| === Hornet is now known as EgbertPopplewick | ||
| daubers | Morning | 07:07 |
|---|---|---|
| dwatkins | hiya | 07:12 |
| AlanBell | morning | 07:30 |
| tonytiger | hi | 08:15 |
| DJones | Morning all | 08:20 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | The future for datacentres and home servers? http://www.calxeda.com/ | 08:21 |
| diplo | Anyone recommend any open source Assett management software and also helpdesk software, preferably something that integrates together | 08:31 |
| diplo | I like OSTicket, but no asset stuff built in | 08:32 |
| diplo | Looks good stuff TheOpenSourcerer | 08:33 |
| diplo | I'd certainly want to use something that low power at home :) | 08:33 |
| AlanBell | ooh, ARM servers :) | 08:33 |
| AlanBell | and funnily enough canonical on the software partner page :) | 08:34 |
| smittix | Morning all | 08:38 |
| selinuxium | Morning all! :) | 08:46 |
| MooDoo | morning all | 08:58 |
| bigcalm | Morning peeps | 09:01 |
| MooDoo | :) | 09:01 |
| oimon | had to roll back to CM7.0.3 from 7.1.0 :( | 09:12 |
| MooDoo | oooooooooooooo | 09:13 |
| bigcalm | That sucks, why so? | 09:13 |
| oimon | had low space issues that i couldn't resolve, and some stuff wasn't working e.g. google chat | 09:14 |
| oimon | for no perceivable gain | 09:14 |
| oimon | need to make the decision quickly if you are gonna roll back to a previous backup | 09:14 |
| oimon | if i had have persevered, i probably could have moved the dalvik cache somewhere else | 09:15 |
| ali1234 | the NAS unit i just set up to replace the broken one is ARM | 09:24 |
| ali1234 | the old one was PPC | 09:24 |
| ali1234 | so ARM servers are already in the home | 09:24 |
| * MooDoo is getting a new nas | 09:24 | |
| ali1234 | what's so good about ARM servers in the datacentre anyway? | 09:25 |
| ali1234 | the only reason i can think to use them is because your servers are not CPU bound, and so running x86 is a waste of electricity | 09:25 |
| mattt | power consumption perhaps? :) | 09:25 |
| ali1234 | if you are akamai it probably makes sense | 09:26 |
| AlanBell | ali1234: core density as well, if you want that | 09:28 |
| mattt | ali1234: what kind of nas did you get? | 09:29 |
| ali1234 | iomega ix2-200 | 09:30 |
| mattt | weird, looks like some sort of APC unit | 09:30 |
| ali1234 | the firmware is terrible | 09:31 |
| mattt | ack, meeting, brb | 09:31 |
| AlanBell | ali1234: so it runs debian? | 09:31 |
| ali1234 | it runs a broken version of debian | 09:32 |
| oimon | ali1234: power consumption and heat production and less expensive air con | 09:32 |
| oimon | virtualisation offers similar benefits too of course | 09:32 |
| ali1234 | that's what i mean. ARM seems good if you have low CPU/high IO requirements | 09:33 |
| oimon | lots of servers in the datacentre are idling | 09:34 |
| oimon | in my experience | 09:34 |
| JamesTait | Gooooood mooooorning all! :D | 09:43 |
| MooDoo | morning JamesTait | 09:44 |
| Pernig | morning | 09:44 |
| JamesTait | How are we all this morning? | 09:45 |
| MooDoo | ready for the weekend but not bad, what about yourself | 09:48 |
| oimon | when making a OO impress doc and wanting to draw some block diagrams, is it best/easier to draw them in OOimpress, or another app and import them? | 09:48 |
| JamesTait | All fired up ready to kick some refactoring butt. :) | 09:49 |
| AlanBell | oimon: depends on complexity, but you can do a lot with impress, also the draw application in the suite | 09:50 |
| JamesTait | And sounding a little like a cross between beuno and jonobacon. :-P | 09:50 |
| AlanBell | which is basically the same, but without the slideshow bit (might have better layer support too) | 09:50 |
| oimon | AlanBell: cool, i was wondering if they were the same | 09:50 |
| oimon | gonna try impress | 09:50 |
| andylockran | Nov 2 09:52:51 enzo kernel: [ 2066.641830] at-spi-registry[5574]: segfault at 18 ip 00007f9f3e9da5f1 sp 00007fffa9565260 error 4 in libgconf-2.so.4.1.5[7f9f3e9c3000+2d000] | 10:04 |
| andylockran | I get logged out as soon as I attempt to login | 10:05 |
| andylockran | seeing that message above in the kern.log with oneric | 10:05 |
| andylockran | any ideas? | 10:12 |
| hoover | god morning | 10:22 |
| MooDoo | it's good as well :D | 10:23 |
| iclebyte | mornin | 10:23 |
| === AlanChicken is now known as AlanBell | ||
| bigcalm | I missed all of you so much! | 10:33 |
| andylockran | morning | 10:33 |
| DJones | That was somewhat of a netsplit | 10:35 |
| * DJones blames popey for being in the US and probably asleep at this time & not adminstering the whole of the internet properly | 10:36 | |
| bigcalm | DJones: sounds reasonable | 10:37 |
| bigcalm | Think I just killed the bookmark manager in Chromium \o/ | 10:37 |
| danfish | DJones: sshhh! He has a daemon process in his brain that works even when he's asleep monitoring this channel ;) | 10:44 |
