[00:00] I wonder if it is hard ware failures, graphic driver issues, [00:00] I have no idea really [00:00] it is [00:00] it boots fin in xp recovery cd [00:01] add nomodeset to grub [00:02] hm, how? [00:02] I get a second or so of the lubuntu boot up logo, but then turn white [00:03] bah and what sucks is that i'm normally on ppc which has a totally different bootloader and my virtual machine is funky in startup and doesn't show jack [00:03] I googled white screen on the Ubuntu forum, and I am not the only one who has ever got it [00:03] i'm thinking that you hit shift right after bios [00:03] but can't find any explanations or solutions, [00:03] oh I see [00:04] ohhhh [00:05] you might try to and see if you can get to the virtual console [00:05] here's some goood stuff for you [00:05] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1743535 [00:06] scroll down to the "troubleshooting flow chart" and have at it [00:06] console is a bit scary [00:06] do not fear [00:07] thanks [00:07] great [00:08] you can't break the live cd for example ;) [00:08] the odd this is that puppy linux manages to boot fine, [00:08] but has major issues with fan control and heating [00:08] i don't know if it's clear but the live cd loads your operating sysetm into ram.. so you can edit files and such but the second you shutdown/reboot those changes disappear [00:09] * wxl is not a huge fan of puppy [00:09] yeah, it is a bit flimsy [00:09] lubuntu is very solid [00:09] i must admit lubuntu is not 100% on my ppc machine but ppc's aren't officially supported, so i figure it's doing a pretty darn good job [00:10] (and i'm working on trying to figure out how to tweak it in the meanwhile0 :D [00:10] yes, it is very hard ware dependent [00:11] on some laptops lubuntu slides on and works straight away [00:11] many/most i'd say [00:11] i need some sdram for this thinkpad i have so i can see how it goes on there [00:12] except a fujitsu I have. Some have linux fine on fujitsus [00:12] 11.10 goes very nice on a HP [00:12] even ubuntu does [00:13] I never tired 11.04, but the previous one never manage to boot the live cd [00:13] yeah i had some problems when it first came out [00:13] my point is; I have bumped in to strange problems [00:13] they're always there to some degree or another [00:14] it was the same with all the butus, on the HP laptop [00:15] it is about 4 years now I think, so hard ware getting older [00:15] i'm excited to have it go so easily on my powerbook :D [00:15] a mac? [00:15] i have a g3 powerbook that is proving to be a bit more of a problem but i think that's more of the computer's fault [00:15] yep [00:15] a ppc too.. no intel [00:16] some apple computers have some linux issues, [00:16] the old world macs like the g3s are quite difficult [00:16] mine needs a firmware upgrade [00:16] which is NOT a linux problem [00:16] the white and black smaller ibooks or what ever they are called takes buntus fine it seems [00:16] but the g4 was easy [00:17] I see [00:17] processor runs a little hot in lubuntu. not in mintppc. trying to dissect that.. [00:17] I am looking for a used mac to play around wiht [00:17] if it's an intel you should be ok [00:17] I'm not willing to pay much, you sort of loose all point in upgrading and fixing up [00:18] ppc's will make you work for it :D [00:18] might as well get a new one then [00:18] if you want os x tho, meh [00:18] it's just a really messed up bsd with a fancy desktop environment [00:18] I'm not that familiar with os x. can you get it back if you install lubuntu? [00:20] from what i understand, you ideally need to install os x, then split your partition, make sure the 2nd one ISN'T hfs journaled (hfs+) and then you can install lubuntu on it [00:20] i've heard that putting os x on there afterwards might not be so easy [00:21] i haven't tried [00:21] i was thinking i might have to add os x back for a certain app i liked but i think i finally found a good linux solution [00:21] possibly a better one [00:21] tho naturally it's got a steeper learning curve ;) [00:21] but that's part of the fun with linux, i think [00:21] I