[00:00] <i1> I wonder if it is hard ware failures, graphic driver issues,
[00:00] <i1> I have no idea really
[00:00] <wxl> it is
[00:00] <i1> it boots fin in xp recovery cd
[00:01] <wxl> add nomodeset to grub
[00:02] <i1> hm, how?
[00:02] <i1> I get a second or so of the lubuntu boot up logo, but then turn white
[00:03] <wxl> bah and what sucks is that i'm normally on ppc which has a totally different bootloader and my virtual machine is funky in startup and doesn't show jack
[00:03] <i1> I googled white screen on the Ubuntu forum, and I am not the only one who has ever got it
[00:03] <wxl> i'm thinking that you hit shift right after bios
[00:03] <i1> but can't find any explanations or solutions,
[00:03] <i1> oh I see
[00:04] <wxl> ohhhh
[00:05] <wxl> you might try to <Ctrl><Alt><F1> and see if you can get to the virtual console
[00:05] <wxl> here's some goood stuff for you
[00:05] <wxl> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1743535
[00:06] <wxl> scroll down to the "troubleshooting flow chart" and have at it
[00:06] <i1> console is a bit scary
[00:06] <wxl> do not fear
[00:07] <i1> thanks
[00:07] <i1> great
[00:08] <wxl> you can't break the live cd for example ;)
[00:08] <i1> the odd this is that puppy linux manages to boot fine,
[00:08] <i1> but has major issues with fan control and heating
[00:08] <wxl> i don't know if it's clear but the live cd loads your operating sysetm into ram.. so you can edit files and such but the second you shutdown/reboot those changes disappear
[00:09]  * wxl is not a huge fan of puppy
[00:09] <i1> yeah, it is a bit flimsy
[00:09] <wxl> lubuntu is very solid
[00:09] <wxl> i must admit lubuntu is not 100% on my ppc machine but ppc's aren't officially supported, so i figure it's doing a pretty darn good job
[00:10] <wxl> (and i'm working on trying to figure out how to tweak it in the meanwhile0 :D
[00:10] <i1> yes, it is very hard ware dependent
[00:11] <i1> on some laptops lubuntu slides on and works straight away
[00:11] <wxl> many/most i'd say
[00:11] <wxl> i need some sdram for this thinkpad i have so i can see how it goes on there
[00:12] <i1> except a fujitsu I have. Some have linux fine on fujitsus
[00:12] <i1> 11.10 goes very nice on a HP
[00:12] <i1> even ubuntu does
[00:13] <i1> I never tired 11.04, but the previous one never manage to boot the live cd
[00:13] <wxl> yeah i had some problems when it first came out
[00:13] <i1> my point is; I have bumped in to strange problems
[00:13] <wxl> they're always there to some degree or another
[00:14] <i1> it was the same with all the butus, on the HP laptop
[00:15] <i1> it is about 4 years now I think, so hard ware getting older
[00:15] <wxl> i'm excited to have it go so easily on my powerbook :D
[00:15] <i1> a mac?
[00:15] <wxl> i have a g3 powerbook that is proving to be a bit more of a problem but i think that's more of the computer's fault
[00:15] <wxl> yep
[00:15] <wxl> a ppc too.. no intel
[00:16] <i1> some apple computers have some linux issues,
[00:16] <wxl> the old world macs like the g3s are quite difficult
[00:16] <wxl> mine needs a firmware upgrade
[00:16] <wxl> which is NOT a linux problem
[00:16] <i1> the white and black smaller ibooks or what ever they are called takes buntus fine it seems
[00:16] <wxl> but the g4 was easy
[00:17] <i1> I see
[00:17] <wxl> processor runs a little hot in lubuntu. not in mintppc. trying to dissect that..
[00:17] <i1> I am looking for a used mac to play around wiht
[00:17] <wxl> if it's an intel you should be ok
[00:17] <i1> I'm not willing to pay much, you sort of loose all point in upgrading and fixing up
[00:18] <wxl> ppc's will make you work for it :D
[00:18] <i1> might as well get a new one then
[00:18] <wxl> if you want os x tho, meh
[00:18] <wxl> it's just a really messed up bsd with a fancy desktop environment
[00:18] <i1> I'm not that familiar with os x. can you get it back if you install lubuntu?
