[03:58] <DanaG> Whenever I try to boot single-user, I get this looping:
[03:59]  * twb waits impatiently
[03:59] <DanaG> o continue): Login incorrect. Give root password for maintenance (or type Control-D to continue): Login incorrect. Give root password for maintenance
[04:00] <twb> It loops without you typing in a password?
[04:00] <DanaG> And notably, each piece of that message is on a separate line, shifted right.
[04:00] <DanaG> Right.  I hit a letter, and it re-spams the prompt.
[04:00] <twb> That sounds like plymouth has decided to rape you
[04:00] <twb> Easiest solution IMO is to boot into a live CD and either remove teh root password or remove plymouth
[04:00] <DanaG> too bad stuff depends on plymouth.
[04:00] <twb> The right-shifting thing is because something has left the screen in an ncurses-flavoured state
[04:01] <twb> DanaG: "remove" as in turn off; you can't actually uninstall it :-/
[04:01] <DanaG> I've also seen it spam this:
[04:01] <DanaG> Ubuntu 11.04  .  .  .  Ubuntu 11.04  .  .  .  Ubuntu 11.04  .  .  .  Ubuntu 11.04  .  .  .  Ubuntu 11.04  .  .  .  Ubuntu 11.04  .  .  .  Ubuntu 11.04  .  .  .  Ubuntu 11.04  .  .  .
[04:01] <DanaG> On the serial console.
[04:02] <DanaG> I also figured out why my server kept crashing.... the Patriot flash drive is crashing.
[04:02] <DanaG> Now I'm torn between running the OS on my ZFS pool itself, or running it on the only non-usb-flash things I have around, which are old laptop drives.
[04:04] <twb> ZFS might be OK except that osol blows and running it on linux blows
[04:04] <twb> So I'm sitting here waiting for btrfs to get its shit together
[04:05] <DanaG> Yeah, give us a fscking... fsck.  That'll actually fix things.
[04:05] <DanaG> If I put my root on the pool, I have redundancy.  If I put it on old 20-gig laptop drive of unknown health (since SMART is only approximate)... then there's only one point of failure.
[04:06] <twb> I meant more "actually work"
[04:06] <twb> I wouldn't trust its RAID6 implementation right now
[04:15] <DanaG> Right now I just have simple mirroring.
[04:15] <twb> I'd still do it in md instead of btrfs
[04:15] <DanaG> Aside from lack of packages, I didn't like how OpenIndiana gave me no indication at all of whether it was checking for ECC errors.
[04:15] <DanaG> Whereas on Linux, you see amd64_edac loading and logging.
[04:16] <twb> I wouldn't know, I'm too cheapass to get ECC hw
[04:16] <DanaG> HP Microserver.... cheap Athlon Neo.
[04:16] <twb> You could always test by unplugging a stick while it's running ;-)
[04:16] <DanaG> twb: safer: hold a compact fluorescent near it.
[04:17] <twb> Ha
[04:17] <DanaG> I've heard that that generates lots of noise.
[04:17] <twb> I didn't want to know that :-(
[04:17] <DanaG> But have no clue whether that's actually true.
[04:17] <twb> Probably you want an unshielded tube
[04:17] <twb> So it bombards with beta rather than gamma
[04:18] <twb> That is to say, get one without the phosphor lining on the glass housing
[04:19] <DanaG> I wish I knew people at HP, so I could address their sucky BIOS.  Or get a debricker so I can try CoreBoot on it.
[04:19] <DanaG> debricker as in whatever they use to connect to their undocumented, presumably SPI, header.
[04:20] <twb> You are lucky, man
[04:20] <twb> I deal with ARM
[04:21] <DanaG> Hope you at least have real serial consoles.
[04:21] <twb> Har har
[04:21] <DanaG> I have one PCIe serial card that's IO-based, but grub doesn't see it.
[04:21] <twb> There's a 40-pin plug which allegedly has UART on it SOMEWHERE
[04:21] <twb> I'm talking to it via an undocumented buggy nvflash program provided by the SOC vendor (nvidia)
[04:21] <DanaG> oh, and apparently HP is going to announce ARM servers.
