[00:00] <dscassel> ...
[00:00] <BobJonkman> We're off.
[00:00] <BobJonkman> er, On!
[00:00] <dscassel> Meeting time!
[00:02] <BobJonkman> Agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/2011-11-01
[00:02] <dscassel> Mass call! DavidLevin Kamondelious sipherdee zeroedout kenjy MylesBraithwaite starcraftman cagordon genii-around khoover NoSu starcraftman cdbs jaguar KombuchaKip pangolin txwikinger cyphermox jaguar Kulag rgreening DarwinSurvivor Jeruvy lborda ryanakca willwh
[00:02] <KombuchaKip> dscassel: Sorry, busy.
[00:02] <dscassel> KombuchaKip: No worries.
[00:02] <khoover> dscassel, ello ello ello
[00:03] <khoover> mildly busy, but i can listen in
[00:03] <dscassel> Please introduce yourselves. Where are you. What do you do, want to do, or like about Ubuntu?
[00:03] <dscassel> khoover: Sounds good. :)
[00:03] <txwikinger> hello
[00:03] <dscassel> I'm Darcy.  I'm a LoCo contact for Ubuntu Canada.
[00:03] <dscassel> Oh, and I'm in Waterloo, Ontario.
[00:03]  * genii-around sips
[00:04] <dscassel> Hey, genii-around :)
[00:04] <BobJonkman> I'm Bob Jonkman, usually from Elmira, just north of Waterloo, but have come down to Kwartzlab in Kitchener to attend the IRC IRL.  Just a general Ubuntu Enthusiast.
[00:04]  * txwikinger is Ralph Janke, also contact for Ubuntu Canada LoCo contact and also in Waterloo, Ontario
[00:04] <khoover> I'm Ken. I'm a student in high school atm, planning on getting into computer science/philosophy (cognitive science?).
[00:04] <khoover> From Markham, Ontario*
[00:04] <cagordon> Howdy: in sunny Waterloo, fiddle with confusers, and by-and-large it works
[00:04] <genii-around> I'm Michael Kaulbach, Ubuntu Canada member in Toronto
[00:05] <cagordon> BTW, I'm Gordon
[00:06] <khoover> so, meeting...
[00:07] <dscassel> Hi Gordon. :)
[00:07] <dscassel> Have we met?
[00:07]  * genii-around makes more coffee, passes the mugs around
[00:07] <BobJonkman> (it's really busy at Kwartzlab, people keep coming up and *talking* to us!)
[00:07]  * khoover pulls out the green flask
[00:07] <cagordon> Me thinks so, dcassel, at kwlug, and once at kwartzlab
[00:07] <dscassel> Agenda here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/2011-11-01
[00:07] <cagordon> s/dcassel/dscassel
[00:08] <genii-around> Delegation of jobs...
[00:09] <dscassel> cagordon: Cool. Remind me the next time you se me so I can put a face to a name. :)
[00:09] <dscassel> Delegation or creation... :)
[00:09] <cagordon> Be my pleasure. Next monday maybe?
[00:09] <BobJonkman> I've volunteered for Secretary of the Posterior
[00:09] <dscassel> I sent an email to the mailing list a while ago, asking for help.
[00:09]  * khoover nominates self for Minister of Silly Walks
[00:10] <dscassel> BobJonkman's stepped up to help with meetings...
[00:10]  * txwikinger thinks BobJonkman just wants to have a present on the Secretary Day
[00:10] <cagordon> dscassel was probably *flooded* with replies...
[00:10] <dscassel> Tek Ang (rugbeeprop) offered to help with the website.
[00:10] <dscassel> cagordon: Some. Some is good.
[00:11] <genii-around> dscassel: I got the mass call as I was preparing for a Toronto Freenet Annual General Meeting tomorrow night, so I'm a bit jumbled
[00:12] <dscassel> genii-around: No worries. Come and go as you need to. :)
[00:12] <genii-around> dscassel: Thanks!
[00:12] <dscassel> The other jobs I'd asked for were meeting chair (ie, doing what I'm doing now) and Team Reports.
[00:12] <dscassel> And, of course, local event coordinator.
[00:13] <dscassel> Where you coordinate events. Locally. :)
[00:13] <dscassel> I've been really slack on team reports the last few months.
[00:13] <dscassel> And the sad thing is it's a really easy job.
