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i1I wonder if it is hard ware failures, graphic driver issues,00:00
i1I have no idea really00:00
wxlit is00:00
i1it boots fin in xp recovery cd00:00
wxladd nomodeset to grub00:01
i1hm, how?00:02
i1I get a second or so of the lubuntu boot up logo, but then turn white00:02
wxlbah and what sucks is that i'm normally on ppc which has a totally different bootloader and my virtual machine is funky in startup and doesn't show jack00:03
i1I googled white screen on the Ubuntu forum, and I am not the only one who has ever got it00:03
wxli'm thinking that you hit shift right after bios00:03
i1but can't find any explanations or solutions,00:03
i1oh I see00:03
wxlohhhh00:04
wxlyou might try to <Ctrl><Alt><F1> and see if you can get to the virtual console00:05
wxlhere's some goood stuff for you00:05
wxlhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=174353500:05
wxlscroll down to the "troubleshooting flow chart" and have at it00:06
i1console is a bit scary00:06
wxldo not fear00:06
i1thanks00:07
i1great00:07
wxlyou can't break the live cd for example ;)00:08
i1the odd this is that puppy linux manages to boot fine,00:08
i1but has major issues with fan control and heating00:08
wxli don't know if it's clear but the live cd loads your operating sysetm into ram.. so you can edit files and such but the second you shutdown/reboot those changes disappear00:08
* wxl is not a huge fan of puppy00:09
i1yeah, it is a bit flimsy00:09
wxllubuntu is very solid00:09
wxli must admit lubuntu is not 100% on my ppc machine but ppc's aren't officially supported, so i figure it's doing a pretty darn good job00:09
wxl(and i'm working on trying to figure out how to tweak it in the meanwhile0 :D00:10
i1yes, it is very hard ware dependent00:10
i1on some laptops lubuntu slides on and works straight away00:11
wxlmany/most i'd say00:11
wxli need some sdram for this thinkpad i have so i can see how it goes on there00:11
i1except a fujitsu I have. Some have linux fine on fujitsus00:12
i111.10 goes very nice on a HP00:12
i1even ubuntu does00:12
i1I never tired 11.04, but the previous one never manage to boot the live cd00:13
wxlyeah i had some problems when it first came out00:13
i1my point is; I have bumped in to strange problems00:13
wxlthey're always there to some degree or another00:13
i1it was the same with all the butus, on the HP laptop00:14
i1it is about 4 years now I think, so hard ware getting older00:15
wxli'm excited to have it go so easily on my powerbook :D00:15
i1a mac?00:15
wxli have a g3 powerbook that is proving to be a bit more of a problem but i think that's more of the computer's fault00:15
wxlyep00:15
wxla ppc too.. no intel00:15
i1some apple computers have some linux issues,00:16
wxlthe old world macs like the g3s are quite difficult00:16
wxlmine needs a firmware upgrade00:16
wxlwhich is NOT a linux problem00:16
i1the white and black smaller ibooks or what ever they are called takes buntus fine it seems00:16
wxlbut the g4 was easy00:16
i1I see00:17
wxlprocessor runs a little hot in lubuntu. not in mintppc. trying to dissect that..00:17
i1I am looking for a used mac to play around wiht00:17
wxlif it's an intel you should be ok00:17
i1I'm not willing to pay much, you sort of loose all point in upgrading and fixing up00:17
wxlppc's will make you work for it :D00:18
i1might as well get a new one then00:18
wxlif you want os x tho, meh00:18
wxlit's just a really messed up bsd with a fancy desktop environment00:18
i1I'm not that familiar with os x. can you get it back if you install lubuntu?00:18
wxlfrom what i understand, you ideally need to install os x, then split your partition, make sure the 2nd one ISN'T hfs journaled (hfs+) and then you can install lubuntu on it00:20
wxli've heard that putting os x on there afterwards might not be so easy00:20
wxli haven't tried00:21
wxli was thinking i might have to add os x back for a certain app i liked but i think i finally found a good linux solution00:21
wxlpossibly a better one00:21
wxltho naturally it's got a steeper learning curve ;)00:21
wxlbut that's part of the fun with linux, i think00:21
