[00:00] <astartoth> i'll try running the .iso on a kvm maching
[00:00] <astartoth> machine
[00:05] <astartoth> etc/default/grub just shows "quiet splash"
[00:07] <juxta> I accidentally wiped my sources.list in xubuntu. Will a sources.list from regular ubuntu work ok, or are the addresses different?
[00:26] <sstoveld> hi there, can anyone help with a dual monitor setup question?
[00:27] <knome> !ask
[00:29] <sstoveld> hah ok, well i'm trying to set up dual monitors here, my primary being on the right. i don't see any options in the Settings Manager > Display settings. it recognizes both monitors, but i don't see an option for extending the display. right now it just mirrors the display. any help?
[00:29] <knome> ati or nvidia?
[00:29] <sstoveld> ati 6870
[00:30] <knome> see xrandr
[00:31] <sstoveld> sorry? could you be more specific? what about xrandr?
[00:32] <knome> with xrandr, you can configure the monitors
[00:33] <knome> something like xrandr --output DVI-2 --left-of DVI-1
[00:33] <sstoveld> oh ok
[00:34] <sstoveld> so i can run a command from terminal, say, xrandr --output CRT1 --left-of DFP3?
[00:34] <knome> yes
[00:35] <sstoveld> ok, when i try running this command, i get this error: xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1280x1280 (desired size 2560x1024)
[00:36] <knome> hmmh, i have no experience with ati
[00:36] <knome> or much with xrandr either
[00:36] <sstoveld> ah ok
[02:54] <holstein> juxta: sources should be the same... you want my sources list? 11.10?
[02:59] <preecher> ordering a new laptop tomorrow    between radeon 6570m and nvidia  gt555m would there be a better of the two for ubuntu/linux
[03:24] <juxta> holstein, thanks for that. I used a sources.list generator and all seems good :)
[03:27] <holstein> juxta: yeah, its not rocket science... all the xubuntu stuff is in the normal repos since xubuntu is an offical spin or whatever you want to call it
[03:27] <juxta> excellent, thanks again :)
[03:27]  * babble is an official spin. heh. 
[03:28] <babble> sigh, has anybody had success reinstalling with Relinux or Remastersys in 11.10?
[03:29] <babble> (Ubiquity hangs at 'scanning cd-rom' and leaves the system unconfigured)
[03:29] <holstein> babble: i havent tried yet... but i plan on it... keep me posted on what you find :)
[03:29] <babble> so far, all I've found is that I can bork my installation hard with either. heh.
[03:30] <holstein> well, that is a data set ;)
[03:30] <babble> is there a way to tell Ubiquity NOT to scan for (an apparently missing?) cdrom repo and instead skip to dpkg and grub config?
[03:32] <holstein> whats the installer team irc? ubuntu-installer? ubuntu-something like that
[03:32] <babble> oh, of course. heh.
[03:32] <babble> I know, I keep asking everything in the wrong places, mea culpa.
[03:33] <babble> (of course, I could ALSO bother to read the casper manual, heh)
[03:33] <holstein> eh.. im just trying to think of who would know
[03:37] <babble> it's just that a quick reinstall of my current system that just does a clean dpkg config would be SO handy.
[03:37] <babble> since I keep futzing around with stuff. heh.
[05:52] <ball> Does Xubuntu ship with something that can find and mount NFS shares on another host?
[06:57] <Sysi> ball: gigolo possibly
[07:03] <ball> Sysi: Thanks, I'll have a look at that.
[08:23] <pertutatis> hi, can I have icon preview for pictures on desktop?
[08:31] <pertutatis> anyone?
[09:13] <Migou> hi everybody
[09:29] <Migou> I need help on xubuntu, xfce
[09:29] <well_laid_lawn> Migou: you're in the right place
[09:29] <well_laid_lawn> :)
[09:29] <Migou> Oh, great :)
[09:30] <Migou> My problem is that I have no wallpaper
[09:30] <well_laid_lawn> is this a new thing?
[09:31] <Migou> Not really, I haven't taken care of that problem for a while
[09:31] <well_laid_lawn> you can try in a terminal   xfdesktop &
[09:32] <Migou> I think the problem was already there before I went to the last version of ubuntu. so let's try what you said.
[09:32] <Migou> $ xfdesktop[2374] is already running; assuming --reload
[09:33] <Migou> I right clic on the desktop, the clic on "Modify the Desktops's Wallpaper"
[09:33] <Migou> but no window appears
[09:34] <well_laid_lawn> ok, can you set the background from the settings manager?
[09:34] <Migou> I think I already tried : that way
[09:34] <Migou> wait
[09:35] <Migou> sorry but I translate from french
[09:35] <Migou> Application Menu > Parameters (settings?) > Desktop
[09:36] <well_laid_lawn> I have   menu - settings - settings manager   the select desktop
[09:36] <well_laid_lawn> I have   menu - settings - settings manager   then select desktop
[09:39] <Migou> It should be the "editeur de paramètres", there is a list of items, with displays, keypoards, ristretto, ... xfce4-desktop
[09:39] <Migou> should I select "xfce4-desktop" ?
[09:39] <well_laid_lawn> yes try that
[09:39] <Migou> It displays a tree of parameters :
[09:40] <Migou> backdrop (type=empty)
[09:40] <Migou>    > screen0 (Type=empty)
[09:40] <well_laid_lawn> that's the xfconf xml list
[09:40] <Migou>         > monitor0 (Type=empty)
[09:40] <well_laid_lawn> try in a termianl   xfce4-desktop-settings
[09:42] <well_laid_lawn> that's the window that should come up when you right click the desktop and select "Modify the Desktops's Wallpaper"
[09:42] <Migou> I have no such program
[09:43] <Migou> well I have to go to breakfast.
