[04:21] <stlsaint> bodhizazen: sup
[04:25] <bodhizazen> 'lo stlsaint
[04:30] <stlsaint> gotta go to work
[04:30] <stlsaint> later
[10:28] <chute> Hello to all - Is there a specific room for Unity beginner questions?
[10:30] <IAmNotThatGuy> Hi chute. You can ask here and If we know, we will answer. Or you can try #unity3d
[10:32] <chute> Thanks :) - I suppose that compiz is an integral part of Unity. What compiz settings would reduce CPU overhead. Compiz consumes 10-15% just on a idle session. I don't need transparent windows, etc...
[10:33] <chute> Also, is there a way to make Dash opaque/non-transparent?
[10:34] <IAmNotThatGuy> Did you install conpiz config manager ?
[10:34] <chute> ccsm (or similar), yes
[10:36] <chute> was able to reduce the launcher icons to 32pixs and make it remain in place.
[10:37] <IAmNotThatGuy> there is a bug regarding CPU usage Bug #803943
[10:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 803943 in unity "compiz consuming a lot of cpu" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/803943
[10:38] <IAmNotThatGuy> Its unassigned yet :(
[10:39] <chute> my question is what settings would reduce.... OK - it is a wait for updates then :)
[10:40] <chute> any chance of getting rid of the Dash transparency?
[10:44] <IAmNotThatGuy> chute: you can change the background if you wish. I think that will do for your query. Kindly look at http://askubuntu.com/questions/32658/how-to-make-unity-2d-dash-background-blurry-transparent-using-qt-code
[10:44] <IAmNotThatGuy> brb
[10:46] <chute> Will have a look now - thanks for your time
[13:28] <Frozen> 11.10 freezes immediately after login, any suggestions here? Started only after updating and restart.
[13:28] <bioterror> can you: ctrl+alt+f1?
[13:28] <bioterror> and log on to the tty?
[13:30] <Frozen> I could, but what's the tty, and what should I do if that works?
[13:30] <Frozen> sorry, first time with ubuntu today
[13:31] <bioterror> okay
[13:31] <bioterror> maybe someone with more patiance could assist you ;)
[13:32] <Frozen> what would i by trying to do on the tty?
[13:32] <bioterror> you should check for /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[13:32] <bioterror> for errors for example
[13:33] <Frozen> and if there are errors?
[13:33] <bioterror> also ~/.xsession-errors is intersting file
[13:33] <bioterror> then we could try to solve problem
[13:34] <Frozen> ok, I'll check. Thanks a lot.
[13:42] <duanedesign> hello malev
[13:42] <malev> hello duanedesign!
[13:43] <duanedesign> brb
[14:39] <nothingspecial> telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl
[14:39] <nothingspecial> oops
[14:39] <nothingspecial> lol
[14:41] <Snicksie> wasnt that the starwars-thing nothingspecial ? :p
[14:41] <nothingspecial> yep
[14:41] <Snicksie> :p
[14:41]  * nothingspecial is playing a game on the forum :P
[15:31] <Noding> My software centre is empty, do I have to do something to activate it?
[15:35] <Noding> Hello? Is this chat empty?
[15:42] <bdfhjk> hi Noding
[15:42] <bdfhjk> Are You still here?
[15:45] <Noding> yes
[15:46] <bdfhjk> You say that your software center is empty
[15:46] <bdfhjk> Can You put in console apt-get update
[15:46] <Noding> I just installed ubuntu for the first time and it is empty when i open it from the launcher
[15:46] <bdfhjk> OK
[15:46] <bdfhjk> 1. Please put apt-get update in console and put log in pastebin.com and send me link to it
[15:46] <bdfhjk> 2.
[15:47] <bdfhjk> please make screenshoot and send me link to it
[15:47] <bdfhjk> I will look at thi
[15:47] <bdfhjk> 'this
[15:47] <bdfhjk> and try to help :-)
[15:47] <Noding> sorry, I'm a genuine beginner, I don't know how to do that
[15:47] <Noding> where is the console I should put the apt-get into?