[04:22] <DanaG> Too bad AMD doesn't do ARM. :(
[04:22] <twb> That's probably because Windows 8 will have a hard-on for ARM
[04:22] <twb> And ARM64 was announced recently
[04:22] <DanaG> Eew, imagine trying to get Flash for that.
[04:23] <twb> Who gives a shit about flash
[04:23] <DanaG> I don't like Flash.
[04:23] <DanaG> But some people need it.
[04:23] <twb> Even normal users mostly only want it for youtube
[04:23] <DanaG> There's a 32-bit Linux flash, but only recently an amd64 flash.
[04:23] <twb> Pity Apple didn't kill it
[04:23] <DanaG> There's an Android Flash, but no ARM Flash.  Despite the fact that Android IS ARM!
[04:23] <twb> DanaG: probably because it's written in java
[04:24] <DanaG> I mean, all it'd take for them to build an ARM flash: install ubuntu, install dev headers, copy source, make.
[04:24] <DanaG> That's less effort than 64-bit would even take.
[04:24] <twb> You're assuming their code and build system are actually well-designed and portable
[04:25] <twb> They've probably hard-coded byte order and stuff
[04:25] <DanaG> ARM is same-endian as x86, isn't it?
[04:25] <DanaG> Or at least, the ARM that Ubuntu happens to use.
[04:25] <twb> Or e.g. used uint when they meant time_t, so all the time-based calls on LSB behave differently where it it a long uint or whatever
[04:26] <twb> ARM has, at least historically, had at least two versions, and IIRC also some hardware that can switch
[04:28] <DanaG> oh yeah, I do have an ARM server in my server.  Yeah, there's an IPMI card that's ARM.
[04:28] <twb> Haha
[04:28] <twb> I hate LOM cards, they're a PITA
[04:29] <twb> Nooo, you couldn't just give me serial.  Instead I have to talk to you over RFB that's buried inside some shitty java tunnel that you want me to access via a goddamn web browser
[04:29] <twb> And then I can sit there watching you boot your in-house linux slower than the one that's on the main system
[04:29] <DanaG> Oh, and the chip actually has a SOL port that I can connect to...
[04:29] <DanaG> but isn't wired to anything.
[04:29] <twb> Yeah :-/
[04:30] <DanaG> And I did manage to get a serial console on the card itself.  It's an ASPEED AST2150.
[04:30] <DanaG> username "root", password "root".  Nice.  And it spews crap on the console every second, trampling all over vi and such.
[04:30] <twb> Blergh
[04:31] <twb> I hate hw
[04:41] <DanaG> I'm actually thinking of making a project with my old Xilinx FPGA board, to listen on telnet and pass the traffic to/from a serial port.
[04:43] <twb> SSH would be better
[04:43] <twb> If your FPGA-fu is that strong
[04:46] <DanaG> well, I'd imagine there might be an ssh server for "lwip", for the Microblaze.
[04:47] <twb> On that subject, not a fan of most switches
[05:19] <bogen> Not really sure where to ask this question. I can't find a good howto for bootstrapping oneiric. I've used debootstrap quite a bit on older ubuntus and on debian, and I can get a working system that boots fine. However, with oneric, upstart loops on the first boot. I shut it down. Boot again, this time it does not finish, and when I press enter it continues, then the screen clears and I get the login prompt. I can then reboot and it bo
[05:22] <twb> bogen: lost you after "and it bo"
[05:22] <twb> bogen: get an IRC client that splits messages automatically, or write smaller messages
[05:23] <bogen> I took a snapshot of the disk before booting the first time, and compared it when it was booting fine, but no smoking gun. ok, I'll paste bin it.
[05:24] <twb> I don't know offhand what's wrong; you could try passing --verbose at the boot: prompt, but that's a major PITA to debug with because there's so much stuff from upstart
[05:24] <twb> debugging upstart is a PITA in general
[05:25] <bogen> http://pastebin.com/pH4XAV2j
[05:25] <twb> bogen: oh, this is an LXC container?
