[00:02] <antnash> I don't know why this is bothering me so much. I'm doing pretty much everything via cli
[00:04] <babble> oh, now I want to find out where the heck they are. hehe.
[00:05] <babble> well, bugger.
[00:05] <babble> it's in there SOMEwhere.
[00:05] <babble> can you get a context menu on right click?
[00:06] <babble> even though you're over a vnc connection?
[00:12] <babble> antnash: still here?
[00:15] <antnash> sorry
[00:15] <antnash> hanging up washing again
[00:15] <babble> no worries.
[00:15] <babble> I figured it was something :)
[00:16] <babble> can you get a file menu in thunar over vnc?
[00:16] <antnash> Yup
[00:16] <babble> select an item, do File > Send to > Side Pane
[00:16] <babble> can you get a context menu on right click in Thunar?
[00:17] <antnash> aha!
[00:17] <antnash> Nice one!
[00:17] <babble> if you can get the contextual menu, you can remove bookmarked items in the side pane that way
[00:17] <babble> if drags are being wonky over VNC
[00:18] <antnash> I have had a few issues with vnc
[00:18] <babble> everybody does :)
[00:18] <babble> hehe
[00:18] <antnash> Working pretty good now tho
[00:19] <antnash> Although I still have some issues with gksu apps
[00:19] <babble> having issues with the overlay dialog?
[00:19] <antnash> instead of asking for password once when opening, the software center asks for a password every time I try to do something.
[00:20] <babble> that's. hmm.
[00:20] <babble> odd.
[00:20] <babble> hehe
[00:20] <babble> brb. I need to go clean up something
[00:20] <antnash> But as I said, I'm doing most in ssh
[00:21] <DoverOs> zomg, i can't seem to install xubuntu on my whitebox
[00:21] <DoverOs> it has nvidia gpu
[00:25] <DoverOs> i tried disabling nouveau and selinux, but it still hangs up
[00:28] <babble> back
[00:28] <babble> for a few
[00:28] <babble> heh
[00:28] <babble> reinstalling my system after making a mess of things with gnome shell.
[00:31] <babble> and it's done. heh. brb
[00:31] <DoverOs> gnome shell is fuckery
[00:31] <babble> lordy, I do like relinux :)
[00:35] <babble> ...and yeah, I keep trying to like Gnome Shell
[00:35] <babble> but eh.
[00:35] <babble> I have options. hehe.
[00:35] <DoverOs> gnome 3 that is, i like the tiling, but that's it
[00:36] <babble> now that I'm living in Xfce, I'm trying to wean myself from having compiz installed just for the sake of it. heh.
[00:37] <DoverOs> babble: ya uh, any thoughts on why xubuntu livecd doesn't run on my whitebox?
[00:37] <babble> well, hmm.
[00:37] <DoverOs> i tried disabling nouveau and selinux, but didn't help
[00:37] <babble> you've tried the usual boot options at the grub commandline to disable acpi and declare linux?
[00:37] <DoverOs> and i set the acpi=off
[00:38] <babble> hrm.
[00:38] <DoverOs> there are some more acpi boxes though
[00:38] <babble> can you get to a grub commandline?
[00:38] <babble> maybe it'll boot manually
[00:38] <babble> (does it run from current Ubuntu or Kubuntu LiveCD's?)
[00:39] <DoverOs> atm it has kubuntu installed :P
[00:39] <babble> huh.
[00:39] <DoverOs> but dunno how that could mess it up
[00:40] <babble> no, I'm just wondering off the top of my head if there's more QA that happens on the KDE and Ubuntu build teams, since they're larger.
[00:41] <babble> you could go the long way around and install xubuntu-desktop and uninstall the KDE bits you don't want.
[00:41] <babble> (unless you'd rather just keep both, naturally)
[00:41] <DoverOs> xP
[00:41] <babble> heh
[00:41] <babble> anyway, can you get to a grub prompt? maybe you can get it to boot manually
[00:42] <DoverOs> err ya i could try that
[00:42] <babble> I can walk you through if you've never done it (I have a couple of times. heh.)