[15:48] <bdfhjk> try search informations about console in google
[15:48] <bdfhjk> and about making screenshot
[15:49] <bdfhjk> if after 10 minutes You still can't do this
[15:49] <bdfhjk> I try to clarify You
[15:52] <Snicksie> Noding, did you found out what your problem was yet with the software centor or do you still need help? :)
[15:56] <Noding> Well, I know what a console is now, and was about to see what pastebin.com was
[15:59] <hobgoblin> Noding: hi there - do you have the terminal/console open? IF you do paste this command in  - all of it and hit enter, it will ask for your password - when you type it it will not be visible - this is normal
[15:59] <hobgoblin> sudo apt-get update
[16:00] <hobgoblin> then once that has run you can have a look in spoftware centre again
[16:00] <hobgoblin> bdfhjk: why are you telling someone to run apt-get update without root rights?
[16:02] <Noding> so I just plug in the command and then see if that helped?
[16:03] <Noding> is there a way to have the console and desktop open together?
[16:03] <hobgoblin> Noding: oh ...
[16:03] <hobgoblin> did you ctrl+alt+Fsomething?
[16:04] <hobgoblin> if you did then Ctrl+ALt+F7 and you should be back at the desktop and we'll start again :)
[16:05] <hobgoblin> Noding: what we are trying to do with the apt-get command is to update the repositories - this is where you should get the majority of your software
[16:14] <hobgoblin> Noding: are you still there?
[16:21] <Noding> so, that command sent the computer endlessly listing the same error, I had to turn the comp off completely
[16:22] <holstein> Noding: whats the error again?
[16:22]  * holstein looking at the scrollback
[16:22] <holstein> sudo apt-get update will evetually calm down
[16:22] <holstein> you dont want to force shutdown very many times at that stage
[16:23] <holstein> at any stage where the machine is potentially writing to the disc for sure
[16:23] <Noding> it's normal for 10 mins of the same error page affter page?
[16:23] <holstein> you *will* damage the disc that way
[16:23] <holstein> Noding: depends on you connection
[16:23] <holstein> and the error
[16:23] <holstein> what was the error?
[16:24] <Noding> drm:radeon_cs_ioctl] *ERROR* failed to schedule IB
[16:25] <Noding> The desktop was also completely frozen at throughout the period
[16:26] <Noding> hobgoblin was helping before
[16:26] <holstein> Noding: but thats not package manager related.... whats the bigger issue?
[16:26] <holstein> you got no desktop?
[16:26] <holstein> whats going on?
[16:26] <Noding> My software centre is empty when I open it
[16:27] <hobgoblin> software centre is empty holstein - we were trying to get back to the desktop after Noding went to a console instead of a terminal
[16:27] <Noding> and the screen flashes to black several times after a time and then freezes often
[16:27] <Noding> I thought I was supposed to go to a console
[16:28] <hobgoblin> Noding: you can do with a terminal in the desktop :)
[16:29] <Noding> oh, it's like the console but opens simultaneously?
[16:30] <Noding> By the way, it seems to have worked, thanks! The software centre is no longer empty
[16:30] <hobgoblin> good - we'll want to have a look at yourt other issue then I guess :)
[16:30] <holstein> Noding: i would like you to try something next reboot
[16:30] <holstein> when booting, you hit shift, and you'll get a list of kernels in GRUB
[16:31] <hobgoblin> Noding: http://i.imgur.com/VI4u8.jpg
[16:31] <holstein> i would like you to try booting an older kernel and see if the machine seems more stable, less error-y ;)
[16:31] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/583891
[16:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 583891 in linux "X.org crashes sometimes. [drm:radeon_cs_ioctl] *ERROR* Failed to parse relocation -12!" [Medium,Confirmed]
[16:31] <hobgoblin> holstein: not if it's a new version of ubuntu - only one kernel at the moment
[16:31] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/717870
[16:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 717870 in linux "RV710: [drm:radeon_cs_ioctl] *ERROR* Failed to parse relocation -35!" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[16:31] <holstein> is that true Noding ? you havnet upgraded?