| LjL | can someone please check why my uncloaked host appears to be banned from here? it's 93-32-53-73.ip32.fastwebnet.it | 10:45 |
| andylockran | I do like netsplits | 10:48 |
| bigcalm | LjL: that might be a request for #freenode | 10:49 |
| DJones | LjL: Give me a minute | 10:49 |
| LjL | bigcalm: erm, not really | 10:49 |
| DJones | I can only guess that it was from a time when you had connection problems & were bouncing in & out of the channel | 10:49 |
| LjL | freenode doesn't deal with channel bans | 10:49 |
| bigcalm | Oh, from this channel, sorry :) | 10:49 |
| LjL | DJones: i was thinking it might be that, thanks | 10:50 |
| DJones | Just got to remember the command to remove it now :) | 10:50 |
| LjL | DJones: you can't remove it now, because we've got no chanserv to op you :P | 10:50 |
| DJones | Bugger | 10:50 |
| LjL | well it doesn't matter very much, i'm usually cloaked | 10:50 |
| DJones | I'll remove it when I can anyway | 10:51 |
| LjL | thanks | 10:51 |
| DJones | Even freenode.net is down | 10:52 |
| bigcalm | -christel- [Global Notice] Hi all, one of our sponsors are experiencing some routing issues -- as a result we are missing a few servers, have a messed up rotation, no services and no web presence. Hopefully we'll return to some normality soon. Thank you for your patience and have a good day (or night, if you're Australian!) | 10:52 |
| DJones | Ah | 10:52 |
| bigcalm | ChanServ is back | 10:56 |
| DJones | LjL: Do you want to check thats working now | 11:03 |
| DJones | Back in a bit, just got head to a meeting for a minutes | 11:03 |
| oimon | i think that means djones has gone for a poo | 11:17 |
| * DJones kicks oimon | 11:18 | |
| oimon | irc'ing on the toilet? | 11:18 |
| DJones | Nah, ended up a 30 second web demo meeting | 11:18 |
| DJones | Is packages.ubuntu.com down? Can't decide if its just my web connection causing problems or the site itself | 11:20 |
| oimon | http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/packages.ubuntu.com | 11:20 |
| DJones | I suspect it must be my web connection because downforeveryoneorjustme.com seems down :) | 11:21 |
| oimon | woops | 11:24 |
| DJones | \o/ somebody has put a new hamster in the hamster wheel powering the internet | 11:30 |
| bigcalm | Where you getting an +++OUT OF CHEESE ERROR+++ ? | 11:31 |
| * bigcalm forgets the exact quote :S | 11:31 | |
| kirrus | We've seen some strange transient routing issues over the last few days | 11:34 |
| * awilkins is wondering if he should try Unity2d for a while | 11:36 | |
| DJones | bigcalm: | 11:36 |
| DJones | Yep, that was the warning | 11:36 |
| bigcalm | DJones: yes? | 11:36 |
| awilkins | If I didn't know this machine was perfectly stable in Windows, I'd suspect the hardware was flaking out | 11:36 |
| bigcalm | Ah | 11:37 |
| DJones | Why when you change to a new server, do you always forget the little things you've installed "just at the time", why do I never write them all down | 11:40 |
| awilkins | DJones, Yeah, I know | 11:40 |
| awilkins | DJones, It would be nice to have a tool that logs all that stuff and presents a structured list of what you did, so you could separate out the bits that you want everywhere and apply it to all new machines | 11:40 |
| DJones | yeah, would be good | 11:41 |
| bigcalm | A project for the 2 of you ;) | 11:41 |
| DJones | Wouldn't mind, its only a little piddly home server, serves a tiny static website, runs irssi, & keeps a stack of media files for distributing round the house | 11:42 |
| awilkins | How about... a terminal with an inbuilt wiki pane to the right... select the command text, type a documentation string, it logs that | 11:43 |
| awilkins | Would help eliminate all the piddly little commands you run like cd, ls | 11:43 |
| awilkins | Or annotate your bash history | 11:44 |
| bigcalm | That wouldn't log what you did in config files though | 11:45 |
| awilkins | bigcalm, No... so how do we link etckeeper or similar into this | 11:45 |
| awilkins | Link to the commit IDs in your log? | 11:45 |
| bigcalm | Erm, could do :) | 11:46 |
| bigcalm | I didn't know about etckeeper | 11:46 |
| bigcalm | !etckeeper | 11:46 |
| AlanBell | !info etckeeper | 11:46 |
| lubotu3` | etckeeper (source: etckeeper): store /etc in git, mercurial, bzr or darcs. In component main, is optional. Version 0.52ubuntu1 (natty), package size 26 kB, installed size 384 kB | 11:46 |
| bigcalm | AlanBell to the rescue! | 11:47 |
| bigcalm | Most interesting | 11:47 |
| awilkins | So, if etckeeper hooks apt, presumably you could also get it to log installed packages | 11:48 |
| awilkins | (or maybe it does alreadY) | 11:49 |
| kirrus | package changes are logged into /var/log/dpkg.log.. not sure how helpful that is for you though | 11:50 |
| Oli | popey: What's your job? Just saw your tweets. | 11:52 |
| directhex | pkgsync. | 11:52 |
| MooDoo | isn't it engineering manager? | 11:52 |