[05:26] <bogen> no, I'm running it in KVM for now. I do that before trying on real hardware.
[05:27] <bogen> I was saying that minit looks more suited to LXC then to real hardware or a VM
[05:27] <twb> Not really, cinit and minit work fine in the real world
[05:27] <bogen> ok, well, minit did not remount / rw
[05:27] <twb> But init systems other than upstart aren't supported by ubuntu
[05:28] <twb> bogen: well, did you tell it to?
[05:28] <twb> If you want to use something other than upstart you will need to port all the upstart (and legacy sysvinit) jobs to that init system; they aren't there automagically
[05:29] <bogen> I've never used minit, so I'd need to find where the is. I'd rather just use upstart, I just ran into problem. (not working on the first few boots)
[05:29] <bogen> where the telling it to remount rw
[05:30] <bogen> hmm. /run/lock not mounted
[05:32] <bogen> upstart often pauses on "settting console screen modes and fonts" until I press enter.
[05:33] <bogen> then outputs more (too fast to read) and clears the console
[05:35] <twb> Turn that off, then
[05:35] <twb> That'll be setupcon
[05:35] <DanaG> oh yeah, I figured out my spewing password prompt:
[05:35] <DanaG> I had ttyS4 service set to start in runlevel 1.
[05:35] <twb> DanaG: heh
[05:35] <DanaG> So anyway, no more USB boot for me... my root is now on the pool along with the data.
[05:36] <DanaG> Just use a small USB drive for the boot files, since I didn't leave any space free on the actual pool drives for ext4.
[05:38] <DanaG> now, how do I make an upstart job start at a lower-priority Nice value?
[05:40] <twb> DanaG: man 5 init, I think there is a specific "nice N" option, otherwise you need to fuck about
[05:40] <twb> Like "exec foo --no-daemonize" becomes "exec nice foo --no-daemonize"
[05:55] <Tm_T> twb: tsssk, language (;
[05:58] <twb> Grmph.  This is why I have to make up new swearwords.  Stupid wodging chumblebums...
[05:58] <Tm_T> my solution is not to swear (:
[06:01] <twb> Then you sound like an accountant
[06:01] <twb> Also I'm Australian
[06:02] <laserbled> hi, can someone help me with dns and nsupdate please - when i use nsupdate to update or delete a zone it says either server fail or notzone error - I added the error log option but cant seem to get that file - have a couple of queries - in nsupdate for servername - is it the ip or nameserver that need to be fed
[06:02] <laserbled> http://paste2.org/p/1753534 - contains zone and named.conf
[06:03] <laserbled> http://paste2.org/p/1753538 this is nsupdate outputs
[06:03] <laserbled> please tell me if I am doing something wrong
[06:04] <twb> laserbled: bleh, why even bother, just allow AXFRs from 0/0
[06:05] <laserbled> twb, am new with this- dunno what AXFRs are .. sorry
[06:05]  * laserbled looking up AXFRs
[06:05] <twb> AXFR is DNS for "give me a dump of your whole domain"
[06:07] <laserbled> it says it not really secure - i assume it is doing it without the keys
[06:08] <twb> A shared secret isn't exactly secure either
[06:08] <twb> Especially since you just told us what it is
[06:08] <laserbled> am just checking it in my local ;)
[06:08] <laserbled> thats not a live key
[06:08] <twb> But who cares, AXFR just allows you to see the records you could ask for by name anyway.  It's the equivalent of not having a floor directory in your office building
[06:10] <laserbled> twb,  okie, i il sure look into that but in the meantime could you please tell me what is wrong with that nsupdate - am i giving some values wrong ?
[06:10] <twb> laserbled: dunno about that :-)  Sorry, I use nsd.
[06:10] <laserbled> and the log files ?
