[00:53] <ScottL> stochastic, ping
[02:16] <holstein> hey bobweaver :)
[02:16] <ScottL> hi bobweaver 
[02:16] <holstein> ScottL is the project lead
[02:16] <holstein> ScottL: i just grabbed bobweaver from #ubuntu-beginners
[02:16] <bobweaver> Hello ScottL  
[02:17] <ScottL> bobweaver, are you interested in ubuntu studio?
[02:17] <bobweaver> Yes I am 
[02:17] <holstein> he's a gold start supporter in the *-beginners channel
[02:17] <holstein> and was asking about how to get more involved helping
[02:17] <bobweaver> thanks holstein  !!
[02:18] <holstein> maybe something to put on the resume
[02:18] <holstein> and i told him we need more code-minded folk
[02:18] <holstein> to help with backporting and maintaining our upcomping LTS :)
[02:18] <ScottL> absolutely!
[02:19] <ScottL> is there particular type of task you would like to assist with?  or would you like me to run down a few topics?
[02:19] <bobweaver> topics would be great ! thanks 
[02:19] <ScottL> we are going to need testers
[02:20] <ScottL> for general testing throughout the cycle which includes both QA ISO image testing and actual performance testing
[02:20] <ScottL> the QA stuff is only about once a month
[02:20] <ScottL> the other is usually for only specific items we are concenred with
[02:20] <ScottL> we will need specific testers perhaps for the -lowlatency kernel we are tyring to get into ubuntu studio
[02:21] <ScottL> the broader the hardware available for tetsing the better
[02:21] <bobweaver> ScottL,  would you like to see lshw ? 
[02:21] <holstein> yeah, virtualbox, netbooks... supercomputers ;)
[02:21] <holstein> whatever
[02:21] <ScottL> we will be moving towards a live dvd and incorporating a patched ubiquity
[02:21] <ScottL> bobweaver, sure :)
[02:22] <bobweaver> ScottL,  I had to patch ubqity on a distro that I made :>) 
[02:22] <ScottL> super cool :)  we will be stealing much from what edubuntu does, but having experience should make it even easier i hope
[02:23] <ScottL> bobweaver, the idea with the ubiquity patch is to allow users to select specific work flows during installation and download those packages
[02:23] <ScottL> this allows us to support specific work flows and tool chains without having to make everyone download every app when they will not use most of them
[02:24] <ScottL> we will most likely ship a standard set of workflow packages on the dvd though
[02:24] <ScottL> we will be also updating our wallpaper, theme, UI, and lightdm theme this cycle
[02:25] <ScottL> holstein, this is the guy i talked to today who said he's coming back to canonical but wants to help us as well, he has recording experience too
[02:25] <ScottL> https://launchpad.net/~awe
[02:25] <ScottL> bobweaver, how does any of that sound to you?
[02:25] <ScottL> we have other stuff as well, like updating documentation and other kinda tedious, menial stuff as well
[02:26] <bobweaver> that all sounds GREAT  http://paste.ubuntu.com/726901/
[02:26] <bobweaver> that is hardware inso 
[02:26] <bobweaver> info * 
[02:27] <bobweaver> I am the kinda person that might need some direction  but I am supper willling to help 
[02:27] <bobweaver> what I mean by that is 
[02:28] <bobweaver> I might need to be told what to do 
[02:28] <bobweaver> kinda shy 
[02:28] <bobweaver> But I want to jump in with you great people :>) 
[02:28] <ScottL> bobweaver, it looks like you are using the onboard audio on that laptop
[02:29] <ScottL> but sure, we can provide direction on stuff to help with
[02:29] <bobweaver> so like docs and vector stuff gimp and pretty good at 
[02:29] <ScottL> did holstein say you have done coding?  or was that someone else?
[02:29] <bobweaver> I have 
[02:29]  * ScottL is checking backscroll
[02:30] <ScottL> okay, which language?  python maybe?
[02:30] <ScottL> done any GUI work with the programming, glade perhaps?  or qt?
[02:30] <bobweaver> sure I know python perl lisp lua luna c c++ c# ect 
[02:30] <ScottL> LOL...rock on man!