| bigcalm | Chief cake taster | 11:58 |
| Oli | :) | 12:01 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Laura Czajkowski] UDS-P Day 2 - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/11/02/uds-p-day-2/ | 12:05 |
| daubers | Afternoon | 12:07 |
| MooDoo | hiya daubers | 12:09 |
| AlanBell | anyone dipping into interesting sessions from UDS today? http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/today | 12:10 |
| daubers | AlanBell: WOuld do if I had some more time. Intending to try and read some of the summaries over the weekend | 12:10 |
| MooDoo | hola davmor2 how's UDS? | 12:15 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: I don't know it's the other side of the building ;) | 12:16 |
| bigcalm | MooDoo: I'm surprised that czajkowski hasn't sent him to the ER | 12:16 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: you're not partaking? Or ust got up? | 12:16 |
| MooDoo | bigcalm: give her chance :) | 12:16 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: No czajkowski won't kill me apparently as I'm organising the workspace thing :D | 12:17 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: no I'm on a team sprint | 12:17 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: ah! | 12:17 |
| * mattt is finally getting around to listening to the keynote | 12:17 | |
| bigcalm | davmor2: good, my words didn't go unheeded | 12:17 |
| mattt | huge openstack focus, wow | 12:18 |
| awilkins | Hummph, I've switched to Unity2d | 12:19 |
| awilkins | I shall see if this improves stability - my machine keeps having nasty crashes that coincidentally coincide with pretty graphics moments like window fades, etc | 12:20 |
| andylockran | :D | 12:22 |
| andylockran | I'm a happy bunny | 12:22 |
| MooDoo | andylockran: any particular reason? | 12:22 |
| andylockran | MooDoo: just enjoying xubuntu+dock | 12:22 |
| selinuxium | andylockran, Been given a carrot? | 12:22 |
| andylockran | selinuxium: I'd quite like a carrot | 12:22 |
| bigcalm | andylockran: which dock? | 12:23 |
| andylockran | docky | 12:24 |
| bigcalm | What's the difference from having a panel down there? | 12:24 |
| andylockran | it also holds minimized apps | 12:24 |
| bigcalm | I see | 12:25 |
| bigcalm | I didn't install it as I thought it would need gnome to work correctly | 12:25 |
| andylockran | nope - it works really well - though need to enable compositing | 12:25 |
| bigcalm | :| | 12:25 |
| andylockran | what's that face for? | 12:26 |
| * selinuxium posts andylockran a carrot... CoIP hasn't been invented yet... | 12:26 | |
| bigcalm | This system isn't the greatest under Linux for fancy graphics. Which is a shame | 12:26 |
| andylockran | CoIP | 12:27 |
| awilkins | Carrot over Internet Protocol | 12:27 |
| awilkins | Will have to make do with cookies. It does seem a short leap from there to cake, and thus carrot cake... but never mind | 12:28 |
| bigcalm | Great how the mind works ;) | 12:28 |
| bigcalm | andylockran: do you find it difficult to grab the edge of a window for resizing? | 12:32 |
| bigcalm | It feels like a pixel hunt to me | 12:33 |
| awilkins | Yeah, it's a single pixel area... the alt-F8 key shortcut is a nice idea but it rather removes your hand from the mouse, which is daft when you want to resize a window | 12:34 |
| bigcalm | Most interesting, ta | 12:35 |
| bigcalm | Really not optimal though | 12:35 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | bigcalm: Take a look at bug 160311 :-) | 12:35 |
| lubotu3` | Launchpad bug 160311 in metacity "Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160311 | 12:35 |
| awilkins | No, my hand reach is not enough to hit alt-f8 with my left hand, so It's a 2-hand key combo | 12:35 |
| awilkins | So I have to leave the mouse to do it | 12:35 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | An old and bloody annoying bug. | 12:36 |
| bigcalm | awilkins: use the right hand alt? | 12:37 |
| bigcalm | TheOpenSourcerer: poo :( | 12:37 |
| awilkins | bigcalm, AltGr doesn't work | 12:38 |
| bigcalm | So I see | 12:38 |
| bigcalm | Why do I struggle to decide what to have for lunch? | 12:53 |
| bigcalm | It really shouldn't be this stressful | 12:53 |
| daubers | bigcalm: I've been told to find myself a new work computer | 12:53 |
| daubers | thats more stressful | 12:53 |
| bigcalm | But you can't eat a computer | 12:54 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Ham Sandwich with some of my amazing Chilli Chutney :-D | 12:54 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | 50 Chillies and 25 cloves of Garlic | 12:54 |
| bigcalm | How long did it take you to learn to like having your mouth on fire? | 12:56 |
| daubers | TheOpenSourcerer: So you're trying to get some time to yourself then.... | 12:56 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | bigcalm: About 28 years I guess. | 12:56 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | daubers: :-D | 12:57 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | It also goes very well with cheese too. | 12:57 |
