[00:34] <dLimit> Maaz, coffee on
[00:34]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[00:38] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for dLimit!
[00:40] <dLimit> Maaz, Thanks
[00:40] <Maaz> dLimit: Sure
[00:40] <dLimit> I needed that
[06:25] <plustwo> good morning all
[06:57] <Kilos> morning everyone
[07:06] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[07:06]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[07:10] <Kilos> Maaz, hurry
[07:10] <Maaz> Hey! Kilos Patience is a virtue, 
[07:10] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[07:11] <Kilos> oh my
[07:11] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks man
[07:11] <Maaz> Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)
[07:11] <Kilos> no bunch bot
[07:20] <Kilos> bad lag again today
[07:33] <nuvolari> o/ mornings
[07:33] <nuvolari> lo oom Kilos 
[09:19] <nlsthzn_work> o/
[10:46] <zeref> YawwnnN
[14:51] <Wolfeyes> good day all
[14:55] <sakhi> good day Wolfeyes 
[15:05] <Wolfeyes> How you doing sakhi ?
[15:06] <Wolfeyes> Sorry someone distracted me here
[15:55] <dLimit> Greetings
[16:04] <Kilos> evening all
[16:05] <dLimit> greets Kilos 
[16:06] <Kilos> ah we reached dLimit 
[16:06] <Kilos> how you
[16:09] <dLimit> I'm good thanks Kilos and yourself?
[16:09] <Kilos> good ty
[16:09] <dLimit> Whats new?
[16:10] <Kilos> dunno been very quiet and i been sleeping mosta the day
[16:10] <Kilos> and by you
[16:18] <dLimit> Keepin meself busy with metube
[16:23] <nlsthzn> o/
[16:31] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[16:31] <Kilos> whats metube
[16:31] <nlsthzn> hi Kilos 
[16:31] <Kilos> a personal kinda youtube
[16:52] <Kilos> lo MPD 
[17:02] <magespawn> howdy all
[17:06] <magespawn> Kilos you there?
[17:09] <magespawn> Maaz tell Kilos I got the Mythbuntu working. Look like the sound on the other motherboard in broken.
[17:09] <Maaz> magespawn: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[17:16] <Kilos> hiya Waceman 
[17:16] <Maaz> Kilos: By the way, magespawn on freenode told me "tell Kilos I got the Mythbuntu working. Look like the sound on the other motherboard in broken." 6 minutes and 12 seconds ago
[17:16] <Kilos> sorry went to eat
[17:16] <Kilos> hiya mag
[17:17] <Kilos> grrr
[17:19] <Waceman> hey Kilos
[17:20] <Kilos> hows things Waceman 
[17:24] <Kilos> gonna be lonely here with superfly in the states on holiday
[17:24] <Kilos> hey plustwo long time no see
[17:25] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[17:25]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[17:26] <Waceman> things are ok thanks Kilos, and yourself?
[17:26] <Kilos> good ty Waceman 
[17:26] <Waceman> I gave that PC away ... was my PC for about 10 years... was quite sad
[17:27] <Kilos> aw, like losing a friend hey?
[17:28] <Waceman> yeah, like losing a pet
[17:28] <Kilos> looks like 11.04 and up are gonna need good graphics cards
[17:28] <Waceman> ya, I'm on 11.04.. but still using classic interface... didn't enjoy unity
[17:28] <Kilos> installed on a spare drive and it went to classic but graphics was poor
[17:29] <Waceman> annoying hey
[17:29] <Kilos> yeah
[17:29] <Waceman> and I'm on lowest effects... turn them on, and it chugs
[17:29] <Kilos> even the card games looked yucky
[17:29] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[17:29] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[17:29] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[17:30] <Kilos> i tried turning on those effects once and crashed the desktop
[17:30] <Kilos> so now i leave everything on default
[17:31] <Waceman> think I'll have some coffee Maaz
[17:31] <Kilos> will look if 11.10 is a bit more old graphics friendly some tome
[17:32] <Kilos> you gotta use his name first
[17:32] <Kilos> and the request is   maaz cooffee please
[17:32] <Kilos> coffee
[17:32] <Waceman> haha
[17:32] <Kilos> hehe
[17:32] <Waceman> Maaz coffee now!