[02:30] <ScottL> i've never even heard of lua :)
[02:31] <bobweaver> lua is great scripting lan 
[02:31] <ScottL> yeah, yeah...we can probably find you something to code later on :)
[02:31] <bobweaver> fast 
[02:31] <bobweaver> lua is WOW 
[02:31] <ScottL> here's a quick thumbnail of where we are at currently
[02:31] <bobweaver> I think 
[02:32] <ScottL> last release sucked for some very specific reasons
[02:32] <ScottL> it was extremely functional but not pretty
[02:32] <ScottL> and there have been some major milestone improvements we have been trying to get done for years
[02:32] <ScottL> this cycle we make it pretty and get those milestone improvements done
[02:32] <ScottL> these generally include the things i mentioned previously
[02:33] <ScottL> i.e.
[02:33] <ScottL> 1. lowlatency kernel
[02:33] <ScottL> 2. live dvd
[02:33] <ScottL> 3. update website
[02:33] <ScottL> 4. update theme and UI
[02:33] <ScottL> and wallpaper
[02:33] <ScottL> 5. update lightdm theme
[02:33] <ScottL> we get that and i think we are pretty good
[02:33] <ScottL> holstein, did i miss anything for 12.04?
[02:34] <ScottL> heh, he might be busy or afk for a bit
[02:34] <holstein> ScottL: i dont think so
[02:34] <holstein> yeah, i just made it back in the door
[02:34] <ScottL> oh, good :)
[02:34] <holstein> looks good
[02:34] <ScottL> but bobweaver, we do have some long range goals that include some coding stuff
[02:34] <bobweaver> I would say for this up and coming project I I am best fit in cat 3,4and 5  
[02:34] <ScottL> doesn't mean we can't start on it now though
[02:34] <bobweaver> ScottL,  yes I do 
[02:35] <ScottL> bobweaver, do you know about lightdm and theming it?
[02:35] <bobweaver> yes a little 
[02:35] <ScottL> that's probably our weak link right now
[02:35] <ScottL> .g UDS
[02:35] <ScottL> bleargh
[02:35] <bobweaver> are you also doing a neew plymouth ? 
[02:35] <holstein> i should get thelonius over here though
[02:36] <ScottL> yeah, i keep doing that holstein :P
[02:36] <holstein> whats the deal with bots in this channel?
[02:36] <holstein> its not logged right?
[02:36] <holstein> eh... for later..
[02:36] <ScottL> bobweaver, we hadn't really planned on it, it looks fairly decent compared to the other items, but if we have time then i wouldn't mind it
[02:37] <bobweaver> ScottL,  do you want me to sign a ND ?
[02:37] <bobweaver> non -=disclose 
[02:37] <ScottL> non disclosure?  naw
[02:37] <ScottL> this is all open source stuff, it's all available in the repository, including source code
[02:37] <holstein> yup
[02:37] <ScottL> but back to lightdm, here's the deal
[02:38] <holstein> you can sign a disclosure agreement ;)
[02:38] <ScottL> ubuntu with unity is really freaking up the unity-lightdm-greeter package
[02:38] <ScottL> i'm l;earning a abit about this at UDS in florida
[02:38] <bobweaver> you are at the dev summit lucky !