have worked on apple computers, but never installed or done too much tweaking of the soft ware [00:21] I burned free bsd [00:21] just to see how it works [00:21] it does seem to be recommended for servers mostly [00:22] yes, I suppose it does [00:22] bsd is ok [00:22] i kind of grew up on bsd, dos and.. ummm cp/m [00:23] I don't do too much really, I mean, if some mentions compiling I am blanc [00:23] I mostly used windows, ever, until the last few years [00:23] first time i seriously installed linux it was slackware on an old thinkpad laptop [00:23] that was pretty hardcore.. wasn't a lot of support for linux on laptops at the time [00:24] it was basically roll your own kernel [00:24] so compiling is no big dela [00:26] it's fun when you can make old laptops run like new again almost [00:26] i think it's fantastic [00:26] with 512 RAM lubuntu is fast. Windows 7 hardly at all [00:27] windows 7 is ridiculous [00:27] I had to order a new cpu for my laptop [00:27] I got a faster and better one, even lower consumption and heat [00:28] yes, at least for older hardware [00:28] I had windows 7 on 1GB and 1.5 celeron cpu, and it was all fine [00:28] so it's not that bad [00:29] the atom cpus are quite good, [00:29] trouble with laptops they don't easily adapt to different cpus [00:30] they don't adapt to much [00:31] it's a shame, they should provide gpu and cpu with sockets commonly available [00:31] yeah [00:31] well that and hardware should be equally open source [00:32] yes, that is why apple computers are as good as they are [00:32] i'm proud to be using a recycled old laptop with free (as in speech) software on it for this experimental music project i do, but am bummed the hardware isn't equally as free [00:32] of course there's no laptop that is [00:32] the get access to all info needed to make good drivers [00:33] apple is proprietary as hell unfortunately [00:33] which is silly in many cases [00:34] when it is intel through and through, except plastic casing, why make it that difficult? [00:34] I have seen XP installed on some ibooks [00:35] ran all fine [00:35] hm that's curious [00:36] I suspect it must have been built on intel hard ware and commonly available parts [00:36] my fathers new mac came with the possibility to have windows as dual boot [00:37] yeah with intel no prob [00:38] it's the top model in the imac range [00:38] bought this summer [00:38] it's really nice [00:39] we have an imac at home [00:40] my wife insisted on the damn thing :D [00:40] it's really a good machine tho [00:40] hi hi [00:40] i've got windows 7 and lubuntu virtual machines on it [00:40] the former for those rare cases that i need it and the latter.... so i feel at home ;) [00:40] the screen is really nice and it is very tidy with no wires at all [00:40] yeah it's a good design [00:41] i LOVE the mouse [00:41] looks very cool [00:41] keyboard too, the minimal white one [00:41] white aluminum [00:42] I'm not yet used to the mouse [00:42] the keyboard is a bit limited [00:42] I keep doing all kinds of stuff involuntarily [00:42] and all the mac key combos are not the same [00:43] I keep closing the browser window [00:43] it suddenly shwooops up in the left corner [00:44] I blame the mouse [00:44] the ibooks are not like that lol [00:45] ⌘W is close [00:45] oh you're talking abotu the mouse [00:45] duh duh duh [00:46] both really [00:46] ; ) [00:46] key combos and mouse [00:46] I discoved the ctrl alt function is the key next to tab [00:46] no space I mean [00:46] the thumb-key [00:47] yep [00:58] have a good night [01:01] u2 [01:02] Hi all. anyone available to help me with a wireless driver issue? [01:05] what up? [01:07] aedmark: ? [01:08] I was wondering where I could get my hands on some drivers for a broadcom integrated wireless card [01:09] which card? [01:09] lubuntu doesn't seem to have installed them, I'm assuming because they are proprietary. [01:09] hmmm [01:09] that's a good question [01:10] lspci -vnn | grep 14e4 [01:10] Ignore everything, except the last part inside of the [ ] [01:11] AirForce One 54g [01:11] ^^^^^^^^ [01:11] That is what