[00:20] <wxl> from what i understand, you ideally need to install os x, then split your partition, make sure the 2nd one ISN'T hfs journaled (hfs+) and then you can install lubuntu on it
[00:20] <wxl> i've heard that putting os x on there afterwards might not be so easy
[00:21] <wxl> i haven't tried
[00:21] <wxl> i was thinking i might have to add os x back for a certain app i liked but i think i finally found a good linux solution
[00:21] <wxl> possibly a better one
[00:21] <wxl> tho naturally it's got a steeper learning curve ;)
[00:21] <wxl> but that's part of the fun with linux, i think
[00:21] <i1> I have worked on apple computers, but never installed or done too much tweaking of the soft ware
[00:21] <i1> I burned free bsd
[00:21] <i1> just to see how it works
[00:21] <i1> it does seem to be recommended for servers mostly
[00:22] <i1> yes, I suppose it does
[00:22] <wxl> bsd is ok
[00:22] <wxl> i kind of grew up on bsd, dos and.. ummm cp/m
[00:23] <i1> I don't do too much really, I mean, if some mentions compiling I am blanc
[00:23] <i1> I mostly used windows, ever, until the last few years
[00:23] <wxl> first time i seriously installed linux it was slackware on an old thinkpad laptop
[00:23] <wxl> that was pretty hardcore.. wasn't a lot of support for linux on laptops at the time
[00:24] <wxl> it was basically roll your own kernel
[00:24] <wxl> so compiling is no big dela
[00:26] <i1> it's fun when you can make old laptops run like new again almost
[00:26] <wxl> i think it's fantastic
[00:26] <i1> with 512 RAM lubuntu is fast. Windows 7 hardly at all
[00:27] <wxl> windows 7 is ridiculous
[00:27] <i1> I had to order a new cpu for my laptop
[00:27] <i1> I got a faster and better one, even lower consumption and heat
[00:28] <i1> yes, at least for older hardware
[00:28] <i1> I had windows 7 on 1GB and 1.5 celeron cpu, and it was all fine
[00:28] <i1> so it's not that bad
[00:29] <i1> the atom cpus are quite good,
[00:29] <i1> trouble with laptops they don't easily adapt to different cpus
[00:30] <wxl> they don't adapt to much
[00:31] <i1> it's a shame, they should provide gpu and cpu with sockets commonly available
[00:31] <wxl> yeah
[00:31] <wxl> well that and hardware should be equally open source
[00:32] <i1> yes, that is why apple computers are as good as they are
[00:32] <wxl> i'm proud to be using a recycled old laptop with free (as in speech) software on it for this experimental music project i do, but am bummed the hardware isn't equally as free
[00:32] <wxl> of course there's no laptop that is
[00:32] <i1> the get access to all info needed to make good drivers
[00:33] <wxl> apple is proprietary as hell unfortunately
[00:33] <i1> which is silly in many cases
[00:34] <i1> when it is intel through and through, except plastic casing, why make it that difficult?