[16:32] <holstein> anyways Noding , you are in good hands with hobgoblin :)
[16:32] <hobgoblin> holstein: we have no detail as yet
[16:32] <hobgoblin> holstein: not if the iussue is anything to do wqith At
[16:32] <holstein> feel free and google *any* commands anyone links here or anywhere else for you to just drop in the terminal and run
[16:32] <hobgoblin> d'oh - ATi
[16:33] <holstein> but, we dont do anything here that is not in what we consider to be your best interest
[16:33] <Noding> yes, just the 11.10 version
[16:34] <hobgoblin> Noding: in the terminal run    lspci    - that's a lowercase L not a 1
[16:34] <Noding> I'll try and take some time to read up more, I have no real idea at the moment, I'm afraid.
[16:34] <hobgoblin> look for the VGA line and give us that line - only
[16:35] <holstein> if you have upgraded, you'll likely have an older kernel to try, if you havent, upgrading can be helpful... you can get upgraded packages that can potentially provide better support for your hardware
[16:35] <holstein> or break it more ;)
[16:35] <holstein> but, its a troubleshooing step to try a newer and/or older kernel
[16:41] <Chacious> morning ubuntu-ites
[16:43] <e33> hi
[16:44] <Chacious> how ya doin?
[16:44] <e33> my bluetooth is on, but if i click setup new device it gave me no adaptor found
[16:44] <Chacious> is your bluetooth device in a mode to be found?
[16:45] <Chacious> they usually have a button to hold to put it in  the mode
[16:45] <e33> yes, it is on
[16:45] <Chacious> also not sure about linux but with windows you have to put your ocmputer to be able to be found
[16:46] <Chacious> so someone elses equipment wont use yours on accident
[16:46] <e33> i have ubuntu as opearting system
[16:47] <Chacious> are you on the latest version and up to daate with updates?
[16:47] <e33> yeh
[16:48] <e33> on ubuntu 11.04, the bluetooth was always off
[16:49] <e33> but when i upgrade to 11.10, it became blue
[16:49] <e33> but when i click add device, it gave me no adaptor found
[16:50] <Chacious> hmmm weird
[16:50] <Chacious> what kind of devie you trying to use?
[16:50] <e33> telephone nokia
[16:51] <e33> same problem with wireless :)
[16:51] <Chacious> i've only used blutooth mouse and wifi usb adapter on ubuntu
[16:51] <e33> but i am trying to solve one by one
[16:53] <e33> if you put bluetooth mode on your telephone, your will recognize that??
[16:54] <Chacious> I would help but I dont even know what brand my bluetooth dongle is :( its a really cheap one
[16:54] <Chacious>  with ithaving issues in windows
[16:54] <Chacious> wow cant type, sorry jus woke up
[16:54] <Chacious> having issues with windows 7 with it
[16:55] <Chacious> issues in windows 7 with it*
[16:55] <e33> :)
[16:55] <Chacious> anyone familliar with bluetooth in ubuntu?
[16:56] <Chacious> at least more famillair than me
[16:56] <e33> :)
[16:57] <Chacious> do you know the brand of yours? if so you could try seraching for a forum for your device brand
[16:57] <e33> you know, i will look in bluetooth room, maybe will have answer over there
[16:57] <e33> anyway, thx for your help
[16:57] <Chacious> possibly, hope u get help man
[16:58] <Chacious> sorry i am not much help
[16:59] <e33> no worry man, hope to see you around later
[16:59] <Chacious> im suure we will if you frequent here, I try to help when i can
[17:21] <Chacious> does anyonoe know how to update programs in apt-get?
[17:22] <nlsthzn_> sudo apt-get update?
[17:22] <Chacious> i know how to update and upgrade the os
[17:22] <Chacious> is that not to update the os?
[17:22] <nlsthzn_> that updates everything installed that is updatedable form the repos configured
[17:23] <Chacious> ok thanx for the info
[17:23] <nlsthzn_> if you want a newer version of a specific application you might need to add another repo or something else depending on the software...
[17:23] <Chacious> for a long time iv used linux through gui and only dabled in some command line, trying to go more command line than gui
[17:24] <nlsthzn_> Chacious: but using apt-get or the software center or synaptic is basically the same...