[02:38] <ScottL> so luke, i.e. the.muso, is suggesting that we use the lightdm engine or backend but use the gtk-lightdm-theme
[02:39] <ScottL> or whatever the pakcage names are
[02:39] <ScottL> apparently the guys working on the unity-greeter are making it really, really fancy with stuff we don't need and hardcoding stuff which will make it difficult to make it work how we want
[02:40] <ScottL> bobweaver, it's really exciting being here, but it's a complete drain on me mentally and physically
[02:40] <bobweaver> :>) 
[02:40] <ScottL> i'm starting to have trouble seeing properly and i'm getting really tired
[02:42] <bobweaver> get some sleep 
[02:42] <bobweaver> we are on the same time line 
[02:42] <ScottL> bobweaver, i'm okay for now, i need to get some stuff done tonight and this is important as well
[02:42] <ScottL> this is a good page to keep up with:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ContributeToDevelopment
[02:42] <ScottL> i'll be updating it tonight and tomorrow with some of the stuff we talked about and more
[02:42] <bobweaver> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/josephmills     <--me  
[02:43] <ScottL> bobweaver, but back to #3, #4, and #5
[02:43] <ScottL> thanks
[02:43] <bobweaver> np 
[02:43] <ScottL> #3 is probably well covered
[02:43] <ScottL> and #4 we will be stealing quite a bit from xubuntu, although you are welcome here as well
[02:43] <ScottL> and #5 probably needs help as we discussed
[02:44] <bobweaver> cool 
[02:45] <bobweaver> I will read everything that I can tonight 
[02:45] <bobweaver> also can you get me more info on what you have heard there please 
[02:46] <bobweaver> maybe email me in the next day or so 
[02:46] <bobweaver> or when ever 
[02:46] <bobweaver> can I also get what you guys have right now 
[02:46] <bobweaver> is there daily builds ?> 
[02:46] <ScottL> bobweaver, let me find a few links for you
[02:47] <bobweaver>  I am going to DL the os right now 
[02:47] <ScottL> here is where the dailies will be built:  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/daily/current/
[02:47] <ScottL> oh, they are not being built right now i believe
[02:47] <ScottL> it's showing the last for oneiric i think
[02:48] <bobweaver> cool 
[02:48] <ScottL> finding other links, connection is slow....
[02:48] <bobweaver> sweet 
[02:48] <ScottL> here is our current code for our lightdm theme:  https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio/ubuntustudio-lightdm-theme
[02:49] <ScottL> xubuntu will be making changes as well during this cycle (they are in the same position) and we may coordinate about that with them
[02:49] <bobweaver> that is Great 
[02:49] <ScottL> but i certainly would not be upset if we lead the way in this and then helped them out for a change ;)
[02:50]  * bobweaver grins 
[02:50] <holstein> yeah, id like to see that too
[02:50] <holstein> that team is really why we have a release this cycle
[02:51] <ScottL> the theme, UI, and wallpaper is a bit messier because it's spread across various packages though and i'm not sure how it aligns with xubuntu's packages
[02:51] <ScottL> maybe we should wait a bit until someone from xubuntu is back next week or so
[02:51] <ScottL> i can talk to mica though while i'm here about who we should talk to in xubuntu-devel about the theming, holstein 
[02:52] <ScottL> bobweaver, even if you start with concept "sketches" (via gimp or inkscape or whatever) for the lightdm theme, we'd love to see them and give some guidance
[02:53] <bobweaver> that sounds Great 
[02:53] <ScottL> holstein, i still want to do a OMG!UbuntuStudio! blog ;)
[02:54] <bobweaver> I am also pulling apart the souce code for light dm 
[02:54] <bobweaver> source * 
[02:54] <holstein> yup :)
[02:54] <bobweaver> I like it alot simple 
[02:55] <ScottL> cool, bobweaver, i'll talk to someone tomorrow about some issue with lightdm as well and feed it back to you
[02:55] <ScottL> bobweaver, are you a graphics kinda guy too?  can you make wallpapers?
[02:55] <bobweaver> that sounds wonderfull
[02:55] <bobweaver> oh yeah 
[02:55] <bobweaver> icons 
[02:55] <bobweaver> and what not also 
[02:56] <ScottL> okay, later in the week i'll try to get you some ideas for wallpapers, etc
[02:56] <ScottL> i think it would be nice to have a "theme" across the wallpaper and lightdm background
[02:56] <bobweaver> I know when I was doing my distro I was always looking for vector  work for icons 
[02:56] <ScottL> and i think i can do it conceptually
[02:57] <ScottL> holstein, do you have another five minutes to work on the etherpad a little more for tonight?
[02:57] <bobweaver> I think that a theme sounds like a good idea 
[02:57] <ScottL> i'm tired but i would like to finish that to a certain stage if we can
[02:57] <ScottL> bobweaver, i saw a really cool image yesterday that was inspirational
[02:57] <holstein> im there! :)
[02:58] <bobweaver> ScottL,  cool pictures ?? 
