[00:34] Maaz, coffee on [00:34] * Maaz puts the kettle on [00:38] Coffee's ready for dLimit! [00:40] Maaz, Thanks [00:40] dLimit: Sure [00:40] I needed that [06:25] good morning all [06:57] morning everyone [07:06] Maaz, coffee on [07:06] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [07:10] Maaz, hurry [07:10] Hey! Kilos Patience is a virtue, [07:10] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [07:11] oh my [07:11] Maaz, thanks man [07:11] Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-) [07:11] no bunch bot [07:20] bad lag again today [07:33] o/ mornings [07:33] lo oom Kilos === nlsthzn_ is now known as nlsthzn_work [09:19] o/ [10:46] YawwnnN [14:51] good day all [14:55] good day Wolfeyes [15:05] How you doing sakhi ? [15:06] Sorry someone distracted me here [15:55] Greetings [16:04] evening all [16:05] greets Kilos [16:06] ah we reached dLimit [16:06] how you [16:09] I'm good thanks Kilos and yourself? [16:09] good ty [16:09] Whats new? [16:10] dunno been very quiet and i been sleeping mosta the day [16:10] and by you [16:18] Keepin meself busy with metube [16:23] o/ === locobot_2_2 is now known as locobot_2 [16:31] hi nlsthzn [16:31] whats metube [16:31] hi Kilos [16:31] a personal kinda youtube [16:52] lo MPD [17:02] howdy all [17:06] Kilos you there? [17:09] Maaz tell Kilos I got the Mythbuntu working. Look like the sound on the other motherboard in broken. [17:09] magespawn: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode [17:16] hiya Waceman [17:16] Kilos: By the way, magespawn on freenode told me "tell Kilos I got the Mythbuntu working. Look like the sound on the other motherboard in broken." 6 minutes and 12 seconds ago [17:16] sorry went to eat [17:16] hiya mag [17:17] grrr [17:19] hey Kilos [17:20] hows things Waceman [17:24] gonna be lonely here with superfly in the states on holiday [17:24] hey plustwo long time no see [17:25] Maaz, coffee on [17:25] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [17:26] things are ok thanks Kilos, and yourself? [17:26] good ty Waceman [17:26] I gave that PC away ... was my PC for about 10 years... was quite sad [17:27] aw, like losing a friend hey? [17:28] yeah, like losing a pet [17:28] looks like 11.04 and up are gonna need good graphics cards [17:28] ya, I'm on 11.04.. but still using classic interface... didn't enjoy unity [17:28] installed on a spare drive and it went to classic but graphics was poor [17:29] annoying hey [17:29] yeah [17:29] and I'm on lowest effects... turn them on, and it chugs [17:29] even the card games looked yucky [17:29] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [17:29] Maaz, ty [17:29] Enjoy Kilos [17:30] i tried turning on those effects once and crashed the desktop [17:30] so now i leave everything on default [17:31] think I'll have some coffee Maaz [17:31] will look if 11.10 is a bit more old graphics friendly some tome [17:32] you gotta use his name first [17:32] and the request is maaz cooffee please [17:32] coffee [17:32] haha [17:32] hehe [17:32] Maaz coffee now! [17:32] Waceman: *blink* [17:33] hi nuvolari [17:33] he cheeky this bot of ours [17:34] o/ howdy [17:34] naand oom [17:34] lo Waceman [17:34] lo nuvolari [17:34] so what can this bot do? [17:35] weather in most places [17:35] remember factoids [17:35] google [17:35] and does metings minutes [17:36] that and there was something in the meeting the other night [17:36] but I can't remember what that was [17:36] but also part of making a list I think [17:36] and googles first four most relevant sites [17:36] Maaz, weather in durban south africa [17:36] Kilos: In La Mercy, South Africa at 7:00 PM SAST on November 01, 2011: 18°C; Humidity: 68%; Wind: South at 11 km/h; Conditions: Overcast; Sunrise/set: 5:01 AM SAST/6:17 PM SAST; Moonrise/set: 10:05 AM SAST/11:57 PM SAST [17:37] Maaz, help [17:37] Kilos: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff. [17:37] Ask me "help me with ..." for more details. [17:37] Maaz: draw! [17:37] nuvolari: You may only draw a weapon on the field of honour [17:37] Maaz: help with draw [17:37] nuvolari: I'm afraid I don't know what you are asking about. Ask "what can you do" to browse my features. [17:38] Maaz: what can you do? [17:38] nuvolari: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff. [17:38] Ask me "help me with ..." for more details. [17:38] Waceman: ^^ [17:39] oh wow [17:39] Maaz help me with decisions [17:39] Waceman: I use the following features for decisions: choose and poll [17:39] Ask me "how do I use ..." for more details. [17:40] Maaz: how do I choose [17:40] Waceman: Choose one