[06:10] <twb> But it sounds like it's pissed about the shared secret being different
[06:11] <laserbled> i mis typed it one - corrected it after
[06:11] <laserbled> *once
[06:11] <twb> IIRC bind allows AXFRs from 0/0 by default, although I'm not sure if -update means AXFR or NOTIFY
[06:12] <twb> I'm probably just confusing you more; sorry
[06:12] <laserbled> mainly becos am not familiar with AXFR
[06:13] <laserbled> it would be great if someone help me fix the log atleast
[06:13] <twb> dig AXFR cyber.com.au
[06:14] <twb> It's how the slave gets an initial copy of the zone from the master
[06:14] <twb> NOTIFY is how the master tells the slave "don't worry about the expiry time, pull a new update *now*"
[06:14] <twb> NOTIFY is entirely optional, AXFR/IXFR are needed for slaves, and optional for everybody else
[06:15] <laserbled> and how do you update the master ? - manual ?
[06:15] <twb> Yes
[06:15] <twb> Basically something like ssh master vi /etc/nsd/master/com.example.zone
[06:16] <laserbled> i want someway to run it as a service - thats why i was looking for the signed option so that i could add new zones dynamically
[06:26] <twb> IME the way that happens is you write a shitty PHP frontend
[06:26] <twb> Or cpanel maybe
[06:29] <laserbled> python for me
[06:31] <twb> Whatever
[06:32] <twb> But if I were you I'd just tell your customers to use zoneedit.com or so
[06:33] <laserbled> i think i figured out the issue, looks like a permission problem - only if i could get the dns logs :-/
[07:27] <twb> laserbled: you don't have root on your own box?
[07:27] <laserbled> ya - i do - just a habit
[07:28] <laserbled> I still haven't figured out the log files :(
[08:15] <laserbled> fixed logging, yay
[08:59] <afuentes> hi, i have a server that froze. Is there a ubuntu faq somewhere about frozing? and how to hunt down the culprit? or what do i need to install to get help me the next time it freezes?
[09:06] <angelete2> hi
[09:07] <angelete2> i'm using 11.04, and i have a problem with my cron
[09:07] <angelete2> this is my line: 47 3    * * 1   root    test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.weekly )
[09:08] <angelete2> but it executes always on tuesdays
[09:08] <angelete2> even if i change it into 47 3    * * 0   root    test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.weekly )
[09:08] <angelete2> it executes on tuesdays, what is wrong?
[11:26] <g0bl1n> any hint on why one can't SSH to a user account in AWS ? Created the user, the user key, downloaded the key, created a config file for ssh, but keep getting a permission denied
[11:41] <g0bl1n> EC2
[11:47] <RoyK> anyone that knows how I can debug afpd/netatalk? after a crash last night, it suddenly hangs using 100% cpu, not serving much...
[11:57] <RoyK> corrupt .AppleDB contents....
[11:57] <air_> RoyK: IIRC you can verify them with the dbd command.
[11:58] <RoyK> dbd: command not found
[11:58] <RoyK> oh, bdb....
[11:58] <RoyK> no, none of that either
[11:58] <air_> $ whereis dbd
[11:58] <air_> dbd: /usr/lib/dbd /usr/local/bin/dbd
[11:59] <RoyK> the one under /usr/local/bin probably didn't come from an ubuntu package
[12:00] <air_> oh right, I installed netatalk from sources, since it was broken in 11.10.
[12:00] <air_> but dbd was included in 11.10, supposedly also in 10.04. (but I have no 10.04 with afp around)
[12:01] <RoyK> cnid_dbd, perhaps?
[12:01] <air_> probably.
[12:01] <air_> what netatalk version are you running? (I suppose ubuntu 10.04 LTS?)
[12:01] <RoyK> 2.0.5
[12:01] <RoyK> it's lucid, yes
[12:02] <air_> yeah, lucid's man page for dbd forwards to oneiric. http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/oneiric/en/man1/dbd.1.html
[12:02] <RoyK> I tried oneiric first, but rolled back when I found netatalk broken
[12:03] <RoyK> I just removed the broken db files and retried - works now...
[12:03] <air_> er, it's not the same thing. cnid_dbd seems to be the deamone, while dbd is for maintenance.