i1I have worked on apple computers, but never installed or done too much tweaking of the soft ware00:21
i1I burned free bsd00:21
i1just to see how it works00:21
i1it does seem to be recommended for servers mostly00:21
i1yes, I suppose it does00:22
wxlbsd is ok00:22
wxli kind of grew up on bsd, dos and.. ummm cp/m00:22
i1I don't do too much really, I mean, if some mentions compiling I am blanc00:23
i1I mostly used windows, ever, until the last few years00:23
wxlfirst time i seriously installed linux it was slackware on an old thinkpad laptop00:23
wxlthat was pretty hardcore.. wasn't a lot of support for linux on laptops at the time00:23
wxlit was basically roll your own kernel00:24
wxlso compiling is no big dela00:24
i1it's fun when you can make old laptops run like new again almost00:26
wxli think it's fantastic00:26
i1with 512 RAM lubuntu is fast. Windows 7 hardly at all00:26
wxlwindows 7 is ridiculous00:27
i1I had to order a new cpu for my laptop00:27
i1I got a faster and better one, even lower consumption and heat00:27
i1yes, at least for older hardware00:28
i1I had windows 7 on 1GB and 1.5 celeron cpu, and it was all fine00:28
i1so it's not that bad00:28
i1the atom cpus are quite good,00:29
i1trouble with laptops they don't easily adapt to different cpus00:29
wxlthey don't adapt to much00:30
i1it's a shame, they should provide gpu and cpu with sockets commonly available00:31
wxlyeah00:31
wxlwell that and hardware should be equally open source00:31
i1yes, that is why apple computers are as good as they are00:32
wxli'm proud to be using a recycled old laptop with free (as in speech) software on it for this experimental music project i do, but am bummed the hardware isn't equally as free00:32
wxlof course there's no laptop that is00:32
i1the get access to all info needed to make good drivers00:32
wxlapple is proprietary as hell unfortunately00:33
i1which is silly in many cases00:33
i1when it is intel through and through, except plastic casing, why make it that difficult?00:34
i1I have seen XP installed on some ibooks00:34
i1ran all fine00:35
wxlhm that's curious00:35
i1I suspect it must have been built on intel hard ware and commonly available parts00:36
i1my fathers new mac came with the possibility to have windows as dual boot00:36
wxlyeah with intel no prob00:37
i1it's the top model in the imac range00:38
i1bought this summer00:38
i1it's really nice00:38
wxlwe have an imac at home00:39
wxlmy wife insisted on the damn thing :D00:40
wxlit's really a good machine tho00:40
i1hi hi00:40
wxli've got windows 7 and lubuntu virtual machines on it00:40
wxlthe former for those rare cases that i need it and the latter.... so i feel at home ;)00:40
i1the screen is really nice and it is very tidy with no wires at all00:40
wxlyeah it's a good design00:40
wxli LOVE the mouse00:41
i1looks very cool00:41
i1keyboard too, the minimal white one00:41
i1white aluminum00:41
i1I'm not yet used to the mouse00:42
wxlthe keyboard is a bit limited00:42
i1I keep doing all kinds of stuff involuntarily00:42
i1and all the mac key combos are not the same00:42
i1I keep closing the browser window00:43
i1it suddenly shwooops up in the left corner00:43
i1I blame the mouse00:44
i1the ibooks are not like that lol00:44
wxl⌘W is close00:45
wxloh you're talking abotu the mouse00:45
wxlduh duh duh00:45
i1both really00:46
i1; )00:46
i1key combos and mouse00:46
i1I discoved the ctrl alt  function is the key next to tab00:46
i1no space I mean00:46
i1the thumb-key00:46
wxlyep00:47
i1have a good night00:58
wxlu201:01
aedmarkHi all. anyone available to help me with a wireless driver issue?01:02
wxlwhat up?01:05
wxlaedmark: ?01:07
aedmarkI was wondering where I could get my hands on some drivers for a broadcom integrated wireless card01:08
wxlwhich card?01:09
aedmarklubuntu doesn't seem to have installed them, I'm assuming because they are proprietary.01:09
aedmarkhmmm01:09
aedmarkthat's a good question01:09
wxllspci -vnn | grep 14e401:10
wxlIgnore everything, except the last part inside of the [ ]01:10
aedmarkAirForce One 54g01:11
wxl^^^^^^^^01:11
aedmarkThat is what is in the brackets, good sir01:11
wxlheh i'm not clear01:12
wxlwhat's * in [14e4:*] ?01:12
