[18:20] <project2501b> hey guys. i am reading the "getting started" page. this makes no sense, syntactically speaking:You can change the settings for where a job's output goes, and where its input comes from, with the console stanza. This should be one of output (input and output from /dev/console), owner (as output and Control-C also sent the process)
[18:20] <project2501b> as output and control-c also sent the process?
[18:21] <jhunt> project2501b: if you don't have any special requirements, just don't specify the console stanza which will discard any output from the job.
[18:22] <jhunt> project2501b: there's a new feature that will be available soon that adds 'console log' such that any output from a job can be logged to a file.
[18:22] <jhunt> project2501b: You may want to see the cookbook rather than the (dated) "Getting Started" page: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/
[18:23] <project2501b> jhunt: cool beans, dude
[18:23] <project2501b> jhunt:  i am using upstart in a 20k core bioinformatics cluster.
[18:23] <project2501b> great way to test if the node is within required parameters :D
[18:23] <project2501b> jhunt:  but i am talking about the wording in the page
[18:24] <jhunt> project2501b: now *that* sounds like cool beans to me! :)
[18:24] <project2501b> it might be my english, but to me that sentence makes no sense
[18:24] <project2501b> "also sent the process"? 
[18:24] <project2501b> you mean "are also sent to the process"?
[18:24] <jhunt> project2501b: try "man 5 init" and searching for "console". init(5) is "the bible" for Upstart.
[18:25] <project2501b> jhunt:  with a raid 6+0 over ssds, i managed to reduce the boot up time of the entire cluster from 5 hours down to 40 minutes :p
[18:26] <project2501b> jhunt:  i get it about init. i am saying that the wording on the page, might be erroneous 
[18:26] <project2501b> jhunt:  and i am asking, i guess, for confirmation, if you think the wording is also wrong or not.
[18:27] <project2501b> http://upstart.ubuntu.com/getting-started.html
[18:29] <jhunt> project2501b: fixed.
[18:30] <project2501b> ok! :D
[18:30] <project2501b> beer, bacon, linux and cute german women around me. what else could i ask?
[18:30] <project2501b> thanks man :)
[18:31] <jhunt> project2501b: np. are you running Ubuntu on this cluster?
[18:31] <project2501b> no. Debian
[18:31] <jhunt> so, you're probably using a pretty old version of upstart. We're trying to rectify that atm...
[18:32] <project2501b> i do not agree with the Ubuntu philosophy nor do i agree with the philosophy of its users.
[18:32] <project2501b> neither do i think that canonical is doing a good job
[18:32] <project2501b> jhunt:  no prob, i am running wheezy
[18:33] <project2501b> but upstart is the right way out of the monolithic age, for sure.
[18:33] <project2501b> with so many cores, why not put them to use?
[18:34] <project2501b> jhunt: if i make another suggestion, you are saying at the end of the page "Events can taken arguments (passed on the emit command-line) in the form of environment variables."
[18:34] <jhunt> project2501b: of course. if you're allowed to (?), maybe you could blog about that setup?
[18:35] <project2501b> you might want to put an example there to clarify it, and leave everything else for the full guide. 
[18:35] <project2501b> other than that, i think the getting started guide is quite excellent.
[18:35] <project2501b> jhunt:  love to, not allowed to.
[18:35] <project2501b> uni i work for is kinda hush hush for its resources.
[18:35] <project2501b> but you may see me in SC11
[18:36] <jhunt> project2501b: the material on upstart.ubuntu.com needs to be folded into the cookbook since this is where we are concentrating our efforts. You can download a pdf of the entire cookbook if you want to read offline. Rest assured we will tidy up that top-level site "real soon now" :)
[18:36] <jhunt> project2501b: noted.
[18:36] <project2501b> cookbook? do i smell an oreilly cookbook? :D
[18:36] <jhunt> That wasn't the original plan, but who knows?
[18:37] <project2501b> heh. 
[18:37] <project2501b> upstart and gnu parallel. let's see if we can make a map reduce function in shell.
[18:37] <project2501b> jhunt:  thank you :)
[18:37] <jhunt> project2501b: np - any time.