[00:13] <razorgoto> I think genii and I might do something here in Toronto.
[00:14] <dscassel> Just look at the LoCo directory and copy it into the wiki.
[00:14] <dscassel> razorgoto: Awesome!!!
[00:14] <razorgoto> There is a wiki????
[00:14] <dscassel> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam
[00:14] <genii-around> razorgoto: You can email me anytime at mystic-scientist<at>ubuntu.com if you like
[00:14] <razorgoto> I will, M.
[00:15] <dscassel> Team reports are here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/TeamReports
[00:16] <dscassel> razorgoto, genii-around: You saw Gord on the mailing list saying he'd "love to get involved in a Toronto" group, right? :D
[00:16] <genii-around> dscassel: Possibly < doesn't like to admit he doesn't scour them all >
[00:17] <dscassel> You're welcome to come up with your own job too.  Anything that makes Ubuntu better or supports the community.
[00:17] <razorgoto> errr.... sure, Darcy...
[00:17] <dscassel> :D
[00:17] <txwikinger> Nobody needs to ask for permission to do something :)
[00:18] <txwikinger> It just would be nice if things that are done appear in the team report
[00:18] <BobJonkman> Do we need to worry about using the Ubuntu name or logo in stuff we do?
[00:18] <dscassel> ...true...
[00:18] <dscassel> BobJonkman: Not if you're doint it as part of the LoCo.
[00:18] <txwikinger> Canonical is very permissable
[00:18] <genii-around> BobJonkman: I imagine not if the something you're doing is legal....
[00:18] <BobJonkman> ...and it's part of the LoCo if it appears in the Team Report, right?
[00:19] <txwikinger> The trademark is for usage by the community as long it is part of the Ubuntu community and not for commercial usage
[00:19] <dscassel> General community stuff is probably cool too.
[00:19] <txwikinger> And it would be good to keep the activities compliant with the CoC
[00:19] <txwikinger> (Code of Conduct)
[00:19] <razorgoto> Cool
[00:19] <genii-around> Heh, yes
[00:19] <dscassel> Right.
[00:20] <razorgoto> Man. There is already a Toronto page with content? Did not know....
[00:20] <dscassel> I'll probably keep hounding people for help from time to time..
[00:20] <dscassel> razorgoto: It's the old Toronto team from ~2006. MylesBraithwaite et al.
[00:21] <dscassel> Feel free to update that page to reflect modern reality. :)
[00:22] <razorgoto> Maybe we should just blow away the old content -- a reboot.
[00:22] <dscassel> As I don't see anyone jumping up and down to help (Torontonians aside :), I'll move on...
[00:22] <dscassel> Province teams.
[00:22] <BobJonkman> razorgoto: Don't blow old content away.  Still useful as a record of past events
[00:23] <BobJonkman> Besides, my immortal pixel are in there: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Toronto/GustyGibbonReleaseParty
[00:23] <genii-around> razorgoto: The Toronto page though seems long abandoned. I can't find any current/former members here at meeting at Linuxcaffe for instance
[00:23] <razorgoto> BobJonkman: Lol. You look so young back then.
[00:24] <dscassel> Okay, so in a LoCo council session yesterday, Laura Czajkowski suggested that Canada was too big for a single LoCo team and should be split up.
[00:24] <genii-around> dscassel: Are we even represented in provinces other than Quebec, Ontario, and BC ?
[00:25] <razorgoto> Anybody here from the Atlantic provinces?
[00:26] <khoover> dscassel, there's 32 total people here. if we split it up, about half are going to be empty rooms
[00:26] <dscassel> razorgoto: Since I've been keeping track, we had one fellow in a meeting from Newfoundland.
[00:26] <genii-around> Well, the Vancouver ppl already operate like some separate entity anyhow
[00:26] <dscassel> khoover: Yeah.
[00:26] <dscassel> The thing s, ubuntu-ca is two things: A couple city teams in Southern Ontario, and an online community across the country.
[00:26] <txwikinger> Well.. Let's put some things in perspective
[00:27] <cagordon> I would question Laura about how she came to the conclusion, "too big." Surely not based upon volume of postings!
[00:27] <khoover> so why do it? makes no sense to split it up into infinitesimally small groups. it's not calculus.