is in the brackets, good sir [01:12] heh i'm not clear [01:12] what's * in [14e4:*] ? [01:12] 4318 i'm guessing? [01:12] ahhh :4318 [01:12] yessir [01:12] (I'm assuming you are a sir, apologies if you are not) [01:13] 4318... iv'e had problems w/ that device.. i always just install the driver manually, and it ALWAYS works. [01:13] sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter firmware-b43-installer [01:15] the problem here is that I can't apt-get on the computer in question [01:15] seeing as it can't connect to the internet ;) [01:15] oh gawd [01:15] Right? [01:15] go find an ethernet cable :D [01:15] haha [01:15] seriously [01:15] sigh, let me see if I can bridge connection [01:15] i mean go buy one if you have to :D [01:16] haha I found one the other day, actually [01:19] hmmm, okay I've got the cable and internet ready. I think I need the right repository for apt-get [01:20] where you is? and which lubuntu? [01:21] 11.10 [01:21] Where I am as in geographically? I am in Iowa [01:21] k [01:22] deb http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu oneric multiverse [01:22] oneiric that is [01:23] archive works instead of ports too [01:26] hmmm, how do you change the sources.list [01:27] I haven't done this shit for years [01:27] sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list [01:27] (or use your editor of choice) [01:27] actually wait [01:27] you can just: [01:27] Yea but it's saying I don't have permission, even if I superuser it [01:27] echo "deb http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu oneiric multiverse" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list [01:27] oh wtf [01:28] that makes no sense [01:28] indeed [01:28] there is no "root" per se set up in the lubuntu installer from 3what i remember [01:28] yea I'm gonna add it through synaptic [01:29] that works too [01:29] or should [01:29] might [01:29] kaching [01:29] Creative problem solving. How am I still unemployed [01:30] of course not having su is bad [01:30] you should have permission [01:30] yous hould checek /etc/sudoers [01:30] It may have been because I had synaptic open? I shall definitely look into that [01:30] yeah quite possibly [01:31] no don't think so [01:31] i had no problem with it [01:33] /etc/sudoers probably has %admin and %sudo set up with su access [01:33] we have wireless [01:33] if you run groups in terminal you can see which groups your'e in [01:33] yey [01:34] http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-linux-add-user-to-group/ might help if you're not in the right group [01:35] if the problem is in sudoers that's a different story [01:35] yea I don't even have a /etc/sudoers [01:35] uh [01:35] just sudoers.d [01:37] http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo [01:37] you'll want to fix that crap [01:38] I imagine so [01:41] I wonder how it happened. [01:41] that's a good question [01:41] i wonder that too [01:41] how did you install? [01:44] When I booted the CD I just told it to install. Hmmm. [01:44] so you used the live cd? [01:44] which version? [01:44] Now even in recovery mode it says the file system is read-only [01:45] the latest one [01:45] 11.10 [01:45] bah that crap.. did you ever figure that out KM0201 ? [01:45] what "crap" is that? [01:46] readonly recovery [01:46] Not very conducive to recovery [01:46] hmm, i don't remmber that one [01:46] oh thought that was u [01:47] when u messed up your vm with lightdm :) [01:47] it could have been, i'm just not 100% sure [01:48] see if mount -o rw,remount / works aedmark [01:49] nope [01:49] errors=remount-ro [01:49] sudo it maybe? [01:50] nada [01:50] bah [01:50] maybe I should just go with xubuntu ;) [01:50] oh shush [01:50] sudo mount / -o rw,remount [01:51] assumedly you're probably /dev/sda1 or so [01:51] you can run mount to see where it's mounted currently [01:51] could it be something to do with being formatted in ext4? [01:52] shouln't be [01:53] irony: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/friendly-recovery/+bug/575469 [01:53] Ubuntu bug 575469 in friendly-recovery (Ubuntu Oneiric) "[UIFe] [FFe] recovery mode mounts filesystems read-write rather than read-only" [Medium,Fix released] [01:54] dummies didn't fix it! [01:54] Though your last suggestion allowed me to edit the file [01:55] they DID fix it [01:55] that whole discussion was about going from rw->ro [01:56] which now that i think about it makes sense [01:56] you can fsck [01:56] on the other hand.