| dLimit | Maaz, coffee on | 00:34 |
|---|---|---|
| * Maaz puts the kettle on | 00:34 | |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for dLimit! | 00:38 |
| dLimit | Maaz, Thanks | 00:40 |
| Maaz | dLimit: Sure | 00:40 |
| dLimit | I needed that | 00:40 |
| plustwo | good morning all | 06:25 |
| Kilos | morning everyone | 06:57 |
| Kilos | Maaz, coffee on | 07:06 |
| * Maaz flips the salt-timer | 07:06 | |
| Kilos | Maaz, hurry | 07:10 |
| Maaz | Hey! Kilos Patience is a virtue, | 07:10 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for Kilos! | 07:10 |
| Kilos | oh my | 07:11 |
| Kilos | Maaz, thanks man | 07:11 |
| Maaz | Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-) | 07:11 |
| Kilos | no bunch bot | 07:11 |
| Kilos | bad lag again today | 07:20 |
| nuvolari | o/ mornings | 07:33 |
| nuvolari | lo oom Kilos | 07:33 |
| === nlsthzn_ is now known as nlsthzn_work | ||
| nlsthzn_work | o/ | 09:19 |
| zeref | YawwnnN | 10:46 |
| Wolfeyes | good day all | 14:51 |
| sakhi | good day Wolfeyes | 14:55 |
| Wolfeyes | How you doing sakhi ? | 15:05 |
| Wolfeyes | Sorry someone distracted me here | 15:06 |
| dLimit | Greetings | 15:55 |
| Kilos | evening all | 16:04 |
| dLimit | greets Kilos | 16:05 |
| Kilos | ah we reached dLimit | 16:06 |
| Kilos | how you | 16:06 |
| dLimit | I'm good thanks Kilos and yourself? | 16:09 |
| Kilos | good ty | 16:09 |
| dLimit | Whats new? | 16:09 |
| Kilos | dunno been very quiet and i been sleeping mosta the day | 16:10 |
| Kilos | and by you | 16:10 |
| dLimit | Keepin meself busy with metube | 16:18 |
| nlsthzn | o/ | 16:23 |
| === locobot_2_2 is now known as locobot_2 | ||
| Kilos | hi nlsthzn | 16:31 |
| Kilos | whats metube | 16:31 |
| nlsthzn | hi Kilos | 16:31 |
| Kilos | a personal kinda youtube | 16:31 |
| Kilos | lo MPD | 16:52 |
| magespawn | howdy all | 17:02 |
| magespawn | Kilos you there? | 17:06 |
| magespawn | Maaz tell Kilos I got the Mythbuntu working. Look like the sound on the other motherboard in broken. | 17:09 |
| Maaz | magespawn: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode | 17:09 |
| Kilos | hiya Waceman | 17:16 |
| Maaz | Kilos: By the way, magespawn on freenode told me "tell Kilos I got the Mythbuntu working. Look like the sound on the other motherboard in broken." 6 minutes and 12 seconds ago | 17:16 |
| Kilos | sorry went to eat | 17:16 |
| Kilos | hiya mag | 17:16 |
| Kilos | grrr | 17:17 |
| Waceman | hey Kilos | 17:19 |
| Kilos | hows things Waceman | 17:20 |
| Kilos | gonna be lonely here with superfly in the states on holiday | 17:24 |
| Kilos | hey plustwo long time no see | 17:24 |
| Kilos | Maaz, coffee on | 17:25 |
| * Maaz starts grinding coffee | 17:25 | |
| Waceman | things are ok thanks Kilos, and yourself? | 17:26 |
| Kilos | good ty Waceman | 17:26 |
| Waceman | I gave that PC away ... was my PC for about 10 years... was quite sad | 17:26 |
| Kilos | aw, like losing a friend hey? | 17:27 |
| Waceman | yeah, like losing a pet | 17:28 |
| Kilos | looks like 11.04 and up are gonna need good graphics cards | 17:28 |
| Waceman | ya, I'm on 11.04.. but still using classic interface... didn't enjoy unity | 17:28 |
| Kilos | installed on a spare drive and it went to classic but graphics was poor | 17:28 |
| Waceman | annoying hey | 17:29 |
| Kilos | yeah | 17:29 |
| Waceman | and I'm on lowest effects... turn them on, and it chugs | 17:29 |
| Kilos | even the card games looked yucky | 17:29 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for Kilos! | 17:29 |
| Kilos | Maaz, ty | 17:29 |
| Maaz | Enjoy Kilos | 17:29 |
| Kilos | i tried turning on those effects once and crashed the desktop | 17:30 |
| Kilos | so now i leave everything on default | 17:30 |
| Waceman | think I'll have some coffee Maaz | 17:31 |