[00:27] <txwikinger> The official LoCo is an entity in relation to the LoCo Council
[00:27] <dscassel> That online community includes people from Quebec and Vancouver, which have active LoCos.
[00:27] <txwikinger> Nothing prevents LoCos to work together and share resources
[00:28] <dscassel> I don't really have a problem calling the real-life things we're doing Ubuntu Ontario, but I don't wan tot lose the online community, sparse as it is.
[00:28] <txwikinger> The question of big was about the geographic area of Canada
[00:28] <txwikinger> In some ways it is probably my fault that the whole issue came up
[00:29] <razorgoto> How is Ubuntu-QC working out? I am not up on them.
[00:29] <txwikinger> I mentioned several weeks ago in some discussion about how to do things in LoCo, that LoCos have very different cricumstances
[00:29]  * genii-around slides pangolin a coffee
[00:29] <dscassel> razorgoto: ubuntu-qc is centered around Montreal.  they're cool.  I met some of them this summer.
[00:29] <txwikinger> And that it is easy to drive to an event anywhere in Ireland (where Laura is original from), but this is not possible in Canada
[00:29] <cagordon> An american friend pointed out once, to me, that there are more people in California then Canada, so I don't think geographical area should be the reason to fragment.
[00:30] <txwikinger> Similarly, it is not as easy to distribute CDs from one local place in Canada, as it is from one place in Ireland, or England
[00:30] <dscassel> Laura's motivation seems to be around standardizing the LoCos, creating some sort of consistency.
[00:30] <txwikinger> Well geography is important
[00:31] <genii-around> dscassel: Is there much contact with the west coast guys? More coordination would be cool
[00:31] <dscassel> cagordon: Yup.
[00:31] <txwikinger> InI cannot just go to Alberta or Labrador to help a local event there
[00:31] <razorgoto> If geography is the issue, then Ontario is a lot closer then Quebec...
[00:31] <txwikinger> If you think on a European country or a state in US this is more possible
[00:31] <txwikinger> Not entirely, but more
[00:32] <dscassel> genii-around: willwh is in Victoria. KombuchaKip is in Vancouver.  People participate in the online community without a problem, as I see it.
[00:32] <razorgoto> oops I meant ontario is closer to quebec than BC
[00:33] <dscassel> Thing is, if there's a group in Thunder Bay, they're no less remote to me than Winnipeg or Calgary. It's going to take a flight for me to get to them if I need to.  Or a few days of driving.
[00:33] <txwikinger> If the LoCo Council decide to split up, there can be more teams be accepted as official LoCos and more swag can be given to us
[00:33] <dscassel> razorgoto: That's why I was able to mee twith ubuntu-qc people this summer. :)
[00:33] <razorgoto> From the look of the wiki, it looks like there used to be a LoCo and then there are like local teams.
[00:33] <txwikinger> How we organise ourself otherwise is up to us
[00:34] <BobJonkman> OTOH, I've been to a couple of Ubuntu Release Parties in Toronto, and am planning one in Hamilton (both over an hour away from here)
[00:34] <txwikinger> The LoCo Council does not interfere how we run. Even if they would try, let them come here and find us first ;)
[00:34] <dscassel> txwikinger: That's assuming more teams are active enough to be approved.  Right now only Ontario, Quebec and Vancouver would qualify (with certain caveats about Vancouver)
[00:34] <razorgoto> Can there still be a Ubuntu-ca and a Ubuntu-ON?
[00:34] <cagordon> Still, no compelling argument to fragment that which is already struggling to hang together...
[00:34] <txwikinger> dscassel: True, hence it is really a mood point
[00:35] <dscassel> razorgoto: I don't know yet.  There is an ubuntu-us website.
[00:35] <txwikinger> razorgoto: you mean in form of website?
[00:35] <dscassel> I don't particulary want to maintain ubuntu-ca-on and ubuntu-ca sites.
[00:35] <razorgoto> Website and recognized organization.
[00:35] <txwikinger> I would say yes.. not every team that has a website with an official ubuntu domain is an official LoCo
[00:35] <txwikinger> well.. not recognised organisation
[00:35] <genii-around> razorgoto: The standard convention is ubuntu-countrycode-state/or/province   but of course ubuntu-qc already puts that into another area of question
[00:36] <txwikinger> that would be on province level then
[00:36] <razorgoto> I meant what you said, txtwikinger. Official LoCo.