[02:59] <ScottL> bobweaver, i wish i did!  now i have to see if they scheduled another session, sneak in, and take a picture
[02:59]  * bobweaver nods 
[03:39] <ScottL> holstein, one more thing, what do you think about making a visual design statment by using the ubuntu monospace font
[03:39] <ScottL> http://design.canonical.com/2010/11/the-monospace-is-coming/
[03:40] <holstein> a statement like 'i dont really care for the ubuntu-monospace font' ;)
[03:40] <holstein> ScottL: nah, what do you have in mind?
[03:41] <holstein> something like what we have, but with this font?
[03:45] <ScottL> it was just a thought, but yeah, just switching to a different font but keeping stuff the same
[03:45] <ScottL> xubuntu uses droid which might be slightly small
[03:45] <holstein> i like what we got too
[03:46] <ScottL> that's cool then, was just thinking about stuff
[03:46] <holstein> theres a sense of branding that i dont mind keeping
[03:46] <ScottL> i wouldn't even mind change the Circle of Friends (CoF)
[03:47] <ScottL> did you know that the circles in the CoF is supposed to be audio waves?
[03:47] <ScottL> i don't know how many know that
[03:47] <ScottL> okay, going to bed now but leaving irc open
[03:48] <holstein> nah
[03:48] <holstein> OH... you mean the logo?
[03:48] <holstein> yeah, i did know that
[10:25] <ailo> Hello guys
[10:25] <ailo> ScottL, How are things going?
[10:31] <ailo> Could someone ask abogani not to update his kernels faster than Ubuntu does. Usually he doesn't, but now, in order to get nvidia drivers working, you need kernel headers, and they are uninstallable as long as -generic headers are not existing as well
[10:51] <ScottL> hello ailo , how are you?!
[10:51] <ScottL> we haven't talked in a while, my friend
[10:52] <ScottL> we have been working on with the kernel team to set up a nice working relationship to get the -lowlatency kernel into the repos
[10:52] <ScottL> i believe we will get it down this cycle (as long as the kernel guys keep their end of the bargain)
[10:52] <ScottL>  
[10:53] <ScottL> hallo shnatsel , i spoke wih the ubiquity patch dev yesterday
[10:53] <shnatsel> ScottL: hello!
[10:53] <ScottL> he seems very keen in us using his patch (and maybe helping to maintain it too)
[10:53] <shnatsel> ScottL: great!
[10:53] <shnatsel> yay!
[10:53] <ScottL> the guy seems rather brilliant
[10:54] <shnatsel> ScottL: have you met the cdimage team yet?
[10:54] <ScottL> shnatsel, holstein and i were talking last night about how we should handle this transition as well
[10:54] <ScottL> no, i have not met the cdimage team, per se
[10:54] <shnatsel> ScottL: that patch kinda defines seeds structure, we'll have to make quite a lot of small overlapping seed metapackages
[10:54] <ScottL> i have met many people on it and they know my intent though, i assure you of that
[10:55] <ScottL> shnatsel, that is what me and holstein talked about
[10:55] <shnatsel> awesome!
[10:55] <ScottL> we were thinking of keeping the seed changes somewhat small this time, not too much delta
[10:55] <ScottL> we can always add to them in the coming cycles
[10:55] <ScottL> but we want to make sure we get things done this cycle!
[10:55] <ScottL> not bite off to much
[10:56] <shnatsel> hmm
[10:56] <ScottL> or spend too much time thinking about seeds and workflows
[10:56] <shnatsel> yeah, fair enough
[10:56] <ScottL> shnatsel, these were the ones we thought about last night, not written in stone yet, but considering....
[10:56] <ScottL> 1. light-installation
[10:56] <ScottL> 2. audio-recording
[10:56] <ScottL> 3. audio-generation
[10:57] <ScottL> 4. video
[10:57] <ScottL> 5. graphics
[10:57] <ScottL> and audio-common will be pulled in by #2 or #3
[10:57] <shnatsel> oh, ok
[10:57] <ScottL> we are also considering a possible #6 for podcasting
[10:57] <shnatsel> sounds sane
[10:57] <shnatsel> I'd also add photography.