[09:43] <Migou> thank you for that start of help
[09:43] <well_laid_lawn> try again later then :)
[10:39] <incorrect> can i get the global menu plugin for 64bit xubuntu?
[10:42] <Migou> @well_laid_lawn : Hi back, I've searched for xfce4-desktop-settings in apt-get and google, and I can't find any occurence, is that really the good name?
[10:42] <Migou> Or maybe it doesn't exist anymore in the Ocelot version?
[10:42] <well_laid_lawn> Migou: it is what I have here with xubuntu 11.10 and xfce4 4.8
[10:45] <well_laid_lawn> Migou: sorry it is xfdesktop-settings
[10:46] <Migou> yeah :) so let's see
[10:47] <Migou> Ok, alas, I already tried with that program
[10:47] <well_laid_lawn> does it give any errors in a terminal?
[10:49] <Migou> It gives no errors.
[10:50] <Migou> when I launch the newly selected wallpaper is selected
[10:50] <Migou> so my settings have been recorded.
[10:51] <well_laid_lawn> and when you reboot the wallpaper is gone? or is it fixed?
[10:52] <well_laid_lawn> you might need to save the session
[10:53] <Migou> I will reboot (shutdown -r) in a few minutes, what do you think, is it possible that th xfdesktop wallpaper might be overriden/overwriten? by another wallpaper manager?
[10:54] <well_laid_lawn> if you only start a xfce session it shouldn't be
[10:54] <Migou> because the desktop's background remain uniformly blue
[10:55] <Migou> Ok so I'll close my session and come back
[10:55] <well_laid_lawn> you might have to select an image or change the colour
[10:58] <Migou> hello again
[10:58] <well_laid_lawn> :)
[10:58] <Migou> so, I is interesting
[10:59] <well_laid_lawn> what happened?
[11:01] <Migou> when I restart my session, it first displays a blinking walpaper with a small xfce mouse in the middle (it must be a default wallapaper or sthglike that, because it has nothing to do with the wallpaper I chose).
[11:01] <Migou> Then The walpaper I chose is visible for a second or two, and then, the walpaper is replaced by a monochrom blue color
[11:02] <well_laid_lawn> the one with the mouse is the splash screen probably bayou
[11:02] <Migou> Ok, that's what I thought
[11:02] <well_laid_lawn> check in the wallpaper setter that the "single image" option is checked
[11:03] <Migou> I may have installed One or two programs long ago that may override the wallpaper
[11:03] <Migou> It is checked
[11:04] <well_laid_lawn> are those wallpaper apps in autostart?
[11:04] <Migou> and the colors options seem to work, as I managed to see a green version of the xfce4 turbulence  wallpaper.
[11:04] <Migou> I'll first remove a program called wally, that I installed yesterday
[11:05] <well_laid_lawn> ok
[11:05] <Migou> Then, how should I check which applications are in autostart?
[11:06] <Migou> "what is autostart" ?
[11:06] <well_laid_lawn> from the settings manager - session and startup - the application autostart tab
[11:07] <well_laid_lawn> autostart is to set an app to start when xfce starts
[11:09] <Migou> found it, wow, there are many programs at start
[11:10] <well_laid_lawn> I always find a few I don't need
[11:11] <Migou> but nothing related to wallpapaers, i think. Well, as I uninstalled wally, I'll try once more to restart my session.
[11:11] <well_laid_lawn> luck
[11:13] <Migou> same result
[11:13] <Migou> hmm so, the apps at start up, maybe i should list them
[11:14] <Migou> Or disable them all ??
[11:14] <well_laid_lawn> you need some of them
[11:15] <Migou> ok, so I won't disable them all)))
[11:15] <well_laid_lawn> heh
[11:15] <Migou> xfce settings helper ?
[11:15] <Migou> might be guilty?
[11:15] <well_laid_lawn> yes that's a needed one
[11:15] <Migou> oh gosh
[11:15] <well_laid_lawn> not guilty of bad things
[11:15] <Migou> clipman - not guilty
[11:16] <Migou> GPG password agent - not guilty
[11:16] <well_laid_lawn> I'd try a new session first
[11:17] <Migou> Ok, I'll be back. By the way, thank you for helping... it's beginning to be long :-(
[11:19] <well_laid_lawn> making a coffee here :)
[11:30] <Migou2> everything works fine in a new account
[11:31] <Migou2> ...this means Im ust have screwed up something which remains in some config file such as ~/.*
[11:32] <well_laid_lawn> or you keep logging into the same session
[11:33] <Migou2> Indeed, for example, I can't get rid of nautilus and firefox launching at start
[11:33] <well_laid_lawn> do you have the options for a xubuntu session and a xfce session at login?
[11:33] <Migou2> I tried the various icons when shuting down my computer
[11:34] <well_laid_lawn> xfce session should be a new session afaik
[11:35] <Migou2> hmm, I must go, but at least, I've got a solution. I'll try how to start a new session.
[11:36] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[11:47] <Migou2> good bye
[11:47] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[12:49] <babble> hey all: I've been trying to make a bootable system backup with relinux (fork of remastersys, which had the *same* problem, I'll get to); either one would hang at the 'scanning cdrom' apt stage leaving the system unconfigured (dpkg and update-grub wouldn't run). I've worked around THAT by copying dists and pool from a livecd - apt runs as it needs to and everything works, *sort of* but Ubiquity now crashes at the END of the install. I have the output of its
[12:49] <babble> debug log.