[00:42] <DoverOs> i could also try the 64bit version, but holy jeebus who knows that kinda bugs that has
[00:42] <babble> (but only a couple)
[00:43] <babble> I'm running Xubuntu 11.10-64 bit
[00:43] <babble> I haven't had trouble
[00:43] <babble> at least, not trouble I can't trace to me doing something dumb :)
[00:43] <DoverOs> oh haha
[00:43] <DoverOs> ok i'll try the x64 first, and then the grub after that
[00:44] <babble> cool beans.
[00:44] <babble> sec.
[00:44] <babble> bookmark here:
[00:44] <babble> http://www.justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?t=152790
[00:44] <babble> he's doing a comparison between Grub1 and Grub2, but you want the boot instructions for Grub2
[00:45] <DoverOs> i did a sda type boot with grub before
[00:46] <babble> I guess it could be an odd drive controller bug
[00:46] <babble> but I don't have any quick fixes off the top of my head.
[00:46] <DoverOs> babble: thank's a ton for the info. i'll get it working. g2g
[00:46] <w30> babble, I run compiz on xfce4; scratches my itch *smile*
[00:47] <babble> w30: hehe. I'm getting used to actually getting work done on my machine instead of watching windows wiggle ;)
[00:48] <w30> babble, make a couple of launcher icon so you can switch back and forth
[00:48] <babble> oh, have done.
[00:48] <babble> at this point, I'm comfy enough with just plain ole xfwm that I've chucked compiz for now.
[00:48] <babble> if I get bored and need whizzy, I'll install it again.
[00:49] <w30> compiz is supposed to run when a Windows 7 user is looking over your shoulder anyway
[00:49] <babble> haha
[00:50] <babble> My brother likes Vista, and my other computer is a Macintosh, so that's not likely to happen.
[00:51] <w30> babble, Windows 7 is just sp4 for Vista or shuda been.
[00:51] <babble> eh, I don't judge
[00:51] <babble> he likes Vista, he can like what he likes.
[00:52] <babble> there had to be at least a few people who actually *liked* Vista. heh.
[00:52] <babble> Heck, there were about five Mac users who liked Puma.
[00:53] <w30> I can't afford Windows, sigh.
[00:53] <S_SubZero> i liked aspects of Vista.  Well, I mean I miss them since they were yanked out of Win7
[00:53] <babble> hm. can I manually install gnome tweak to set my gtk3 themes for gtk3-depenent apps without installing the crapload of its dependencies in the repo?
[00:54] <babble> (I mean, yes, I know, I technically can. What will I break when I do?)
[00:54] <w30> babble, I have a copy of Windows 3.1 but it's getting obsolete
[00:54] <babble> heh. I run XP in a vm for the odd bit of work-ware I can't easily get in Linux
[01:06] <R3db3ard> anyone know how to get Steam running in Xubuntu11.10?
[01:06] <babble> there's a PlayOnLinux config for Steam, but beyond getting Steam to launch, I've never actually gotten a single game to run
[01:14] <R3db3ard> i had it running quite well in ubuntu 11.04 but can't get the installer to run in x11.10
[01:15] <holstein> R3db3ard: you could start with mirroring the wine version
[01:17] <R3db3ard> right now i'm uninstalling v1.3 and trying v1.2.3 and installing winetricks to see if that works
[01:33] <luvchunk> hello
[01:33] <luvchunk> anybody here
[01:34] <holstein> luvchunk: not sure... let knock and see if anyone answers...
[01:37] <luvchunk> im gettin no sound been through all the help pages and cant fix it
[01:37] <holstein> do you want to fix it?
[01:37] <holstein> open a terminal
[01:38] <holstein> run a few commands for me
[01:38] <holstein> first, is it the internal sound card?
[01:38] <luvchunk> yeah no probs
[01:38] <luvchunk> yes it is
[01:38] <holstein> run lspci and see that you see it there
[01:38] <holstein> then, if you see it there, run..
[01:38] <holstein> aplay -l
[01:39] <luvchunk> its sees it with the first command
[01:40] <luvchunk> and no soundcards on the second
[01:40] <luvchunk> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
[01:41] <holstein> luvchunk: if it were me, at this point, i typically try a few live CD's til sound works
[01:41] <holstein> i note the kernel and alsa versions
[01:41] <holstein> you can step forward or back with ALSA and see if that helps
[01:42] <luvchunk> okiedoke thanks
[01:42] <holstein> luvchunk: what is the device line from lspci?