[00:36] <dscassel> Hold on, kwartzlab sprung a leak. :(
[00:36] <razorgoto> Oooops.
[00:36]  * cagordon grabbs bailing can!
[00:36] <txwikinger> So far we never had official LoCos part of another official LoCo
[00:37] <txwikinger> in general it was always one LoCo per country
[00:37] <txwikinger> with the exception of the US which has one LoCo per staate
[00:37] <txwikinger> state
[00:37] <genii-around> txwikinger: Yes, thay have for instance ubuntu-us-ca for California
[00:37] <genii-around> *they
[00:37] <txwikinger> yep
[00:37] <khoover> dscassel, iceberg?
[00:37] <txwikinger> but there is no US LoCo
[00:38] <willwh> hi :)
[00:38] <txwikinger> hi willwh
[00:38] <razorgoto> to be honest. I am not sure what advantage can be had from separation.
[00:38] <cagordon> Howdy willwh
[00:38] <khoover> willwh...will wheaton?
[00:38] <razorgoto> besides more swag.
[00:38] <razorgoto> Hi! Willwh
[00:38]  * genii-around slides willwh an Ubuntu Canada mug of coffee
[00:38] <txwikinger> razorgoto: Yes. that's it
[00:39] <txwikinger> I see no real difference
[00:39] <willwh> khoover: no :)
[00:39] <BobJonkman> So how do the Waterloo and Toronto local groups fit in?  Ubuntu-ca-on-kw ?
[00:39] <willwh> william wilson hetherington :)
[00:39] <txwikinger> official LoCos make it easy for the LoCo Council to have contacts
[00:39] <razorgoto> I gotta go. I am about to get locked up in my office.
[00:39] <khoover> willwh, aw, bugger. was gonna ask about the arm.
[00:39] <willwh> hahah
[00:39] <willwh> I get asked that all the time
[00:39] <txwikinger> it is purely a structure that they know who is where
[00:40] <txwikinger> How people do things within LoCos or in association with neighboring LoCos is a local decision
[00:40] <txwikinger> We have i.e. and (inofficial) LoCo called Kubuntu-de
[00:40] <BobJonkman> I think the fear has been expressed that without, say Ubuntu-ca-AB there might be people in Alberta who won't even consider the Ubuntu community.
[00:40]  * dscassel is a little nervous about the steam and water coming from that pipe from the boiler...
[00:40] <dscassel> but I'm back!
[00:41] <txwikinger> it is called de for Germany, but actually it is all German speaking countries in Europe
[00:41] <txwikinger> Austria, Switzerland, Germany etc
[00:41] <dscassel> Hi willwh :)
[00:41] <BobJonkman> But if everyone is under the Ubuntu-ca umbrella everyone is included, whether there is other provincial representation or not
[00:41] <willwh> yo :))
[00:41] <willwh> I just set mpd up again
[00:41] <willwh> such win
[00:42] <dscassel> BobJonkman: I recommend Ubuntu Waterloo
[00:42] <dscassel> I'd suggest Ubuntu KW, but Kuwait has dibs on that
[00:42] <txwikinger> Currently it is not a real issue, when we have people in Alberta, or whereever, they can get CDs direct from canonical without having to go through ubuntu-ca
[00:42] <txwikinger> However, they would have to first be approved to be a functioning LoCo
[00:42] <genii-around> txwikinger: Ship-It is no longer active
[00:42] <khoover> txwikinger, BobJonkman, why not have a national LoCo, w/ provincial heads?
[00:43] <dscassel> genii-around: Ship-it will ship CDs only to LoCos.
[00:43] <dscassel> (approved LoCos.
[00:43] <BobJonkman> txwikinger: But how does Canonical know about Alberta folks?  And how do Alberta folks get in touch with Canonical?
[00:43] <dscassel> BobJonkman: Alberta would have to become an approved LoCo.
[00:43] <BobJonkman> And what's to stop me from setting up an Ubuntu-Bob ?
[00:43] <txwikinger> They hhave to apply with the LoCo council
[00:43] <dscassel> BobJonkman: Not much, really.
[00:43]  * genii-around applies for Ubuntu-Bob 
[00:44] <cagordon> and if the alberta folks contacted canonical, would they gently point them in the direction of ubuntu-ca?
[00:44] <BobJonkman> I think the idea of having to apply with the LoCo council is pretty intimidating.