[12:04] <RoyK> I saw that
[12:05] <RoyK> have you looked into how TimeMachine stores data on a network store?
[12:05] <air_> in a sparseimage? yes.
[12:06] <RoyK> seems it's using a bunch of 8MB files including a HFS+ filesystem....
[12:06] <air_> I got a timecapsule as router, so I run my timemachines against that.
[12:07] <air_> everything else on ubuntu over afp.
[12:08]  * RoyK uses ubuntu for time machine as well
[12:08] <RoyK> 5 2TB drives so far, 4 in RAID-5 and a spare...
[12:09] <air_> I've considered doing that as well.
[12:09] <air_> but since I have no other use for that time capsule. :P
[12:09] <air_> performancewise it sux, but I really don't mind for timemachine.
[12:09] <RoyK> the time capsule doesn't offer much redundancy, though
[12:10] <air_> jep.
[12:10] <RoyK> erm - it does?
[12:10] <air_> basically it's the backup of my system drive (80gb ssd)
[12:10] <air_> but I do weekly rsyncs of the drive to ubuntu.
[12:11] <air_> + all other content is stored on ubuntu, with backup to external usb.
[12:12] <RoyK> I have this home server and then a backblaze account for secondary backup
[12:12] <RoyK> should be safe enough :P
[12:13] <air_> I could use some offsite backup, so I'll look into backblaze. :)
[12:13] <air_> do you get good throughput there?
[12:13] <RoyK> it's ok
[12:13] <RoyK> but not very fast
[12:13] <RoyK> remember to yank up the throttler after installing it
[12:14] <RoyK> and - backblaze doesn't support linux yet, which sucks
[12:14] <air_> oh.
[12:15] <air_> then I don't want it.
[12:59] <Ursinha> Daviey: hellooooooooooo
[13:15] <Daviey> Ursinha: heya
[13:57] <CarlFK> apt-get install dhcp3-server - what's the service to start/stop?
[13:58] <CarlFK> isc-dhcp-server
[15:17] <kpettit> can anybody recommend me a good router/gateway/vpn that does a good job of providing VPN to Windows/Linux/Mac
[15:18] <kpettit> I've been having a hard time finding a decent one that works well for Win7/Ubuntu.
[15:28] <virusuy> kpettit: what about Fortinet
[15:30] <kpettit> virusuy, I haven't heard of that one.  Google'ing now
[15:31] <virusuy> kpettit: got a lot of differents appliances
[15:31] <kpettit> I just bought a netgear VPN with ipsec and SSL/VPN.  The SSL VPN is pretty cool becuase it's clientless and works through browser java applet or IE active X stuff.  But has quirks
[15:32] <virusuy> kpettit: oh, i sorry, i didn't ask if it was for a company or just for your home
[15:32] <kpettit> Both.  I'm doing IT for a couple small companies and was trying to find a good one to use for my home network as well.
[15:33] <virusuy> oh, if it's just home network, what about a linksys with ddwrt ?
[15:33] <kpettit> I looked for that fist.  but couldn't find any decent hardware that already came with ddwrt.  I hate hacking a $100 device for something like that.  I'd rather just pay the extra $100 for something that already has what I need.
[15:34] <virusuy> kpettit: sound reasonable..
[15:34] <kpettit> I do love the dd-wrt project.  I wish the had some commercial version on decent hardware, I'd buy a few of them for sure
[15:35] <virusuy> kpettit: yeah, me too.
[15:35] <virusuy> i mean, if you buy a linksys wrt54G will work pretty decent with ddwrt - full version
[15:36] <kpettit> They suck rocks if you put much vpn traffic through it.
[15:36] <virusuy> really ?
[15:36] <virusuy> i used with 2 clients only
[15:36] <kpettit> I used to use them for bridging VoIP networks.  They really had a hard time if you tried more than one VPN connection at a time.
