[00:03] <snap-l> hey now
[00:06] <gamerchick02> nah. i was early
[00:06] <gamerchick02> :-P
[00:21] <rick_h> http://developer.yahoo.com/blogs/ydn/posts/2011/11/yahoo-announces-cocktails-%E2%80%93-shaken-not-stirred/
[02:00] <Blazeix> rick_h: snap-l: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3179505
[03:15] <snap-l> Blazeix: Ouch
[06:19] <Guest7117> hello
[12:23] <Wolfger> Morning.
[12:29] <brousch> go away
[12:35] <snap-l> Good morning
[13:01] <rick_h> morning
[13:02] <rick_h> Blazeix: awesome, that's perfect timing and going into my talk!
[13:02] <rick_h> so they don't run jslint and crash horribly after a ycombinator post, love it
[13:03] <snap-l> That and the founders have to personally answer the flood of disgruntled emails.
[13:03] <rick_h> heh, love that the post has no comments
[13:03] <snap-l> They might have them turned off
[13:05] <brousch> rick_h: what talk?
[13:05] <snap-l> I wonder if someone had (in the early days) implemented python instead of Javascript.
[13:05] <rick_h> brousch: I'm giving a talk at 1devday tomorrow
[13:05] <brousch> ah, the detroit thing
[13:05] <rick_h> right
[13:05] <snap-l> tomorrow or Saturday. :)
[13:06] <rick_h> oh sweet, sat...I've got another day
[13:06] <rick_h> yay me!
[13:06]  * snap-l apparently is rick_h's personal assistant this week
[13:06] <rick_h> first sealer coat is on the desk top
[13:06] <rick_h> man, I tell you what...I feel lost in a cloud this past week
[13:06] <rick_h> and not a high powered computing cloud
[13:07] <snap-l> It's the sound of $LASTJOB leaving your mind
[13:07] <rick_h> hah
[13:07] <rick_h> yea, I'm "between jobs" kind of strange
[13:07] <snap-l> seriously, if someone asks you next week about something, you'll have to really think about it.
[13:08] <snap-l> "wait, what? the who? where are you calling me from?"
[13:16] <rick_h> ok, I'm hating these damn unity notifications
[13:16] <rick_h> they show up, and when I go to click/close them they fade like "can't catch me..."
[13:16] <rick_h> and then won't leave
[13:16] <ColonelPanic001> heh
[13:16] <snap-l> Ubuntu One, or just in general?
[13:16] <brousch> you're not supposed to click them
[13:16] <rick_h> dropbox in this case
[13:16] <rick_h> also hit it for when I ran gribber
[13:16] <rick_h> gwibber that is
[13:16] <snap-l> Yeah, Gwibber is a real PITA when you start it up
[13:17] <snap-l> especially if you've been, oh, I dunno, active on Twitter for more than a day.
[13:24] <Wolfger> welcome to the pain, rick_h
[13:39] <snap-l> Biggby has a 100oz mug of coffee
[13:39] <snap-l> apparently 7-11 now has coffee competition.
[13:39] <jjesse> but there coffee sucks
[13:56] <snap-l> I like their coffee
[14:00] <brousch> i like biggby
[14:00] <jjesse> it seems to have no flavor to me
[14:00] <rick_h> yea, the one time I went wasn't a big fan
[14:01] <rick_h> but people can make a bad cup so I should try again but they're not really around my area
[14:01] <brousch> i'm currently stuck with biggby or starbucks
[14:02] <brousch> or the filtered wastewater that is office coffee here
[14:05] <jjesse> yeah wastewater coffee sucks
[14:06] <jjesse> i've tried several different bigbies and haven't really enjoyed it
[14:09] <rick_h> snap-l: http://gilir.wordpress.com/2011/11/03/uds-day-3/ see the end of this one
[14:20] <brousch> rick_h: if i leave right after my GRDevDay talk on Saturday I could make your 1devday talk
[14:20] <rick_h> heh, not sure it'll be worth the drive
[14:21] <brousch> hay, you stole our swedberg!
[14:21] <brousch> dangit, get your own jquery expert
[14:22] <snap-l> Rhythmbox is back? Seriously?
[14:23] <jjesse> snap-l they will change next release again
[14:24] <brousch> but i was just getting used to banshee!
[14:24] <snap-l> I think we should just write a new one
[14:25] <snap-l> And Banshee in 11.10 became the default for just about every media type
[14:26] <jrwren> YAY BANSHEE!
