[00:00] <Cheesehead> Hang on...
[00:00] <jrgifford> yeah, it looks like an untitled document here as well.
[00:00] <Cheesehead> https://docs.google.com/document/d/13VOmTgEqCzIW8oITV2d5fIRD3xsiKRVMd39OUlpx6xQ/edit?hl=en_US
[00:00] <Cheesehead> I missed part of the tail the the previous paste. Apologies.
[00:01] <jrgifford> ok, it's loading how. thanks Cheesehead. :)
[00:01]  * Cheesehead waits to see if the list comes up...
[00:01] <Cheesehead> The way I plan to run my sessions is Very Little Lecture (TM)
[00:01]  * Cheesehead jokes about trademarks becasue he thinks it's funny. Nobody else does
[00:02] <Cheesehead> Thanks, narrator.
[00:02] <jrgifford> heh, i joke about trademarks all the time. :D
[00:02] <Cheesehead> Mostly sharing stories
[00:02] <jrgifford> they be funny
[00:02] <Cheesehead> A shill or two in the audience (assistant) to keep the conversation moving
[00:02]  * philipballew learns to read
[00:02]  * philipballew reads document
[00:02] <Cheesehead> And as each story touches on an important point, the trainer just hilights it.
[00:03] <philipballew> so what happens when I sign up for a topic?
[00:03] <Cheesehead> It's a style that works well with 5-8 participants
[00:03] <Cheesehead> When you sign up for a topic, I get notified (because I subscribe to the page)
[00:03] <Cheesehead> And when I create the schedule, I put you on it.
[00:04] <philipballew> so am i leading a session on this topic?
[00:04] <Cheesehead> If someone is uncomfortable or nervaouss and wants to do a 10-minute practice run, that can be easily arranged.
[00:05] <Cheesehead> If you sign up as a trainer, you are volunteering to lead a workshop.
[00:05] <Cheesehead> Any skills strike you? (Any not on the list, too?)
[00:08]  * Cheesehead fills the dishwasher
[00:10] <Cheesehead> If you sign up as an assistant, then you're supporting the trainer however they need.
[00:10] <philipballew> ChanServ, I have run sessions both in ubuntu user days and ubuntu open week
[00:10] <philipballew> no...
[00:10] <philipballew> Cheesehead, ^
[00:10] <philipballew> I am okay in that area
[00:11]  * Cheesehead is confused
[00:11] <Cheesehead> Which area?
[00:11] <jrgifford> in the public-irc-speaking area
[00:12] <Cheesehead> That's an important skill right there.
[00:12] <Cheesehead> Speaking on what topics?
[00:12] <jrgifford> he should teach us that
[00:12] <philipballew> here, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/philipballew
[00:13]  * Cheesehead reads
[00:13] <philipballew> its on the table of contents on ubuntu classroom
[00:15]  * Cheesehead still reads
[00:16]  * philipballew still pretends to know what he is doing
[00:16]  * Cheesehead also pretends to know what he is doing
[00:19]  * Cheesehead still reads while cleaning the kitchen
[00:19]  * philipballew does homework
[00:20] <philipballew> correction
[00:20]  * philipballew attempts homework
[00:21] <Cheesehead> I see on your blog you planned and executed a successful Ubuntu Hour, and followed it up with more ideas to improve it. That's another whole session right there.
[00:23] <Cheesehead> How comfortable are you with facilitating discussions instead of the more-common lecture format?
[00:24] <jrgifford> i don't think you're asking me, but i'm somewhat familiar.
[00:24]  * Cheesehead is trying to recruit jrgifford, too
[00:24] <jrgifford> hehe.
[00:24] <philipballew> Cheesehead, I run a ubuntu hour all the time
[00:24] <Cheesehead> jrgifford: How about your favorite skills from the list?
[00:25] <philipballew> have run two different ones
[00:25] <jrgifford> Cheesehead: reading it right now
[00:25] <philipballew> creating discussion. I can do that. I am currently blogging about what to do when noone comes to your ubuntu hour
[00:25] <philipballew> it happened last night :)
[00:25] <jrgifford> I like turning lurkers into awesome folks
[00:26] <jrgifford> i'm not good, but I like trying.
[00:26] <philipballew> all the main people were at uds
[00:26] <Cheesehead> philipballew: I run one, too. And nobody comes. So I think Ubuntu Hour Strategies and Tactics is a rich field for discussion.
[00:26] <philipballew> or catholic church
[00:26] <philipballew> I will talk about that and try to get people talking
[00:27] <Cheesehead> philipballew: Would you *please* add that skill to the googledocs list? and then, *pretty please* sign up as a trainer for that subject on the wiki page?
[00:27] <philipballew> alright.
[00:27]  * philipballew again attempts to act like he knows what he is doing
[00:28] <Cheesehead> On the wiki, please put me down as an assistant. I'll be there anyway, so I may as well help...