| Kilos | will look if 11.10 is a bit more old graphics friendly some tome | 17:31 |
| Kilos | you gotta use his name first | 17:32 |
| Kilos | and the request is maaz cooffee please | 17:32 |
| Kilos | coffee | 17:32 |
| Waceman | haha | 17:32 |
| Kilos | hehe | 17:32 |
| Waceman | Maaz coffee now! | 17:32 |
| Maaz | Waceman: *blink* | 17:32 |
| Kilos | hi nuvolari | 17:33 |
| Kilos | he cheeky this bot of ours | 17:33 |
| nuvolari | o/ howdy | 17:34 |
| nuvolari | naand oom | 17:34 |
| nuvolari | lo Waceman | 17:34 |
| Waceman | lo nuvolari | 17:34 |
| Waceman | so what can this bot do? | 17:34 |
| Kilos | weather in most places | 17:35 |
| nuvolari | remember factoids | 17:35 |
| nuvolari | 17:35 | |
| Kilos | and does metings minutes | 17:35 |
| nuvolari | that and there was something in the meeting the other night | 17:36 |
| nuvolari | but I can't remember what that was | 17:36 |
| nuvolari | but also part of making a list I think | 17:36 |
| Kilos | and googles first four most relevant sites | 17:36 |
| Kilos | Maaz, weather in durban south africa | 17:36 |
| Maaz | Kilos: In La Mercy, South Africa at 7:00 PM SAST on November 01, 2011: 18°C; Humidity: 68%; Wind: South at 11 km/h; Conditions: Overcast; Sunrise/set: 5:01 AM SAST/6:17 PM SAST; Moonrise/set: 10:05 AM SAST/11:57 PM SAST | 17:36 |
| Kilos | Maaz, help | 17:37 |
| Maaz | Kilos: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff. | 17:37 |
| Maaz | Ask me "help me with ..." for more details. | 17:37 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: draw! | 17:37 |
| Maaz | nuvolari: You may only draw a weapon on the field of honour | 17:37 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: help with draw | 17:37 |
| Maaz | nuvolari: I'm afraid I don't know what you are asking about. Ask "what can you do" to browse my features. | 17:37 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: what can you do? | 17:38 |
| Maaz | nuvolari: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff. | 17:38 |
| Maaz | Ask me "help me with ..." for more details. | 17:38 |
| nuvolari | Waceman: ^^ | 17:38 |
| Waceman | oh wow | 17:39 |
| Waceman | Maaz help me with decisions | 17:39 |
| Maaz | Waceman: I use the following features for decisions: choose and poll | 17:39 |
| Maaz | Ask me "how do I use ..." for more details. | 17:39 |
| Waceman | Maaz: how do I choose | 17:40 |
| Maaz | Waceman: Choose one of the given options. You can use it like this: | 17:40 |
| Maaz | choose <choice> or <choice>... | 17:40 |
| Waceman | Maaz: choose blonde or brunette | 17:40 |
| Maaz | Waceman: I choose brunette | 17:40 |
| Waceman | Maaz: choose iPhone4 or Samsung Galaxy S II | 17:40 |
| Maaz | Waceman: I choose iPhone4 | 17:40 |
| Kilos | Maaz, how do i do software developement | 17:41 |
| Maaz | Kilos: I'm afraid I don't know what you are asking about. Ask "what can you do" to browse my features. | 17:41 |
| Kilos | eish | 17:41 |
| Waceman | Maaz: help me with browsing the internet | 17:41 |
| Maaz | Waceman: I use the following features for browsing the internet: bash, bible, feeds, fml, google, imdb, lastfm, lotto, microblog, mlia, oeis, rfc, tfln, tinyurl, translate, tvshow, weather and youtube | 17:41 |
| Maaz | Ask me "how do I use ..." for more details. | 17:41 |
| Waceman | how do I use youtube | 17:41 |
| Waceman | Maaz: how do I use youtube | 17:41 |
| Maaz | Waceman: Determine the title and a download URL for a Youtube Video. You can use it like this: | 17:41 |
| Maaz | <Youtube URL> | 17:41 |
| Waceman | anyone know the URL for justin bieber? ;) | 17:42 |
| Kilos | cool bot hey Waceman | 17:42 |
| Waceman | very cool | 17:42 |
| Waceman | kbmonkey left a message for me once with Maaz... so I started to talk to Maaz... when I found out he was a bot I laughed! | 17:43 |