[10:57] <ScottL> but i don't know if itis tehre
[10:57] <ScottL> OH GOOD!
[10:57] <ScottL> please make suggestions for additions and modifications
[10:58] <ScottL> i will write photography down as well
[10:58] <ScottL> mike and i talked about reviewing with workflow page again to see if we were missing anything in particular
[10:58] <shnatsel> because, there is darktable, there is cinepaint which is not packaged, there are photographic plugins for GIMP...
[10:58] <ScottL> _can_ cinepaint be packaged?  i seem to remember some difficulty about it
[10:59] <ScottL> perhaps it was unstable at the time and crashed alot
[10:59] <shnatsel> ScottL: AFAIK last time they tried to do it, there were some bugs on the debian side
[10:59] <shnatsel> ScottL: and then the process stalled for years
[10:59] <ScottL> i am supposed to speak with quadrispro while here, i'll ask him about it
[10:59] <shnatsel> ScottL: and right now cinepaint website doesn't seem to be maintained
[10:59] <ScottL> oh :(
[11:00] <ScottL> what do you suggest for importing the images from camera?
[11:00] <ScottL> i really should go back and refresh myself with the work flows page
[11:01] <shnatsel> ScottL: Darktable I guess
[11:01] <shnatsel> ScottL: not quite sure though
[11:01] <ScottL> oh, i didn't know it would import images
[11:01] <shnatsel> let me check...
[11:01] <ScottL> i'm not very familiar with darktable to be forthcoming
[11:02] <shnatsel> ScottL: yes, it can
[11:02] <ScottL> cool
[11:05] <ScottL> i'm really excited about all this stuff
[11:05] <ScottL> shnatsel, next week i would like to really have a pretty final idea of what we want as far as seeds
[11:06] <ScottL> colin watson (cjwatson) has asked that i give him a block diagram of where we are heading and i am keen to keep him happy
[11:06] <ScottL> especially since he is involved with the cdimage team ;)
[11:06] <ScottL> we can certainly make considerations for additional workflows we might consider supporting later on and include them as potentials as well
[11:06] <ScottL> in fact i would firmly suggest this
[11:07] <ScottL> i am also trying to figure out how to do roadmaps in launchpad as well
[11:07] <ScottL> i've met a lot of people here and some have asked about this and getting the roadmap would be an easy way to make things public and accessible
[11:09] <shnatsel> ScottL: I think I'll go updating the workflows
[11:10] <shnatsel> s/go updating/go update/
[11:10] <ScottL> good :)  i should have time today and i'll review them as well just to refresh my memory
[11:10] <ScottL> shnatsel, i'm at uds and it is a very intense, exciting experience, but it leaves very little free time to do things
[11:22] <shnatsel> ScottL: awesome, Darktable covers almost all protographic workflow!
[11:22] <ScottL> sweet!  that is really great news and thank you for doing the work to get it into the repos
[11:22] <ScottL> that is awesome :_)
[11:22] <ScottL> :-)
[11:23]  * jussi waves to ScottL
[11:23] <ScottL> hi jussi :)
[11:25] <shnatsel> ScottL: oh btw, I've failed to get anything into Debian repos, I've stuck with their buggy tools and obscure processes
[11:26] <ScottL> i can talk to quadrispro about these as well,
[11:26] <shnatsel> ScottL: I think I'll just post to debian multimedia mailing list, give links to the packages and let them mess with their processes themselves
[11:26] <ScottL> ah good!
[11:26] <ScottL> i have found them to be most helpful
[11:27] <ScottL> shnatsel, which packages are you considering?
[11:27] <shnatsel> ScottL: I've started from GIMP Paint Studio
[11:27] <shnatsel> ScottL: never got to other packages
[11:29] <ScottL> shnatsel, if there is any one particular that you really want for this cycle, you might hurry and at least mail their list about them
[11:29] <ScottL> we will be running into debian freeze for ubuntu not too far from now
[11:30] <ScottL> but i'll make it a point to ask alessio about gimp paint studio when i see him
[11:30] <ScottL> is there another specific package or two that you really want to get in now?