[17:24] <nlsthzn_> different ways to achieve the same means
[17:24] <Chacious> i figured jus wasnt sure on commands to update programs
[17:25] <Chacious> does anyone know what repo boinc-client and boinc-manager are under?
[17:36] <Chacious> gotta get something to eat
[17:36] <Chacious> its chilli in here
[19:26] <Airward> How can I change automatic login on user  accounts? I cant change it back from system setings and so on, it is locked and says system policy prevents changes or smthng like that...
[19:28] <escott> 11.04 or 11.10
[19:31] <Airward> 11.10
[19:35] <escott> Airward, with lightdm presumably
[19:36] <escott> Airward, you could check /etc/lightdm but lightdm ignores its own config files in favor of this accounts-service daemon, and i have no idea how/where that is configured
[19:41] <Airward> do you have any idea why I cant change it normal way, couse i have admin rights (i cant unlock it)?
[19:45] <escott> I have an opinion about lightdm that cannot be expressed in language suitable for this channel which would explain your difficulties
[19:47] <Airward> fair enough
[19:50] <Chacious> I just downloaded the .sh boinc newest release, and it's a .sh file, however I installed boinc through sudo apt-get install; how do I get the update to work as the normal boinc already installed?
[19:51] <Chacious> boinc-core and boinc-manager
[19:51] <nlsthzn_> Chacious: not sure... .sh is just a script... not sure what it does exactly
[19:51] <Chacious> or maybe it was boinc-client
[19:52] <escott> Chacious, you probably dont want both installed so apt-get remove boinc-blah
[19:52] <escott> Chacious, then follow whatever instructions to install the new version, but be sure to put it in /usr/local or /opt
[19:52] <Chacious> should i be asking in the other room how to get it to act like normal one?
[19:52] <Chacious> wasnt sure whether to address boinc channel ur ubuntu
[19:53] <Chacious> k
[20:21] <lassy> hello everybody
[20:21] <lassy> is someone willing to help me formatting a ext. usb hd
[20:22] <escott> cli or gui?
[20:23] <lassy> what?
[20:23] <lassy> gparted doenst work out giving me
[20:23] <lassy> :
[20:23] <lassy> GParted 0.5.1  Libparted 2.2 Create Extended Partition #1 (extended, 931.51 GiB) on /dev/sdc  00:00:00    ( ERROR )      	 create empty partition  00:00:00    ( ERROR ) libparted messages    ( INFO )      	 mac disk labels do not support extended partitions.
[20:24] <lassy> so gui wont work right
[20:24] <escott> cli=command line interface; gui = graphical user interface; ie are you using a terminal or gparted
[20:25] <lassy> i tried gparted
[20:25] <lassy> thats the error log i just posted
[20:25] <escott> its trying to create a dos partition type on a gpt disk
[20:25] <escott> what version of ubuntu is this
[20:26] <lassy> i selected ext3 and ext4 extended
[20:26] <lassy> 10.4 lucid, but the live cd
[20:26] <lassy> its a lacie hd, which had like a setup partition for mac and win which i removed
[20:26] <escott> thats a really old version of gparted
[20:27] <lassy> u think thats the problem?
[20:28] <escott> yes. if you can use a newer live cd that will solve your probablems
[20:28] <lassy> i might dl the 11.10 live cd then
[20:28] <escott> alternately you could you could try the command line
[20:28] <lassy> are u sure here?
[20:29] <lassy> i think i rather try the new live cd, im not so well equipped with any knowledge of commands
[20:30] <escott> almost certain. im a little puzzled by the "mac disk label" comment, but mac anything is probably gpt and gpt support is a bit late to arrive for gparted
[20:31] <ashams> anybody know where to get support for ubuntu mailing lists?
[20:31] <lassy> hu? what "mac disk label" comment??
[20:32] <lassy> uh k i saw it...
[20:33] <lassy> maybe i can try primary, even though its just gonna be for stroage?