[00:44] <txwikinger> BobJonkman: if you can convince the LoCo council that Bob is a candian province and can show the activities ... more power to you
[00:44] <genii-around> cagordon: I suspect that would be the case, unless we subdivided
[00:44] <dscassel> Official Canonical stuff (like the LoCo directory) would only show actual LoCo teams, though.  Like Ontario, Quebec, or Vancouver.
[00:44] <dscassel> If people in other provinces wanted to be listed, they'd need to organize.
[00:45] <txwikinger> Which is funny already.. all would be under Ubuntu-ca if the policy was applied consistently
[00:45] <dscassel> Which might not be a bad thing, but I don't see a lot of interest present. (prove me wrong, folks! :D)
[00:45] <txwikinger> I think we are worried to much about nothing.. I do not see that it would really influence anything we do
[00:46] <txwikinger> We can do anything we want or need to do either way
[00:46] <genii-around> txwikinger: Yes, exactly
[00:46] <dscassel> I know. This is mostly bureaucratic nonsense that doesn't have that big an impact on the reality on the ground.
[00:46] <dscassel> I do worry about things like the mailing list.
[00:46] <txwikinger> Nothying stops us to have a ubuntu-ca mailing list, a ubuntu-ca IRC channel etc
[00:46] <dscassel> And I'm less likely to be able to harass people in Victora or Calgary to run events...
[00:46] <khoover> half the reason i love 'buntu; admin going in the wrong direction? **** em and fork.
[00:47] <dscassel> khoover: That's the spirit. :)
[00:47] <txwikinger> Well.. as I said.. LoCos are just a structure for communication with the LoCo council
[00:47] <txwikinger> there is nothing in it that people need to be worried about in regard of doing anything on the ground
[00:48] <genii-around> It's more a matter of: If we split will Canonical mail us stuff directly or do we have to figure out how to get it here from Kitchener?
[00:48] <BobJonkman> So, we do nothing about the request for provincial LoCos?
[00:48] <txwikinger> If we grow enough and have 200mio users, we might even start to see hierachies where country LoCos will be the councils for city LoCos .. who knows
[00:48] <txwikinger> we will see when it happens
[00:49] <dscassel> It kind of annoys me that in order to do what we think is best for the community we need to work *around* structures that are nominally there to help us.
[00:49] <txwikinger> genii-around: There would still be one Ontario LoCo
[00:50] <dscassel> genii-around: They won't recognize city teams.  It'd have to be provinces.  But we can alternate CD shipments if that helps.
[00:50] <genii-around> txwikinger: Yep.. I'm thinking about the poor Albertans or Nunavitites, etc...
[00:50] <txwikinger> dscassel: that is called politics and is something you find in every group of people that is big enough
[00:50] <txwikinger> Would it be better if the LoCo council would come to us, and ask as for advice or let us make the decision - maybe
[00:50] <Jeruvy> Nunavities?  Sorry I just got to the computer ;)
[00:50]  * genii-around smacks oracology Fix your connection!
[00:50] <txwikinger> I just say we are spending a lot of time and worries on something that has a mininal impact
[00:51] <dscassel> Hey, Jeruvy :)
[00:51] <Jeruvy> I agree with that.
[00:51] <Jeruvy> Hi dscassel
[00:51] <cagordon> agree with twwikinger
[00:51] <BobJonkman> Jeruvy: we're discussing having a provincial Ubuntu LoCo structure.
[00:51] <BobJonkman> not much uptake from us here.
[00:52] <dscassel> I know I'm fretting a bit, but "worry" is too strong, I think.
[00:52] <BobJonkman> In practice, we seem to have a national Ubuntu-ca LoCo, with city groups.
[00:53] <willwh> yup
[00:53] <dscassel> I'm mostly reacting to a change made without any obvious value, that will introduce unneccesary complications.
[00:53] <dscassel> (not that the change has been made yet, mind you...)
[00:53] <Jeruvy> I think you have a valid concern.
[00:53] <cagordon> dscassel: "Chill, bro." This too, will pass.
[00:53] <dscassel> cagordon: Totally chill. The boiler's busted. :)
[00:54] <cagordon> :)
[00:54] <genii-around> So basically we don't have enough groups Canada-wide to support such a structure anyhow and no immediate benefit is apparent
[00:55] <dscassel> BobJonkman: I'm pushing for greater recognition of city groups, but that's a tough argument becuase it's been ongoing for a while and people are pretty entrenched..