| nuvolari | something is wrong with Maaz | 17:45 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: choose iOS or Android | 17:45 |
| Maaz | nuvolari: I choose Android | 17:45 |
| nuvolari | ok, no maaz is fine :P | 17:45 |
| Waceman | :P | 17:46 |
| Waceman | Maaz: choose Windows 7 or Ubuntu 11.10 | 17:46 |
| Maaz | Waceman: I choose Ubuntu 11.10 | 17:46 |
| Waceman | no, Maaz is fine | 17:46 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: choose ham && cheese | 17:47 |
| Maaz | nuvolari: I choose ham && cheese | 17:47 |
| nuvolari | oh wait | 17:47 |
| nuvolari | not much of a choice I guess | 17:47 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: choose ham and cheese || cheese and tomato | 17:47 |
| Maaz | nuvolari: I choose ham and cheese || cheese and tomato | 17:47 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: choose OR Tambo | 17:48 |
| Maaz | nuvolari: I choose OR Tambo | 17:48 |
| nuvolari | :P | 17:48 |
| nuvolari | ok, I'm stopping | 17:48 |
| Waceman | Maaz: choose nuvolari should stop or nuvolari should not stop | 17:49 |
| Maaz | Waceman: I choose nuvolari should stop | 17:49 |
| Kilos | lol | 17:50 |
| Waceman | Maaz: weather hotazel south africa | 17:51 |
| Maaz | Waceman: City not found | 17:51 |
| Waceman | Maaz: weather in poffadder south africa | 17:52 |
| Maaz | Waceman: City not found | 17:52 |
| Waceman | common Maaz! | 17:52 |
| Waceman | Maaz: weather in antartic | 17:53 |
| Maaz | Waceman: City not found | 17:53 |
| Waceman | poor spelling - I'll stop too | 17:53 |
| Kilos | eish Maaz got killed here | 17:58 |
| Kilos | Maaz, hi | 17:59 |
| * Maaz waves to Kilos | 17:59 | |
| Kilos | must find this guy and punch him | 18:02 |
| Kilos | Disconnected (Remote host closed socket). | 18:02 |
| Kilos | dunno what his surname is but he got a funny name | 18:02 |
| Kilos | mr. remote | 18:02 |
| Kilos | methinks i be back tomorrow. sleep tight guys | 18:04 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: tell Waceman about google | 18:08 |
| Maaz | nuvolari: Okay, I'll tell Waceman on freenode | 18:08 |
| nuvolari | :? | 18:08 |
| inetpro | good evening | 18:18 |
| inetpro | hmm... what's wrong with Kilos this evening? | 18:18 |
| nuvolari | hallo inetpro | 18:24 |
| nuvolari | not sure, think he's having signal problems :-/ | 18:24 |
| inetpro | ok | 18:25 |
| Tonberry | does oneiric have some fancy gateway finding network hack? | 20:53 |
| tumbleweed | no | 20:54 |
| Tonberry | because i have two friend suffering from it trying to use the wrong gateway | 20:54 |
| tumbleweed | they are using network-manager | 20:54 |
| tumbleweed | ? | 20:54 |
| Tonberry | im not certain | 20:55 |
| Tonberry | but the routing that packet macs are addressed to is not in the routing table | 20:55 |
| tumbleweed | gateway addresses are IP addresses, not MAC addresses | 20:55 |
| Tonberry | yes ons using network manager | 20:56 |
| Tonberry | yes | 20:56 |
| Tonberry | [22:21] <Merlin> Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface | 20:56 |
| Tonberry | [22:21] <Merlin> default 192.168.88.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 | 20:56 |
| Tonberry | is the default route | 20:56 |
| tumbleweed | is that right? | 20:56 |
| Tonberry | yes | 20:56 |
| Tonberry | the mac belongs to 10.20.78.1 | 20:56 |
| Tonberry | one router higher in the chain | 20:57 |
| Tonberry | but one this pc should not be aware of | 20:57 |
| tumbleweed | time to break out tcpdump and find out where that's coming from | 20:57 |
| Tonberry | 192.168.88.1 does NATting and packets directly sent to 10.20.78.1 are just dropped | 20:57 |
| tumbleweed | you sure you aren't accidentally bridging on that router? | 20:58 |
| Tonberry | the setup is slightly silly imho | 20:58 |