[00:34] <i1> I have seen XP installed on some ibooks
[00:35] <i1> ran all fine
[00:35] <wxl> hm that's curious
[00:36] <i1> I suspect it must have been built on intel hard ware and commonly available parts
[00:36] <i1> my fathers new mac came with the possibility to have windows as dual boot
[00:37] <wxl> yeah with intel no prob
[00:38] <i1> it's the top model in the imac range
[00:38] <i1> bought this summer
[00:38] <i1> it's really nice
[00:39] <wxl> we have an imac at home
[00:40] <wxl> my wife insisted on the damn thing :D
[00:40] <wxl> it's really a good machine tho
[00:40] <i1> hi hi
[00:40] <wxl> i've got windows 7 and lubuntu virtual machines on it
[00:40] <wxl> the former for those rare cases that i need it and the latter.... so i feel at home ;)
[00:40] <i1> the screen is really nice and it is very tidy with no wires at all
[00:40] <wxl> yeah it's a good design
[00:41] <wxl> i LOVE the mouse
[00:41] <i1> looks very cool
[00:41] <i1> keyboard too, the minimal white one
[00:41] <i1> white aluminum
[00:42] <i1> I'm not yet used to the mouse
[00:42] <wxl> the keyboard is a bit limited
[00:42] <i1> I keep doing all kinds of stuff involuntarily
[00:42] <i1> and all the mac key combos are not the same
[00:43] <i1> I keep closing the browser window
[00:43] <i1> it suddenly shwooops up in the left corner
[00:44] <i1> I blame the mouse
[00:44] <i1> the ibooks are not like that lol
[00:45] <wxl> ⌘W is close
[00:45] <wxl> oh you're talking abotu the mouse
[00:45] <wxl> duh duh duh
[00:46] <i1> both really
[00:46] <i1> ; )
[00:46] <i1> key combos and mouse
[00:46] <i1> I discoved the ctrl alt  function is the key next to tab
[00:46] <i1> no space I mean
[00:46] <i1> the thumb-key
[00:47] <wxl> yep
[00:58] <i1> have a good night
[01:01] <wxl> u2
[01:02] <aedmark> Hi all. anyone available to help me with a wireless driver issue?
[01:05] <wxl> what up?
[01:07] <wxl> aedmark: ?
[01:08] <aedmark> I was wondering where I could get my hands on some drivers for a broadcom integrated wireless card
[01:09] <wxl> which card?
[01:09] <aedmark> lubuntu doesn't seem to have installed them, I'm assuming because they are proprietary.
[01:09] <aedmark> hmmm
[01:09] <aedmark> that's a good question
[01:10] <wxl> lspci -vnn | grep 14e4
[01:10] <wxl> Ignore everything, except the last part inside of the [ ]
[01:11] <aedmark> AirForce One 54g
[01:11] <wxl> ^^^^^^^^
[01:11] <aedmark> That is what is in the brackets, good sir
[01:12] <wxl> heh i'm not clear
[01:12] <wxl> what's * in [14e4:*] ?
[01:12] <wxl> 4318 i'm guessing?
[01:12] <aedmark> ahhh :4318
[01:12] <aedmark> yessir
[01:12] <aedmark> (I'm assuming you are a sir, apologies if you are not)
[01:13] <KM0201> 4318... iv'e had problems w/ that device.. i always just install the driver manually, and it ALWAYS works.
[01:13] <wxl> sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter firmware-b43-installer
[01:15] <aedmark> the problem here is that I can't apt-get on the computer in question
[01:15] <aedmark> seeing as it can't connect to the internet ;)
[01:15] <wxl> oh gawd
[01:15] <aedmark> Right?
[01:15] <wxl> go find an ethernet cable :D
[01:15] <aedmark> haha
[01:15] <wxl> seriously
[01:15] <aedmark> sigh, let me see if I can bridge connection
[01:15] <wxl> i mean go buy one if you have to :D
[01:16] <aedmark> haha I found one the other day, actually
[01:19] <aedmark> hmmm, okay I've got the cable and internet ready. I think I need the right repository for apt-get
[01:20] <wxl> where you is? and which lubuntu?