[15:36] <virusuy> i mean 2 connections at the same time
[15:37] <virusuy> oh well, then you take a look at those appliance
[15:37] <iclebyte> kpettit, look at pfsense
[15:37] <kpettit> It was OK for simple client to connect in for VPN but if you tried to do a small office's network through one on VPN it didn't have the horsepower
[15:37] <virusuy> they're really cool, or at least i used in 3 differents enviorments and works awesome
[15:37] <kpettit> iclebyte, thanks.  Looking at it now...
[15:38] <iclebyte> kpettit, http://www.netgate.com/ <-- they do some more powerfull hardware which you can run pfsense on
[15:38] <kpettit> virusuy, yeah for most smaller stuff they are fine, but if you have a very big load or need to use it's little processor it's going to suck
[15:38] <iclebyte> might fit the bill a bit more than wrt
[15:38] <kpettit> That's why I wish they had better hardware for it, or sold something designed for heaver load
[15:39] <iclebyte> kpettit, it's a hobbist thing.. pfsense is probably a  bit better for production
[15:39] <kpettit> iclebyte, know of any good hardware that works with it.  Trying to avoid getting a full on linux server just for firewall/gateway/vpn stuff
[15:39] <iclebyte> kpettit, http://www.netgate.com/
[15:40] <kpettit> ah nice.  Thanks
[15:40] <iclebyte> http://store.netgate.com/Desktop-Kits-C82.aspx
[15:40] <iclebyte> kpettit, this page: http://store.netgate.com/Single-Board-Computers-C3.aspx
[15:40] <kpettit> ah, those look nice.
[15:41] <iclebyte> yea =)
[15:41] <kpettit> I've got a little MSI windbox II that's my PBX now.  similar to those
[15:52] <tonyyarusso> I have a fresh Ubuntu 11.10 server with a grub issue.  It won't boot non-interactively - the grub timeout seems to be being set to -1 even though it's defined as 2 in /etc/default/grub.  It looks like /boot/grub/grub.cfg has a section to do this if something goes wrong, but I don't know why that would be invoked.
[16:19] <tdignan> anyone know of a good substitute for Google Calendar that I can install on my new ubuntu server?
[16:19] <tdignan> I've already liberated myself of their email with it
[16:20] <tdignan> calendar is the next logical step
[16:35] <SpamapS> tdignan: let me know if you find it!
[16:36] <tdignan> SpamapS: sure will, I'll test drive some and let you know
[18:20] <hydromet> hi this may seem like a question with an obvious answer, but with so many web pages around to peruse through, I just wanted to be sure that these four step instructions I should follow for upgrading an Ubuntu 9.10 Server amd64 to 10.04 Server amd64:
[18:20] <hydromet> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LucidUpgrades#Network_Upgrade_for_Ubuntu_Servers_.28Recommended.29
[18:20] <hydromet> it seems almost too simple and I'm concerned that there might be more to it than those four steps
[18:21] <hydromet> this is also for a headless (no desktop) Ubunutu server
[18:28] <SpamapS> hydromet: no it really is that easy
[18:28] <SpamapS> hydromet: I'm not sure if 9.10 had the cool feature where it spawns a second sshd just in case the primary gets killed, but I know current releases do that.
[18:29]  * SpamapS upgraded his 11.04 EC2 instance to 11.10 with the same steps just recently
[18:31] <cwillu_at_work> a second ssh doesn't help with that post-upgrade reboot :p
[18:35] <SpamapS> cwillu_at_work: indeed.. but ultimately, what does other than remote console? ;)
[18:36] <cwillu_at_work> SpamapS, at which point, who needs the second sshd? :)
[18:37] <SpamapS> cwillu_at_work: its for the times where the ongoing upgrade fails hard
[18:37] <cwillu_at_work> SpamapS, but... you have remote console
[18:38] <cwillu_at_work> it's like complaining that btrfs doesn't have fsck, so what will you do if it breaks?
[18:38] <SpamapS> cwillu_at_work: often much easier to just ssh -P xxxx than fire up the remote console, but I see your point.
[18:38] <cwillu_at_work> SpamapS, exactly.