| tumbleweed | most network setups aare :/ | 20:58 |
| Tonberry | the interface is simultaneously on the 192.168 network and the 10.20.78 network | 20:58 |
| tumbleweed | that would be problematic | 20:59 |
| Tonberry | but the only default gateway setting is set to 192.168.88.1 | 20:59 |
| tumbleweed | ok | 20:59 |
| Tonberry | but for some reason for some destination addresses the packets are sent directly to 10.20.78.1 | 20:59 |
| Tonberry | but still with the 192.168 source address | 21:00 |
| tumbleweed | the only functional change I know of in oneiric was the addition of ipv6 | 21:00 |
| Tonberry | its an ipv4 only network so i doubt that should have much of an effect | 21:01 |
| tumbleweed | are the right mac addresses in the arp table? | 21:01 |
| Tonberry | yes | 21:01 |
| Tonberry | [22:23] <Merlin> 192.168.88.1 ether 00:0c:42:70:0d:6d C eth1 | 21:02 |
| Tonberry | [22:23] <Merlin> 10.20.78.1 ether 00:15:6d:64:87:85 C eth1 | 21:02 |
| tumbleweed | but you see packets to the outside world going to 00:15:6d:64:87:85 ? | 21:02 |
| Tonberry | yes | 21:02 |
| tumbleweed | nafc :/ | 21:02 |
| Tonberry | but only to hosts that seem to be used a lot | 21:02 |
| Tonberry | and only until a restart | 21:03 |
| Tonberry | then it works for a while | 21:03 |
| tumbleweed | but it's not intermittent? | 21:03 |
| cocooncrash | Tonberry: Is the ARP table sensible? | 21:03 |
| Tonberry | once it starts doing it for a specific dst address it does not stop until a restart | 21:04 |
| cocooncrash | (arp -n) | 21:04 |
| Tonberry | as far as we can tell | 21:04 |
| cocooncrash | Oh right, you pasted that | 21:04 |
| cocooncrash | Tonberry: What does the entire routing table look like? | 21:07 |
| cocooncrash | (ip route) | 21:07 |
| cocooncrash | Perhaps 10.20.78.1 is the gateway for certain ranges. | 21:07 |
| Tonberry | [23:07] <Merlin> jpmeijers@Katryn:~$ ip route | 21:08 |
| Tonberry | [23:07] <Merlin> default via 192.168.88.1 dev eth1 proto static | 21:08 |
| Tonberry | [23:07] <Merlin> 10.20.78.0/24 dev eth1 proto kernel scope link src 10.20.78.100 metric 1 | 21:08 |
| Tonberry | [23:07] <Merlin> 169.254.0.0/16 dev eth1 scope link metric 1000 | 21:08 |
| Tonberry | [23:07] <Merlin> 192.168.88.0/24 dev eth1 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.88.100 | 21:08 |
| cocooncrash | Tonberry: And you're testing to a public IP address? | 21:10 |
| Tonberry | yes | 21:10 |
| cocooncrash | i.e. not in 10/8, 192.168/16, etc. | 21:10 |
| Tonberry | ftp.sun.ac.za/146.232.65.10 | 21:10 |
| Tonberry | is the favourite test target at the moment | 21:11 |
| cocooncrash | Tonberry: ip route get 146.232.65.10 | 21:11 |
| Kerbero|2 | ok now there is something wrong | 21:11 |
| Kerbero|2 | to 146.232.65.10 i get the correct route | 21:12 |
| Kerbero|2 | but to fw.sun.ac.za/146.232.128.17 it is the wrong gateway | 21:12 |
| cocooncrash | Hrm, maybe you're getting ICMP redirects from the first gateway | 21:12 |
| Tonberry | [23:11] <Merlin> jpmeijers@Katryn:~$ ip route get 146.232.65.10 | 21:13 |
| Tonberry | [23:11] <Merlin> 146.232.65.10 via 192.168.88.1 dev eth1 src 192.168.88.100 | 21:13 |
| Tonberry | [23:11] <Merlin> cache ipid 0x9230 rtt 24ms rttvar 13ms cwnd 10 | 21:13 |
| Tonberry | [23:11] <Merlin> jpmeijers@Katryn:~$ ip route get 146.232.128.17 | 21:13 |
| Tonberry | [23:11] <Merlin> 146.232.128.17 via 10.20.78.1 dev eth1 src 192.168.88.100 | 21:13 |
| Tonberry | [23:11] <Merlin> cache <redirected> ipid 0x69f5 rtt 220ms rttvar 253ms cwnd 10 | 21:13 |
| cocooncrash | Whoa, that's interesting | 21:13 |
| Kerbero|2 | did tonberry already say i'm only getting this since i'm using 11.10 | 21:14 |
| Kerbero|2 | me and a friend both have the same issue | 21:14 |