[00:28] <philipballew> alright. I would love to
[00:29]  * Cheesehead snaps the chain shut around philipballew's ankle
[00:29] <philipballew> UBUNTU FOR LIFE!!!!
[00:30] <Cheesehead> philipballew: Whose life? (or what object's life?)
[00:30] <philipballew> My life . lol
[00:30] <philipballew> where's the wiki from this afternoon?
[00:31] <Cheesehead> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/meeting/19370/community-p-leadership-team/
[00:31] <Cheesehead> ?
[00:32] <philipballew> yeah, this
[00:32] <philipballew> well i can use this to get to the page to add my name
[00:33] <Cheesehead> Add your name?
[00:34]  * Cheesehead meant https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLeadership/Projects#skills for IRC workshops
[00:34] <philipballew> well Cheesehead is that not where I should add my name?
[00:35] <Cheesehead> Please add your name to the wiki link. You can add your name to the summit link if you wish -of course-, but the wiki link is what I'm using for the IRC planning
[00:36] <philipballew> Cheesehead, ok, so what is the exact link you need me to have
[00:36]  * philipballew has seen to many links today
[00:39] <philipballew> Cheesehead, https://docs.google.com/document/d/13VOmTgEqCzIW8oITV2d5fIRD3xsiKRVMd39OUlpx6xQ/edit?hl=en_US is that look good
[00:39] <Cheesehead> philipballew: Er, would you mind terribly moving your additions down to #37-ish?
[00:40]  * Cheesehead shuts up when he sees philipballew is ahead of me
[00:40] <philipballew> :)
[00:40] <Cheesehead> Gentlemen, those three ideas look great.
[00:41] <Cheesehead> next step is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLeadership/Projects#skills
[00:41] <philipballew> I have no problem running all the discussions on these ideas here I have presented
[00:41] <Cheesehead> philipballew: Then do *please* sign yourself up on the wiki link  I just posted...
[00:41] <philipballew> Cheesehead, what exactly is assistant and trainer?
[00:42] <philipballew> so I know what's up around here these days
[00:42] <jrgifford> excellent, Cheesehead you be organized
[00:42] <Cheesehead> Trainer is primary. Assistant is whatever help is needed or wanted.
[00:42] <Cheesehead> Trainer is the subject expert, assistant need not be an expert.
[00:42] <Cheesehead> For example, my assistants will help facilitate slow conversation.
[00:43] <Cheesehead> As the trainer, it's the ace up my sleeve to prevent a slow class.
[00:43] <jrgifford> ok, i'll add myself in the morning, need to go now.
[00:43] <jrgifford> awesome, I love the way this is going.
[00:43] <Cheesehead> jrgifford: Thank you! Have a good night.
[00:44]  * jrgifford is going to steal some tricks from Cheesehead for the ubuntu power users group. :D
[00:44] <Cheesehead> That's what sharing is for :) It's only stealing if you gove nothing back...
[00:45] <Cheesehead> like better spelling
[00:45] <philipballew> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLeadership/Projects
[00:45] <philipballew> ^look at the mess I might have made
[00:46] <Cheesehead> Fabulous.
[00:48]  * philipballew gets dinner 
[00:48] <philipballew> nothing beats school cafeteria food
[00:49] <Cheesehead> philipballew: Thanks for getting involved, and for digging until you found gold!
[00:49] <Cheesehead> I plan to work up a tentative schedule Friday, I'll send it 'round e-mail.
[00:50] <philipballew> alright. i want to see this take off. it looks cool!
[00:50] <Cheesehead> For feedback. Since, of course, trainers need to be able to make their sessions!
[00:50]  * Cheesehead mus go off to put kids to bed
[00:50] <Cheesehead> Have agood night, everybody!
[00:50]  * Cheesehead looks at his fingers in disbelief
[00:51]  * Cheesehead departs
[02:13] <Cheesehead> valorie, DarwinSurvivor, philipballew : IRC session tentative schedule at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLeadership/Projects . I would certainly love input, especially about how to make the time zones work....
[02:14] <philipballew> I live in California
[02:14] <Cheesehead> philipballew: Right. I don;t want you to have to get up in the middle of the night to teach. that would be silly.
[02:14] <Cheesehead> But it's just as silly for us to ignore Ubuntu members at the antipodes
[02:15] <philipballew> I would rather do that then like 6 am
[02:15] <DarwinSurvivor> Cheesehead: i think we should find out what time zones people are in that want to attend
[02:15] <philipballew> thats when I get up for uds this week
[02:15] <DarwinSurvivor> if someone isn't planning on attending, no point in working their time-zone into it
[02:16] <Cheesehead> DarwinSurvivor: True, but then are we guilty of North-America-centrism?
[02:16] <DarwinSurvivor> not if there is no interrest outside of north ameria
[02:16] <DarwinSurvivor> *america
[02:17] <philipballew> What time will these be in regular people time?