[14:26] <jrwren> I love debian/ubuntu mono and banshee.
[14:26] <jrwren> its come so far over the years and really countered everything the naysayers have said.
[14:26] <snap-l> And because it's not GTK3, it's getting bumped from the CD. ;)
[14:27] <jrwren> it is?
[14:27] <jrwren> rb is default?
[14:27] <snap-l> Conclusion, RB will probably be back on the CD, if no problem is raised by the other teams not present during the session. The decision was not easy, but IMO it makes sense in the context of an LTS. And, well, Banshee will still be available in the archive, will at least the same level of integration than in 11.10.
[14:27] <jjesse> thought the post said it would still be on the cd
[14:27] <jjesse> got confused
[14:28] <brousch> hm, i was going to put some python eating various animals pics in my talk, but they are all kind of off-putting
[14:32] <snap-l> And yes, I've finally gotten used to Banshee's quirks. :)
[14:32] <rick_h> snap-l: I thought you'd appreciate that
[14:32] <jrwren> from waht I've seen of RB in the past, i'd not be surprised if it take more space on the CD than banshee
[14:33] <rick_h> than banshee + mono?
[14:33] <rick_h> RB is getting all the gtk for free since it's shared
[14:33] <rick_h> but they're saying banshee is the last mono on the cd
[14:33] <jrwren> yeah.
[14:33] <jrwren> mono is TINY to ship.
[14:33] <jrwren> in debian.
[14:33] <jrwren> and ubuntu
[14:34] <jrwren> damn shame.
[14:34] <jrwren> end of an era.
[14:34] <jrwren> its a bad precident.
[14:34] <jrwren> I'll bet LOTS of gtk2 python apps ship on CD.
[14:35] <jrwren> since that is most of what canonical writes for ubu mgmt
[14:35] <jrwren> isn't software center a gtk2 python app?
[14:35] <jrwren> oh nope, its been updated to gtk3.
[14:35] <jrwren> wow, i wonder how much work it was to move all the canonical python apps to gtk3
[14:43] <snap-l> likely as much effort as it was to get the lirary for GTK3+ working with Python
[15:05] <rick_h> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2011/11/amazon-bypasses-library-lends-kindle-books-directly-to-prime-users.ars
[15:05] <rick_h> 5k isn't a ton to start, but it's a start
[15:05] <snap-l> wow
[15:08] <rick_h> that's cool, my wife wanted to read the hunger games series and now she just can without having to buy them, sweet
[15:15] <jrwren> i've not looked at how different the gtk3 api is from gtk2. i'd guess it is very similar so maybe some ports are trivial?
[15:17] <snap-l> jrwren: Not sure. I haven't looked at GTK3 either.
[15:24] <snap-l> This site for beneifts stuff at work has a usage agreement
[15:25] <snap-l> Provider grants you, according to your Service level and account standing, the non-exclusive, limited right, with a standard web browser not supplied by Provider, to use the Service and the text, information, software, images, and other material contained on or made available in connection with the Service, all for your own personal use. You may not share your access to or distribute any of the
[15:25] <snap-l> Content to others without the prior written permission of Provider.
[15:26] <snap-l> That's so cute.
[16:01] <greg-g> what the hell?! Rhythmbox?
[16:05] <rick_h> http://raynos.org/blog/14/jQuery-vs-POJS :)
[16:54] <snap-l> I <3 programming pissing contests. They're so much better than real work. ;)
[16:57] <snap-l> http://www.freep.com/article/20111103/NEWS01/111103023/Feds-charge-Detroit-city-official-bribery-embezzlement <- Surprise!
[17:01] <_stink_> yay!
[17:42] <snap-l> http://i.imgur.com/5mk5G.png
[17:44] <greg-g> yo dawg...
[17:45] <snap-l> http://memegenerator.net/cache/instances/400x/10/10871/11132040.jpg
[17:45] <snap-l> Already there.
[17:46] <Wolfger> snap-l: Detroit city officials being charged with crimes? Inconceivable!
[17:47] <jjesse> talk about crazy talk
[17:48] <Wolfger> So, wait... Ubuntu kicked RB to the curb in favor of Banshee, and now is kicking Banshee to the curb in favor of RB? wtf?
