[03:50] <LLStarks> bryceh, why would ironhide be chosen over bumblebee at uds?
[03:51] <LLStarks> ironhide is a dying project with zero transparency
[03:52] <tjaalton> LLStarks: nothing is being chosen
[03:52] <LLStarks> "Ironhide (formerly known as Bumblebee)  is currently the best/only way to provide  MUXless systems support."
[03:52] <LLStarks> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/meeting/19359/desktop-p-hybrid-graphics/
[03:53] <tjaalton> yeah i'll remove that part
[03:53] <LLStarks> really? ironhide's dev doesn't talk to devs and his project is dead.
[03:55] <LLStarks> i'd really shy away from any solution that relies on virtualgl
[03:56] <LLStarks> we at the bumblebee team are trying to transition away from it and towards a more native approach like hybrid-windump, but run it through a secondary x server created by bumblebee
[03:57] <tjaalton> neither is going to be used
[03:57] <LLStarks> the virtualgl performance penalty is not trivial
[03:58] <LLStarks> i wouldn't mind waiting until 12.10 or 13.04 for proper nouveau support of optimus
[04:00] <LLStarks> i just find it disappointing that the uds notes would favor a piece of software while not consulting the wider hybrid graphics community that is eager to be actively involved.
[04:00] <tjaalton> uh
[04:02] <LLStarks> if you guys need guidance or documentation, we're here to help
[04:04] <LLStarks> i generally hang out in #bumblebee and #bumblebee-dev
[04:08] <LLStarks> not to belabor the point, but ironhide screws up a few things. it uses a needlessly cumbersome x server, it uses xv instead of proxy for image transport, and the acpi_calls it uses are not only incorrect, but dangerous for the machine
[04:09] <LLStarks> i should've been in antigua. my own damn fault for not attending in person or online.
[04:10] <tjaalton> it wasn't even discussed
[04:10] <LLStarks> then i guess i should just say lolphoronix
[04:11] <LLStarks> need to stop reading that crap
[04:11] <tjaalton> like i said, we're just going to focus on fixing the bugs where having a hg system will mess things up
[04:12] <LLStarks> there's only problems if you use nvidia blob
[04:12] <LLStarks> nouveau should be fine with optimus gpus as of 3.1
[04:12] <LLStarks> *kernel 3.1
[04:13] <LLStarks> imho, nvidia-current shouldn't be offered since the gl_conf settings get screwed up
[04:13] <tjaalton> oh geez, don't think michael was there either, my bad for pasting old notes with not enough time to clean them up first
[04:14] <bjsnider> LLStarks, what do you mean by "fine"?
[04:14] <bjsnider> only a few crashes?
[04:14] <LLStarks> no crashes.
[04:14] <bjsnider> no crashes at all
[04:15] <LLStarks> none, that i've encountered
[04:18] <LLStarks|Dell> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrCIpHvQRyQ (720p or up or will disply green)
[04:20] <LLStarks|Dell> sorry my internet cut out
[04:20] <LLStarks> not sure if the url went through
[04:21] <LLStarks> www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrCIpHvQRyQ (720p or higher needed or will render green)
[04:39] <LLStarks> what do you think, bjsnider?
[17:12] <Sarvatt> any chance we could get the general xorg requirements session moved to a later day when we actually have some kind of idea how the lts backports are going to work?
[17:15] <Sarvatt> aka is it a new archive, or will we have to screw with package names to do it like the lts backport kernels
[22:08] <kusznir> Hi all: I'm having trouble getting 11.04 to use the intel driver instead of the vesa driver with I945GM hardware.  Intel driver is installed.
[22:09] <kusznir> (so far, just booting "stock"; haven't tried any manual overrides; I don't know how to best override in current versions of Ubuntu)
[22:10] <kusznir> (I don't know if its related, but in order to get ubuntu to boot on this hardware I had to add the boot options acpi=off nolapic
[22:11] <kusznir> Actually, come to think of it, the reason I needed to do that was the entire box hard-locked when it would ordinarily set the font on boot (eg, shortly after the transition to the initrd).