wxl4318 i'm guessing?01:12
aedmarkahhh :431801:12
aedmarkyessir01:12
aedmark(I'm assuming you are a sir, apologies if you are not)01:12
KM02014318... iv'e had problems w/ that device.. i always just install the driver manually, and it ALWAYS works.01:13
wxlsudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter firmware-b43-installer01:13
aedmarkthe problem here is that I can't apt-get on the computer in question01:15
aedmarkseeing as it can't connect to the internet ;)01:15
wxloh gawd01:15
aedmarkRight?01:15
wxlgo find an ethernet cable :D01:15
aedmarkhaha01:15
wxlseriously01:15
aedmarksigh, let me see if I can bridge connection01:15
wxli mean go buy one if you have to :D01:15
aedmarkhaha I found one the other day, actually01:16
aedmarkhmmm, okay I've got the cable and internet ready. I think I need the right repository for apt-get01:19
wxlwhere you is? and which lubuntu?01:20
aedmark11.1001:21
aedmarkWhere I am as in geographically? I am in Iowa01:21
wxlk01:21
wxldeb http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu oneric multiverse01:22
wxloneiric that is01:22
wxlarchive works instead of ports too01:23
aedmarkhmmm, how do you change the sources.list01:26
aedmarkI haven't done this shit for years01:27
wxlsudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list01:27
wxl(or use your editor of choice)01:27
wxlactually wait01:27
wxlyou can just:01:27
aedmarkYea but it's saying I don't have permission, even if I superuser it01:27
wxlecho "deb http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu oneiric multiverse" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list01:27
wxloh wtf01:27
wxlthat makes no sense01:28
aedmarkindeed01:28
wxlthere is no "root" per se set up in the lubuntu installer from 3what i remember01:28
aedmarkyea I'm gonna add it through synaptic01:28
wxlthat works too01:29
wxlor should01:29
wxlmight01:29
aedmarkkaching01:29
aedmarkCreative problem solving. How am I still unemployed01:29
wxlof course not having su is bad01:30
wxlyou should have permission01:30
wxlyous hould checek /etc/sudoers01:30
aedmarkIt may have been because I had synaptic open? I shall definitely look into that01:30
wxlyeah quite possibly01:30
wxlno don't think so01:31
wxli had no problem with it01:31
wxl/etc/sudoers probably has %admin and %sudo set up with su access01:33
aedmarkwe have wireless01:33
wxlif you run groups in terminal you can see which groups your'e in01:33
wxlyey01:33
wxlhttp://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-linux-add-user-to-group/ might help if you're not in the right group01:34
wxlif the problem is in sudoers that's a different story01:35
aedmarkyea I don't even have a /etc/sudoers01:35
wxluh01:35
aedmarkjust sudoers.d01:35
wxlhttp://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo01:37
wxlyou'll want to fix that crap01:37
aedmarkI imagine so01:38
aedmarkI wonder how it happened.01:41
wxlthat's a good question01:41
wxli wonder that too01:41
wxlhow did you install?01:41
aedmarkWhen I booted the CD I just told it to install. Hmmm.01:44
wxlso you used the live cd?01:44
wxlwhich version?01:44
aedmarkNow even in recovery mode it says the file system is read-only01:44
aedmarkthe latest one01:45
aedmark11.1001:45
wxlbah that crap.. did you ever figure that out KM0201 ?01:45
KM0201what "crap" is that?01:45
wxlreadonly recovery01:46
aedmarkNot very conducive to recovery01:46
KM0201hmm, i don't remmber that one01:46
wxloh thought that was u01:46
wxlwhen u messed up your vm with lightdm :)01:47
KM0201it could have been, i'm just not 100% sure01:47
wxlsee if mount -o rw,remount / works aedmark01:48
aedmarknope01:49
aedmarkerrors=remount-ro01:49
wxlsudo it maybe?01:49
aedmarknada01:50
wxlbah01:50
aedmarkmaybe I should just go with xubuntu ;)01:50
wxloh shush01:50
wxlsudo mount <device-file> / -o rw,remount01:50
wxlassumedly you're probably /dev/sda1 or so01:51
wxlyou can run mount to see where it's mounted currently01:51
aedmarkcould it be something to do with being formatted in ext4?01:51
wxlshouln't be01:52
wxlirony: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/friendly-recovery/+bug/57546901:53