[01:21] <aedmark> 11.10
[01:21] <aedmark> Where I am as in geographically? I am in Iowa
[01:21] <wxl> k
[01:22] <wxl> deb http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu oneric multiverse
[01:22] <wxl> oneiric that is
[01:23] <wxl> archive works instead of ports too
[01:26] <aedmark> hmmm, how do you change the sources.list
[01:27] <aedmark> I haven't done this shit for years
[01:27] <wxl> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:27] <wxl> (or use your editor of choice)
[01:27] <wxl> actually wait
[01:27] <wxl> you can just:
[01:27] <aedmark> Yea but it's saying I don't have permission, even if I superuser it
[01:27] <wxl> echo "deb http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu oneiric multiverse" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:27] <wxl> oh wtf
[01:28] <wxl> that makes no sense
[01:28] <aedmark> indeed
[01:28] <wxl> there is no "root" per se set up in the lubuntu installer from 3what i remember
[01:28] <aedmark> yea I'm gonna add it through synaptic
[01:29] <wxl> that works too
[01:29] <wxl> or should
[01:29] <wxl> might
[01:29] <aedmark> kaching
[01:29] <aedmark> Creative problem solving. How am I still unemployed
[01:30] <wxl> of course not having su is bad
[01:30] <wxl> you should have permission
[01:30] <wxl> yous hould checek /etc/sudoers
[01:30] <aedmark> It may have been because I had synaptic open? I shall definitely look into that
[01:30] <wxl> yeah quite possibly
[01:31] <wxl> no don't think so
[01:31] <wxl> i had no problem with it
[01:33] <wxl> /etc/sudoers probably has %admin and %sudo set up with su access
[01:33] <aedmark> we have wireless
[01:33] <wxl> if you run groups in terminal you can see which groups your'e in
[01:33] <wxl> yey
[01:34] <wxl> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-linux-add-user-to-group/ might help if you're not in the right group
[01:35] <wxl> if the problem is in sudoers that's a different story
[01:35] <aedmark> yea I don't even have a /etc/sudoers
[01:35] <wxl> uh
[01:35] <aedmark> just sudoers.d
[01:37] <wxl> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo
[01:37] <wxl> you'll want to fix that crap
[01:38] <aedmark> I imagine so
[01:41] <aedmark> I wonder how it happened.
[01:41] <wxl> that's a good question
[01:41] <wxl> i wonder that too
[01:41] <wxl> how did you install?
[01:44] <aedmark> When I booted the CD I just told it to install. Hmmm.
[01:44] <wxl> so you used the live cd?
[01:44] <wxl> which version?
[01:44] <aedmark> Now even in recovery mode it says the file system is read-only
[01:45] <aedmark> the latest one
[01:45] <aedmark> 11.10
[01:45] <wxl> bah that crap.. did you ever figure that out KM0201 ?
[01:45] <KM0201> what "crap" is that?
[01:46] <wxl> readonly recovery
[01:46] <aedmark> Not very conducive to recovery
[01:46] <KM0201> hmm, i don't remmber that one
[01:46] <wxl> oh thought that was u
[01:47] <wxl> when u messed up your vm with lightdm :)
[01:47] <KM0201> it could have been, i'm just not 100% sure
[01:48] <wxl> see if mount -o rw,remount / works aedmark
[01:49] <aedmark> nope
[01:49] <aedmark> errors=remount-ro
[01:49] <wxl> sudo it maybe?
[01:50] <aedmark> nada
[01:50] <wxl> bah
[01:50] <aedmark> maybe I should just go with xubuntu ;)
[01:50] <wxl> oh shush
[01:50] <wxl> sudo mount <device-file> / -o rw,remount
[01:51] <wxl> assumedly you're probably /dev/sda1 or so
[01:51] <wxl> you can run mount to see where it's mounted currently
[01:51] <aedmark> could it be something to do with being formatted in ext4?
[01:52] <wxl> shouln't be
[01:53] <wxl> irony: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/friendly-recovery/+bug/575469
[01:54] <aedmark> dummies didn't fix it!
[01:54] <aedmark> Though your last suggestion allowed me to edit the file
[01:55] <wxl> they DID fix it
[01:55] <wxl> that whole discussion was about going from rw->ro
[01:56] <wxl> which now that i think about it makes sense
[01:56] <wxl> you can fsck
[01:56] <wxl> on the other hand.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/friendly-recovery/+bug/868755
[01:58] <aedmark_> hmph
[01:58] <aedmark_> So I think everything is gravy, now
[01:59] <wxl> cool
[01:59] <wxl> sudoers fixed?