[11:30] <shnatsel> ScottL: thanks!
[11:33] <ScottL> shnatsel, you are most welcome, my friend :-)
[11:34] <shnatsel> ScottL: well, XFCE have changed their thumbnailing architecture, so ora-thumbnailer for Thunar is out 
[11:35] <shnatsel> ScottL: it would be absolutely awesome to get gimp-painter in
[11:35] <shnatsel> ScottL: but since it's a patched GIMP 2.6 and the patches are no longer maintained (though they're really stable by now), it will be hard to do
[13:16] <holstein> ailo: YO
[13:16] <holstein> im about to do some testing, and i was hoping i could find you to help me stay scientific about it
[13:16] <holstein> and when i say 'about to' i mean next week
[13:50] <ScottL> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ReleasePlanning
[13:51] <ScottL> here is a preliminary plan for precise.  can people review it and make additions/modificantions/comments?
[13:51] <ScottL> i am hoping to some how document a roadmap for precise, shnatsel do you have any experience with creating a roadmap in launchpad?
[13:52] <ScottL> i will be back online in about ten/fifteen minutes
[14:56] <ScottL> unplugging and back into channel in fifteen 
[14:56] <shnatsel> ScottL: yes I do, see https://blueprints.launchpad.net/elementaryos/0.2
[14:56] <ScottL> shnatsel, i am saving that link and will check it in fifteen or so
[14:57] <shnatsel> ScottL: it's no way urgent
[15:03] <ScottL> shnatsel, that link is your "roadmap"?
[15:04] <ScottL> i ask because i'm not exactly clear about what defines a roadmap
[15:04] <shnatsel> ScottL: yes, those are our plans for 0.2 release with details, links to specs and code, status info, etc
[15:05] <shnatsel> ScottL: ubuntu uses the same, + they have strictly formatted work items in blueprint whiteboards
[15:05] <ScottL> i seem to remember other projects using a roadmap which had a more visual or graphical aspect to it
[15:05] <ScottL> it seems that ubuntu does not follow the same model
[15:05] <shnatsel> ScottL: than it works like this: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/
[15:05] <ScottL> again, i am very ignorant about roadmaps
[15:05] <shnatsel> ScottL: docs on that: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WorkItemsHowto
[15:05] <ScottL> brilliant!
[15:06] <shnatsel> ScottL: ask ubuntu guys, you're at UDS!
[15:06] <ScottL> i already have but haven't gotten an answer yet, i'm scheduled to later though :)
[15:07] <shnatsel> ScottL: talk to the devs to get your ubuntu flavor there
[15:07] <ScottL> uds is extremely fast paced and busy, finding time to actually talk is sometimes difficult
[15:08] <ScottL> shnatsel, that is another conversation i'm trying to schedule with kate stewart (release manager) who uses that page mainly
[15:08] <ScottL> sadly, i just learned about this page yesterday :(
[15:08] <ScottL> shnatsel, but i should say that you are a wealth of information and have helped ubuntu studio considerably :-)
[15:09] <ScottL> just moving to blueprints has been a great move
[15:09] <shnatsel> ScottL: thanks :)
[15:09] <shnatsel> ScottL: yeah, sometimes I just do nothing and tell others what to do, and somehow it's helpful :_
[15:09] <shnatsel> :)
[15:09] <ScottL> any other pages or ideas you think are helpful, please let me know
[15:09] <ScottL> lol :)
[15:10] <ScottL> ^^^ that was in reference to "telling others what to do"
[15:11] <shnatsel> ScottL: switching to elementary desktop in 12.10? ^^
[15:12] <ScottL> lol, maybe ;)  it would certainly make a design statement
[15:12] <shnatsel> ScottL: oh btw, you can catch some elementary project guys at UDS
[15:12] <ScottL> i've seen a session listed and i checked to see if you were there
[15:12] <shnatsel> ScottL: see what they have to offer and discuss the collab possibilities
[15:13] <ScottL> i will try to catch them
[15:13] <shnatsel> ScottL: I'm not at UDS because I live in Russia and the trip would cost an insane amount of $$ :(
[18:11] <ScottL> nobody has any comments on the preliminary release plan?