[02:17] <DarwinSurvivor> if someone from europe/china/japan/africa/etc wants to attend, we can try to work the schedule to accomodate them
[02:17] <DarwinSurvivor> philipballew: define "regular people time" :P
[02:17] <philipballew> This is going to sound bad now
[02:17] <Cheesehead> I think some time-shifting (morning and evening) will be needed. That;s one option.
[02:17] <philipballew> California Time
[02:18] <DarwinSurvivor> well, that works for me! (british columbia)
[02:18] <Cheesehead> Well, 0500 in CA is 2200 in Tokyo
[02:18] <DarwinSurvivor> although we really should post everything in UTC, so people only need to convert once.
[02:19] <Cheesehead> But evening people in CA and morning people in JP get annoyed by that.
[02:19] <Cheesehead> (I'm a morning person)
[02:19] <DarwinSurvivor> when do we find out who is interrested?
[02:19] <Cheesehead> Agreed, final time posting will be in UTC - that's an accepted standard in the community
[02:19] <Cheesehead> DarwinSurvivor: Ah, there;s the rub
[02:19] <DarwinSurvivor> do we get some notice, or do they just "show up"?
[02:19] <Cheesehead> Show up
[02:20] <DarwinSurvivor> ah....
[02:20] <DarwinSurvivor> how is it advertised?
[02:20] <philipballew> i will blog to the planet
[02:20] <Cheesehead> Well, blog, planet, fridge, IRC Chatter, e-mail, etc. Everything except TV.
[02:20] <DarwinSurvivor> so it's just everyone personally sending out where-ever?
[02:21] <DarwinSurvivor> will there be anything on the ubuntu site? other than the fridge
[02:21] <Cheesehead> Ubuntu site?
[02:22] <Cheesehead> I think most of our interested folks keep an eye on the planet, UWN, and their favorite team meetings.
[02:22] <DarwinSurvivor> basically, is canonical going to be doing any announcements about upcoming training sessions, or is it 100% up to us?
[02:22] <Cheesehead> 100% us
[02:22] <Cheesehead> Anything from Canonical is a bonus.
[02:23] <Cheesehead> It's not their project.
[02:23] <philipballew> it wont happen from them
[02:23] <Cheesehead> philipballew: We don;t know that.
[02:23] <philipballew> I guess not
[02:23] <DarwinSurvivor> ok
[02:24] <Cheesehead> Sure, we could launch a "Hey, Jono, please blog about this"..and he probably would. But is that going to get any extra participants on board?
[02:24] <DarwinSurvivor> does anyone remember that site we used a while back to pick meeting times? (voting for time slots)
[02:25] <Cheesehead> I'm heading off to bed in a minute. We don't need to decide this tonight. Just think about the issues - how can we plan the times for maximum participation and minimum confusion?
[02:26] <Cheesehead> (and take a look at that wiki link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLeadership/Projects to see if the general flow makes sense)
[02:26] <philipballew> it looks good.
[02:27] <philipballew> what is going to be the governing structure here you think?
[02:27] <Cheesehead> structure?
[02:27] <philipballew> well we have people in charge here, or will it be more all in charge?
[02:28] <Cheesehead> Well, me have a lot of polite people here, too.
[02:28] <Cheesehead> My topics involve a lot of sharing, so I plan to use that gregariousness
[02:29] <Cheesehead> I also plan to have a shill in the audience to help keep things flowing the right direction
[02:30] <Cheesehead> PLus, if needed, the channel can be moderated
[02:30] <Cheesehead> Am I addressing structure?
[02:33] <Cheesehead> I wonder about Dec 6 and Dec 20. They are closely related. I must ask them if they want to build on each other's session, or if I should split them up.
[02:33]  * Cheesehead yawns
[02:33] <Cheesehead> Ah, my toothbrush is calling. Good night!
[02:34]  * Cheesehead departs
[06:46] <benonsoftware> Hello all
[07:05] <valorie> hi folks -- I'm willing to do my session any time, or twice, or whatever works
[07:06] <valorie> I"m NOT a morning person, but I'll prepare
[07:06] <valorie> and if it's 5am, I'll go back to bed afterwards
[07:06] <valorie> :-)
[07:15] <valorie> of course, I would prefer afternoons and evenings my time, PDT
[07:16] <benonsoftware> kkkl
[07:16] <benonsoftware> Sorry
[10:03]  * Cheesehead reads scrollback and sees valorie's input. Thanks.
[13:51] <NRWlion> hey there
[13:51] <jrgifford> hello NRWlion!
[23:43] <Cheesehead> pleia2: Thanks for the classroom e-mail response. That's exactly what I needed to update the "Guidance for Trainers" wiki at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLeadership/Projects . Do you mind if I copy-and-paste your description of the three IRC channels?