls" [11:48] what is chips hungers? [11:48] gimme chips. Gimmee cookies [11:48] chips, you know, come in a bag [11:48] poor guy is going through junk-food withdrawl [11:48] yea, basically his way of saying "I'm not eating this healthy cereal you've placed before me...fetch me some of those chips in the bag I see over there" [11:49] http://openmetalcast.com/2011/11/01/open-metalcast-33-march-of-the-umlauts/ [11:49] ah [11:50] darnit, snap-l, i'm half way through Halloween [11:52] brousch: Youre the only person I know that listens to podcasts the same way that most people eat a pod of Necco wafers. [11:53] * snap-l was trying to remember the candy bar that was over a foot long, but is drawing a blank [11:55] if i listen while working i can't concentrate on work (except the instrumentalcasts). my commute is 10 minutes, so i tend to listen in 10 minute chunks [11:55] http://listoftheday.blogspot.com/2011/04/top-10-nasty-ass-candies-of-day.html [11:56] I love the quote at the end for the Boston Baked Beans. [11:58] dammit, this google reader update is starting to annoy me [11:59] I've not really cared about the sharing crap...but this new ui is getting on my nerves [12:00] Hit f [12:00] it's the fact that I have to use u that's bugging me [12:00] rss feeds should be flexible width, I should be able to fit the damn window in 1/2 of my monitor [12:01] there's no damn good reason for this content to be so wide that I need u or side scrolling [12:01] I don't have the sidebar [12:01] yea, well I live on using the sidebar to jump from feeds in priority [12:02] pro-tip: start without the navigation pane [12:02] you can still access it at the top [12:02] yea, execpt I WANT the nav pane [12:02] (under settings) [12:02] without the extra click [12:03] It's one extra click [12:03] especially since I keep reader open with my twitter client/etc and use that to tell when I should hit a feed [12:03] I rarely hit things up in 1 or 2 items [12:03] not like you have to hit UUDDLRLRABAB [12:03] it's disruptive to the workflow [12:04] all windows should be full screen [12:04] shuttleworth tells me so [12:05] What I hate is the sharing shows up in G+ [12:05] it does? [12:05] So I don't have one-stop shopping anymore [12:05] if you share it there [12:05] if you didn't, oh well. [12:05] can you limit the circle or anything at least? [12:06] yes [12:06] but what pisses me off is it's only a snippet of the article [12:06] So, they broke my workflow too [12:07] Oh, and they broke my read later button too. [12:07] No, they didn't. [12:07] This is a good thing [12:10] this is not good, I'm too tired and cranky today. [12:10] I feel a blog post coming. ;) [12:10] bah, that sucks [12:10] sorry snap-l but that post took up the whole page in G+ [12:10] The comic? [12:10] yea [12:11] Yeah, this is bullshit [12:11] Just sent them feedback. [12:11] sec, need to install shutter to screen shot [12:11] I tried, wtf is the feedback button? [12:11] they say to "go to our help center" which is a empty FAQ of crap [12:12] No, feedback on G+ [12:12] they don't have the G+ like feedback tool at the bottom [12:25] rick_h: your last tweet does not make sense [12:25] missing a digit i think [12:29] grrr, won't let me repost it after deleting' [12:29] "You already posted that" [12:29] oh, but it went through lol [12:31] (0.5*1920) - (2*window_chrome) seems like a good width to target [12:31] so like 900 or 850? [12:32] I have no window chrome [12:32] 960 would be fine [12:32] you don't, but most people do [12:32] 900 is probably ok [12:33] it's more that people don't do flexible widths [12:33] the site krondor wants us to review is like that, 1100px min width [12:33] makes me cranky... [12:33] that's too wide [12:33] netbooks are 1024 [12:33] i could see 1000 [12:41] morning [12:41] I'm just about done with identi.ca [12:42] heh [12:42] why? [12:42] 1) Status.net mobile client is broken with 1.0 release [12:42] 2) update bot is gone for the time being [12:43] 3) more downtime [12:43] 4) I'm not a fan of the cnversation view. [12:44] (the new one, where posts show the replies all the time) [12:44] 5) tired of shouting into the void [12:44] It's become more apparent