[17:32] <Maaz> Waceman: *blink*
[17:33] <Kilos> hi nuvolari 
[17:33] <Kilos> he cheeky this bot of ours
[17:34] <nuvolari> o/ howdy
[17:34] <nuvolari> naand oom
[17:34] <nuvolari> lo Waceman 
[17:34] <Waceman> lo nuvolari
[17:34] <Waceman> so what can this bot do?
[17:35] <Kilos> weather in most places
[17:35] <nuvolari> remember factoids
[17:35] <nuvolari> google
[17:35] <Kilos> and does metings minutes
[17:36] <nuvolari> that and there was something in the meeting the other night
[17:36] <nuvolari> but I can't remember what that was
[17:36] <nuvolari> but also part of making a list I think
[17:36] <Kilos> and googles first four most relevant sites
[17:36] <Kilos> Maaz, weather in durban south africa
[17:36] <Maaz> Kilos: In La Mercy, South Africa at 7:00 PM SAST on November 01, 2011: 18°C; Humidity: 68%; Wind: South at 11 km/h; Conditions: Overcast; Sunrise/set: 5:01 AM SAST/6:17 PM SAST; Moonrise/set: 10:05 AM SAST/11:57 PM SAST
[17:37] <Kilos> Maaz, help
[17:37] <Maaz> Kilos: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff.
[17:37] <Maaz> Ask me "help me with ..." for more details.
[17:37] <nuvolari> Maaz: draw!
[17:37] <Maaz> nuvolari: You may only draw a weapon on the field of honour
[17:37] <nuvolari> Maaz: help with draw
[17:37] <Maaz> nuvolari: I'm afraid I don't know what you are asking about. Ask "what can you do" to browse my features.
[17:38] <nuvolari> Maaz: what can you do?
[17:38] <Maaz> nuvolari: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff.
[17:38] <Maaz> Ask me "help me with ..." for more details.
[17:38] <nuvolari> Waceman: ^^
[17:39] <Waceman> oh wow
[17:39] <Waceman> Maaz help me with decisions
[17:39] <Maaz> Waceman: I use the following features for decisions: choose and poll
[17:39] <Maaz> Ask me "how do I use ..." for more details.
[17:40] <Waceman> Maaz: how do I choose
[17:40] <Maaz> Waceman: Choose one of the given options. You can use it like this:
[17:40] <Maaz>   choose <choice> or <choice>...
[17:40] <Waceman> Maaz: choose blonde or brunette
[17:40] <Maaz> Waceman: I choose brunette
[17:40] <Waceman> Maaz: choose iPhone4 or Samsung Galaxy S II
[17:40] <Maaz> Waceman: I choose iPhone4
[17:41] <Kilos> Maaz, how do i do software developement
[17:41] <Maaz> Kilos: I'm afraid I don't know what you are asking about. Ask "what can you do" to browse my features.
[17:41] <Kilos> eish
[17:41] <Waceman> Maaz: help me with browsing the internet
[17:41] <Maaz> Waceman: I use the following features for browsing the internet: bash, bible, feeds, fml, google, imdb, lastfm, lotto, microblog, mlia, oeis, rfc, tfln, tinyurl, translate, tvshow, weather and youtube
[17:41] <Maaz> Ask me "how do I use ..." for more details.
[17:41] <Waceman> how do I use youtube
[17:41] <Waceman> Maaz: how do I use youtube
[17:41] <Maaz> Waceman: Determine the title and a download URL for a Youtube Video. You can use it like this:
[17:41] <Maaz>   <Youtube URL>
[17:42] <Waceman> anyone know the URL for justin bieber? ;)
[17:42] <Kilos> cool bot hey Waceman 
[17:42] <Waceman> very cool
[17:43] <Waceman> kbmonkey left a message for me once with Maaz... so I started to talk to Maaz... when I found out he was a bot I laughed!