[20:34] <Chacious> hmm anyone know a way to remove the workspace switcher icon from the launcher that shows up on the left? "ubuntu 11.1
[20:34] <escott> lassy, in the error message it said "mac disk labels do not support extended partitions"
[20:35] <escott> lassy, i think that should read "gpt does not support extended partitions" or something like that
[20:35] <escott> lassy, in any case i think gpt is likely and would get a newer live cd to verify
[20:36] <lassy> im already dl
[20:36] <lassy> escott, gpt, does that mean gparted?
[20:36] <escott> lassy, no it means guid partition table
[20:36] <escott> lassy, as distinct from msdos partition table which has been the standard since msdos
[20:56] <marion> hello everyone  I am trying to upgrade from 11.04 to 11.10 and its telling me that it cant support the kernel for the graphics. Does anyone know a way to fix this
[20:56] <escott> marion, what exactly is the error message
[20:58] <marion> i cant remember. it was like kernel unsupported when i was trying to run the live cd
[20:58] <marion> and when i try to do a direct install it freezes when its looking at the kernel
[21:00] <escott> it freezes on boot?
[21:00] <escott> !nomodeset
[21:00] <ubot2> A common kernel (boot)parameter is nomodeset, which is needed for some graphic cards that otherwise boot into a black screen or show corrupted splash screen. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 on how to use this parameter
[21:33] <marion> ok so i tried to do the the nonmod thing and it just gave me another error
[21:36] <escott> marion, you have to tell us what those errors are
[21:36] <marion> i took a picture on my camera phone im trying to get it to an image bin thing
[21:42] <marion> so escott this is what im getting http://imagebin.org/182519
[21:43] <escott> unfortunately that looks like the end of a kernel panic not the beginning
[21:43] <escott> you could try and catch the beginning of the panic using the scroll-lock key
[21:43] <marion> so when i get back home you need the beginning and you can probably help me?
[21:43] <escott> another approach might be to use the minimal installer
[21:44] <escott> which may support the hardware better
[21:44] <marion> how do i do that
[21:44] <escott> its a different download
[21:44] <escott> is this an already installed system
[21:44] <escott> or a livecd
[21:44] <marion> cause i am using xubuntu. i have tried using the livecd and the alternate
[21:45] <marion> and i know my system uses the i386
[21:46] <escott> i wont be around much later, but i would suggest trying the ubuntu-minimal installer https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD or if you have a working system trying to figure out what is going on from that end
[21:46] <escott> its much easier to identify problems when its working
[21:46] <marion> ok but can that help me with xubuntu?
[21:48] <escott> xubuntu should have its own minimal cd, if it doesnt then the ubuntu minimal should work, you just need to install xubuntu-desktop instead of ubuntu-desktop
[21:48] <Unit193> It doesn't have a mini cd as it would be the EXACT same
[21:49] <marion> ok so i have to do the ubuntu mini cd and then go to the software distribution center and then download the xubuntu download
[21:50] <marion> and will this update the xubuntu distro that i already have
[21:51] <escott> marion, you won't have a gui with the minimal cd. you will have to type the command sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop. Unit193 can hopefully correct me if im wrong on that
[21:51] <Unit193> Nothing to correct
[21:52] <marion> ok heres hoping it works when i get home
[22:41] <M0hi> Woke up in the middle of a sound sleep LOL
[23:14] <ubuntu1110> hi guys
[23:15] <M0hi> Hi
[23:16] <ubuntu1110> im trying out ubuntu 11.10 oneiric right now and im somehow shocked to find nothing here, where i s the menu, how do i open sthe terminal, open gpaterd etc, i wont find help in google either. im used to the older distributions
[23:17] <holstein> ubuntu1110: check out 10.04
[23:17] <ubuntu1110> hehe, thats what i did before
[23:17] <holstein> http://releases.ubuntu.com/lucid/
[23:17] <ubuntu1110> but this gparted didnt work for me
[23:17] <holstein> this = ??
[23:17] <holstein> what gparted?
[23:18] <holstein> and how did it not work for you?