[13:07] <Gremuchnik> hi my XFCE terminal emulator (0.4.8)'s transparency stopped working.  How can I fix that? thanks!
[13:10] <babble> do you have compositing enabled? (I've had *something* turn it off, at odd times, that I still haven't tracked down)
[13:10] <Gremuchnik> lemme check
[13:11] <babble> (if I have a couple of maximized windows open when I launch a terminal, it's easy for me to miss that they've suddenly lost shadows, etc)
[13:11] <Gremuchnik> where do I check that again?
[13:12] <babble> in a standard Xubuntu install, look in Settings > Settings Manager > Window Manager Tweaks
[13:12] <Gremuchnik> babble, that worked and fixed the problem. you rock! thanks
[13:12] <babble> I do try :)
[13:13] <Gremuchnik> no, you do succeed :-)  thanks a lot!!!
[13:13] <babble> there's SOMEthing I've installed that seems to disable the compositor; I still haven't figured out what it is yet
[13:13]  * Gremuchnik always marvels at how friendly and competent the Xubuntu community is
[13:13] <Gremuchnik> thanks
[13:13] <Gremuchnik> gotta run now (work)
[13:13] <babble> oh, I'm glad it was a simple fix
[13:13] <Gremuchnik> cya later friends
[13:13] <Gremuchnik> you rock!!
[13:55] <Gremuchnik> Hi, I am using a 24" 1920x1200 (60Hz) display and have set the DPI at 98, with anti-aliasing enabled and no hinting.  My fonts look a little "smudged", not crisp.  What is the best setting for my sub-pixel order?
[13:56] <Gremuchnik> My fonts look particularly bad on FireFox
[13:58] <Sysi> check DPI with 'xdpyinfo | grep resolution' default sub-pixel order in xubuntu is RGB, try different hinting settings
[13:58] <Sysi> depending of font, slight or full is propably what you want
[14:01] <Gremuchnik> I got resolution:    96x96 dots per inch
[14:04] <babble> sec, lemme check what I'm using
[14:05] <Gremuchnik> my font is Ubuntu
[14:06] <Sysi> I've only used dejavu/droid-sans
[14:08] <babble> I'm using Droid Sans, 96 dpi, slight hinting and RGB sup-pixel rendering (not BGR or either of the vertical options)
[14:09] <babble> but (caveat, heh) I'm also an OS X user, so I'm used to relatively heavy antialiasing. I may like smudgier text than you want
[14:10] <grifo74> hello how is minimal hardware requiriments to use xubuntu? work with 250b memotry?
[14:10] <grifo74> memory
[14:11] <babble> http://xubuntu.org/getubuntu recommends 256 megs, but you will likely want at least 512
[14:12] <Gremuchnik> grifo74, with 250mb of memory you might want to try something like Linux Mint Debian Edition with XFCE
[14:12] <babble> but if you run without the compositor, and don't install heavyweight extras like libreoffice, it should be okay
[14:12] <Gremuchnik> or basic Debian with OpenBox or LMDE
[14:13] <grifo74> thanks i like ubuntu but need beter hardware, and i need an alternative xubuntu or lubuntu
[14:14] <GridCube> Gremuchnik: http://johan.kiviniemi.name/blag/ubuntu-fonts/
[14:14] <Gremuchnik> sorry, I mean LXDE
[14:14] <Gremuchnik> GridCube, thanks
[14:16] <grifo74> another question is easy uptate xubuntu ex: 11.10 to 12.04 without problems?
[14:16] <Gremuchnik> Debian with OpenBox or LXDE is probably the lightest option out there.  That, or Damn Small Linux (http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/)
[14:16] <babble> well, since 12.04 hasn't even posted an alpha yet, that's a relatively unknown question.
[14:17] <grifo74> ok 11.04 to 11.10 dont give problems whem people upgrade
[14:17] <grifo74> i dont like format my pc every 6 months
[14:17] <Gremuchnik> GridCube, Crunchbang (http://crunchbanglinux.org/) is also an lean distro
[14:17] <GridCube> :P Gremuchnik i think you meant grifo74
[14:18] <babble> grifo74: I updated without a problem this time around, but a) I changed desktops (from Ubuntu to Xubuntu) and b) I nearly ALWAYS do clean installs
[14:18] <GridCube> but in that topic, crunchbag is NOT a lean distro, its pretty heavy
[14:18] <babble> if you want to upgrade in place, MOST of the time, it 'just works' but as always there are a few reports of folks who've had small issues.
[14:18] <babble> back up before you upgrade, as always
[14:18] <GridCube> clean installs are always better
[14:19] <Gremuchnik> GridCube, yes, sorry, I did mean grifo74
[14:19] <GridCube> partitions people, partitions
[14:20] <Gremuchnik> GridCube, you think that the folks at Mint are right to recommend a full/clean install with every new version rather than the usual Update via GUI or "sudo apt-get update  && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"?
[14:20] <babble> grifo74: you don't always have to format your computer; you can install without formatting the drive, preserving your existing home directory (and apps, if you want) but again, you're potentially running into the same sorts of issues folks occasionally report with in-place upgrades.
[14:20] <GridCube> for simple distros that just work on low specs you have, Slax(my favourite), Puppy, Lubuntu, and ofcourse if you are mad enough Tinycore.
[14:21] <grifo74> ok my download is finish now i go install in virtualbox i install my favorite software if work fine in future iḿ a new xubuntu user lol
[14:21] <GridCube> Gremuchnik: yes, thats always less painful than upgrading
[14:22] <Gremuchnik> GridCube, I am slowly coming to the same conclusion, but what a pain it must be to reconfigure it all each time, from the list of installed apps, to the configuration parameters, no?