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/friendly-recovery/+bug/868755 [01:56] Ubuntu bug 868755 in friendly-recovery (Ubuntu) "Always starts ro (read-only)" [Undecided,Confirmed] [01:58] hmph [01:58] So I think everything is gravy, now [01:59] cool [01:59] sudoers fixed? [01:59] it's there, yea [02:00] cool so boot it up and make sure you're cool [02:00] go sudo something :D [02:00] $ sudo lukeiamyourfather [02:01] Oh I did [02:01] I sudoed the sudoers file [02:01] yey [02:02] Is it normal for there to be no icons on the desktop for a new install. I assumed there would be at least shortcuts to folders and whatnot [02:03] yes! [02:03] Okay good [02:04] http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9468742&postcount=3 [02:04] hahaha [02:05] these will be useful to you: [02:05] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides [02:05] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Workarounds [02:05] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1844755 [02:06] Thanks! I should be good now. Just wanted to set up a basic system for me to write and do research on [02:07] you'll be good then [02:07] abiword is actually pretty darn nice [02:07] I just need to find some good software to let me sort out notes and such. Yea I've used that before. [02:07] as a libreoffice fan i was really surprised by how much i liked it [02:07] sylpheed can kiss my ass tho. [02:07] I use openoffice on my PC, but abiword is definitely nice [02:07] but that's another story... ;) [02:08] oh right, I can use celtx [02:08] yay for portability [02:08] ah cool [02:08] evolution is always a good e-mail client for linux [02:08] I swear by thunderbird on the PC [02:08] i rather like tbird [02:08] i want claws to work but it doesn't have a unified inbox [02:09] that's #1 for me [02:09] i have a million email accounts [02:09] understandable [02:09] and folders up the wazoo [02:25] hi i was wondering is there away to remove things like chrome fromy computer without removing the entire lubuntu destro [02:25] there are just some applications i dont need in it i am using 11.10 [02:32] Yeah, it may remove the lubuntu-desktop !metapackage, but that's not a problem at all [02:32] Only thing is you may need to reinstall that if you want to do a upgrade [02:32] !metapackage | witedsexe [02:32] witedsexe: A meta-package is a package that simply depends upon other packages and brings them in. It's not a real package, but a very useful package that can drag in other package versions. [02:34] and? what dose that mean will it couse problems to remove or not [02:36] Not unless you do an upgrade from 11.10 to 12.04 (when it comes out) [02:36] And at that point, it's just highly recommended [02:41] i usualy end up doing a fesh install when i upgrade any ways [02:41] as it tends to cause me issues using the updater so i guess it wont then thanks for the info [02:42] Great, have a nice evening [03:06] Hey I'm sort of new to lubuntu. I just updated after my first install and suddenly the system tray disappears [03:06] Like the whole notification area for volume, network manager, etc. I only get the power icon and the clock. [03:06] Anyone ever experience this? === LinoSP_ is now known as LinoSP === LinoSP_ is now known as LinoSP === LinoSP_ is now known as LinoSP === semitones_tea is now known as semitones === aw is now known as Guest71338 [06:31] Hi. Stupid question here. Currently have Ubuntu 11.10 installed and running Unity 2D - all runs fine, just a little slow at times. Seriously considering moving to Lubuntu 11.10 - heard some good things about it. Would I see any benefit in doing so? In other words: Which is lighter: Unity 2D or Lubuntu? