[00:27] <rick_h> Blazeix: heh, glad I'm not the only one
[00:27] <rick_h> I'm actually thinking of checkout out some OSS readers
[00:30] <rick_h> is the new gmail just done in theme?
[00:30] <rick_h> I've had a custom theme set
[00:30] <rick_h> or do I just not have it yet?
[00:33] <Blazeix> you'll see a little black box in the lower right of gmail asking you to switch to it
[00:34] <rick_h> ah ok, so don't have it yet
[00:57] <rick_h> hmm, ok so I don't get the big deal on the gmail
[00:58] <gamerchick02> me either. it's nice the way it is i guess. i dunno
[00:58] <Blazeix> i'm not sure there is a big deal. I'm a fan of the new search ui, though
[00:58] <rick_h> I'm not a huge gmail user though I guess
[00:58] <rick_h> mutt ftw
[00:59] <rick_h> still trying to use reader and not happy
[00:59] <rick_h> oh well, nothing lasts forever
[01:00] <rick_h> at least the new gmail fits in 960px
[01:00] <rick_h> unlike the rest of the new updated sites
[01:17] <gamerchick02> mutt? i never got the hang of mutt
[01:17] <gamerchick02> i'm a huge fan of gmail though because of my multiple computers/OSes.
[01:36] <jjesse> i like the new gmail
[01:36] <jjesse> i don't hate everythin
[02:00] <gamerchick02> :)
[02:02] <gamerchick02> ok. i'm off to sleep. yeah. early bird gets the worm... actually, early bird gets the parking space.
[02:29] <snap-l> I love it when people make commitments that suddenly become my problem to help out
[02:30] <snap-l> Wondering how well being a hobo pays.
[02:31] <jjesse> i heard there was a hobo that went apeshit in a starbucks today because no one gave him money
[02:32] <snap-l> Hm, I'll have to work on going apeshit
[02:32] <greg-g> done already?
[02:32] <greg-g> :P
[02:32] <snap-l> greg-g: Oh you haven't seen the full power of the ape-shit
[02:33] <snap-l> I put the shit in apes just so they too can go ape-shit
[02:33] <greg-g> ewww
[02:33]  * snap-l is a conniseur of ap-shittery.
[11:31] <brousch> Ah, you can change the spacing on the new Gmail theme
[11:36] <rick_h> yea, but that didn't change anything for me
[11:36] <rick_h> I even reloaded it
[11:36] <rick_h> was strange
[11:42] <Wolfger> Morning.
[11:42] <brousch> you tried cozy and compact?
[11:42] <brousch> compact is much more usable to me
[11:42] <rick_h> I'm running compact
[11:42] <rick_h> I can't seem to get it out of it
[11:42] <Wolfger> OK, question for those of you who like the new Gmail look: Is there any way to keep it from auto-hiding your labels? That's just a die-in-a-fire dealbreaker for me.
[11:43] <brousch> i think the inbox view and single message view can be set seperately
[11:43] <rick_h> ah, there we go
[11:43] <rick_h> it goes off of your brower window size it appears
[11:43] <rick_h> since i had my browser tiled it'd only let me use compact or something
[11:43] <brousch> interesting
[11:43] <rick_h> I had extra text in there "Current window" next to compact
[11:43] <brousch> Wolfger: my labels are visible
[11:43] <rick_h> when I made the browser full screen and reloaded it was different
[11:43] <Wolfger> rick_h: so much for "gives you more control" :-p
[11:44] <rick_h> meh, keep it on compact, only usable one of the bunch
[11:44] <Wolfger> "your window was small, so we figure you want this thing that you don't actually want"
[11:45] <brousch> mahogony theme kind of fits with ubuntu
[11:45] <Wolfger> brousch: if I hide my chat contacts, I can see my labels, but only because I set it to only show labels with unread messages.
[11:45] <Wolfger> but I don't want to hide my contacts
[11:45] <rick_h> I've limited my labels anyway
[11:46] <rick_h> to the few I use regularly
[11:46] <brousch> Wolfger: you can drag the divider between chat and labels
[11:46] <Wolfger> but teh Google Overlords have decreed they don't want that sidebar to scroll, because obviously we want to see everything that's on the sidebar at all times, even if that means auto-hiding chunks of it so you can't see them ever without mouseover
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[11:47] <brousch> ah, when i mouse over labels it auto-expands to show them all
[11:47] <Wolfger> Google is becoming FB
[11:47] <brousch> but you can drag down the chat section as far as you want
[11:47] <Wolfger> "we're just going to change everything you liked to something different. Deal with it."