[17:45] <nuvolari> something is wrong with Maaz 
[17:45] <nuvolari> Maaz: choose iOS or Android
[17:45] <Maaz> nuvolari: I choose Android
[17:45] <nuvolari> ok, no maaz is fine :P
[17:46] <Waceman> :P
[17:46] <Waceman> Maaz: choose Windows 7 or Ubuntu 11.10
[17:46] <Maaz> Waceman: I choose Ubuntu 11.10
[17:46] <Waceman> no, Maaz is fine
[17:47] <nuvolari> Maaz: choose ham && cheese
[17:47] <Maaz> nuvolari: I choose ham && cheese
[17:47] <nuvolari> oh wait
[17:47] <nuvolari> not much of a choice I guess
[17:47] <nuvolari> Maaz: choose ham and cheese || cheese and tomato
[17:47] <Maaz> nuvolari: I choose ham and cheese || cheese and tomato
[17:48] <nuvolari> Maaz: choose OR Tambo 
[17:48] <Maaz> nuvolari: I choose OR Tambo
[17:48] <nuvolari> :P
[17:48] <nuvolari> ok, I'm stopping
[17:49] <Waceman> Maaz: choose nuvolari should stop or nuvolari should not stop
[17:49] <Maaz> Waceman: I choose nuvolari should stop
[17:50] <Kilos> lol
[17:51] <Waceman> Maaz: weather hotazel south africa
[17:51] <Maaz> Waceman: City not found
[17:52] <Waceman> Maaz: weather in poffadder south africa
[17:52] <Maaz> Waceman: City not found
[17:52] <Waceman> common Maaz!
[17:53] <Waceman> Maaz: weather in antartic
[17:53] <Maaz> Waceman: City not found
[17:53] <Waceman> poor spelling - I'll stop too
[17:58] <Kilos> eish Maaz got killed here
[17:59] <Kilos> Maaz, hi
[17:59]  * Maaz waves to Kilos
[18:02] <Kilos> must find this guy and punch him
[18:02] <Kilos> Disconnected (Remote host closed socket).
[18:02] <Kilos> dunno what his surname is but he got a funny name
[18:02] <Kilos> mr. remote
[18:04] <Kilos> methinks i be back tomorrow. sleep tight guys
[18:08] <nuvolari> Maaz: tell Waceman about google
[18:08] <Maaz> nuvolari: Okay, I'll tell Waceman on freenode
[18:08] <nuvolari> :?
[18:18] <inetpro> good evening
[18:18] <inetpro> hmm... what's wrong with Kilos this evening?
[18:24] <nuvolari> hallo inetpro 
[18:24] <nuvolari> not sure, think he's having signal problems :-/
[18:25] <inetpro> ok
[20:53] <Tonberry> does oneiric have some fancy gateway finding network hack?
[20:54] <tumbleweed> no
[20:54] <Tonberry> because i have two friend suffering from it trying to use the wrong gateway
[20:54] <tumbleweed> they are using network-manager
[20:54] <tumbleweed> ?
[20:55] <Tonberry> im not certain
[20:55] <Tonberry> but the routing that packet macs are addressed to is not in the routing table
[20:55] <tumbleweed> gateway addresses are IP addresses, not MAC addresses
[20:56] <Tonberry> yes ons using network manager
[20:56] <Tonberry> yes
[20:56] <Tonberry> [22:21] <Merlin> Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
[20:56] <Tonberry> [22:21] <Merlin> default         192.168.88.1    0.0.0.0         UG    0      0        0 eth1
[20:56] <Tonberry> is the default route
[20:56] <tumbleweed> is that right?
[20:56] <Tonberry> yes
[20:56] <Tonberry> the mac belongs to 10.20.78.1
[20:57] <Tonberry> one router higher in the chain
[20:57] <Tonberry> but one this pc should not be aware of
[20:57] <tumbleweed> time to break out tcpdump and find out where that's coming from
[20:57] <Tonberry> 192.168.88.1 does NATting and packets directly sent to 10.20.78.1 are just dropped
[20:58] <tumbleweed> you sure you aren't accidentally bridging on that router?
[20:58] <Tonberry> the setup is slightly silly imho
[20:58] <tumbleweed> most network setups aare :/
[20:58] <Tonberry> the interface is simultaneously on the 192.168 network and the 10.20.78 network
[20:59] <tumbleweed> that would be problematic
[20:59] <Tonberry> but the only default gateway setting is set to 192.168.88.1
[20:59] <tumbleweed> ok
[20:59] <Tonberry> but for some reason for some destination addresses the packets are sent directly to 10.20.78.1
[21:00] <Tonberry> but still with the 192.168 source address
[21:00] <tumbleweed> the only functional change I know of in oneiric was the addition of ipv6
[21:01] <Tonberry> its an ipv4 only network so i doubt that should have much of an effect
[21:01] <tumbleweed> are the right mac addresses in the arp table?