[01:59] <aedmark_> it's there, yea
[02:00] <wxl> cool so boot it up and make sure you're cool
[02:00] <wxl> go sudo something :D
[02:00] <wxl> $ sudo lukeiamyourfather
[02:01] <aedmark_> Oh I did
[02:01] <aedmark_> I sudoed the sudoers file
[02:01] <wxl> yey
[02:02] <aedmark_> Is it normal for there to be no icons on the desktop for a new install. I assumed there would be at least shortcuts to folders and whatnot
[02:03] <wxl> yes!
[02:03] <aedmark_> Okay good
[02:04] <wxl> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9468742&postcount=3
[02:04] <aedmark_> hahaha
[02:05] <wxl> these will be useful to you:
[02:05] <wxl> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides
[02:05] <wxl> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Workarounds
[02:05] <wxl> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1844755
[02:06] <aedmark_> Thanks! I should be good now. Just wanted to set up a basic system for me to write and do research on
[02:07] <wxl> you'll be good then
[02:07] <wxl> abiword is actually pretty darn nice
[02:07] <aedmark_> I just need to find some good software to let me sort out notes and such. Yea I've used that before.
[02:07] <wxl> as a libreoffice fan i was really surprised by how much i liked it
[02:07] <wxl> sylpheed can kiss my ass tho.
[02:07] <aedmark_> I use openoffice on my PC, but abiword is definitely nice
[02:07] <wxl> but that's another story... ;)
[02:08] <aedmark_> oh right, I can use celtx
[02:08] <aedmark_> yay for portability
[02:08] <wxl> ah cool
[02:08] <aedmark_> evolution is always a good e-mail client for linux
[02:08] <aedmark_> I swear by thunderbird on the PC
[02:08] <wxl> i rather like tbird
[02:08] <wxl> i want claws to work but it doesn't have a unified inbox
[02:09] <wxl> that's #1 for me
[02:09] <wxl> i have a million email accounts
[02:09] <aedmark_> understandable
[02:09] <wxl> and folders up the wazoo
[02:25] <witedsexe> hi i was wondering is there away to remove things like chrome fromy computer without removing the entire lubuntu destro
[02:25] <witedsexe> there are just some applications i dont need in it i am using 11.10
[02:32] <Unit193> Yeah, it may remove the lubuntu-desktop !metapackage, but that's not a problem at all
[02:32] <Unit193> Only thing is you may need to reinstall that if you want to do a upgrade
[02:32] <Unit193> !metapackage | witedsexe
[02:34] <witedsexe> and? what dose that mean will it couse problems to remove or not
[02:36] <Unit193> Not unless you do an upgrade from 11.10 to 12.04 (when it comes out)
[02:36] <Unit193> And at that point, it's just highly recommended
[02:41] <witedsexe> i usualy end up doing a fesh install when i upgrade any ways
[02:41] <witedsexe> as it tends to cause me issues using the updater so i guess it wont then thanks for the info
[02:42] <Unit193> Great, have a nice evening
[03:06] <malvarma> Hey I'm sort of new to lubuntu. I just updated after my first install and suddenly the system tray disappears
[03:06] <malvarma> Like the whole notification area for volume, network manager, etc. I only get the power icon and the clock.
[03:06] <malvarma> Anyone ever experience this?
[06:31] <zors> Hi.  Stupid question here.  Currently have Ubuntu 11.10 installed and running Unity 2D - all runs fine, just a little slow at times.  Seriously considering moving to Lubuntu 11.10 - heard some good things about it.  Would I see any benefit in doing so? In other words:  Which is lighter:  Unity 2D or Lubuntu?  Any advice would be appreciated.  Thanks.
[06:33] <M0hi> lxde is lightweight. What is your RAM size and the processor?
[06:33] <M0hi> zors: ^
[06:34] <zors> 1.8 GHz Single core CPU.  2GB ram.  Intel 965 Graphics (integrated)
[06:42] <M0hi> zors: Try lubuntu as a fresh install so that you can find the difference of lxde as lightweight =]
[06:42] <M0hi> A live CD/USB will be what I prefer to be tried first
[06:44] <zors> Will do thanks.  Already have the ISO.  Will burn and run from live CD.  Really just looking for a "normal" DE.  Unity is driving me nuts - I think it's crap.  Thanks for the advice, much appreciated.