[11:49] <brousch> Wolfger: i don't see the problem with this, you can choose to show all your labels or more chat
[11:49] <brousch> unless you have more labels than fit on the screen i guess
[11:52] <Wolfger> brousch: the problem is I didn't used to have to choose between them, and now I do. All the while, Google is claiming the new look gives me "more control". FAIL
[11:52] <brousch> not a big fan of the new conversation view
[11:53] <brousch> Wolfger: how did it used to work? you scrolled the page to see the chat?
[11:53] <Wolfger> but.... I can't chat at work anymore anyways, so this is only really an issue at home
[11:53] <Wolfger> brousch: yep
[11:53] <brousch> now you have to scroll within the label section or the chat section
[11:55] <Wolfger> I'm considering dropping the web interface and switching to a mail client. :-p
[11:57] <brousch> well i never use the chat clienbt
[11:57] <brousch> empathy and pidgin
[11:58] <Wolfger> Plus, Buzz, Mail.... Google is just destroying everything I loved about Google
[11:58] <brousch> Thechanges so far are less annoying than Unity
[12:00] <Wolfger> well, that's a given
[12:04] <brousch> i guess i'm saying that everything changes. get used to it, things are only changing more frequently lately
[12:11] <Wolfger> Also hating the thickness of the bar for previously read messages in the thread.
[12:23] <Wolfger> everything about the new look is just gobbling screen real-estate (or so it seems).
[12:24] <brousch> Compact!
[12:24] <Wolfger> It's like they want everything to be touch-screen friendly.
[12:24] <Wolfger> I switched to compact. I did not see any difference.
[12:46] <Wolfger> Man, now SideWiki is going away? That sucks. Er, now that I remember it exists. :-)
[12:47] <Wolfger> sounds like Google is cleaning house.
[12:50] <rick_h> party
[12:50] <rick_h> hmm, lag seems to not be around atm
[13:10] <rick_h> what's the video card of choice for external ubuntu work these days?
[13:10] <rick_h> jcastro: ^ ?
[13:10] <rick_h> the certified site only lists whole machines :(
[13:11] <snap-l> I'm using ATI (5450). It's inexpensive, but has enough power for light 3D and video
[13:12] <snap-l> Was using a 3450 before, but it had issues with tearing videos
[13:12] <rick_h> ok
[13:12] <rick_h> NC dude is looking for a dual out upgrade to his desktop
[13:12] <snap-l> Dual monitor?
[13:13] <rick_h> yea
[13:13] <rick_h> guess his current card is single only
[13:13] <snap-l> How much into performance is he?
[13:13] <rick_h> he says no 3d, just work stuff
[13:14] <rick_h> but he's running ubuntu so might as well be unity friendly
[13:16] <brousch> rick_h: last day?
[13:16] <rick_h> http://www.knowvim.com/#
[13:16] <rick_h> brousch: hopefully, if I can get this crap done and people can leave me alone for an hour
[13:17] <brousch> sorry
[13:17] <snap-l> rick_h: Yeah, The ATI5450 appears to be unity friendly
[13:18] <rick_h> brousch: heh sorry didn't mean that at you
[13:18] <snap-l> but I'm tied to ATI because I"m using an AMD board
[13:18] <snap-l> YMMV.
[13:18] <rick_h> just it's been crazy trying to wrap up, everyone wants all kinds of stuff and things seem to want to blow up against me
[13:18] <snap-l> I think DBO recommended not getting ATI cards.
[13:19] <rick_h> yea, I can never keep up
[13:19] <rick_h> thought they were going to be getting better/more open
[13:19] <snap-l> Also the 5450 has VGA and DVI out.
[13:19] <snap-l> They are, but their drivers are still not 100%
[13:20] <snap-l> They've always had buggy drivers
[13:20] <snap-l> just happens to have bugs that I either don't exercise, or are bugs I can live with. ;)
[13:57] <snap-l> We would like to offer you a valuable coupon for your next Staples
[13:57] <snap-l> in-store purchase.
[13:57] <snap-l> To receive your coupon, click below and complete a short survey about a
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[13:57] <snap-l> ;)
[13:58] <rick_h> lol
[13:58] <snap-l> Wow, this page is fugly.
[13:58] <rick_h> look for morpace on the page anywhere
[13:58] <snap-l> Visioncritical?