| bigcalm | Next you'll tell us that you like chilli chocolate | 12:57 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I say "my" Chilli Chutney. I did make it but it was this recipe: http://www.greatcurryrecipes.net/2011/10/27/how-to-make-my-favourite-green-chilli-chutney/ | 12:58 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Great website BTW | 12:58 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | bigcalm: I do, and so does my 7 yr old son. | 12:58 |
| bigcalm | My future mother-in-law likes it as well. But I think mothers-in-law are meant to be odd ;) | 12:59 |
| dogmatic69 | anyone used ganglia? | 13:02 |
| dogmatic69 | looks pretty good | 13:03 |
| popey | $morning all | 13:03 |
| bigcalm | Afternoon part-timer | 13:03 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | hey popey! Guess what I got yesterday ;-) | 13:04 |
| bigcalm | popey: Does every morning start with a hangover, or is that just Aq? | 13:04 |
| popey | haha | 13:04 |
| popey | i have no hangover | 13:04 |
| popey | which is surprising | 13:04 |
| popey | TheOpenSourcerer: hp touchpad? | 13:05 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | 32G | 13:05 |
| popey | ooo nice | 13:05 |
| popey | just one? | 13:05 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Unfortunately yes. | 13:05 |
| popey | ☹ | 13:05 |
| AlanBell | got ubuntu on it yet? | 13:05 |
| popey | heh | 13:05 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I haven't even unboxed it yet. | 13:05 |
| bigcalm | TheOpenSourcerer: Put CM on it | 13:06 |
| * popey is in an interesting session about linaro set top boxes | 13:09 | |
| bigcalm | Central heating just came on. Woot \o/ | 13:09 |
| popey | heh | 13:10 |
| bigcalm | What can we expect the next gen. of set top boxes then? | 13:14 |
| bigcalm | Will TiVo be a thing of the past? | 13:14 |
| mattt | does anyone here use juju? | 13:18 |
| oimon | i wonder how many cheapo STB's over the next year or so will turn out to be a raspberry pi hidden in a bigger case | 13:18 |
| AlanBell | oimon: not the ones that are linaro based | 13:18 |
| denny | how can I set the window auto-raise delay for focus-follows-mouse in 11.10 gnome fallback? (or whatever the non-unity, non-gnome-shell UI is called) | 14:06 |
| popey | davmor2: what was that macro recorder thing you mentioned? | 14:16 |
| davmor2 | popey: xpresser ? | 14:17 |
| popey | ta | 14:17 |
| Myrtti | I think more tea is needed | 14:20 |
| selinuxium | Is there any way of opening applications on particular workspaces? I open the same applications and put them in the same workspaces every morning... would be nice to automate... | 14:27 |
| selinuxium | To add to the dilemma I have a dual screen set-up | 14:27 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | selinuxium: Me too :-) If you find out how to do that I'd love to know. | 14:29 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Thunderbird on screen 1, FFox and Hotot on 2, OpenERP Client on 3 and 4 mostly eclipse and/or other stuff. | 14:30 |
| selinuxium | TheOpenSourcerer, :) Will do... How are you doing anyway? You near Liverpool Street any time soon? | 14:30 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Good thanks selinuxium but not got any "in town" meeting booked for the forseeable right now. | 14:31 |
| daubers | urgh, I dislike it when customers say "We know you told us not to do this but....." | 14:31 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | ha | 14:31 |
| daubers | The answer is generally "Sorry, you're on your own, or you can pay for a callout at £1000+VAT per day (min 1 day) to fix it" | 14:32 |
| selinuxium | TheOpenSourcerer, Next time you are in town give me a bell for beer! :) Also... http://www.foosel.org/linux/devilspie is looking promising... | 14:40 |
| denny | selinuxium: if you're running Compiz you can teach it rules for specific windows... based on their titles I think | 14:41 |
| denny | window placement is a long-running pile of &"$£* in Linux/X | 14:41 |
| denny | if you file a bug about it, everyone goes "It's not our fault, it's their fault!" and points at someone else | 14:42 |
| denny | it's very tedious | 14:42 |
| denny | currently it's actually down to application developers to save and request restoration of window position, which seems a bit silly. | 14:43 |
| selinuxium | hi denny, yeah I am using Compiz but i need to open Chromium-browser in 2 workspaces, one in incognito so I can have 2 google accounts open... | 14:43 |
| denny | funtiems :) | 14:43 |
| selinuxium | denny, TheOpenSourcerer, there appears to be a GUI - gDevilspie | 14:44 |
| denny | I used devils pie before, but the built-in stuff in compiz seemed to be equivalent or better when I was last looking | 14:45 |