ubot5Ubuntu bug 575469 in friendly-recovery (Ubuntu Oneiric) "[UIFe] [FFe] recovery mode mounts filesystems read-write rather than read-only" [Medium,Fix released]01:53
aedmarkdummies didn't fix it!01:54
aedmarkThough your last suggestion allowed me to edit the file01:54
wxlthey DID fix it01:55
wxlthat whole discussion was about going from rw->ro01:55
wxlwhich now that i think about it makes sense01:56
wxlyou can fsck01:56
wxlon the other hand.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/friendly-recovery/+bug/86875501:56
ubot5Ubuntu bug 868755 in friendly-recovery (Ubuntu) "Always starts ro (read-only)" [Undecided,Confirmed]01:56
aedmark_hmph01:58
aedmark_So I think everything is gravy, now01:58
wxlcool01:59
wxlsudoers fixed?01:59
aedmark_it's there, yea01:59
wxlcool so boot it up and make sure you're cool02:00
wxlgo sudo something :D02:00
wxl$ sudo lukeiamyourfather02:00
aedmark_Oh I did02:01
aedmark_I sudoed the sudoers file02:01
wxlyey02:01
aedmark_Is it normal for there to be no icons on the desktop for a new install. I assumed there would be at least shortcuts to folders and whatnot02:02
wxlyes!02:03
aedmark_Okay good02:03
wxlhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9468742&postcount=302:04
aedmark_hahaha02:04
wxlthese will be useful to you:02:05
wxlhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides02:05
wxlhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Workarounds02:05
wxlhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=184475502:05
aedmark_Thanks! I should be good now. Just wanted to set up a basic system for me to write and do research on02:06
wxlyou'll be good then02:07
wxlabiword is actually pretty darn nice02:07
aedmark_I just need to find some good software to let me sort out notes and such. Yea I've used that before.02:07
wxlas a libreoffice fan i was really surprised by how much i liked it02:07
wxlsylpheed can kiss my ass tho.02:07
aedmark_I use openoffice on my PC, but abiword is definitely nice02:07
wxlbut that's another story... ;)02:07
aedmark_oh right, I can use celtx02:08
aedmark_yay for portability02:08
wxlah cool02:08
aedmark_evolution is always a good e-mail client for linux02:08
aedmark_I swear by thunderbird on the PC02:08
wxli rather like tbird02:08
wxli want claws to work but it doesn't have a unified inbox02:08
wxlthat's #1 for me02:09
wxli have a million email accounts02:09
aedmark_understandable02:09
wxland folders up the wazoo02:09
witedsexehi i was wondering is there away to remove things like chrome fromy computer without removing the entire lubuntu destro02:25
witedsexethere are just some applications i dont need in it i am using 11.1002:25
Unit193Yeah, it may remove the lubuntu-desktop !metapackage, but that's not a problem at all02:32
Unit193Only thing is you may need to reinstall that if you want to do a upgrade02:32
Unit193!metapackage | witedsexe02:32
ubot5witedsexe: A meta-package is a package that simply depends upon other packages and brings them in. It's not a real package, but a very useful package that can drag in other package versions.02:32
witedsexeand? what dose that mean will it couse problems to remove or not02:34
Unit193Not unless you do an upgrade from 11.10 to 12.04 (when it comes out)02:36
Unit193And at that point, it's just highly recommended02:36
witedsexei usualy end up doing a fesh install when i upgrade any ways02:41
witedsexeas it tends to cause me issues using the updater so i guess it wont then thanks for the info02:41
Unit193Great, have a nice evening02:42
malvarmaHey I'm sort of new to lubuntu. I just updated after my first install and suddenly the system tray disappears03:06
malvarmaLike the whole notification area for volume, network manager, etc. I only get the power icon and the clock.03:06
malvarmaAnyone ever experience this?03:06
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zorsHi.  Stupid question here.  Currently have Ubuntu 11.10 installed and running Unity 2D - all runs fine, just a little slow at times.  Seriously considering moving to Lubuntu 11.10 - heard some good things about it.  Would I see any benefit in doing so? In other words:  Which is lighter:  Unity 2D or Lubuntu?  Any advice would be appreciated.  Thanks.06:31