[13:59] <rick_h> nope,looks like a competitor
[13:59] <snap-l> Looks like ass
[13:59] <rick_h> or maybe a tool, but I think our staples stuff is through our lighthouse system
[14:03] <snap-l> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9058804/staples.png
[14:03] <snap-l> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9058804/staples2.png
[14:22] <snap-l> Apparently it's a survey for their arc notebooks
[14:27] <rick_h> gotcha
[14:34] <snap-l> Just saw Staples and survey, and figured "I have to take this"
[14:35] <snap-l> kinda like folks hear "Ford" and "work there" and suddenly ask you if you know such and such
[14:35] <snap-l> even though that person is in Ohio, and works at a plant
[14:37] <rick_h> yea, all cool
[15:02] <brousch> hey, cool. banshee can download my amazon music without me installing that damn amazon downloader
[15:02] <snap-l> Yeah, it's pretty nice.
[15:03] <rick_h> yea, was one of the best selling points for the amz integration
[15:07] <snap-l> http://archives.seul.org/pygame/users/Nov-2011/msg00003.html
[15:20] <rick_h> oh good grief...last day...so I can go off on NC dude right?
[15:21] <_stink_> yep!
[15:21] <_stink_> copy us.
[15:21] <brousch> don't burn them bridges!
[15:21] <rick_h> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/9CcaL2YQEDNDre8ptkrs/
[15:21] <rick_h> nothing too bad yet
[15:22] <rick_h> but man, not in the mood for this crap
[15:22] <brousch> ohmy, you didn't filter out his handle this time
[15:22] <brousch> now we can track him down
[15:22] <snap-l> Muhahahahaha
[15:22] <rick_h> bah, it's internal IM
[15:22] <rick_h> have fun
[15:25] <snap-l> rick_h: I have to admit, I do wish they'd make it a little easier to just drop off some files
[15:25] <snap-l> but then again, it's not NFS, it's likely distributed all over the place.
[15:26] <snap-l> http://yieldthought.com/post/12239282034/swapped-my-macbook-for-an-ipad <- All the computes you need. ;)
[15:28] <snap-l> http://jobs.perl.org/job/15066 <- Ho boy.
[15:28] <rick_h> heh, time to get off apache 1.3 eh?
[15:29] <snap-l> Apparently.
[15:29] <snap-l> looks liek Slashdot is growing up
[15:31] <snap-l>   http://blog.canonical.com/2011/11/02/hpmoonshot/ <- This intrigues me in some fashion
[16:06] <Wolfger> brousch: I prefer clamz for Amazon downloads.... Saves the .amz files for you in case you need to redownload (though I don't think that's an issue anymore with the cloud drive Amazon does now)
[16:11] <Wolfger> also... command line apps ftw :-)
[16:20] <snap-l> pfft. nobody uses the command line anymore. P)
[16:29] <dzho> wtf is up with all those SATA connectors in the Redstone box?
[16:30] <snap-l> each core is a separate machine
[16:31] <snap-l> though this whole solution screams for remote storage
[16:32] <snap-l> something like iSCSI, or even a bank of esata connectors.
[16:34] <dzho> looks to me like it's 3x6=18 cards per box.  Each card looks like it might support two chips.  But each card also looks like it has . . . 17 SATA connectors?  I mean, is this some off-the-shelf part they are just shoving into a backplane?
[17:18] <snap-l> I don't think it's off the shelf
[17:18] <jrwren> if you are doing sata that way, plan for storage, not performance. apparently scaling perf out of those is not easy.
[17:20] <jrwren> that macbook for ipad story is interesting. the guy spent $10 on an SSH client!
[17:20] <snap-l> Yeah, it's a nice client
[17:21] <jrwren> I might spend it hen.
[17:21] <jrwren> *then
[17:21] <jrwren> I tried the zx client, but it crashes when I try keyauth.
[17:21] <jrwren> and I ONLY do keyauth.
[17:22] <jrwren> ssh password auth is disabled for me.
[17:22] <snap-l> Yeah, it handles key auth really well
[17:22] <snap-l> I have passwords turned off as wel
[17:22] <jrwren> you have ios devices?
[17:26] <greg-g> snap-l's a fanboi
[17:27] <snap-l> It was either iOS or a blackberry
[17:27] <snap-l> I'd like to think you'd all make the same choice.
[17:27] <snap-l> save for tjagoda
[17:28] <jrwren> I love iOS
[17:28] <greg-g> I don't know, I'd have to give bb a try before I decided ;)
[17:28] <jrwren> i'm just surprised you went for it.
[17:30] <snap-l> greg-g: I had a BB. It was shit
[17:30] <snap-l> jrwren: I'm not. I like Apple products.