with this latest release. [12:45] brousch++ :-) [12:45] I've found my engagement dropped by about half with this release. [12:47] Also there's a good number of folks that no longer post there [12:50] Yeah, that's the biggie for me. Social networking only works for as long as your personal social network maintains critical mass === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [12:55] Well, they're definitely critical. ;) [13:01] hah [13:08] hah [13:14] hah [13:19] widox: greg-g what were you guys using for RSS? [13:19] tinyrss or something like that? [13:20] bah, damn php app [13:20] darn, i just read all my feeds and the new Reader popped up [13:20] now i have nothing to test it on [13:27] oooh, new Reader! I just +1'd something. Did it show up on my suspended G+ profile? :-p [13:27] and seriously... how long does it take to stop enforcing the names policy once you've decided not to enforce the names policy? [13:29] new google reader sucks [13:29] that is how i feel [13:30] jjesse: you feel like you suck? [13:30] yes [13:37] Let's take a vote. Who feels like jjesse sucks? [13:38] +1 [13:38] Everyone sucks. The question is does he suck more than the new Google Reader [13:38] -1 [13:40] :-) [13:40] apparently i don't suck enough to get more than 1 vote [13:41] i'm reserving judgement until i have a chance to use it [13:44] bah, want to like newsbeuter but man did they do it backwards [13:44] and lack of images in rss isn't going to work me thinks [13:45] I still use netvibes, because I'm too lazy/indifferent to try others [13:45] rick_h: i'm surprised you don't have a command line client for rss [13:45] brousch: yea, well web > * [13:46] google reader was nice because I need it for android podcast client, has an android app, and is web based so always up to date [13:46] there's too much white space in my view [13:46] now it's making reading a pita, and a cmd line client seems interesting...but if you're going to be the "mutt of rss" dammit use mutt keybindings [13:46] they took away the "share" and moved it all to google plus [13:47] and i keep getting "opps an error occured" [13:47] or at least vim-like [13:47] heh [13:47] there was a guy doing an open source python based rss reader, might have to look that up :/ [13:48] or maybe think on bookie + rss in some way [13:49] http://decafbad.net/2011/11/01/state-of-the-social-2011/ [13:52] rick_h: that's something to think about [13:53] that's something to drink about [13:53] next week is going to be good [13:53] going to get this ui work done, get the celery backend running [13:54] and then can start adding background tasks like pull rss feeds perhaps [13:54] snap-l: crap. you need to publish your cartoon feed if you're going to cut me off [13:55] although if you can choose a circle to share with, you could make a craig's cartoon circle [13:58] http://thestallmandialogues.com/ [13:59] sigh, and I find the project and the code makes me cry [13:59] great... [13:59] sorry in advance for blowing the rest of your day [14:00] https://launchpad.net/readfeeder/ [14:00] oh man, it's launchpad? that's never a good sign [14:01] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9058804/google-reader-subscriptions.xml [14:02] snap-l: thanks [14:02] np [14:03] Oops...an error occurred. Please try again in a few seconds [14:03] i keep seeing this stupid messages in google reader [14:03] jjesse: i'm not seeing those [14:04] you need to reboot your internets [14:05] saw them at home and today at work [14:05] brousch: in re rms http://www.metafilter.com/108829/Free-as-in-Free#3998903 [14:07] i was just reading the rider, and it's actually really useful for anyone that wants him to speak [14:08] granted [14:08] usually you have to painfully extract that information over time [14:08] it's useful, because he is going to be exacting anyway, might as well mark the location of all the land mines up front [14:09] right [14:09] the most interesting thing I learned in that whole thing . . . well, I was reminded of the brown M&M's clause in the Van Halen rider, and then learned of its intended purpose. [14:10] also he probably deals with others like himself frequently, and has