[23:18] <ubuntu1110> the version coming with the 10.4 live cd
[23:18] <holstein> 10.04*
[23:18] <ubuntu1110> problems formatting
[23:18] <ubuntu1110> with gparted
[23:18] <ubuntu1110> why is this ubuntu 1110 so much different ijm lostr here
[23:18] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1110 in gringotts "dpatches in build modify Makefile.in without modifying Makefile.am" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1110
[23:19] <holstein> http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[23:19] <holstein> i also like the http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ which has parted magic on it
[23:19] <holstein> ubuntu1110: different from 10.04?
[23:20] <ubuntu1110> 11.10, yes very much, holstein
[23:20] <holstein> well, 10.04 has gnome as the desktop, 11.10 has unity
[23:20] <holstein> its a year and a half newer, so the packages are a year and a half newer too
[23:21] <ubuntu1110> hm any chance getting gnome back?? i need the terminal, calculator and all that
[23:21] <nlsthzn_> ubuntu1110: to open terminal Ctrl+Alt+T
[23:21] <holstein> ubuntu1110: sure, but its gnome3
[23:21] <holstein> gnome shell
[23:21] <ubuntu1110> any different?
[23:21] <holstein> ubuntu is doing what its always done, which is provide the most recent version of gnome
[23:21] <holstein> ubuntu1110: ?
[23:21] <holstein> yes, gnome3/gnome shell is different from gnome 2
[23:22] <holstein> its more like unity that gnome3
[23:22] <holstein> xubuntu is a lot like gnome2 in look and feel
[23:22] <holstein> lubuntu too maybe
[23:22] <nlsthzn_> ubuntu1110:  also hit the super key (windows) and start typing the name of an app and it will search and show it for you...
[23:22] <ubuntu1110> hmm, what ever this unity is, i diont like it
[23:22] <holstein> ubuntu1110: yup, thats why there are options
[23:22] <holstein> XFCE
[23:22] <holstein> LXDE
[23:23] <holstein> its all open, you can make your own :)
[23:23] <ubuntu1110> hmm, seems like stress for me
[23:23] <holstein> or, you can try and learn unity
[23:23] <holstein> ubuntu1110: ??
[23:23] <holstein> 10.04 has gnome2
[23:23] <holstein> thats what im using
[23:23] <holstein> install, enjoy :)
[23:23] <ubuntu1110> well, nlsthzn_, ctrl,alt and T doesnt open a termianl
[23:24] <ubuntu1110> hmm
[23:24] <ubuntu1110> i need to partition that exd. hd first
[23:24] <holstein> ubuntu1110: dont leave unity because you havent learned where the terminal keyboard shortcut ie
[23:24] <holstein> is*
[23:24] <holstein> you can change those, make more
[23:25] <holstein> there are quite a few handy shortcuts in unity AFAIK
[23:25] <nlsthzn_> ubuntu1110:  strange... it should... then you could hit super key type term and hit enter I guess
[23:25] <ubuntu1110> but i wanna be able to use the mouse to open it
[23:25] <ubuntu1110> as well
[23:25] <ubuntu1110> iam a neeb, wantr to see what im doing
[23:25] <holstein> this is handy
[23:25] <holstein> http://iloveubuntu.net/sites/default/files/field/image/unity_shortcuts_wallpaper_1.png
[23:25] <ubuntu1110> wheres the superkey?
[23:26] <holstein> its the one that usually has a windows logo on it ubuntu1110
[23:26] <holstein> the menu key?
[23:26] <holstein> ubuntu1110: KDE is what comes with kubuntu
[23:26] <holstein> you might enjoy that, though i find it heavy
[23:27] <holstein> theres a fallback mode
[23:27] <ubuntu1110> but not a lot of users use kubuntu, right, i still wanna have max. support
[23:28] <ubuntu1110> thanks, now i could open termianl and gparted
[23:28] <holstein> ??
[23:28] <holstein> im not sure what you mean
[23:28] <ubuntu1110> any chance of doing this with the mouse?
[23:28] <holstein> you want to use the main distro, use it
[23:28] <holstein> there are plenty of options if you dont like it though
[23:28] <holstein> lots of users use KDE
[23:28] <holstein> its quite popular
[23:28] <holstein> arguably as popular as gnome
[23:29] <nlsthzn_> ubuntu1110: if you click on the top icon in the bar on the left, then click on applications, then click on the top right to choose the catagories etc... so you can use the mouse... but it takes longer
[23:29] <ubuntu1110> is that like the old, easy gnomepanel in the old distros?