[00:55] <dscassel> I think actually recognizing city teams would help get them off the ground, though.
[00:55] <txwikinger> Well. canonical does not want to have to deal with 100s of thousands of city groups
[00:56] <genii-around> txwikinger: That's a pretty valid concern
[00:56] <dscassel> genii-around: I don't think we need any more sturcture to support Canada than we'd need to support Ontario.
[00:56] <BobJonkman> So could city groups deal exclusively with the Ubuntu-ca group?
[00:56] <txwikinger> I think city groups will come when we have a lot more people that participate in LoCos
[00:56] <BobJonkman> Then Canonical only needs to deal with one entity
[00:56] <cagordon> ubuntu-ca-kw, for example?
[00:57] <dscassel> BobJonkman: That's my suggestion.  Or, rather, the city groups get together to *become* the ubuntu-ca group.
[00:57] <BobJonkman> But it would be good to get enough CDs without having Darcy ship them all over
[00:57] <txwikinger> and they will then probably rather contacting their country LoCo then the Ubuntu LoCo council directly
[00:57] <dscassel> cagordon: yeah.
[00:57] <BobJonkman> Darcy == dscassel
[00:57] <dscassel> Hi. :)
[00:57] <txwikinger> cagordon: Go to #ubuntu-ca-kw :)
[00:58] <genii-around> Heh
[00:58] <dscassel> BobJonkman: They're only ever going to ship one box per loco. And all my CDs have stayed within Ontario so far. So no difference there.
[00:59] <txwikinger> ok.. I think we can wrap up this issue
[00:59] <BobJonkman> So that may be the one advantage to provincial LoCos, enough disks for all the city groups
[00:59] <dscassel> txwikinger: Yeah, my thoughs exactly.
[00:59] <genii-around> Have we reached some consensus on whether people think this is a good or bad idea?
[00:59] <dscassel> BobJonkman: Only if other provinces get approved.
[00:59] <BobJonkman> -1
[00:59] <txwikinger> I think it is clear that nobody here sees the urgent need for the change, but if the LoCo council does not have anything better to do, it does not stop us from anything either
[01:00] <dscassel> txwikinger: ^_^;
[01:00] <genii-around> Next item?  (past events) :P
[01:00] <dscassel> Right!
[01:01] <dscassel> Okay, FSOSS was pretty awesome.
[01:01] <BobJonkman> Great party at Kwartzlab for the Ubuntu Release party!
[01:01] <dscassel> Next year we need to get a table.
[01:01] <dscassel> It's a lot cheaper than I'd thought it was.
[01:01] <BobJonkman> Sorry I missed FSOSS; son's graduation...
[01:01] <pangolin> little late but +1 to provincial loco teams.
[01:01] <genii-around> Hi pangolin :)
[01:02] <pangolin> heya genii-around :) thanks for the coffee up there btw
[01:02] <genii-around> pangolin: Of course you -qc people would feel that way... ( just kidding )
[01:02] <dscassel> pangolin: I'm not going to jump on you, but would you mind elaborating? what value do you see in moving to province teams?
[01:02] <genii-around> pangolin: anytime
[01:02] <dscassel> pangolin: Ah. :) Quebec is awesome! Don't ever change.
[01:04] <dscassel> BobJonkman: How's the Kitchener Ubuntu Hours going?
[01:04] <pangolin> dscassel: well, because I am in Montreal it has been a lot easier for me to be involved in my loco team because we have our -qc team. I think that many people in other provinces would benefit and perhaps get more involved if they had a team that is close by and like minded people to meet up with but I believe the the -ca team needs to also stick around and help guide the locos.
[01:05] <BobJonkman> Lots of people there last month.  Some with computers, some without.
[01:05] <BobJonkman> @chaslinux has another one planned for this Friday, same time, same place.
[01:05] <dscassel> pangolin: I don't disagree with this. :)
[01:05] <Rarsa> hi
[01:05] <dscassel> BobJonkman: I'll actually be there this week!
[01:05]  * Rarsa listening in the background
[01:05] <dscassel> Hi, Rarsa :D
[01:06] <BobJonkman> Is that Rarsa as in @rarsamx ?