[18:38] <SpamapS> basically "meh, get remote consoles"
[18:39] <cwillu_at_work> if it's more than a convenience, you're in deeper than you think
[18:47] <hydromet> SpamapS; thank you, I'm really glad to know that its as easy as those steps provided, even if the SSH connection gets terminated that's not the end of the world (I have physical access to my machine if I should need it though I would prefer not to plug in a KVM)
[18:56] <cwillu_at_work> hydromet, it varies though
[18:56] <cwillu_at_work> if you generally do things properly re: settings and so forth, and any universe/third-party packages all work properly, it's generally pretty smooth
[18:58] <cudgel> is this the proper channel for discussion of cloud-init related topics?
[18:59] <cwillu_at_work> cudgel, if you had asked the actual question, whether this is the proper channel would be clearer :p
[19:00] <cudgel> fair enough.  how do I make use of LVM2 through cloud-init?  I've got a custom cloud-boothook, that does the work of pvcreate, vgcreate, even carves out a swap volume.  However, not sure how exactly I should deal with the default mounts.
[19:00] <cudgel> for instance:
[19:01] <cudgel> in my cloud-config, I have:  mounts:
[19:01] <cudgel>  - [ ephemeral0, null ]
[19:01] <cudgel>  - [ swap, null ]
[19:01] <cudgel> (sorry for the spam paste there)
[19:01] <cudgel> yet, with those entries, /etc/fstab is still updated w/ swap and /mnt entries.
[19:02] <cudgel> presumably, I can modify that swap line to use the right volume I'm creating.  But…  not sure how to deal with /mnt
[19:02] <cudgel> how's that?  more clear?  proper channel? :)
[19:05] <JanC> cudgel: certainly more useful for people to decide if they can answer (I can't)
[19:05] <JanC> cudgel: #ubuntu-cloud might be useful to
[19:05] <cudgel> ash, interesting, I didn't see that channel in the list.  I'll check it out!
[19:06] <cudgel> ah.  not ash.  fingers = fat.
[19:52] <alienz> hey guys, is there a way to install gcc on ubuntu server without having to install build-essential?
[19:53] <patdk-lap> sure just install gcc, and not build-essential
[19:57] <alienz> it was already installed.. what i was missing was g++.. thanks
[21:55] <Jacky> Yo everyone
[21:56] <Jacky> just had pop in and wondering if any body had any experience in getting ubuntu orchestra working
[21:57] <Jacky> :)
[21:57] <Jacky> nobody willing to share a secret or two?
[22:18] <lifeless> Jacky: everyone familiar with it is busy @ UDS
[22:18] <lifeless> Jacky: s/everyone/nearly everyone/
[22:19] <Jacky> Oh cool
[23:08] <Ursinha> /m/27
[23:15] <Takyoji> Anyone know of a way to remotely deploy Evolution configs for users? Or perhaps with Thunderbird, or?
[23:17] <twb> Takyoji: on a single LAN, from a server to a bunch of linux workstations?
[23:17] <twb> Takyoji: do the users' get their $HOME from the server?
[23:18] <Takyoji> their /home folder is via NFS
[23:18] <twb> You can probably just edit files in /home if it comes to that
[23:18] <twb> Most of the MUA config will be user-local
[23:19] <Takyoji> that's what I'm thinking; I'm just not sure if Evolution has secret little binary config files or similar
[23:19] <Takyoji> I was also worrying about password config, but I guess I'd just have the users save enter their passwords (or have it remembered by the keyring daemon)
[23:19] <twb> What I do for tbird, since I control the desktop SOE, is to put stuff in /usr/lib/thunderbird-*/greprefs/all.js
[23:20] <twb> http://paste.debian.net/142197/
[23:21] <Takyoji> Pssh, you and your convenient lambda scripts. :P
[23:41] <hydromet> SpamapS: just wanted you to know that indeed Ubuntu Server 9.10 amd64, when upgrading to 10.04, spawns a second SSH daemon in case of failure / emergency. This is great, it made my day and was easier than I expected (keep in mind, the Microsoft dominated world train people into thinking things have to be overly complex). How refreshing Ubuntu is!
[23:43] <twb> dru *is* overly complex