of the given options. You can use it like this: [17:40] choose or ... [17:40] Maaz: choose blonde or brunette [17:40] Waceman: I choose brunette [17:40] Maaz: choose iPhone4 or Samsung Galaxy S II [17:40] Waceman: I choose iPhone4 [17:41] Maaz, how do i do software developement [17:41] Kilos: I'm afraid I don't know what you are asking about. Ask "what can you do" to browse my features. [17:41] eish [17:41] Maaz: help me with browsing the internet [17:41] Waceman: I use the following features for browsing the internet: bash, bible, feeds, fml, google, imdb, lastfm, lotto, microblog, mlia, oeis, rfc, tfln, tinyurl, translate, tvshow, weather and youtube [17:41] Ask me "how do I use ..." for more details. [17:41] how do I use youtube [17:41] Maaz: how do I use youtube [17:41] Waceman: Determine the title and a download URL for a Youtube Video. You can use it like this: [17:41] [17:42] anyone know the URL for justin bieber? ;) [17:42] cool bot hey Waceman [17:42] very cool [17:43] kbmonkey left a message for me once with Maaz... so I started to talk to Maaz... when I found out he was a bot I laughed! [17:45] something is wrong with Maaz [17:45] Maaz: choose iOS or Android [17:45] nuvolari: I choose Android [17:45] ok, no maaz is fine :P [17:46] :P [17:46] Maaz: choose Windows 7 or Ubuntu 11.10 [17:46] Waceman: I choose Ubuntu 11.10 [17:46] no, Maaz is fine [17:47] Maaz: choose ham && cheese [17:47] nuvolari: I choose ham && cheese [17:47] oh wait [17:47] not much of a choice I guess [17:47] Maaz: choose ham and cheese || cheese and tomato [17:47] nuvolari: I choose ham and cheese || cheese and tomato [17:48] Maaz: choose OR Tambo [17:48] nuvolari: I choose OR Tambo [17:48] :P [17:48] ok, I'm stopping [17:49] Maaz: choose nuvolari should stop or nuvolari should not stop [17:49] Waceman: I choose nuvolari should stop [17:50] lol [17:51] Maaz: weather hotazel south africa [17:51] Waceman: City not found [17:52] Maaz: weather in poffadder south africa [17:52] Waceman: City not found [17:52] common Maaz! [17:53] Maaz: weather in antartic [17:53] Waceman: City not found [17:53] poor spelling - I'll stop too [17:58] eish Maaz got killed here [17:59] Maaz, hi [17:59] * Maaz waves to Kilos [18:02] must find this guy and punch him [18:02] Disconnected (Remote host closed socket). [18:02] dunno what his surname is but he got a funny name [18:02] mr. remote [18:04] methinks i be back tomorrow. sleep tight guys [18:08] Maaz: tell Waceman about google [18:08] nuvolari: Okay, I'll tell Waceman on freenode [18:08] :? [18:18] good evening [18:18] hmm... what's wrong with Kilos this evening? [18:24] hallo inetpro [18:24] not sure, think he's having signal problems :-/ [18:25] ok [20:53] does oneiric have some fancy gateway finding network hack? [20:54] no [20:54] because i have two friend suffering from it trying to use the wrong gateway [20:54] they are using network-manager [20:54] ? [20:55] im not certain [20:55] but the routing that packet macs are addressed to is not in the routing table [20:55] gateway addresses are IP addresses, not MAC addresses [20:56] yes ons using network manager [20:56] yes [20:56] [22:21] Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface [20:56] [22:21] default 192.168.88.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 [20:56] is the default route [20:56] is that right? [20:56] yes [20:56] the mac belongs to 10.20.78.1 [20:57] one router higher in the chain [20:57] but one this pc should not be aware of [20:57] time to break out tcpdump and find out where that's coming from [20:57] 192.168.88.1 does NATting and packets directly sent to 10.20.78.1 are just dropped [20:58] you sure you aren't accidentally bridging on that router? [20:58] the setup is slightly silly imho [20:58] most network setups aare :/ [20:58] the interface is simultaneously on the 192.168 network and the 10.20.78 network [20:59] that would be problematic [20:59] but the only default gateway setting is set to 192.168.88.1 [20:59] ok [20:59] but for some reason for some destination addresses the packets are sent directly to 10.20.78.1 [21:00] but still with the 192.168 source address [21:00] the only functional change I know of in oneiric was the addition of ipv6 [21:01] its an ipv4 only network so i doubt that should have much of an effect [21:01] are the right mac addresses in the arp table? [21:01] yes [21:02] [22:23] 192.168.88.1 ether 00:0c:42:70:0d:6d C eth1 [21:02] [22:23] 10.20.78.1 ether 00:15:6d:64:87:85 C eth1 [21:02] but you see packets to the outside world going to 00:15:6d:64:87:85 ? [21:02] yes [21:02] nafc :/ [21:02] but