[14:22] <GridCube> nope
[14:23] <GridCube> its easier than reconfiguring everithing becuase its broken and you don't know wich conf file is making everything wrong
[14:23] <Gremuchnik> yeah, maybe
[14:23] <GridCube> also you can save the stuff you want
[14:23] <GridCube> its all on your ~/
[14:23] <GridCube> if thats partitioned then your conf files are still there
[14:23] <Gremuchnik> I wish I new a way to save a "list of installed applications" and then pipe it into APT or something to reinstall them all in a batch
[14:24] <Gremuchnik> rather than one by one
[14:24] <GridCube> there was a script for that
[14:24] <Gremuchnik> really?
[14:24] <Gremuchnik> interesting
[14:24] <GridCube> yes, but really, how much software you install?
[14:25] <Gremuchnik> lots
[14:25] <Gremuchnik> mostly multimedia
[14:25] <GridCube> :P
[14:25] <Gremuchnik> ayup
[14:25] <GridCube> oh, those are easy
[14:25] <GridCube> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras vlc totem smplayer
[14:25] <GridCube> XD
[14:31] <babble> ah, there we go
[14:41] <grifo74> how i configure hotkeys in my laptop? i install hotkeys but i think dont work
[14:41] <babble> what do you need to do?
[14:42] <babble> you can probably make an application shortcut for it in Settings Manager > Keyboard > Application Shortcuts
[14:45] <grifo74> i like to up and down volume pc sound with fn+up or fn+down
[14:45] <babble> that should be configured for you in Xubuntu (and Gnome/Unity for that matter)
[14:46] <babble> are you using Ubuntu presently, or Xubuntu?
[14:48] <grifo74> presently i use ubuntu and work fine on install dont need confdigure nothing
[14:49] <babble> you can change keyboard shortcuts in Ubuntu in the Keyboard Settings panel
[14:50] <babble> open the dash and look for Keyboard and look in the keyboard shortcuts tab
[14:50] <babble> you want to change the defaults for volume up/volume down (which are probably set to media keys if you're on a laptop)
[14:51] <babble> (i.e. to do what you want, you probably *don't* need a separate utility for hotkeys)
[15:35] <Daew> Hello, I have a problem:
[15:35] <Daew> I installed a program via "Software center" and it says now that it is installed. It says in "details" that it should appear under xfce => settings but I can't see it there. I can not find it with "Application finder" either. Is there any other way I can find/run it?
[15:38] <holstein> Daew: alt-F2 software-center should do it :)
[15:39] <grifo74> how i see my network folders in thunar?
[15:39] <grifo74> or my network
[15:39] <TheSheep> grifo74: see network?
[15:40] <TheSheep> grifo74: what do you mean?
[15:41] <Daew> @holstein: The program I installed is called "pointing devices" I need it to use it to turn off synaptics touchpad, but the program claims it is installed but it doesn't appear in software center
[15:41] <Daew> Nor in menu
[15:42] <Daew> Sorry, messed that up: It appears in software center as installed (but can not run it from here) but doesn't appear in menu or application finder.
[15:42] <TheSheep> Daew: gpointing-device-settings
[15:43] <holstein> Daew: appologies... i though you had installed the software center and it wasnt showing in the menu
[15:43] <grifo74> in thunar i cant see my network
[15:43] <TheSheep> grifo74: thunar displays files
[15:43] <TheSheep> grifo74: not networks
[15:43] <Daew> Thanks that worked =)
[15:43] <holstein> grifo74: samba share? ssh? what networked directories?
[15:43] <grifo74> samba share
[15:44] <TheSheep> grifo74: well, then use a samba broser like gigolo for that
[15:44] <ball> TheSheep: I'm really not a big fan of MS Windows, but Microsoft do seem to have integrated the networking fairly well in terms of how easy it is to share folders or mount shares from another computer.  It seems more difficult with Xubuntu.
[15:44] <TheSheep> grifo74: or mount it with fuse-smb
[15:45] <holstein> ball: its also the lighter file manager...
[15:45] <ball> TheSheep: ...what would I use to mount an NFS share?
[15:45] <TheSheep> ball: nonsense, scp works flawlessly
[15:45] <grifo74> how sorry but in ubuntu nautilus is easy
[15:45] <TheSheep> ball: just mount it
[15:45] <holstein> yeah, nautilus is quite a bit heavier
[15:45] <grifo74> how i mount use fuse-smb
[15:45] <ball> TheSheep: Is that done from the command line?
[15:45] <TheSheep> ball: nfs is build in kernel
[15:45] <holstein> you can run nautilus in xubuntu if you want
[15:46] <TheSheep> ball: from command line or with /etc/fstab or with any gui program that can do it
[15:46] <ball> How do I list the shares on a given host?
[15:47] <grifo74> ok i go install nautilus thanks
[15:47] <holstein> grifo74: you might want to try one of the suggested tools
[15:47] <TheSheep> ball: you check /etc/exports on it
[15:48] <holstein> gigolo for example lik TheSheep suggested, grifo74
[15:48] <grifo74> yes
[15:48] <ball> TheSheep: I can't ask a remote host what shares it has?
[15:48] <grifo74> thanks
[15:49] <TheSheep> no, nfs is just for sharing the filesystem, not for advertising your presence to everyone on the network
[15:49] <TheSheep> the latter can be done with bonjour
[15:49] <ball> TheSheep: Okay.  I believe I know the name of the share, so I'll have a go.