[17:30]  * snap-l is apparently the resident fanboy, despite only having an iPhone 4
[17:30] <greg-g> snap-l: but not ape-shit?
[17:30] <snap-l> and that's work provided.
[17:31] <snap-l> greg-g: Apes have standards.
[17:31] <brousch> and a keyboard
[17:31] <brousch> and speakers
[17:32] <brousch> and all of David Pogue's works on audio tape
[17:32] <snap-l> I have JBL creature II speakers
[17:32] <snap-l> (which I bought at the Apple store, but still)
[17:32] <snap-l> tried the Mighty Mouse, and didn't like it
[17:35] <Wolfger> snap-l: I think I choose BB over iOS.
[17:36] <snap-l> Wolfger: We can never be friends, then
[17:36] <snap-l> please return my records at once.
[17:36] <Wolfger> cool
[17:37] <Wolfger> if all Android phones were destroyed in the patent war, I would probably go iPhone just because of the app store (BB has one, but it sucks), but the BB is a far better phone.
[17:37] <snap-l> I'm sorry, what is this phone you speak of?
[17:38] <snap-l> Is there an app for that?
[17:42] <Wolfger> http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20128034-1/for-car-lovers-a-porsche-designed-blackberry/
[17:48] <snap-l> Yes, for $2K, you can have a Blackberry that doesn't look like shit, with a custom theme that doesn't look like shit
[17:48] <snap-l> Frankly, this should have been the direction for a while now. ;)
[17:48] <ColonelPanic001> this electronics stuff has gone too far
[17:48] <snap-l> Apple did this prior to Steve Jobs return. Anyone remember what it's called?
[17:48] <ColonelPanic001> the handle on my thermos just fell a bit, made a ding
[17:49] <ColonelPanic001> I looked at my phone and wondered what that meant
[17:49] <ColonelPanic001> "I don't remember setting a notification that sounds like that"
[17:49] <_stink_> all noises are from your phone
[17:49] <ColonelPanic001> "Oh, it was real"
[17:49] <snap-l> If you guessed 20th anniversary macintosh, you are correct: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twentieth_Anniversary_Macintosh
[17:52] <jrwren> snap-l: I think I trump you for accidental fanboi. but you can keep the title. i'm apple fanboi by mistake.
[17:52] <snap-l> jrwren: bullshit
[17:52] <jrwren> oh?
[17:52] <snap-l> How many intel macs do you own?
[17:52] <jrwren> 1
[17:52] <greg-g> oh god: "One last unique feature of the TAM greeted owners when they turned the computer on – a special startup chime used only by the TAM, and which arguably also only sounds "right" when played by a TAM."
[17:52] <snap-l> I own 0
[17:52] <snap-l> I WIN!
[17:52] <jrwren> but i only own it to write software for my phone
[17:52] <jrwren> ...
[17:52] <jrwren> and ipad
[17:53] <greg-g> hahaha
[17:53] <snap-l> jrwren: Achievement unlocked: Fanboi
[17:53] <snap-l> (just don't ask about 68K macs. ;) )
[17:53] <snap-l> or power PC macs.
[17:54] <brousch1> empathy fail once again
[17:54] <brousch1> i always end up back on pidgin
[17:54] <ColonelPanic001> brousch1 has no empathy
[17:55] <jrwren> ugh
[18:07] <snap-l> http://www.michiganradio.org/post/michigan-senate-approves-anti-bullying-bill?ft=1&f&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+michiganradio+%28Michigan+Radio%3A+Michigan+News%29 <- Asinine.
[18:09] <_stink_> how good of them.
[18:10] <ColonelPanic001> hay snap-l ur a turd
[18:10]  * ColonelPanic001 is arrested
[19:40] <snap-l> Shoot me now
[19:40] <Blazeix> bang
[19:41] <jjesse> i can't under the new law
[19:41] <snap-l> I'm still living
[19:41] <brousch1> you are an immortal
[19:41] <Blazeix> then it appears i'm working with incomplete requirements
[19:42] <snap-l> Damnit
[19:43] <brousch1> you have to shoot off his head
[21:37] <greg-g> huh, I see my first "People Nearby" person in empathy at this coffee shop, I think i know who it is, given there is one other bearded guy running Ubuntu on a thinkpad :)
[21:38] <greg-g> (clarify, first person I've seen via this feature ever, and it happens to be at this coffee shop)
[21:49] <gamerchick02> i'm coming to CHC tonight.