[17:48] <snap-l> Wolfger: It's not 100% official
[17:48] <Wolfger> kick them both to the curb and go with Amarok instead
[17:49] <snap-l> Wolfger: Yeah, because THAT'LL solve everything
[17:49] <Wolfger> and since that's a Qt app, may as well just kick Gnome to the curb as well and go all KDE apps
[17:49] <Wolfger> :-)
[18:07] <snap-l> http://cloud9ide.posterous.com/the-time-has-come-to-add-classes-to-javascrip
[18:40] <ColonelPanic001> no
[19:19] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: no?
[19:27] <ColonelPanic001> no
[19:28] <snap-l> Is it just me, or are all of the 5by5 podcasts essentially 5% content, and 95% host / guest wanking?
[19:31] <ColonelPanic001> a podcast of guest wanking. So that's what you listen to all day.
[19:33] <brousch> the explains a lot
[19:36] <snap-l> Sometimes I wonder why I come here. ;)
[19:42] <ColonelPanic001> to listen to the wanking
[19:42] <brousch> ColonelPanic001++
[19:43] <ColonelPanic001> \o/
[20:10] <snap-l> Well, at least I don't have to wonder what you guys are doing in here
[20:10] <snap-l> and now I have a mental image that is difficult to erase without power tools
[20:12] <ColonelPanic001> there's a reason I sit at a desk
[20:15] <brousch> there's a reason i have electrical tape over my webcam
[20:17] <snap-l> There's a reason I don't have a webcam. ;)
[20:19] <ColonelPanic001> there's a reason I'm wan... er, nevermind
[20:19] <_stink_> COC
[20:44] <snap-l> http://lacquer.fi/pauli/blog/2011/11/why-the-mac-app-sandbox-makes-me-sad/ <- Wow
[20:44] <snap-l> What the hell is going on with the industry?
[20:46] <rick_h> you're surprised?
[20:46] <rick_h> this was called out when the app store first came to the mac
[20:46] <snap-l> A little
[20:47] <snap-l> Well, between this and secure boot, it's like we're going away from open and more towards closed
[20:47] <rick_h> exactly
[20:47] <brousch> not we, they
[20:47] <snap-l> At some point we might as well call the applications "cartridges"
[20:47] <rick_h> it's the slow (or not so slow really) progression of the iOS'ing of the PC
[20:48] <rick_h> it's always been too much power, "normal users" want appliances
[20:48] <rick_h> and Apple is giving it to them
[20:48] <snap-l> or in the parlance of every fucking flea-market / garage sale: Tapes.
[20:49] <rick_h> seriously, take an all non-moving parts macbook air, and iOS'ify it and you've got an appliance they'll need to upgrade every couple of years
[20:49] <rick_h> and they can't open/do anything with it
[20:49] <snap-l> Well, and you also have the program s that can be swapped out whenever they need to be without them really needing to kno or care about satate.
[20:49] <snap-l> They just show up with some widgets to crank
[20:50] <snap-l> i dunno.. seems like we're giving up a lot for security
[20:52] <brousch> they
[20:52] <brousch> we are linux
[20:52] <brousch> we are freedom and tinkering!
[20:52] <snap-l> How long before someone thinks this is a good idea for Linux? :)
[20:52] <snap-l> I mean, Ubuntu is becoming a phone / tablet
[20:53] <brousch> unity is pretty much un-tweakable, and it has a software center
[20:53] <brousch> fortunately you can easily move to another window manager/distro
[20:53] <brousch> OSX users are not so fortunate
[20:54] <brousch> hm, only 1 animate gif in my talk. this must be rectified
[20:55] <brousch> what bothers me the most is how much you have to buy in to apple to make appliances
[20:55] <brousch> selling appliances is way more profitable than open source
[20:56] <brousch> money or freedom? a hard choice
[20:59] <snap-l> nnThe One Laptop Per Child (OLPC) project has devised a bizarre plan for deploying its new XO-3 tablet. The organization plans to drop the touchscreen computers from helicopters near remote villages in developing countries. The devices will then be abandoned and left for the villagers to find, distribute, support, and use on their own.
[21:00] <snap-l> I believe this is the WTF moment for the day.
[21:04] <snap-l> Also up for contention for WTF moment of the day: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111031/14012416574/various-lawsuits-trying-to-avoid-admitting-that-porn-classics-debbie-does-dallas-deep-throat-are-public-domain.shtml
[21:13] <greg-g> awe. some.