encountered many of their blunders [14:10] * dzho nods [14:10] http://scripting.com/stories/2011/10/31/whyIStandUpForStallman.html [14:14] * dzho nods again [14:15] http://www.metafilter.com/108829/Free-as-in-Free#3999178 <- this comment is a bit more compassionate [14:15] and less "this is a problem for society" [14:16] anyway, I think one can value folks like RMS while also acknowledging that they have their limits and weaknesses, and discuss the ramifications of those limits and weaknesses. [14:18] We venerate those quirks that we can identify with [14:18] I'm sure nobody berates the Dalai Lama for his quirks [14:19] disagree. [14:19] hitler could have some valid point, but no one would listen becuase HE IS HITLER. [14:19] if you didn't get it. RMS is hitler in his comparison. [14:19] <_stink_> o/o/ [14:19] godwin be truth [14:19] jrwren: Well, he had a one major quirk [14:20] also, can we shut the internet now that we've compared RMS with Hitler? [14:20] no. [14:20] that comparision is an everyday occurence. [14:20] nothing new. [14:20] move along [14:20] Oh geez [14:21] I'm pretty sure "software purity" is not in the same league as racial purity. [14:21] And I'd hope nobody has died because of using non-free software in the presence of Stallman [14:22] Maybe they have a new asshole ripped for them, but that's about the extent of it. [14:22] snap-l: that's only true until artificial intelligence emrges [14:56] jrwren: Hitler had valid points and people listened. Your argument is flawed. [14:57] <_stink_> i thought he was talking about currently dead Hilter. [14:57] _stink_: I was not aware there was a currently living Hitler... [14:58] <_stink_> this is all so confusing. [15:00] Wolfger: I'm right here [15:01] i AM talking baout current dead hitler [15:02] my point is, say you are writing an article. if you quote hitler, you aren't going to have much credibility because of whom you chose to quote. [15:02] in a similar manner this is true of quoting RMS. [15:03] hell, this is basically how open source started, because Free Software is too extreme. [15:09] Isn't that how all good movements start out? :) [15:09] Buncha extremists said "fuck you" to the king, and created their own country. [15:10] yeah! [15:13] it's funny how mentioning Hitler means game over for a discussion, but not calling people communists, etc [15:14] I blame McCarthyism. ;) [15:18] fascism never prospers, what's the reason? For if it did, none dare call if fascism. [15:19] I think it's funny that we think it's cute when a kid dresses up like Darth Vader (ordered his military to blow up an entire planet, personally killed a room full of children), but a swastika regardless of context ist verboten (and they were in use long before Hitler) [15:20] <_stink_> perhaps it's because... Darth Vader was never real? [15:21] maybe. Darth Vader never did anything to my neighbor's family, for instance. [15:23] so emulating a fictional evil person is ok? [15:24] Wolfger: Aspirational marketing [15:24] <_stink_> yes, that is ok [15:25] As opposed to children dressing like dead people? [15:25] At least they're trying. [15:25] <_stink_> oh hey, this is a good place to ask this. [15:25] <_stink_> what's the reasonable max age for trick-or-treating? [15:26] <_stink_> assume good faith effort in costuming. [15:26] 12 if unaccompanied by young children [15:26] 13+ if accompanying young children [15:26] 16 and up: you're just pushing it [15:27] That said, the ghost from last night was around 16ish [15:27] <_stink_> i pretty much agree. [15:27] <_stink_> i was thinking once high school, no more. [15:27] If you're driving to the houses, then you're too old. [15:27] heh [15:28] Actually, 12-16 is a grey area [15:28] Wolfger: you just being a devil's advocate here, or are you really having trouble with this? [15:28] <_stink_> i wanted to say 10. [15:28] if you're actually putting in some effort, then I'd say 12-16 is fine [15:28] <_stink_> but... that's what, 4th grade? [15:28] <_stink_> seems like through elementary school is ok. [15:29] once you're getting a driver's license / permit then it's too old [15:29] <_stink_> ok. [15:29] dzho: I like to do mental