[18:11] <ScottL> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ReleasePlanning
[18:33] <astraljava> I'll read it thoroughly later when the fever's gone.
[18:34] <ScottL> astraljava, i'm sorry to hear you have a fever
[18:34] <astraljava> Thanks. No worries, didn't have to work yesterday nor today, and I'll probably be home tomorrow as well.
[19:43] <ailo> holstein, I've been thinking about doing some testing myself. Haven't thought much about it yet, so all I can assist with at the moment would be to describe how we did precious tests
[19:44] <holstein> ailo: sure
[19:44] <holstein> thats enough
[19:44] <holstein> just keeping it scientific
[19:44] <holstein> i want to test with my USB, some interenal hardware and firewire
[19:45] <holstein> with the new generic kernel
[19:45] <holstein> maybe even a mainline
[19:46] <holstein> theres a script on the way too that scott is privvy too
[19:47] <ailo> Yea, I've got pci and firewire myself. I could borrow a usb as well
[19:47] <ailo> A script?
[19:48] <ailo> That's the way I would like to go. Just haven't started working on it at all, since we talked about it at the beginning of this year
[19:48] <holstein> yeah, ive been busy too
[19:48] <holstein> a break-up
[19:49] <holstein> a move
[19:49] <holstein> not all bad, but still...
[19:49] <holstein> anyways, i'll look for you when i actually get harware prepared
[19:50] <holstein> it would be easier for me to do it with a live CD, but whatevre
[19:50] <holstein> ever*
[19:50] <holstein> i want to find the mainline kernel for 12.04 i guess
[21:19] <ScottL> ailo, you mentioned a script earlier for testing the kernel
[21:19] <ScottL> during the -lowlatency kernel blueprint the kernel guys mentioned this quite a bit
[21:20] <ScottL> apparently one of the guys has been wanted to quantify kernel performance for some time
[21:20] <ScottL> which also happens to align with the upstream desires to quantify performance as well
[21:20] <ScottL> they talked about a pacakge in red hat called 'rteval'
[21:20] <ScottL> although they are considering setting up a chain of computers to test latency
[21:21] <ScottL> as well, not just the rteval test
[21:21] <ScottL> the test would be to have a computer generate tones that would be routed through the test machine and measure by either the first or another machine
[21:21] <ScottL> very objective i think
[21:24] <ScottL> they want to do this on variety of audio interfaces and compile a 'latency range'
[21:24] <ScottL> you can read more in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-lowlatency
[21:25] <ScottL> and here are the etherpad notes:  http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/meeting/19798/other-p-lowlatency/
[22:04] <ailo> Looks great ScottL.
[23:21] <stochastic> ailo, ScottL ain't in at the moment
[23:22] <stochastic> argh, sorry I had my window scrolled up, not seeing the current conversation
[23:25] <ailo> stochastic, Are you an old contributor to US? I don't remember if I've seen you here before. 
[23:25] <ailo> I appeared myself at the beginning of this year
[23:26] <stochastic> Yeah, I've been around for a bit here, but the past year or two have been too busy with work (two jobs totalling 70hrs+/week)
[23:26] <stochastic> nice to meet you ailo
[23:26] <ailo> stochastic, Likewise
[23:27] <ailo> Can't say I've contributed much, though I did spend some time testing kernels and coding a replacement for us-controls
[23:27] <ailo> Happy to see that -lowlatency is getting some attention now
[23:29] <ailo> One of my main motives on helping US was that since it's in the main repo, you'd be able to add stuff for making any Ubuntu derived distro audio friendly
[23:29] <ailo> And, the kernel is of course the most important component, since most of the apps come from Debian
[23:31] <ailo> Also, us-controls would be a nice app for tuning the system for pro audio, so that users won't need to know all the details in order to make it happen. Just push a button.
[23:31] <stochastic> nice
[23:32] <ailo> Those were my goals, pretty much. Haven't done much to reach them these last months, though
[23:32] <stochastic> I agree, though it's always good for us to help get useful apps into Debian (or directly into US)
[23:33] <stochastic> Well I'm looking forward to making 12.04 a killer release.