| denny | I don't even know what WM I'm using any more | 14:45 |
| denny | 11.10 has done odd things to my machine :) | 14:46 |
| denny | well, trying to run 11.10 but without Unity has done odd things | 14:46 |
| denny | Gnome Shell won't even load on my three-screen setup | 14:46 |
| denny | although it looked pretty rubbish before it crashed anyway | 14:46 |
| denny | so I'm running the fallback thing | 14:46 |
| denny | which is a bit rubbish, but at least I can get work done without the UI getting in my way all the time | 14:47 |
| nymwar | Gnome shell seems to be running well on my system on 11.10 | 14:47 |
| denny | do you have three monitors running off of two graphics cards? | 14:47 |
| nymwar | no | 14:47 |
| denny | I find this causes me a number of issues :) | 14:47 |
| denny | in 11.10's defence, this is the first installation of Linux ever to find all three monitors and enable them using only GUI tools | 14:48 |
| denny | shame about Unity really | 14:48 |
| denny | and as I say, Gnome Shell didn't like the three monitors, which is interesting given that fallback manages okay and that's still gnome3 if I understand correctly? | 14:48 |
| AlanBell | unity is a shell for gnome3 | 14:49 |
| denny | oh aye? | 14:49 |
| AlanBell | gnome-shell is another shell for gnome 3 | 14:49 |
| denny | right | 14:49 |
| denny | I didn't much like the look of either, but Unity did at least run :) | 14:49 |
| AlanBell | and fallback uses the two panel shell for gnome 3 | 14:50 |
| denny | it just took ages to switch between windows and stuff like that | 14:50 |
| denny | (in terms of my identifying the window I wanted and selecting it, rather than in terms of rendering speed etc) | 14:50 |
| AlanBell | alt-tab is not very deterministic under unity, I turned that off and use one of the normal switchers | 14:50 |
| denny | the 'I must be on the left of the screen' thing was a bit of a nuisance on a triple-head setup too... the left of the left screen is a long way away :) | 14:51 |
| denny | I tried Cairo Dock but that was quite faffy too | 14:51 |
| denny | I'm fairly sure having a task bar is actually quicker for switching between windows, rather than just being what I'm used to | 14:52 |
| denny | always hard to assess your own biases though | 14:52 |
| denny | the fact that I like focus-follows-mouse doesn't really work well with the detached menu bar thingy either | 14:52 |
| denny | i r special snowflake edge case, I guess | 14:53 |
| AlanBell | focus-follows-mouse has been mentioned in some of the design sessions at UDS | 14:53 |
| denny | if you're coming from Windows 7, Unity is probably quite nice | 14:53 |
| denny | it looks quite similar, to my uneducated eye | 14:53 |
| MooDoo | if you're coming from windows 7 it's aweful, then again if you're linux then windows then linux, it all becomes a blur lol | 14:54 |
| denny | heh | 14:54 |
| AlanBell | http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/meeting/19802/design-p-design-and-community/ would be a good session to bring up comments about unity and what you want it to be in 12.04 | 14:56 |
| AlanBell | at 4PM today | 14:56 |
| AlanBell | live audio here -> http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/bonaire2.ogg.m3u | 14:57 |
| AlanBell | talk to the room in the #ubuntu-uds-bonaire2 IRC channel | 14:57 |
| AlanBell | the IRC channel is on a big projector at the front of the room, all rooms have dual projectors, one for IRC, one with a dangling VGA connector for laptops | 14:58 |
| AlanBell | so do go in there and politely say you would like multi-monitor improvements and alt-tab to be unbroken | 14:58 |
| oly | hi, anyone in here able to tell me why firefox is not associated to application when i download files | 15:03 |
| oly | for example when i download a word document it trys to use archive manager instead of open office and open office is not available in the list | 15:04 |
| daubers | oly: It's a known bug. I think a fix has been released...... | 15:26 |
| daubers | bug 873470 | 15:26 |
| lubotu3` | Launchpad bug 873470 in desktop-file-utils (Ubuntu Oneiric) "File-roller is associated with .docx,.xlsx,.pptx files instead of LibreOffice" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/873470 | 15:26 |
| daubers | it might be filtering through the system | 15:26 |
| bigcalm | Everything is associated with the Archive Manager upon installing 11.10 | 15:26 |
| bigcalm | A bit silly really :) | 15:27 |
| oly | aha cheers for that info daubers | 15:29 |
| jacobw | pentadactyl > vimperator? discuss. | 16:02 |
| === chrisccoulson_ is now known as chrisccoulson | ||
| * denny blinks | 16:08 | |
| denny | Evolution won't let me create any IMAP folders today | 16:08 |
| denny | that's helpful | 16:08 |
| bigcalm | Evolution has never been helpful. Why does it still exist? | 16:09 |
| denny | I find it more usable than Thunderbird, on average | 16:10 |