| cocooncrash | Could still be ICMP redirects, hang on | 21:15 |
| Kerbero|2 | hmm | 21:15 |
| cocooncrash | Kerbero|2: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth1/accept_redirects | 21:16 |
| cocooncrash | On my natty system it defaults to 1 | 21:16 |
| Kerbero|2 | 1 | 21:16 |
| cocooncrash | Kerbero|2: Okay, try disabling that | 21:16 |
| cocooncrash | echo 0 | sudo tee /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth1/accept_redirects | 21:16 |
| Kerbero|2 | will have a look on a 10.04 system quickly | 21:17 |
| cocooncrash | I suspect that that changed recently | 21:17 |
| cocooncrash | Because I'm sure it defaulted to 0 before | 21:17 |
| Kerbero|2 | 1 on my 10.04 system too | 21:17 |
| cocooncrash | Oh, bleh | 21:17 |
| cocooncrash | Might be worth a shot still though | 21:18 |
| Kerbero|2 | will try yes | 21:18 |
| cocooncrash | Kerbero|2: To make it happen at boot up, add it to /etc/sysctl.conf | 21:19 |
| cocooncrash | net.ipv4.conf.all.accept_redirects = 0 | 21:19 |
| Kerbero|2 | guess i'll need to reset the connection now | 21:19 |
| Kerbero|2 | or is there a way to clear the redirects | 21:20 |
| Tonberry | route delete maybe? | 21:20 |
| Kerbero|2 | sudo ip route del ... | 21:21 |
| Kerbero|2 | hmm | 21:21 |
| Kerbero|2 | can't | 21:21 |
| Kerbero|2 | no such process | 21:21 |
| Kerbero|2 | ip route get 146.232.128.17 is stille stuck on <redirected> | 21:24 |
| Kerbero|2 | ...and 146.232.65.10 is doing it again | 21:27 |
| Kerbero|2 | the ip route get entry cahched from | 21:28 |
| Kerbero|2 | cache ipid 0x9230 rtt 24ms rttvar 13ms cwnd 10 | 21:28 |
| Kerbero|2 | to | 21:28 |
| Kerbero|2 | cache <redirected> ipid 0x9230 rtt 24ms rttvar 13ms cwnd 10 | 21:29 |
| Kerbero|2 | and via the wrong gateway | 21:29 |
| Kerbero|2 | so something must be doing the redirects | 21:29 |
| Kerbero|2 | even though i changed that parameter to 0 | 21:29 |
| cocooncrash | Kerbero|2: ip route flush cache | 21:30 |
| Kerbero|2 | already tried that too :P | 21:30 |
| Kerbero|2 | will do it again | 21:30 |
| cocooncrash | Kerbero|2: You changed accept_redirects on the client, not the gateway, right? | 21:30 |
| Kerbero|2 | jip | 21:30 |
| cocooncrash | Try setting /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/accept_redirects to 0 as well | 21:31 |
| Kerbero|2 | ok | 21:31 |
| Kerbero|2 | cocooncrash: do you know at what stage the redirect will be sent to me | 21:32 |
| cocooncrash | Kerbero|2: After the first packet | 21:32 |
| cocooncrash | Kerbero|2: Set secure_redirects to 0 as well | 21:33 |
| Kerbero|2 | so i should be able to capture them with tcpdump | 21:33 |
| cocooncrash | Yes, you should see it being sent by the gateway to the client | 21:34 |
| cocooncrash | Kerbero|2: ping should also display it for you | 21:34 |
| Kerbero|2 | hmm | 21:34 |
| Kerbero|2 | university IT departments like to block pings | 21:34 |
| cocooncrash | 64 bytes from 10.34.2.10: icmp_seq=1 ttl=63 time=7.99 ms | 21:35 |
| cocooncrash | From 172.17.0.12: icmp_seq=2 Redirect Host(New nexthop: 172.17.0.20) | 21:35 |
| Kerbero|2 | i have seen those before | 21:36 |
| Kerbero|2 | but not on my network | 21:36 |
| * Kerbero|2 running: tcpdump proto icmp-redirect | 21:39 | |
| Kerbero|2 | hopefully that is correct and will show something | 21:39 |
| cocooncrash | Kerbero|2: Not sure that that'll do what you want | 21:41 |
| cocooncrash | I'd just use 'tcpdump icmp' | 21:41 |
| Kerbero|2 | ok | 21:41 |
| cocooncrash | kbye | 21:46 |
| Kerbero|2 | o ok | 21:46 |
| Kerbero|2 | bye | 21:46 |
| Kerbero|2 | thanx for the help | 21:46 |
| Kerbero|2 | not seeing any redirect packets yet | 21:47 |
| Kerbero|2 | cocooncrash: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11416609 | 23:38 |
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