[01:42] <luvchunk> yeah
[01:43] <holstein> this is mine 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
[01:43] <holstein> what is yours?
[01:44] <holstein> luvchunk: also, check and make sure you are up to date with pacakge upgrades.. sometimes a rev can be in there that fixes things
[01:44] <luvchunk> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
[01:44] <luvchunk> 	Subsystem: Uniwill Computer Corp Device 907f
[01:44] <luvchunk> 	Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 10
[01:44] <luvchunk> 	Memory at fe9f8000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
[01:44] <luvchunk> 	Capabilities: <access denied>
[01:44] <luvchunk> il check for upgrades now
[01:45] <holstein> luvchunk: that is your device too?
[01:45] <holstein> the n10/ICH 7 ?
[01:45] <luvchunk> yeah
[01:45] <holstein> interesting
[01:45] <holstein> its working just fine here
[01:45] <holstein> xubuntu 11.10
[01:45] <holstein> so, i think its going to be something in your config
[01:46] <luvchunk> i switched from ubuntu this morning it worked on that but nothing on xubuntu
[01:46] <holstein> luvchunk: all i can say is, i have xubuntu 11.10, and that hardware and its working
[01:46] <holstein> what have you done so far?
[01:47] <luvchunk> im not really very good with all this im pretty new to it all
[01:49] <holstein> luvchunk: no worries
[01:49] <holstein> this'll help
[01:49] <holstein> ubuntu = xubuntu
[01:50] <holstein> you have the same packages on the backend there to support the hardware
[01:50] <holstein> i would put the live CD in you installed from, and see if you have sound
[01:50] <holstein> take the live CD you used before when you say it worked, and see if it still works
[01:50] <holstein> check the bios
[01:50] <holstein> check the hardware
[01:51] <holstein> when i mute, i cant unmute from the keyboard button, i *must* unmute elsewhere
[01:51] <luvchunk> il have a go thanks again nice of you to help
[01:51] <holstein> luvchunk: anytime
[02:06] <R3db3ard> i wish xubuntu would have kept the same keyboard shortcuts as ubuntu
[02:06] <R3db3ard> i'm lost
[03:30] <genii-around> !support
[03:30]  * genii-around hands Unit193 a coffee
[03:31] <Unit193> genii-around: Thanks :D
[03:31] <genii-around> Heh
[03:31] <Unit193> genii-around: This is a nice factoid, but saying something about askubuntu and the forums is handy
[03:34] <genii-around> Unit193: I made a note to make a note of it on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/FactoidCleanup tomorrow
[03:35] <Unit193> genii-around: Great!
[09:31] <problemo> hey , i rstarted xubuntu and theres no windoes manager settings its gone, plus the handle bar for all the windows is also gone too, so i cant move windows or resize them,also my space of fout available workspaces reduced down to only one, the only things i installed was awesome that could have messed up my windows managers, any help?
[09:35] <well_laid_lawn> problemo: awesome is a window manager that doesn't have window decorations
[09:35] <TheSheep> problemo: alt+f2 an type xfwm4
[09:36] <problemo> ouo magic
[09:37] <problemo> was it removed from init script?
[09:37] <TheSheep> it failed to start somehow
[09:37] <problemo> hmmm
[09:37] <problemo> well it failed to start 3-4 times
[09:38] <TheSheep> check ~/.xsessionerrors
[09:42] <problemo> assertion `WNCK_IS_WORKSPACE failed, hmm says another instance is already running, i should check
[09:43] <problemo> xfce4-panel: No window manager registered on screen 0
[09:43] <problemo> and it goes on with same type of mesgs
[09:44] <problemo> but theres only one instance of wfwm running, the one i started earlier from terminal
[16:03] <juiceman5000> What's the mimimum space you'd say to partition for an install of XUbuntu?
[16:06] <Sysi> three minutes
[16:22] <tjingboem_> where can i change the name of the computer ?