[06:45] <bioterror> people keeps nagging about unity but they never talk about upstart for example
[06:45] <M0hi> np
[06:45] <M0hi> lol
[06:46] <bioterror> m0hi is first on the line to buy a ubuntu mobile phone device ;)
[06:46] <bioterror> that's coming after 12.04
[06:46] <bioterror> ofcourse they will run Unity!
[06:47] <M0hi> bioterror: I think I am going to get a Nokia, erase the OS and use Ubuntu in it xD
[06:47] <M0hi> or some Samsung
[06:47] <zors> No offence meant by my statement.  Unity may be great for some, but I find it counter-productive.  Shame they killed gnome2.  People are flocking to lxde & xfce in droves - and for good reason I think.
[06:48] <bioterror> XFCE4 should give all what Gnome2 users are looking for
[06:50] <zors> True.  Actually ran an lxde setup on an old desktop some years back - solid and reliable.
[10:44] <psilo23> Lubuntu saved my life
[11:45] <malcmail> Anyone around to help with a problem sharing my scanner on a network?
[12:50] <malcmail> Anyone around to help with a problem sharing my scanner on a network?
[13:18] <lubuntu214> Great work guys on Lubuntu. Best Lightweight Distro around!
[13:18] <lubuntu214> Excellent work goes to the LXDE team, pcmanfm...etc...
[13:18] <lubuntu214> :)
[17:07] <malcmail> seems very quiet in here :-s
[17:13] <croque> lubuntu works so well...nobody has any problems
[17:28] <KM0201> croque: that's probably a bit of a stretch, but... it does work well.. :)
[17:29] <croque> :)
[19:38] <fitus> hello everyone
[19:39] <fitus> can someone please tell me where can I get the lubuntu repositories for lubuntu 11.10
[19:40] <fitus> I upgraded and now everytime I update it says that some repos, has been ignored
[19:45] <croque> fitus: as far as I know the lubuntu repositories are the same as the ubuntu repositories in 11.10
[19:45] <Unit193> Ah, I had that, changed the repos to try and fix
[19:45] <fitus> so is safe to use then the ubuntu repos, with lubuntu ?
[19:46] <Unit193> As long as you take a look, should be the same
[19:46] <fitus> i had lubuntu 11.04 but i upgrded to lubuntu 11.10 and nos some repo's been ignored
[19:47] <croque> which repos are being ignored?
[19:47] <fitus> google, wine, and pms-linux
[19:48] <fitus> so I found an ubuntu repo generator, is it safe to generate and use that instead ?
[19:49] <croque> are you having problems with your system? Did the upgrade work?
[19:49] <Unit193> Ehh, I personally wouldn't want to use that
[19:50] <boudy> bonsoir j'essaye d'installer lubuntu sur ma machine mais sans succes qqn peut m'aider ?
[19:51] <Unit193> !fr | boudy
[19:52] <croque> fitus: here's my sources.list from a clean install of lubuntu 11.10 http://paste.ubuntu.com/727544/
[19:52] <boudy> sorry let's speak english
[19:52] <croque> fitus: I added getdeb....and it's for the Canadian servers
[19:53] <boudy> is there somebody who can help me, lubuntu doesn't work on my laptop
[19:55] <croque> boudy: what do you mean "doesn't work"?
[19:56] <fitus> ok I will do that , thanks
[19:56] <boudy> croque: bios start well but then  i have a black screen
[19:56] <boudy> i tried to do ctrl
[19:57] <boudy> alt f1 but the screen is still black
[20:02] <croque> boudy: I'm afraid I can't help you much. Lubuntu booted fine on several laptops I own.
[20:02] <croque> perhaps someone else here can troubleshoot it with you.
[20:02] <Unit193> !boot
[20:03] <Unit193> Or doesn't even make it to the "Try Lubuntu" screen?