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks. [06:33] lxde is lightweight. What is your RAM size and the processor? [06:33] zors: ^ [06:34] 1.8 GHz Single core CPU. 2GB ram. Intel 965 Graphics (integrated) [06:42] zors: Try lubuntu as a fresh install so that you can find the difference of lxde as lightweight =] [06:42] A live CD/USB will be what I prefer to be tried first [06:44] Will do thanks. Already have the ISO. Will burn and run from live CD. Really just looking for a "normal" DE. Unity is driving me nuts - I think it's crap. Thanks for the advice, much appreciated. [06:45] people keeps nagging about unity but they never talk about upstart for example [06:45] np [06:45] lol [06:46] m0hi is first on the line to buy a ubuntu mobile phone device ;) [06:46] that's coming after 12.04 [06:46] ofcourse they will run Unity! [06:47] bioterror: I think I am going to get a Nokia, erase the OS and use Ubuntu in it xD [06:47] or some Samsung [06:47] No offence meant by my statement. Unity may be great for some, but I find it counter-productive. Shame they killed gnome2. People are flocking to lxde & xfce in droves - and for good reason I think. [06:48] XFCE4 should give all what Gnome2 users are looking for [06:50] True. Actually ran an lxde setup on an old desktop some years back - solid and reliable. === M0hi is now known as confus3d === confus3d is now known as M0hi === Guest36133 is now known as head_ === zmijunkie_ is now known as zmijunkie === head_victim is now known as Guest2055 === M0hi is now known as IAmNotThatGuy === IAmNotThatGuy is now known as C0nfus3d === C0nfus3d is now known as Mohan_chml [10:44] Lubuntu saved my life [11:45] Anyone around to help with a problem sharing my scanner on a network? [12:50] Anyone around to help with a problem sharing my scanner on a network? [13:18] Great work guys on Lubuntu. Best Lightweight Distro around! [13:18] Excellent work goes to the LXDE team, pcmanfm...etc... [13:18] :) [17:07] seems very quiet in here :-s [17:13] lubuntu works so well...nobody has any problems === TheDaniel0108 is now known as EvilDaniel0108 [17:28] croque: that's probably a bit of a stretch, but... it does work well.. :) [17:29] :) === Mkaysi_ is now known as Mkaysi [19:38] hello everyone [19:39] can someone please tell me where can I get the lubuntu repositories for lubuntu 11.10 [19:40] I upgraded and now everytime I update it says that some repos, has been ignored [19:45] fitus: as far as I know the lubuntu repositories are the same as the ubuntu repositories in 11.10 [19:45] Ah, I had that, changed the repos to try and fix [19:45] so is safe to use then the ubuntu repos, with lubuntu ? [19:46] As long as you take a look, should be the same [19:46] i had lubuntu 11.04 but i upgrded to lubuntu 11.10 and nos some repo's been ignored [19:47] which repos are being ignored? [19:47] google, wine, and pms-linux [19:48] so I found an ubuntu repo generator, is it safe to generate and use that instead ? [19:49] are you having problems with your system? Did the upgrade work? [19:49] Ehh, I personally wouldn't want to use that [19:50] bonsoir j'essaye d'installer lubuntu sur ma machine mais sans succes qqn peut m'aider ? [19:51] !fr | boudy [19:51] boudy: Ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en français, veuillez taper /join #ubuntu-fr ou /join #ubuntu-qc. Merci. [19:52] fitus: here's my sources.list from a clean install of lubuntu 11.10 http://paste.ubuntu.com/727544/ [19:52] sorry let's speak english [19:52] fitus: I added getdeb....and it's for the Canadian servers [19:53] is there somebody who can help me, lubuntu doesn't work on my laptop [19:55] boudy: what do you mean "doesn't work"? [19:56] ok I will do that , thanks [19:56] croque: bios start well but then i have a black screen [19:56] i tried to do ctrl [19:57] alt f1 but the screen is still black [20:02] boudy: I'm afraid I can't help you much. Lubuntu booted fine on several laptops I own. [20:02] perhaps someone else here can troubleshoot it with you. [20:02] !boot [20:02] Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto [20:03] Or doesn't even make it to the "Try Lubuntu" screen?