only to hosts that seem to be used a lot [21:03] and only until a restart [21:03] then it works for a while [21:03] but it's not intermittent? [21:03] Tonberry: Is the ARP table sensible? [21:04] once it starts doing it for a specific dst address it does not stop until a restart [21:04] (arp -n) [21:04] as far as we can tell [21:04] Oh right, you pasted that [21:07] Tonberry: What does the entire routing table look like? [21:07] (ip route) [21:07] Perhaps 10.20.78.1 is the gateway for certain ranges. [21:08] [23:07] jpmeijers@Katryn:~$ ip route [21:08] [23:07] default via 192.168.88.1 dev eth1 proto static [21:08] [23:07] 10.20.78.0/24 dev eth1 proto kernel scope link src 10.20.78.100 metric 1 [21:08] [23:07] 169.254.0.0/16 dev eth1 scope link metric 1000 [21:08] [23:07] 192.168.88.0/24 dev eth1 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.88.100 [21:10] Tonberry: And you're testing to a public IP address? [21:10] yes [21:10] i.e. not in 10/8, 192.168/16, etc. [21:10] ftp.sun.ac.za/146.232.65.10 [21:11] is the favourite test target at the moment [21:11] Tonberry: ip route get 146.232.65.10 [21:11] ok now there is something wrong [21:12] to 146.232.65.10 i get the correct route [21:12] but to fw.sun.ac.za/146.232.128.17 it is the wrong gateway [21:12] Hrm, maybe you're getting ICMP redirects from the first gateway [21:13] [23:11] jpmeijers@Katryn:~$ ip route get 146.232.65.10 [21:13] [23:11] 146.232.65.10 via 192.168.88.1 dev eth1 src 192.168.88.100 [21:13] [23:11] cache ipid 0x9230 rtt 24ms rttvar 13ms cwnd 10 [21:13] [23:11] jpmeijers@Katryn:~$ ip route get 146.232.128.17 [21:13] [23:11] 146.232.128.17 via 10.20.78.1 dev eth1 src 192.168.88.100 [21:13] [23:11] cache ipid 0x69f5 rtt 220ms rttvar 253ms cwnd 10 [21:13] Whoa, that's interesting [21:14] did tonberry already say i'm only getting this since i'm using 11.10 [21:14] me and a friend both have the same issue [21:15] Could still be ICMP redirects, hang on [21:15] hmm [21:16] Kerbero|2: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth1/accept_redirects [21:16] On my natty system it defaults to 1 [21:16] 1 [21:16] Kerbero|2: Okay, try disabling that [21:16] echo 0 | sudo tee /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth1/accept_redirects [21:17] will have a look on a 10.04 system quickly [21:17] I suspect that that changed recently [21:17] Because I'm sure it defaulted to 0 before [21:17] 1 on my 10.04 system too [21:17] Oh, bleh [21:18] Might be worth a shot still though [21:18] will try yes [21:19] Kerbero|2: To make it happen at boot up, add it to /etc/sysctl.conf [21:19] net.ipv4.conf.all.accept_redirects = 0 [21:19] guess i'll need to reset the connection now [21:20] or is there a way to clear the redirects [21:20] route delete maybe? [21:21] sudo ip route del ... [21:21] hmm [21:21] can't [21:21] no such process [21:24] ip route get 146.232.128.17 is stille stuck on [21:27] ...and 146.232.65.10 is doing it again [21:28] the ip route get entry cahched from [21:28] cache ipid 0x9230 rtt 24ms rttvar 13ms cwnd 10 [21:28] to [21:29] cache ipid 0x9230 rtt 24ms rttvar 13ms cwnd 10 [21:29] and via the wrong gateway [21:29] so something must be doing the redirects [21:29] even though i changed that parameter to 0 [21:30] Kerbero|2: ip route flush cache [21:30] already tried that too :P [21:30] will do it again [21:30] Kerbero|2: You changed accept_redirects on the client, not the gateway, right? [21:30] jip [21:31] Try setting /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/accept_redirects to 0 as well [21:31] ok [21:32] cocooncrash: do you know at what stage the redirect will be sent to me [21:32] Kerbero|2: After the first packet [21:33] Kerbero|2: Set secure_redirects to 0 as well [21:33] so i should be able to capture them with tcpdump [21:34] Yes, you should see it being sent by the gateway to the client [21:34] Kerbero|2: ping should also display it for you [21:34] hmm [21:34] university IT departments like to block pings [21:35] 64 bytes from 10.34.2.10: icmp_seq=1 ttl=63 time=7.99 ms [21:35] From 172.17.0.12: icmp_seq=2 Redirect Host(New nexthop: 172.17.0.20) [21:36] i have seen those before [21:36] but not on my network [21:39] * Kerbero|2 running: tcpdump proto icmp-redirect [21:39] hopefully that is correct and will show something [21:41] Kerbero|2: Not sure that that'll do what you want [21:41] I'd just use 'tcpdump icmp' [21:41] ok [21:46] kbye [21:46] o ok [21:46] bye [21:46] thanx for the help [21:47] not seeing any redirect packets yet [23:38] cocooncrash: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11416609