[16:36] <babble> tjingboem_: do you need to change your hostname (the way your computer identifies itself on your network?)
[16:39] <tjingboem_> when i use the terminal i see: menno@menno-Sheeks-Northwood-Brookdale-Customer-Reference-Board:~$
[16:40] <tjingboem_> waaaaaaayyyy too long
[16:40] <tjingboem_> can i rename this?
[16:40] <babble> tjingboem_: with root priveliges (i.e. sudo <your text editor>) edit /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts
[16:40] <babble> that will change the hostname that loads at startup
[16:40] <Sysi> *gksudo
[16:41] <babble> if you want the change to become active now, also do:
[16:41] <babble> sudo hostname <new hostname>
[16:41] <babble> if you're in Xubuntu, you should have Leafpad or Mousepad installed
[17:12] <NIX-Knight> hello, I have 48 computers in my office that are used to conduct tests for candidates using a web browser, I have Windows XP installed with firefox on them but they are heavily infested with viruses, All systems are Pentium 3 with 128MB RAM
[17:13] <NIX-Knight> would xubuntu be a good alternative in this situation
[17:13] <NIX-Knight> ?
[17:13] <Sysi> not really
[17:13] <NIX-Knight> OK, then what would you recommend?
[17:13] <Sysi> any modern webbrowser eats that 128Mb by itself
[17:13] <NIX-Knight> hmm
[17:14] <Sysi> lubuntu+chromium could work, with one tab
[17:14] <NIX-Knight> ok
[17:14] <NIX-Knight> thanx
[17:31] <NIX-Knight> Sysi, the developers of that test recommend firefox, what if I install xubuntu 10.04 which has firefox 3.6?
[17:31] <Sysi> you should have at least 256MB, but you can try
[17:32] <NIX-Knight> OK thank you
[17:52] <xubuntu829> hi folks
[17:52] <xubuntu829> wow... nice setup-feature :D
[17:54] <S_SubZero> hi
[20:39] <dboyd> I'm having some trouble running the Ubuntu Software Center. It will not install or ask for a password or anything else. It just ignores me. any clues anyone?
[20:43] <TheSheep> how are you installing it?
[20:48] <ubuntu> hello, I'm trying xubuntu 11.04 from an usb-livecd and firefox does not start, also package manager says I'm not connected to the internet, any ideas?
[20:49] <joao> Hi. I just got a new Lenovo Ideapad laptop with an Intel i.7 and 8Gb of RAM memory. I would like to install Xubuntu 11.10 on it, but I am confused about which variety to install: "PC (Intel x86) desktop CD" or "64-bit PC (AMD64) desktop CD". I would like to take advantage of the 8Gb of Ram memory, and I was told that I would need a 64-bit installation for that. Does that mean I should choose "64-bit PC (AMD64) desktop CD", even thou
[20:49] <joao> gh my processor is Intel?
[20:50] <TheSheep> ubuntu: what does firefox say when you try to start it from terminal?
[20:50] <TheSheep> joao: yes, intel's 64 bit processors are also amd-compatible
[20:51] <ubuntu> okay that's embarrasing TheSheep, it starts from terminal and seems to work fine now, thanks -.-u
[20:51] <TheSheep> joao: it just so happens that it's amd that created this standard architecture
[20:52] <joao> oh I see. I'll go ahead with the AMD64 version then. Thanks for clearing this up
[22:05] <holstein> can i use notify-osd with xubuntu/XFCE ?
[22:08] <babble> holstein: is Xfce's own notifications daemon not a good solution?
[22:09] <holstein> babble: i like the click through with composite
[22:09] <babble> ah.
[22:09] <holstein> not a deal breaker, but its something id like to address if its do-able
[22:10] <babble> well, I just checked, and lo and behold, I've got notifyosd installed as well
[22:10] <babble> sec. lemme see if it's all running
[22:10] <babble> (I've installed and deinstalled various gnome bits, so there's that)
[22:18] <holstein> cool, it works... notify-osd just took over
[22:18] <holstein> and its like normal-buntu with compiz...
[22:23] <w30> Intel rents the 64 bit architecture from AMD *ha*
[22:24] <babble> hurgh.
[22:24] <babble> finally?