[16:02] <edotom> Hi there
[16:02] <edotom> i'm looking for help
[16:02] <edotom> with networking
[16:02] <edotom> in ubuntu
[16:02] <babble> edotom: somebody may be able to help - what's your issue?
[16:02] <edotom> thanks
[16:03] <babble> can you give me a specific networking problem you're having?
[16:03] <edotom> I'm a newbie so please be patient
[16:03] <babble> no worries.
[16:03] <babble> everybody's new sometime.
[16:03] <edotom> thanks
[16:03] <edotom> I have a lan
[16:03] <edotom> and ISp
[16:03] <edotom> an ubuntu box with 2nics
[16:04] <edotom> a cisco wifi router
[16:04] <edotom> I want to use iptables to filter internet from my isp
[16:04] <babble> start here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo
[16:04] <babble> read through the whole document carefully.
[16:05] <babble> if you're still stuck, come back
[16:05] <edotom> first I'd like to ask you something
[16:05] <edotom> I have it working like this
[16:05] <edotom> my isp modem is connected to my eth0
[16:06] <edotom> I have internet there on eth0
[16:06] <edotom> then I have my eth1
[16:06] <edotom> connected to my wifi
[16:06] <edotom> router
[16:06] <edotom> I have internet on all my computers
[16:07] <edotom> my eth1 is 10.10.10.1
[16:07] <edotom> and my router is giving my pcs 192.168.1.0
[16:07] <edotom> can I forward like this?  I have a webserver but can't get redirection
[16:08] <babble> the router is going to use whatever subnet setup is in the router's config currently.
[16:08] <babble> it shouldn't be a problem to map your iptables across subnets, or you can likely change the router's config to give you IP addresses in the subnet you'd prefer.
[16:08] <edotom> so the trick is subnet?
[16:09] <edotom> all of my devices should be on the same subnet?
[16:09] <edotom> eth0 has its own provided by my isp
[16:09] <babble> if the router is set to give IP addresses over nat in the form of 192.168.1.* and you want it to give addresses in the range of 10.10.10.* the simplest solution is probably to check the router's config and see if you can switch it to the IP range you WANT instead.
[16:09] <edotom> but eth1 and wifi router should have the same subnet?
[16:10] <babble> there's no reason they *necessarily* should, no.
[16:10] <babble> as you can see, it's not required for NAT in order for everything to have internet access.
[16:10] <ball> A lot of routers don't support non-192.168.x.x nets
[16:11] <babble> some do, some don't
[16:11] <babble> in any event, it's not impossible to set up IPtables across subnets like this, just not quite as simple.
[16:11] <babble> again, read through the entire iptables document
[16:11] <edotom> i'll do so
[16:12] <edotom> I was reading about it... I understand I have to preroute, postroute and forward
[16:13] <babble> there may be a simpler solution.
[16:13] <babble> what do you need IPtables *for*?
[16:13] <babble> are you rolling your own 'parental controls' site filtering or something?
[16:13] <edotom> I need a proxy...
[16:13] <edotom> I have a lan
[16:13] <edotom> I have and Isp cable modem
[16:13] <edotom> I have an ubuntu server
[16:14] <edotom> my isp provides me with an address 190.24.226.XXX
[16:14] <edotom> with subnet 255.255.255.XXX
[16:14] <babble> the ISP provided address is more or less beside the point for what you're doing
[16:14] <edotom> I've setup eth0 according to that
[16:14] <edotom> then I have eth1
[16:14] <babble> since you're using NAT to distribute access across the lan, the outside IP is whatever it is.
[16:15] <edotom> I have my wifi router configured as DHCP server with NAT enabled
[16:15] <edotom> is that ok or should it be in charge of ubuntu box?
[16:16] <babble> well, it depends on what you mean by 'okay'
[16:16] <babble> as you can see, even though the wifi network is on a completely DIFFERENT subnet, as long as it gets a natted-IP from the wired network it can still get to the wider internet
[16:16] <edotom> Is it the best way?
[16:17] <babble> and again, if you can't change the IP range of your router (check the config, and see if you can) you can STILL do what you want, but it's not something I can give you a simple one-line answer for in an IRC chat
[16:17] <edotom> actually my only problem is that I have a pc with a http server but I can't get to see it from outside
[16:18] <babble> well, that may (probably, in fact) doesn't have a thing to do with iptables.
[16:18] <babble> your ISP is very likely blocking known server ports.
[16:18] <edotom> in the lan I can see that pc
[16:18] <babble> try switching the web server to listen to a higher port
[16:18] <babble> on the lan is irrelevant in this case.
[16:18] <babble> you need to be able to see it from outside the lan, right?
[16:18] <edotom> yes
[16:18] <edotom> actually I was able
[16:18] <babble> okay, hush a second and listen carefully
[16:19] <babble> if you were ABLE to from outside the lan before, what did you change?
[16:19] <edotom> I had ubuntu 10... something happened and I could not log in anymore ... so I reinstalled to ubuntu 11
[16:20] <edotom> I set up nics like before
[16:20] <edotom> from my notes
[16:20] <babble> 'something happened' unfortunately doesn't give me anything to go on
[16:20] <edotom> I installed firestarter
[16:20] <edotom> computer stalled
[16:20] <babble> can you see the webserver WITHOUT the firewall running?
[16:20] <edotom> no
[16:20] <edotom> from linux
[16:20] <edotom> but from other computers I can
[16:21] <edotom> the other pcs are win
[16:21] <babble> other computers inside your LAN aren't the problem
[16:21] <edotom> yes
[16:21] <babble> again, you need to be able to see the web server from OUTSIDE your lan, correct?