| denny | they all have their quirks though | 16:10 |
| jacobw | denny: have you tried thunderbird with muttator? | 16:10 |
| denny | nope? | 16:11 |
| jacobw | http://vimperator.org/muttator | 16:11 |
| bigcalm | o.O | 16:12 |
| bigcalm | vim is going the way of emacs | 16:12 |
| funkyHat | http://dactyl.sourceforge.net/teledactyl | 16:13 |
| jacobw | (no (its (not))) | 16:13 |
| bigcalm | funkyHat: same thing with a different name? | 16:14 |
| funkyHat | bigcalm: that's just an extension for thunderbird that gives it vi-like keybindings, not actually part of vim | 16:14 |
| funkyHat | bigcalm: more up to date fork I believe | 16:14 |
| bigcalm | I know, but everything is starting to look like vim ;) | 16:14 |
| czajkowski | aloha | 16:14 |
| bigcalm | Ah yes, just read that | 16:14 |
| bigcalm | Hi czajkowski :) | 16:14 |
| denny | why anyone would want anything to behave like vim I have no idea | 16:14 |
| denny | or like any CLI application for that matter, they're almost all completely insane | 16:14 |
| denny | vi has always struck me as particularly special though... a text editor that, when you load it, won't let you edit the text (until you change mode) | 16:15 |
| funkyHat | denny: vim has a bit of a steep learning curve but then the amount of keypresses required to do stuff just gets less and less | 16:15 |
| denny | primary purpose fail :) | 16:15 |
| funkyHat | Except experienced vim users probably spend less time in insert mode than other modes | 16:16 |
| funkyHat | Starting in insert modewould annoy me, at any rate ;) | 16:18 |
| bigcalm | There are 2 things that need to be made obvious when using an editor: 1) how to edit. 2) how to exit | 16:20 |
| funkyHat | That depends on whether you're trying to make a tet editor that's easy to use or a text editor that's fast to use | 16:23 |
| funkyHat | s/tet/text/ | 16:23 |
| ali1234 | vim isn't fast to use | 16:23 |
| bigcalm | It's quite often set as the default editor on systems. I had no idea what I was doing when I 1st tried to edit a cronjob | 16:24 |
| ali1234 | most of the claimed "fast" things you can do with it rely on you having memorized the entire text you are editing | 16:24 |
| funkyHat | ali1234: I disagree | 16:24 |
| denny | yeah, pico would be a friendlier default | 16:25 |
| denny | with the menu across the bottom :) | 16:25 |
| funkyHat | But I'm also not going to suggest that it should be the default editor ⢁) | 16:25 |
| funkyHat | Or nano. I think nano is the default in ubuntu | 16:25 |
| jacobw | nano provided by debian and ubuntu for intuitive editting | 16:25 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | nano is pretty cool as long as you open it with -c | 16:27 |
| bigcalm | I open with -w | 16:27 |
| bigcalm | Otherwise it kills configs | 16:27 |
| bigcalm | As with everything, you need to know what you're doing before you start | 16:28 |
| * funkyHat sshes into a box that has nano on it to check what those options do | 16:28 | |
| funkyHat | What? It actually edits lines just bcause they are too long without -w? | 16:30 |
| denny | :-o | 16:30 |
| denny | helpful. | 16:30 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I have not experienced that issue before. I like -c cause it shows your cursor position a.k.a line number | 16:31 |
| NET||abuse | hey guys. i'm on a new work machine, ubuntu 11.10, tomboy fails to finish initial sync | 16:33 |
| NET||abuse | i get about 38 of my 200 notes downloaded, then it stops | 16:33 |
| NET||abuse | just says failed to sync, see below for details, that gives me the 38 notes with "Added" indicated beside each one, but that's it. | 16:34 |
| NET||abuse | no errors apparent in that list | 16:34 |
| jacobw | NET||abuse: which synchronisation method are you using? | 16:34 |
| jacobw | i've seen the same episode of scrubs twice today on sky | 16:56 |
| jacobw | perhaps its a good thing i've never had sky before | 16:56 |
| sadsun | I watch everything online nowadays | 16:57 |
| aaronr | upgrading a machine to 11.10 and see a message saying "the support in ubuntu 11.10 for your intel graphics hardware is limited and you may encounter problems after the upgrade" — will this computer still work in the Ubuntu 2D mode, or does it need a better graphics card before i upgrade? (are there any docs on what doesn't work?) | 17:23 |
| jacobw | aaronr: http://friendly.ubuntu.com/ | 17:28 |
| NET||abuse | jacobw: oops, an hour later..... | 17:34 |
| aaronr | jacobw: thanks, but i'm interested in what specifically won't work. if it will work in unity 2d mode, then i don't need to upgrade the graphics card. if not, i will. | 17:34 |
| NET||abuse | jacobw: yeh, using Tomboy Web sync, through Ubuntu One | 17:35 |
| jacobw | aaronr: can you try it with the live image? | 17:36 |
| jacobw | NET||abuse: how many notes can you see in the web interfac? | 17:38 |
| aaronr | jacobw: yeah, i can give it a shot. | 17:39 |