[01:06] <genii-around> Rarsa: Hello, welcome to the Ubuntu Canada meeting in progress!
[01:06] <Rarsa> yes
[01:06] <dscassel> Rarsa was also at FSOSS. :D
[01:06] <genii-around> Cool.
[01:06] <BobJonkman> Great presentation by both Rarsa and dscassel, I heard
[01:07] <dscassel> Upcoming events!
[01:07] <dscassel> Kitchener Ubuntu Hour this Friday as mentioned...
[01:07] <dscassel> And I think that's about it...?
[01:07] <txwikinger> Toronto Drupal Camp will be Nov 12/13
[01:07] <genii-around> Well, the UDS is also currently going on as well but I'm not sure we're represented
[01:07] <dscassel> UDS is on this week!
[01:07] <pangolin> dscassel: just want to be clear. I don't want the Canadian team to go away but I would like to see more provincial teams. Ubuntu Hours people, start doing them!.
[01:07] <BobJonkman> There should be a Waterloo Ubuntu Hour in November too.
[01:08] <dscassel> genii-around: I'm participating remotely, and I'm not too busy with work.
[01:08] <BobJonkman> If no-one volunteers then I'll do it.
[01:08] <txwikinger> http://2011.drupalcamptoronto.org/
[01:08] <dscassel> BobJonkman: That would be helpful. :)
[01:08] <genii-around> txwikinger: Nice
[01:09] <dscassel> BobJonkman: I'll probably be there. It's hard for me to commit to organizing things these day.s
[01:10] <BobJonkman> The NaNoWriMo's will be at Whole Lota Gelata on the 16th...
[01:10] <dscassel> pangolin: I'd love to see that too, actually. But if I've got to organize Ubuntu Canada *and* Ubuntu Ontario, I'm less enthusiastic. :)
[01:10] <genii-around> For the interested: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/   is the UDS schedule. They have some presentations which will be streamed
[01:10] <dscassel> genii-around: Right, thanks. :)
[01:11] <pangolin> dscassel: delegate.
[01:11] <dscassel> pangolin: Working on it. :)
[01:11] <dscassel> that was item #1 on the agenda. :D
[01:12] <genii-around> Wasn't one of the earlier subjects on delegat.... nevermind Darcy mentioned it now
[01:12] <pangolin> I might be wrong but genii-around has nothing to do :P
[01:13] <Jeruvy> I agree with pangolin :)
[01:13] <dscassel> :)
[01:14] <txwikinger> ok.. let's wrap this up
[01:14] <genii-around> pangolin: I'm currently assigned to sifting through all of ubottu's factoids and cleaning them up... also I am supposed to be preparing right now for a Toronto Freenet Annual General Meeting tomorrow night
[01:14]  * txwikinger needs to go and do some stuff
[01:14] <dscassel> Yeah, we're over time.
[01:14]  * dscassel slides genii-around a fresh cup
[01:14] <dscassel> Thanks for coming out folks!
[01:14] <pangolin> dscassel: curious about what brought on this discussion about the locos ? has there been complaints or something?
[01:15] <Rarsa> or ideas?
[01:15] <dscassel> pangolin: No, a LoCo council session yesterday.
[01:15] <Rarsa> or is that in the meeting log?
[01:15] <txwikinger> feel free to stick around and talk more, but I suggest the official meeting is closed now
[01:15] <genii-around> I second the motion!
[01:15] <dscassel> I'm sticking around, but I may need to find the building super.
[01:16] <pangolin> dscassel: ah, well if people want to start loco's in other provinces that is great.
[01:16] <cagordon> ...and a good discussion was had by all
[01:16] <genii-around> For the interested: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/FactoidCleanup is currently what's occupying a fair portion of my time during the day when I'm not working...
[01:16] <dscassel> pangolin: Absolutely! If there were people who wanted to do that, I'd be all over it.
[01:16] <pangolin> easiest way to get started is Ubuntu Hours.
[01:17] <dscassel> But right now, it's just the LC wanting to enforce consistency by renaming Ubuntu Canada to Ubuntu Ontario.
[01:17] <Rarsa> Ok, with the meeting over, BobJonkman, were you at FSOSS? I don't remember seeing you
[01:17] <BobJonkman> ... and the next Ubuntu Hour is: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ca/1392/detail/
[01:17] <BobJonkman> Sorry Rarsa, coudn't make it.  My son's high school graduation was that Friday
[01:17] <pangolin> but Ubuntu Canada also coordinates the existing Canadian teams, so it is more then just Ontario.