[16:21] <edotom> yes
[16:21] <babble> so telling me again and again that computers on the LAN can see it is unrelated in this case, okay?
[16:22] <edotom> yes
[16:22] <edotom> I can even see my apache on my linux box from outside
[16:22] <babble> unfortunately, from the way you're describing this, it's nearly impossible to get at what your problem is other than
[16:22] <babble> 'it's broken'
[16:23] <babble> that's not really enough information.
[16:23] <edotom> how can I improve the info?
[16:23] <edotom> what do you need to know?
[16:23] <babble> you seem to be simultaneously saying you both *can* and *cannot* see the web server in question from outside your LAN
[16:24] <babble> if you can't see it, but you could before, you changed something in your setup
[16:24] <babble> if you *can* see it, what's the problem?
[16:25] <edotom> my linux box which I think is my gateway to the outside world can't see my other pcs
[16:25] <babble> wait.
[16:25] <babble> you said you had hardware router.
[16:25] <babble> do you or don't you?
[16:25] <edotom> the other computers can see each other
[16:25] <edotom> yes
[16:26] <babble> and what's the cable modem plugged into?
[16:26] <edotom> the other computers are connected to the wifi router
[16:26] <babble> I didn't ask you that
[16:26] <babble> what's the *cable modem* plugged into?
[16:26] <edotom> cable modem is connected to my linux box
[16:26] <edotom> eth0
[16:26] <edotom> my linux box is my proxy
[16:27] <edotom> and it provides "internet"  to the hardware router
[16:27] <edotom> the hardware router has all win pcs connected to it
[16:28] <edotom> I need that my linux box can forward http 8080 to a local pc connected to the hardware router
[16:29] <edotom> Right now I don't know If I setup wrong nics or if it is that I configured iptables wrong
[16:29] <babble> see the IPTables documentation, specifically Sec. 5
[16:29] <edotom> ok.. thanks
[16:30] <edotom> thanks for your patience
[16:30] <edotom> sorry for my english too
[16:30] <babble> see also the example rule for www further down
[16:31] <edotom> great
[16:31] <edotom> thanks a lot
[16:32] <babble> there's also a doc page for setting up Ubuntu as a router, here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Router
[16:32] <babble> in there, see specifically https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Router#Enable_IP_forwarding_and_Masquerading
[16:34] <edotom> thanks ... I'm on it
[16:34] <edotom> regards from Colombia
[16:35] <babble> regards :)
[16:35] <edotom> bye from now
[16:35] <edotom> bye for now
[16:35] <edotom> it's better
[18:07] <vay> hi. how i can change keyboard layout in xubuntu between english and russian?
[18:13] <vay> hi. how i can change keyboard layout in xubuntu between english and russian?
[18:21] <marion> greeting true believers
[18:25] <marion> i have something i have been trying to research i need to completely dissable my screen saver and the ability for my pc to go into power saving mode
[19:00] <wonderworld>  hi, i am using xubuntu and nautilus as desktop/file manager instead of thunar. it works fine but my manually started nautilus doesn't seem to read $HOME/.gtkrc-2.0. any idea where i should put nautilus'es config?
[19:08] <incorrect> wonderworld, probably because it is no longer a gtk2 app i guess
[19:10] <wonderworld> incorrect: yes. i have been googleing a lot to find the config file for nautilus 3.* but i had no success
[19:10] <incorrect> wonderworld, i am tempted to install 11.04
[19:11] <incorrect> maybe i should go to kde4
[19:11] <wonderworld> xfce with nautilus as display manager rocks
[19:12] <wonderworld> it's indeed better than old gnome2
[19:12] <wonderworld> i really like it
[19:12] <wonderworld> sorry as file manager
[19:12] <wonderworld> not display of course
[19:12] <incorrect> display manager?
[19:12] <incorrect> oh ok
[21:03] <rhin0> any way to make the top bar of windows slimmer?  :)
[21:03] <rhin0> by the bar I mean what you click on to drag it around
[21:03] <Sysi> different window manager theme
[21:04] <rhin0> within settings ..
[21:04] <Sysi> no
[21:05] <rhin0> found i t-- is in settings
[21:05] <Sysi> oh right
[21:05] <rhin0> & I get my slim top-bar
[21:08] <S_SubZero> one of the themes is a thin bar greylook
[21:16] <antnash> does anyone know the commands that are used to start the xubuntu desktop with all the visual options?
[21:24] <rhin0> startx something???
[21:25] <rhin0> i mean startx startx xwindows which is the desktop gui
[21:25] <rhin0> starts
[21:29] <Sysi> startx to launch 'exec ck-launch-session startxfce4' from ~/.xinitrc
[21:29] <Sysi> session managment should handle rest
[21:31] <mstevens> help my xubuntu keeps popping up a keyboard and I can't get rid of it
[21:39] <antnash> Sysi, I'm trying to get a xubuntu session started when I log in with vnc, but I just get standard xfce
[21:39] <Xbert> Apparmor is not showing Firefox as enforced when it running, Firefox is set to be enforced, can anyone help me?
[21:39] <antnash> And startx doesn't do it for me
[21:40] <antnash> How would I go about invoking session management before I startx?
[21:45] <antnash> Lol. I see I'm not the first person that's asked you this, Sysi. http://ircanswers.com/xubuntu/602536/correct-xubuntu-session-vncserver-xfce-session-xubuntu
[21:46] <lrussell> will xubuntu work on a PII (233 mhz), 6GB hd, and 384MB of ram (motherboard's max)
[21:47] <mstevens>  
[21:47]  * lrussell asks: will xubuntu work on a PII (233 mhz), 6GB hd, and 384MB of ram (motherboard's max)
[21:48]  * lrussell pleads for answer!