| aaronr | i'd still like to understand what's changed in 11.10 and find out more about what will break, though. i'm having trouble finding relevant docs explaining this message. | 17:40 |
| jacobw | do you know which driver your using? | 17:40 |
| gord | http://i.imgur.com/CGB8v.png is genius. | 17:43 |
| aaronr | jacobw: according to Xorg.log it's the intel driver for an intel 865g gpu | 17:45 |
| AlanBell | gord: that got through the app review process! | 17:54 |
| jacobw | aaronr: i don't think there's any regressions, looking at launchpad bugs and answers doesn't uncover any new issues in oneiric | 18:03 |
| bigcalm | gord: haha | 18:03 |
| diplo | Evening all | 18:05 |
| diplo | Gnome3 is much smoother than unity so far | 18:06 |
| BigRedS | Gnome3 has more boring bugs than unity, though | 18:17 |
| diplo | Not for me yet, not crashed once yet | 18:18 |
| diplo | Yet unity has crashed multiple times | 18:18 |
| aaronr | thanks jacobw | 18:18 |
| BigRedS | nah, not crashes, just stupid design decisions | 18:18 |
| BigRedS | I've not had either crash much at all | 18:18 |
| diplo | Oh unity has been once or twice a night | 18:18 |
| diplo | Don't like the no option of minimise though | 18:18 |
| BigRedS | yeah, that's the sort of design decisions that need fixing | 18:19 |
| BigRedS | that's the thing, gnome3 is broken out of the box in a usability sense, so you isntall these extensions and it works | 18:20 |
| BigRedS | unity just does random things every so often to keep me on my toes | 18:20 |
| gr33npeace | whois tomk tomk | 18:46 |
| sadsun | busted | 18:46 |
| mattt | haha | 18:56 |
| mattt | boosted | 18:56 |
| bigcalm | Mmm, could nobble a Boost | 18:57 |
| === ali12341 is now known as ali1234 | ||
| jacobw | i'm considering a system76 lemur ultra, can anyone testify as to their quality? | 19:08 |
| stevepdp | evening friends | 19:42 |
| === arsen is now known as Guest95200 | ||
| daubers | Evening | 20:07 |
| mattt | howzit guys | 20:09 |
| feisar | I've just done a clean install of 11.10 with an nvidia card, activated the nvidia drivers but I have no shadows on the desktop - why would that be? | 20:17 |
| jacobw | feisar: have you restarted the X server since activating the drivers? you can log out and back in again to do so | 20:21 |
| feisar | jacobw: yeah I have restarted and still no go, thanks | 20:30 |
| jajajajaj | 895 | 20:31 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Jonathan Riddell] Precise Ubuntu Developer Summit - http://blogs.kde.org/node/4496 | 21:05 |
| ali1234 | i just watched the a-team reboot movie | 21:09 |
| ali1234 | it's terrible | 21:09 |
| ali1234 | don't watch it | 21:09 |
| DJones | A wish you'd said that about 6 months ago | 21:10 |
| hamitron | is it so bad I got to watch it, to believe how bad it is? ;) | 21:10 |
| ali1234 | no | 21:11 |
| ali1234 | it's just stupid | 21:11 |
| ali1234 | i haven't really watched any films in ages | 21:15 |
| Myrtti | apparently the frozen planet on bbc is really exciting | 21:15 |
| hamitron | Myrtti, after Planet Dinosaur, I haven't bothered with that one | 21:15 |
| hamitron | :/ | 21:15 |
| ali1234 | hamitron http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3uIQZkXPkU | 21:16 |
| hamitron | ouuu | 21:16 |
| hamitron | I got a server to bypass youtube filtering now, so i can download it | 21:17 |
| hamitron | :) | 21:17 |
| ali1234 | what is youtube filtering | 21:17 |
| hamitron | I blocked youtube | 21:17 |
| ali1234 | you blocked youtube and then you got a server to get around your own block | 21:17 |
| hamitron | so others here can't slow down my internet | 21:17 |
| hamitron | yes | 21:17 |
| hamitron | haha | 21:17 |
| hamitron | I can't remember the command for downloading youtube | 21:18 |
| hamitron | :/ | 21:18 |
| MartijnVdS | wget | 21:19 |
| hamitron | wget does it? | 21:19 |
| MartijnVdS | if you know the URL, sure | 21:20 |
| ali1234 | http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xb53su_nathan-smithe-s-tv-impossible-plane_fun | 21:20 |
| ali1234 | same video | 21:20 |
| hamitron | but.... | 21:21 |
| hamitron | still need to work this out | 21:22 |
| hamitron | :/ | 21:22 |
| hamitron | ali1234, that is blocked too | 21:23 |
| hamitron | I'm just been dumb with youtube-dl | 21:23 |
| hamitron | :/ | 21:23 |
| hamitron | can't work it out | 21:23 |
| hamitron | why is this not working? | 21:28 |
| hamitron | youtube-dl -b http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3uIQZkXPkU | 21:28 |
| hamitron | :/ | 21:29 |
| ali1234 | because you've blocked youtube? | 21:29 |
| hamitron | it isn't blocked on the server I'm running that | 21:30 |
| hamitron | get_iplayer works | 21:31 |
| hamitron | :) | 21:31 |
| DJones | hamitron: Just ran that same command, I get an error "no such option: -b" | 21:31 |
| hamitron | b for best | 21:31 |
| DJones | -b isn't listed in the options for man youtube-dl | 21:32 |