gymnastics [15:29] ah, fair enough. [15:29] <_stink_> i look forward to the day when i make my kid stop and he is crushed. [15:29] Never make them stop [15:29] they'll stop on their own [15:29] famous last words [15:30] just like eventually they'll figure out that Santa isn't real [15:30] WHAT?! [15:30] There's no magic age where you have to say "Seriously, it's just mom and I" [15:30] * dzho is crushed [15:30] Eventually they'll realize that Santa has one of your quirks [15:30] for me it was the fact that Santa had mom's handwriting [15:30] <_stink_> hehehe [15:31] and kept telling me to clean my room [15:36] dzho: yes, good comments. [15:36] dzho: of course, i am of hte belief that we live in fascism. its called USA. [15:37] Friendly Fa$cism. [15:38] Consolidated: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zchtjTwx9ok [15:39] Video is somewhat NSFW [15:42] jrwren: well, I'm not going to tell you you're wrong. [15:53] ok, what are folks using for encrypted password management on android? [16:07] I have an embarrassingy high score on rpg.stackexchange.com. [16:07] snap-l: friendly fascism is a classic. [16:07] now i have it in my head. [16:08] Not a huge, OMGWTFBBQ, but definitely higher than my other SE accounts [16:08] with Programmers a tidy second. [16:09] Heh. [16:09] that's more embarassing [16:22] lmorchard: CHC tomorrow, btw. ;) [16:22] Giving you a day's notice. ;) [16:27] http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/video-watch-an-exclusive-clip-from-rushs-new-live-dvd-509923 [16:37] 47d18h <- I <3 Linux [16:46] booyah. Reusing old Perl script ftw [16:47] booyah. being able to reuse perl scripts that weren't once-offs. ;) [16:48] well, the script was a bastardization of the website code so that I could CLI it from my laptop on a static file [16:48] just had to change the start/end date variables (normally supplied by web interface) [16:49] Of course, the powers that be removed the useful web interface from our site... [16:56] I should figure out what's firing off that warning one of these days, though :-p [17:32] 47d18h ? [17:45] The uptime on my linode instance. [17:46] 320 days, 21:06 [17:46] <_stink_> WE WIN! [17:48] \o/ [17:48] * ColonelPanic001 is ready to receive the prize [17:49] * brousch dumps a bucket of RMS sweat on you [17:49] brousch: You're too generous [17:50] http://amplifier.bandcamp.com/ [17:56] this looks interesting for the question i asked that no one answered http://timothyjc.blogspot.com/2010/12/wallet-for-android.html [18:01] even better for the more paranoid http://upm.sourceforge.net/ [19:06] ah, KeePass and KeePassDroid http://keepass.info/ [19:06] mono-based [19:07] you should just use the same password everywhere. Problem solved. :-D [19:10] That's the gawker media way. [19:11] i have been quite lazy. it's actually my new android users who are asking about it [19:17] <3 KeePassX [19:17] KeePass + Dropbox [19:37] hm, is that different than keepass2? [19:42] OK, this is awesome. [19:43] Just did a networked scan with my Brother MFC [19:44] ColonelPanic001: keepassx is the ticket! it looks nicer and uses the keepass1 format so keepassdroid can also edit the passwords [19:46] \o/ [19:53] which is less evil: c++ and qt or mono? [19:54] brousch: Define evil, pls [19:54] <_stink_> you are doomed [19:54] (this should only take a few minutes) [19:54] <_stink_> hah [19:56] :D [20:34] ColonelPanic001: do you use keepassdroid? [20:36] nein [20:53] whew, ok, got all of my passwords into keepass [20:55] the problem is that i have to click on the password DB in the dropbox folder on android to ensure it gets syned [20:55] synced [21:09] Is it me, or is the new G-mail redesign full of rooie mistakes? [21:09] rookie, even [21:54] hrm. looks like Wolfger is away [21:57] Tomorrow is CHC, btw. [22:15] i know [22:22] Just reminding. ;) [22:23] thanks [22:23] i'll get a map and stuff [22:23] i saved one on my phone [22:37] snap-l: the gmail redesign I like, the google reader redesign, not so much. [22:37] I'm seriously considering a user style to give me back my borders. [23:25] i'm not sure about either. heh [23:25] i waffle between liking both and not liking the reader one.