[21:01] <Tonberry> yes
[21:02] <Tonberry> [22:23] <Merlin> 192.168.88.1             ether   00:0c:42:70:0d:6d   C                     eth1
[21:02] <Tonberry> [22:23] <Merlin> 10.20.78.1               ether   00:15:6d:64:87:85   C                     eth1
[21:02] <tumbleweed> but you see packets to the outside world going to 00:15:6d:64:87:85 ?
[21:02] <Tonberry> yes
[21:02] <tumbleweed> nafc :/
[21:02] <Tonberry> but only to hosts that seem to be used a lot
[21:03] <Tonberry> and only until a restart
[21:03] <Tonberry> then it works for a while
[21:03] <tumbleweed> but it's not intermittent?
[21:03] <cocooncrash> Tonberry: Is the ARP table sensible?
[21:04] <Tonberry> once it starts doing it for a specific dst address it does not stop until a restart
[21:04] <cocooncrash> (arp -n)
[21:04] <Tonberry> as far as we can tell
[21:04] <cocooncrash> Oh right, you pasted that
[21:07] <cocooncrash> Tonberry: What does the entire routing table look like?
[21:07] <cocooncrash> (ip route)
[21:07] <cocooncrash> Perhaps 10.20.78.1 is the gateway for certain ranges.
[21:08] <Tonberry> [23:07] <Merlin> jpmeijers@Katryn:~$ ip route
[21:08] <Tonberry> [23:07] <Merlin> default via 192.168.88.1 dev eth1  proto static 
[21:08] <Tonberry> [23:07] <Merlin> 10.20.78.0/24 dev eth1  proto kernel  scope link  src 10.20.78.100  metric 1 
[21:08] <Tonberry> [23:07] <Merlin> 169.254.0.0/16 dev eth1  scope link  metric 1000 
[21:08] <Tonberry> [23:07] <Merlin> 192.168.88.0/24 dev eth1  proto kernel  scope link  src 192.168.88.100 
[21:10] <cocooncrash> Tonberry: And you're testing to a public IP address?
[21:10] <Tonberry> yes
[21:10] <cocooncrash> i.e. not in 10/8, 192.168/16, etc.
[21:10] <Tonberry> ftp.sun.ac.za/146.232.65.10
[21:11] <Tonberry> is the favourite test target at the moment
[21:11] <cocooncrash> Tonberry: ip route get 146.232.65.10
[21:11] <Kerbero|2> ok now there is something wrong
[21:12] <Kerbero|2> to 146.232.65.10 i get the correct route
[21:12] <Kerbero|2> but to fw.sun.ac.za/146.232.128.17 it is the wrong gateway
[21:12] <cocooncrash> Hrm, maybe you're getting ICMP redirects from the first gateway
[21:13] <Tonberry> [23:11] <Merlin> jpmeijers@Katryn:~$ ip route get 146.232.65.10
[21:13] <Tonberry> [23:11] <Merlin> 146.232.65.10 via 192.168.88.1 dev eth1  src 192.168.88.100 
[21:13] <Tonberry> [23:11] <Merlin>     cache  ipid 0x9230 rtt 24ms rttvar 13ms cwnd 10
[21:13] <Tonberry> [23:11] <Merlin> jpmeijers@Katryn:~$ ip route get 146.232.128.17
[21:13] <Tonberry> [23:11] <Merlin> 146.232.128.17 via 10.20.78.1 dev eth1  src 192.168.88.100 
[21:13] <Tonberry> [23:11] <Merlin>     cache <redirected>  ipid 0x69f5 rtt 220ms rttvar 253ms cwnd 10
[21:13] <cocooncrash> Whoa, that's interesting
[21:14] <Kerbero|2> did tonberry already say i'm only getting this since i'm using 11.10
[21:14] <Kerbero|2> me and a friend both have the same issue
[21:15] <cocooncrash> Could still be ICMP redirects, hang on
[21:15] <Kerbero|2> hmm
[21:16] <cocooncrash> Kerbero|2: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth1/accept_redirects
[21:16] <cocooncrash> On my natty system it defaults to 1
[21:16] <Kerbero|2> 1
[21:16] <cocooncrash> Kerbero|2: Okay, try disabling that
[21:16] <cocooncrash> echo 0 | sudo tee /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth1/accept_redirects
[21:17] <Kerbero|2> will have a look on a 10.04 system quickly
[21:17] <cocooncrash> I suspect that that changed recently
[21:17] <cocooncrash> Because I'm sure it defaulted to 0 before
[21:17] <Kerbero|2> 1 on my 10.04 system too
[21:17] <cocooncrash> Oh, bleh
[21:18] <cocooncrash> Might be worth a shot still though
[21:18] <Kerbero|2> will try yes
[21:19] <cocooncrash> Kerbero|2: To make it happen at boot up, add it to /etc/sysctl.conf
[21:19] <cocooncrash> net.ipv4.conf.all.accept_redirects = 0
[21:19] <Kerbero|2> guess i'll need to reset the connection now
[21:20] <Kerbero|2> or is there a way to clear the redirects
[21:20] <Tonberry> route delete maybe?