[21:51] <mstevens> lrussell: for a completely unimformed answer, I think it probably would
[21:51] <lrussell> all i need it to do is run and act as a server
[21:51] <lrussell> :D
[21:54] <Myrtti> I would have probably gone for lubuntu or just server install
[21:54] <Myrtti> PII sounds painful
[21:54] <Thermi> omg
[21:55] <Thermi> just get Debian without any Interface
[21:55] <Unit193> Fluxbox or antix at that point
[21:55] <holstein> these days netbooks are so cheap... it doesnt make sense to suffer like that
[21:55] <Myrtti> probably was after pain and suffering
[21:56] <Myrtti> masochism comes in many forms
[21:56] <Xbert> Apparmor is not showing Firefox as enforced when it running, Firefox is set to be enforced, can anyone help me?
[21:56]  * holstein googles apparmor
[21:57] <Unit193> holstein: Just ask bodhi ;)
[21:57] <holstein> yeah, i bet :)
[21:58] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1008906 is from bodhi :)
[21:58] <bodhi_zazen> apparmor ?
[21:59] <holstein> Xbert asked.. 17:56 < Xbert> Apparmor is not showing Firefox as enforced when it running, Firefox is set to be enforced, can anyone help  me?
[22:00] <bodhi_zazen> close firefox
[22:00] <bodhi_zazen> restart firefox
[22:00] <bodhi_zazen> pastebin aa-status
[22:02] <Xbert> bodhi_zazen, http://pastebin.com/i36bePYK
[22:02] <Xbert> bodhi_zazen, xubuntu 10.04
[22:04] <bodhi_zazen> so what makes you thing ff is not running in enforcing mode and how did you install FF8 ?
[22:04] <Xbert> from the mozilla ppa
[22:04] <Xbert> it does not show as enforced as the other apps do
[22:05] <bodhi_zazen> test it
[22:05] <Xbert> it doesnt show as enforced when firefox is running as other apps do, I am also able to save to any folder
[22:05] <bodhi_zazen> the question is it working ?
[22:05] <bodhi_zazen> pastebin /usr/lib/firefox-8.0/firefox-*bin
[22:06] <bodhi_zazen> sorry , pastebin the firefox profile
[22:08] <Xbert> bodhi_zazen, http://pastebin.com/MRvHneDG
[22:10] <bodhi_zazen> reboot and if the problem persists you are going to need to file a bug report as I do not see any obvious problem
[22:11] <Xbert> bodhi_zazen, i have had the problem for weeks, i;ve rebooted many time, ok thanks
[22:11] <zenrox> i dont eather
[22:12] <bodhi_zazen> Well. you should have filed a bug report weeks ago then =)
[22:12] <Xbert> my chrome,xchat and other profiles i have create work fine
[22:13] <Xbert> I stopped using firefox because of it not being enforced, I started using chrome, but I have issues with chrome so I need to go back to firefox
[22:13] <bodhi_zazen> So use firefox7
[22:13] <bodhi_zazen> ff8 is pre-release
[22:14] <zenrox> that is what i would of done
[22:14] <zenrox> stuck with stable
[22:14] <Xbert> i upgrade to 7,8 to see if it helped doesnt work with any version
[22:14] <Xbert> i was using stable
[22:14] <bodhi_zazen> Well go back to what is default in 10.04 ;P
[22:15] <zenrox> thats 3.5
[22:15] <Xbert> 3.5? really?
[22:15] <zenrox> i think
[22:15] <zenrox> apparomor work on ff7 in 11.10
[22:15] <Xbert> I'm using 10.04
[22:16] <zenrox> might be time to upgrade the os then
[22:16] <bodhi_zazen> Well, not sure, but you have a mis-match
[22:16] <zenrox> ??
[22:16] <bodhi_zazen> 10.04, but want bleeding edge firefox ?
[22:16] <Xbert> no, just want latest firefox
[22:16] <bodhi_zazen> I would venture there is a problem with the profile on 10.04, try it in a VM and see
[22:17] <Xbert> I using version 8 now because I was try to see if 8 would fix the issue with apparmor
[22:17] <Xbert> I normanally use v6
[22:18] <zenrox> 11.10 comes with ff7
[22:18] <Xbert> I want to stick with LTS
[22:18] <zenrox> 11.10 is a lts
[22:18] <bodhi_zazen> Well, write a new profile for ff8
[22:18] <bodhi_zazen> copy-paste the old profile into the new profile
[22:18] <Xbert> I don't think I would be able to do that
[22:19] <Xbert> I've tried that
[22:19] <bodhi_zazen> bug report is best then
[22:19] <bodhi_zazen> That ff profile is complex
[22:19] <bodhi_zazen> And versions of aa are variable across versions of Ubuntu
[22:20] <Xbert> ok thanks, tho i don't think reporting a bug will get me any where ether
[22:23] <xubuntu764> hi
[22:23] <xubuntu764> anybody there?
[22:24] <bodhi_zazen> no xubuntu764
[22:24] <xubuntu764> i am trying to install xubuntu over an existing ubuntu install and the installation hangs when it tries to get the time from an server.
[22:25] <xubuntu764> is that a common known problem
[22:25] <xubuntu764> is that a common known problem?
[22:25] <holstein> xubuntu764: not that ive seen
[22:26] <holstein> xubuntu764: can you boot it up live?
[22:26] <holstein> are you online?