M0hilxde is lightweight. What is your RAM size and the processor?06:33
M0hizors: ^06:33
zors1.8 GHz Single core CPU.  2GB ram.  Intel 965 Graphics (integrated)06:34
M0hizors: Try lubuntu as a fresh install so that you can find the difference of lxde as lightweight =]06:42
M0hiA live CD/USB will be what I prefer to be tried first06:42
zorsWill do thanks.  Already have the ISO.  Will burn and run from live CD.  Really just looking for a "normal" DE.  Unity is driving me nuts - I think it's crap.  Thanks for the advice, much appreciated.06:44
bioterrorpeople keeps nagging about unity but they never talk about upstart for example06:45
M0hinp06:45
M0hilol06:45
bioterrorm0hi is first on the line to buy a ubuntu mobile phone device ;)06:46
bioterrorthat's coming after 12.0406:46
bioterrorofcourse they will run Unity!06:46
M0hibioterror: I think I am going to get a Nokia, erase the OS and use Ubuntu in it xD06:47
M0hior some Samsung06:47
zorsNo offence meant by my statement.  Unity may be great for some, but I find it counter-productive.  Shame they killed gnome2.  People are flocking to lxde & xfce in droves - and for good reason I think.06:47
bioterrorXFCE4 should give all what Gnome2 users are looking for06:48
zorsTrue.  Actually ran an lxde setup on an old desktop some years back - solid and reliable.06:50
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psilo23Lubuntu saved my life10:44
malcmailAnyone around to help with a problem sharing my scanner on a network?11:45
malcmailAnyone around to help with a problem sharing my scanner on a network?12:50
lubuntu214Great work guys on Lubuntu. Best Lightweight Distro around!13:18
lubuntu214Excellent work goes to the LXDE team, pcmanfm...etc...13:18
lubuntu214:)13:18
malcmailseems very quiet in here :-s17:07
croquelubuntu works so well...nobody has any problems17:13
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KM0201croque: that's probably a bit of a stretch, but... it does work well.. :)17:28
croque:)17:29
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fitushello everyone19:38
fituscan someone please tell me where can I get the lubuntu repositories for lubuntu 11.1019:39
fitusI upgraded and now everytime I update it says that some repos, has been ignored19:40
croquefitus: as far as I know the lubuntu repositories are the same as the ubuntu repositories in 11.1019:45
Unit193Ah, I had that, changed the repos to try and fix19:45
fitusso is safe to use then the ubuntu repos, with lubuntu ?19:45
Unit193As long as you take a look, should be the same19:46
fitusi had lubuntu 11.04 but i upgrded to lubuntu 11.10 and nos some repo's been ignored19:46
croquewhich repos are being ignored?19:47
fitusgoogle, wine, and pms-linux19:47
fitusso I found an ubuntu repo generator, is it safe to generate and use that instead ?19:48
croqueare you having problems with your system? Did the upgrade work?19:49
Unit193Ehh, I personally wouldn't want to use that19:49
boudybonsoir j'essaye d'installer lubuntu sur ma machine mais sans succes qqn peut m'aider ?19:50
Unit193!fr | boudy19:51
ubot5boudy: Ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en français, veuillez taper /join #ubuntu-fr ou /join #ubuntu-qc. Merci.19:51
croquefitus: here's my sources.list from a clean install of lubuntu 11.10 http://paste.ubuntu.com/727544/19:52
boudysorry let's speak english19:52
croquefitus: I added getdeb....and it's for the Canadian servers19:52
boudyis there somebody who can help me, lubuntu doesn't work on my laptop19:53
croqueboudy: what do you mean "doesn't work"?19:55
fitusok I will do that , thanks19:56
boudycroque: bios start well but then  i have a black screen19:56
boudyi tried to do ctrl19:56
boudyalt f1 but the screen is still black19:57
croqueboudy: I'm afraid I can't help you much. Lubuntu booted fine on several laptops I own.20:02
croqueperhaps someone else here can troubleshoot it with you.20:02
Unit193!boot20:02
ubot5Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto20:02
Unit193Or doesn't even make it to the "Try Lubuntu" screen?20:03

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