[21:21] <Kerbero|2> sudo ip route del ...
[21:21] <Kerbero|2> hmm
[21:21] <Kerbero|2> can't
[21:21] <Kerbero|2> no such process
[21:24] <Kerbero|2> ip route get 146.232.128.17 is stille stuck on <redirected>
[21:27] <Kerbero|2> ...and 146.232.65.10 is doing it again
[21:28] <Kerbero|2> the ip route get entry cahched from
[21:28] <Kerbero|2> cache ipid 0x9230 rtt 24ms rttvar 13ms cwnd 10
[21:28] <Kerbero|2> to
[21:29] <Kerbero|2> cache <redirected> ipid 0x9230 rtt 24ms rttvar 13ms cwnd 10
[21:29] <Kerbero|2> and via the wrong gateway
[21:29] <Kerbero|2> so something must be doing the redirects
[21:29] <Kerbero|2> even though i changed that parameter to 0
[21:30] <cocooncrash> Kerbero|2: ip route flush cache
[21:30] <Kerbero|2> already tried that too :P
[21:30] <Kerbero|2> will do it again
[21:30] <cocooncrash> Kerbero|2: You changed accept_redirects on the client, not the gateway, right?
[21:30] <Kerbero|2> jip
[21:31] <cocooncrash> Try setting /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/accept_redirects to 0 as well
[21:31] <Kerbero|2> ok
[21:32] <Kerbero|2> cocooncrash: do you know at what stage the redirect will be sent to me
[21:32] <cocooncrash> Kerbero|2: After the first packet
[21:33] <cocooncrash> Kerbero|2: Set secure_redirects to 0 as well
[21:33] <Kerbero|2> so i should be able to capture them with tcpdump
[21:34] <cocooncrash> Yes, you should see it being sent by the gateway to the client
[21:34] <cocooncrash> Kerbero|2: ping should also display it for you
[21:34] <Kerbero|2> hmm
[21:34] <Kerbero|2> university IT departments like to block pings
[21:35] <cocooncrash> 64 bytes from 10.34.2.10: icmp_seq=1 ttl=63 time=7.99 ms
[21:35] <cocooncrash> From 172.17.0.12: icmp_seq=2 Redirect Host(New nexthop: 172.17.0.20)
[21:36] <Kerbero|2> i have seen those before
[21:36] <Kerbero|2> but not on my network
[21:39]  * Kerbero|2 running: tcpdump proto icmp-redirect
[21:39] <Kerbero|2> hopefully that is correct and will show something
[21:41] <cocooncrash> Kerbero|2: Not sure that that'll do what you want
[21:41] <cocooncrash> I'd just use 'tcpdump icmp'
[21:41] <Kerbero|2> ok
[21:46] <cocooncrash> kbye
[21:46] <Kerbero|2> o ok
[21:46] <Kerbero|2> bye
[21:46] <Kerbero|2> thanx for the help
[21:47] <Kerbero|2> not seeing any redirect packets yet
[23:38] <Kerbero|2> cocooncrash: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11416609