[21:49] <gamerchick02> leaving in a bit to give some getting lost time.
[21:49] <Blazeix> cool, see you there
[21:51] <gamerchick02> yeah. :)
[21:53] <gamerchick02> shutting down and loading up. i'll be wearing a navy blue old navy long sleeved tshirt and khakis.
[21:53] <gamerchick02> cya in a bit
[21:54] <snap-l> I'll be wearing a stylish Silicon Mechanics shirt, and jeans by Eddie Bauer
[21:54] <snap-l> Boxers and socks by Hanes
[21:54] <snap-l> Attitude by my own damn self.
[22:02] <Dekkard> Any one hear about il lumination probs on some lappies?
[22:05] <Dekkard> Backlight specifically
[22:10] <snap-l> Dekkard: clarification?
[23:10] <gamerchick02> wolfger
[23:11] <gamerchick02> chc, no?
[23:12] <gamerchick02> snap-l... chc?
[23:15]  * gamerchick02 pokes channel
[23:15] <Blazeix> gamerchick02: uhoh, starts at 8.
[23:16] <Blazeix> you have 45 minutes to relax and sip coffee before we get there and start blabbing.
[23:18] <gamerchick02> 8. thought it started at 7. whoops
[23:18] <greg-g> the last one of the month is at 7
[23:18] <gamerchick02> wow. i'm SUPER early then
[23:18] <gamerchick02> ah
[23:18] <gamerchick02> i be stupid.
[23:18] <gamerchick02> sorry everyone
[23:18] <gamerchick02> i'm a dumbass
[23:19] <Blazeix> an extra hour at the coffee shop never hurt
[23:19] <gamerchick02> you're right
[23:19] <gamerchick02> good for people watching
[23:19] <gamerchick02> ;)
[23:19] <gamerchick02> i love doing that
[23:19]  * greg-g loves people watching
[23:19] <gamerchick02> me too!!!
[23:19] <gamerchick02> how's it going greg-g?
[23:20] <gamerchick02> i could have stayed at home/hotel longer
[23:20] <gamerchick02> hah
[23:35] <greg-g> gamerchick02: going well, just finishing up my day here in SF
[23:36] <gamerchick02> wow. nice. you like it out there?
[23:36] <greg-g> It's growing on me.
[23:36] <greg-g> Still aclimating
[23:36] <gamerchick02> you will probably like it in winter
[23:36] <greg-g> meh
[23:36] <gamerchick02> no snow, i think...
[23:36] <greg-g> I'm one of the weirdos that loves snow
[23:36] <gamerchick02> not sure if you're a winter guy or not
[23:36] <greg-g> completely
[23:36] <gamerchick02> i do too!
[23:37] <greg-g> I lived in Minneapolis for 6 years and loved it
[23:37] <gamerchick02> ;) i'm a winter gal
[23:37] <gamerchick02> i've lived in MI all my life
[23:37] <gamerchick02> love it here
[23:37] <greg-g> A2 was nothing compared to MPLS
[23:38] <greg-g> like, right now doesn't feel like halloween season, ya know? no leaves on the ground, I'm wearing sandals and a t-shirt (though, it does get cold at night)
[23:38] <greg-g> (cold being like high 50s)
[23:38] <gamerchick02> sandals? it's like 0 here.
[23:38] <gamerchick02> beautiful night
[23:39] <gamerchick02> a good night to sit outside and smoke and have a beer
[23:39] <gamerchick02> i'm here at the coffee shop now. didn't realize CHC was at 8. whoops
[23:39] <greg-g> :)
[23:39] <gamerchick02> it's ok
[23:39] <gamerchick02> i'm chatting with you and people watching
[23:40] <gamerchick02> there's a business people group at the middle table
[23:40] <gamerchick02> students studying
[23:40] <gamerchick02> i must look young, cuz the lady asked me if i was doing studying.
[23:40] <gamerchick02> haha!
[23:40] <gamerchick02> no. school's done. unless i go for a masters, but probably not
[23:43] <greg-g> :)
[23:46] <gamerchick02> i'm probably the only one in this coffee shop with ubuntu on their laptop
[23:46]  * gamerchick02 is a nerd
[23:47] <greg-g> I'm one of 2 in this coffee shop
[23:57] <gamerchick02> nice
[23:57] <gamerchick02> this one is busy
[23:57] <gamerchick02> and the guys are here. woot
[23:59] <snap-l> Howdy.
[23:59] <greg-g> way to leave her hanging, guys!
[23:59] <greg-g> ;)