[22:26] <zenrox> nat that i know of do you have internet on in your install
[22:26] <bodhi_zazen> Try the alternate CD
[22:26] <xubuntu764> thanks for your answer
[22:26] <xubuntu764> i am using the standard xubuntu live cd right now
[22:27] <xubuntu764> xubuntu 11.10
[22:27] <holstein> yeah, the alternate installer would be just that... an alternative to the installer that is failing for you
[22:27] <holstein> you'll find it here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/11.10/release/
[22:28] <xubuntu764> hmm i thought the alternate cds are for very low resource pcs only. but ok i'll give it a try. thank you very much!
[22:29] <xubuntu764> unfortunatly i have to leave to use the alternate install cd because this session runs from the live cd of course
[22:29] <xubuntu764> so i say so long
[22:30] <xubuntu764> and thanks again
[22:30] <zenrox> n/p
[22:31] <xubuntu764> yes i do have internet.
[22:33] <xubuntu764> bye
[23:10] <babble> well, THAT didn't take long.
[23:10] <babble> heh
[23:11] <jimmy8888> hi how do i change the behaviour of double-clicking a window in XFCE so that it maximises the window?
[23:12] <antnash> ooh, I'd be interested in that
[23:13] <babble> sec, I remember it's IN system settings, I just don't remember exactly which one. hehe.
[23:13] <babble> give me a minute
[23:13] <babble> System Settings > Window Manager > Advanced.
[23:14] <babble> or Settings Manager > Window Manager > Advanced, sorry
[23:14] <antnash> Yeah, I'm there and it's set to maximise. Still not doing it tho
[23:14] <babble> close settings manager and look in the config editor and see what's set in THERE.
[23:14] <babble> sec, I'll find exactly where you need to be
[23:15] <antnash> cheers babble
[23:15] <babble> Settings Editor > xf4wm (expand General) > double_click_action
[23:16] <antnash> yup. maximise
[23:16] <babble> hm. something is overriding.
[23:16] <antnash> huh. strange. It's now doing it
[23:16] <babble> do you have any other desktop environments installed as well? Xfce and Gnome?
[23:16] <babble> ah, tweaking the Config. Editor did the trick
[23:17] <jimmy8888> thanks guys, yep window manager GUI has it set to maximise. xfwm4 double_click_action is set to maximise
[23:17] <babble> (I think Settings Editor reloads the database when it launches, so a misconfigured bit probably updated)
[23:18] <jimmy8888> ok and my maximise seems to be working also! thanks for the quick support :)
[23:18] <antnash> babble, there's a couple of things I can't seem to do.
[23:18] <babble> antnash: what's the first?
[23:18] <antnash> Remove items from the app menu
[23:18] <babble> actually, brb, I need foods.
[23:18] <babble> give me 2 mins.
[23:18] <antnash> kk
[23:39] <babble> back
[23:39] <babble> antnash: still here?
[23:42] <antnash> back
[23:42] <antnash> just hanging up some washing
[23:43] <babble> antnash: Xfce is similar to Gnome2 in terms of where app launchers can hide in order to populate your menus.
[23:43] <babble> nearly everything lands in /usr/share/applications
[23:44] <babble> but sometimes oddball installers may put stuff in ~/.gnome/apps
[23:44] <antnash> I just wanna get rid of 'Mail Reader' and 'Web Browser'
[23:44] <babble> ah.
[23:45] <babble> are there any other users on your machine?
[23:45] <antnash> nope
[23:46] <babble> okay, what *I* do is move system installed launchers into ~/Applications/Applications (Disabled)
[23:47] <babble> just so I'll have them if I want them back, for whatever reason, but nothing gnome/xfce-aware will EVER look there
[23:47] <babble> the launchers for those are in /usr/share/applications
[23:47] <babble> but you'll need root access to move them. you can gksu thunar for that if that's easy
[23:48] <antnash> or just do it in terminal
[23:48] <babble> or just do it in terminal :)
[23:48] <antnash> can I just rename them with _disabled to the extension? Will that get rid of them?
[23:48] <babble> I'd suggest keeping them if you ever decide you want them BACK
[23:49] <babble> not if they're still in the usual places where Xfce will look
[23:49] <babble> the name of the file is completely irrelevant - the menu entry is in the desktop file's data itself.
[23:49] <babble> you could name it Jamacian Bobsled and it would still show as Mail Reader in the menu
[23:50] <antnash> so exo-web-browser and exo-mail-reader
[23:50] <babble> yep
[23:50] <babble> OR, you could alternatively make yourself a custom menu file, but that's a little more involved.
[23:50] <antnash> I'll just move them
[23:51] <babble> if there's just you on your machine, that's simplest, I think.
[23:51] <babble> it's what I do :)
[23:51] <antnash> The other thing is how I add new favourite folders in Thunar
[23:54] <babble> Drag them into the sidebar?
[23:54] <antnash> Not working
[23:54] <babble> (can you not drag for some reason?)
[23:54] <babble> do you have it in Tree view?
[23:54] <antnash> nope
[23:55] <babble> hmm.
[23:55] <babble> sec. lemme open thunar and see if I can get it to do what you're seeing
[23:56] <antnash> It's very annoying.
[23:56] <babble> hmm.
[23:56] <antnash> Maybe it's because I'm VNCing in
[23:56] <babble> ahh!
[23:56] <babble> that may be it
[23:56] <babble> lemme go find where they are manually
[23:56] <antnash> can I do it via cli?
[23:56] <babble> I think they're in xconf someplace :)
[23:57] <babble> likely, but I'm pretty sure they're in xconf and you can get at in the settings editor, if that works.
[23:57] <antnash> That'd work a treat!
[23:57] <babble> hang on, I'm digging