| hamitron | well, can you get it working at all? | 21:33 |
| hamitron | -b, --best-quality download the best quality video possible | 21:33 |
| jacobw | version? | 21:33 |
| DJones | Just take the -b, seems to be working for me | 21:33 |
| DJones | "youtube-dl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3uIQZkXPkU" | 21:34 |
| hamitron | version is 2010.04.04 | 21:34 |
| DJones | hamitron: http://pastebin.com/pi0s7Ybg | 21:36 |
| hamitron | DJones, what is youtube-dl -v | 21:37 |
| hamitron | ? | 21:37 |
| * hamitron on lucid | 21:37 | |
| DJones | hamitron: No idea, I've never used it until you mentioned you had problems | 21:38 |
| DJones | -v is version | 21:38 |
| hamitron | I mean, what version you have? | 21:38 |
| hamitron | ;) | 21:38 |
| DJones | sorry, just realised that | 21:38 |
| DJones | 2011.08.04 (I'm on 11.10) | 21:39 |
| hamitron | must be some fixes :/ | 21:39 |
| DJones | These are the options available in this version http://pastebin.com/3D9wnNAa | 21:41 |
| hamitron | I guess it is tough keeping apps up-to-date with online services that change | 21:41 |
| Laney | especially ones that probably don't want you doing it | 21:42 |
| hamitron | DJones, yeh, different :) | 21:43 |
| ali1234 | i was thinking about that the other day when trying to rip a video from the bbc | 21:43 |
| hamitron | http://pastebin.com/TuWMgMHC | 21:43 |
| hamitron | one reason i don't like all this online stuff tbh | 21:44 |
| ali1234 | you can make a foolproof ripper by using tcpdump | 21:44 |
| hamitron | :/ | 21:45 |
| hamitron | I can? ;/ maybe you can | 21:45 |
| hamitron | ;) | 21:45 |
| ali1234 | then i was thinking a bit more | 21:45 |
| ali1234 | and i came up with the idea of dumping all packets and replaying them | 21:46 |
| ali1234 | rather than spidering everything and trying to keep up with site changes | 21:46 |
| hamitron | but wouldn't that be messy, and increase storage size? | 21:46 |
| ali1234 | just record every outgoing stream, checksum on the first few bytes, and then store the response | 21:47 |
| hamitron | also, would need another app that supports connecting in the first place | 21:47 |
| ali1234 | it would be done at the network device level | 21:48 |
| ali1234 | you'd have a special network device that has recording or playback modes | 21:48 |
| ali1234 | most of the infrastructure for this already exists | 21:48 |
| jacobw | it'd allow many users on a high bandwidth domain to stream X from a low bandwidth domain | 21:48 |
| ali1234 | i suppose it could be used as a cache too | 21:49 |
| ali1234 | i've done some work on a wayback machine type of thing | 21:49 |
| hamitron | imo, the bbc and youtube should just have torrents | 21:49 |
| ali1234 | and spidering pages that uses flash etc is hard | 21:49 |
| hamitron | ;) | 21:49 |
| ali1234 | mainly because flashplugin crashes so much | 21:50 |
| ali1234 | the approach i used was to use webkit and hook every received file | 21:50 |
| ali1234 | since plugins go through the browser api for most stuff | 21:50 |
| ali1234 | but it isn't perfect | 21:50 |
| Laney | how do I rate something in the software centre? | 21:50 |
| ali1234 | you have to write a review i think | 21:51 |
| Laney | don't think so | 21:51 |
| ali1234 | and you have to be logged in of course | 21:51 |
| Laney | but how do you get to that bit? | 21:51 |
| === denny- is now known as denny | ||
| ali1234 | i don't really use software centre | 21:51 |
| Laney | can't see anywhere to log in | 21:51 |
| ali1234 | you also have to have the package installed | 21:52 |
| Laney | yes | 21:52 |
| ali1234 | you have to go to more info | 21:52 |
| ali1234 | then scroll down to "add your review" | 21:52 |
| ali1234 | "write your own review" | 21:53 |
| Laney | found it | 21:54 |
| hamitron | heh | 21:54 |
| hamitron | youtube-dl is just a python script | 21:54 |
| hamitron | so downloaded it and running with ./youtube-dl | 21:54 |
| Laney | "An exception representing server-side error" | 21:54 |
| hamitron | ;) | 21:54 |
| Laney | hah | 21:54 |
| ali1234 | i tried to write a review once and it just crashed the whole thing | 21:56 |
| ali1234 | that was ages ago though | 21:56 |
| ali1234 | i heard that has been fixed | 21:56 |
| Laney | worked on the second try | 21:57 |
| hamitron | ali1234, 55mins remaining | 21:58 |
| ali1234 | hah | 21:58 |
| ali1234 | the video isn't worth it | 21:58 |
| hamitron | oh, ok | 21:58 |
| hamitron | well, at least I got the downloader fixed now, for when there is something worth getting | 21:59 |
| hamitron | ;) | 21:59 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Jono Bacon] UDS In Full Swing - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/11/02/uds-in-full-swing/ | 22:05 |
| dwatkins | I wish they hadn't turned off Google Reader's ability to share links via bookmarklet. | 22:06 |
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