[01:17] <Rarsa> OH, dscassel and me presented on Saturday
[01:17] <txwikinger> FSOSS was super... I can't wait for next year's
[01:18] <BobJonkman> Saturday!  i thought that was for the unconference!
[01:18] <dscassel> pangolin: I do worry a little bit that the existence of Ubuntu Canada fills a void that people might be otherwise compelled to fill.
[01:18] <pangolin> if it wasn't for Darcy we would have no idea what goes on in the rest of Canada hehe
[01:18]  * dscassel blushes.
[01:18] <Rarsa> The unconference started at 2:00
[01:19] <Rarsa> dcassel, it seems that Mark S agrees with me regarding moving to portable devices :D
[01:19] <Rarsa> it feels good to be validated
[01:19] <dscassel> I was pretty happy about the FSOSS unconference part, actually.
[01:19] <dscassel> Only a half-dozen people showed up for my 9am Saturday talk.
[01:19] <pangolin> ok late dinner for me and thank you for all the hard work folks :)
[01:20] <dscassel> The unconference part allowed for a bunch more discussion (even though I couldn't show my slides)
[01:20] <genii-around> pangolin: Night! See you tomorrow as usual....
[01:20] <dscassel> Bon apetit, pangolin :)
[01:20] <Rarsa> I think that the unconference was lively
[01:20] <BobJonkman> Gee, I thought the FSOSS workshops were all on Thursday, the presentations all on Friday, and Unconference on Saturday.
[01:20] <txwikinger> I think FSOSS is traditionally more a conference for professionals so week days have more participants than Saturday .. wasn't it the first time with a Saturday?
[01:21] <dscassel> BobJonkman: presentations Saturday morning as well
[01:21] <Rarsa> Anyway BobJonkman, thanks again for encouraging me to submit the proposal :D
[01:21] <dscassel> There was definitely a drop-off in attendance on Saturday.
[01:21] <dscassel> And I'll reiterate: we definitely need a table next year.
[01:21] <txwikinger> Unfortunately not all the traditional Linuxfest visitors have found their way to FSOSS yet
[01:21] <genii-around> Damn. I should have went down.
[01:22] <BobJonkman> I've been showing off SSH tunnelling to others
[01:22] <BobJonkman> Learned it all at the knees of the master.
[01:22] <Rarsa> You know what was cool?
[01:22] <BobJonkman> Anyway, I've got to go.  Going out for dinner, gotta get there before it closes
[01:23] <dscassel> Rarsa: What's cool? :)
[01:23] <genii-around> BobJonkman: Tatu Ylonnen ?
[01:23] <Rarsa> that I included BigBlueButton in my talk and Fred dixon was there http://fsoss.senecac.on.ca/2011/user/62
[01:23]  * txwikinger met Fred
[01:24] <Rarsa> see you BobJonkman
[01:26]  * txwikinger needs to get some work done.. UDS and full day work is deficult to schedule into the same day
[01:26] <dscassel> Rarsa: He was in my Ubuntu canada talk too.
[01:26] <dscassel> Offered help if we wanted to do online training or whatever. :)
[01:26] <Rarsa> Thayt is cool
[01:27] <Rarsa> CU txwikinger
[01:27]  * genii-around gets back to Freenet AGM preparations
[01:27] <txwikinger> cu Rarsa
[01:34] <Rarsa> well, time for me to go too
[01:34] <Rarsa> have a good night y'all
[03:04] <cagordon> night!
[04:27] <Guest5016> hey every 1
[14:07] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:07] <genii-around> Hi BluesKaj
[14:10] <BluesKaj> hey genii-around , my other pc's bios balked when it didn't find a graphics card, a rookie mistake on my part . i forgot to reset the bios to the onboard before removing the pci nvidia
[14:10] <BluesKaj> so the psu is fine
[14:11] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Well, good that it didn't turn out to be anything major!
[14:11] <genii-around> ( just annoying to track down )
[14:13] <BluesKaj> I thought at first that the bios would revert to the onboard by default, but no such luck :)
[16:21] <BobJonkman> The minutes from last night's IRC meeting are online: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/2011-11-01#line-15