[23:29] <holstein> support is really not an issue
[23:29] <holstein> kubuntu = ubuntu = xubuntu
[23:29] <ubuntu1110> hm
[23:29] <ubuntu1110> i dont think its equal
[23:29] <holstein> they are all just different package sets on top of the same or very similar frame and same repositories
[23:29] <holstein> ubuntu1110: doesnt really matter
[23:29] <holstein> they arent equal
[23:30] <holstein> they are the same
[23:30] <ubuntu1110> can i use ubuntu 1110 with gnomw panel?
[23:30] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1110 in gringotts "dpatches in build modify Makefile.in without modifying Makefile.am" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1110
[23:30] <holstein> they have the same pacakges
[23:30] <holstein> ubuntu1110: you can run gnome3
[23:30] <holstein> gnome shell
[23:30] <holstein> thats the version of gnome that is in 11.10
[23:30] <holstein> you can use that
[23:30] <ubuntu1110> well hm all new to me
[23:30] <holstein> theres a fallback mode that looks a lot like the old way
[23:30] <holstein> ubuntu1110: right
[23:30] <holstein> its all new to everyone
[23:31] <holstein> its the latest from gnome
[23:31] <holstein> the latest and greatest :)
[23:31] <ubuntu1110> so howto install gnome shell and set it to fallback mode? maybe thats the solution here ffor me...
[23:31] <holstein> sure
[23:31] <ubuntu1110> holstein ur german?
[23:32] <holstein> but, if you want a gnome-2 desktop experience, i suggest XFCE
[23:32] <ubuntu1110> i thoght the fallback mode is the same?
[23:32] <holstein> ubuntu1110: same as?
[23:32] <holstein> its similar looking
[23:32] <holstein> which is what i said
[23:32] <holstein> its not the same
[23:33] <ubuntu1110> the old 10.4 desktop experience
[23:33] <holstein> if you want something with the same look and feel
[23:33] <holstein> icons
[23:33] <holstein> a panel
[23:33] <holstein> a menu
[23:33] <ubuntu1110> yeah
[23:33] <holstein> thats XFCE
[23:33] <ubuntu1110> im used to that
[23:33] <ubuntu1110> hm
[23:33] <holstein> but, the fallback mode 'looks' like that
[23:33] <holstein> anyways...
[23:33] <holstein> sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback
[23:33] <ubuntu1110> can i install that on this live cd?
[23:33] <holstein> from http://www.liberiangeek.net/2011/08/return-to-ubuntu-classic-desktop-in-ubuntu-11-10/
[23:33] <ubuntu1110> [23:33] <ubuntu1110> can i install that on this live cd? [23:33] <holstein> sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback
[23:34] <holstein> ubuntu1110: it literally wont hurt anything permanently to try it
[23:34] <holstein> you can search gnome-session-fallback from the package manager of your choice
[23:34] <ubuntu1110> hm the link says u need to restart
[23:35] <holstein> maybe
[23:35] <holstein> i just logged out and logged back in when i did it
[23:35] <ubuntu1110> but anyway, im gonna try this solution once i stalled 1101 i think
[23:35] <holstein> ubuntu1110: again, it *literally* *cant* hurt to try it
[23:35] <holstein> 11.10*
[23:35] <ubuntu1110> ill do it but only in fallbnack mode, hope that works
[23:36] <ubuntu1110> *that will work
[23:36] <holstein> i didnt care for it
[23:36] <holstein> or unity
[23:36] <holstein> or gnome3
[23:36] <ubuntu1110> holstein, ur name suggests ur from germany?
[23:36] <holstein> i wanted gnome2 like look/feel
[23:36] <holstein> im using XFCE
[23:36] <ubuntu1110> so do I
[23:36] <holstein> anyways... my name is german
[23:36] <ubuntu1110> is that better than the fallback mode, why?
[23:36] <holstein> im in the US
[23:36] <ubuntu1110> uh k
[23:37] <holstein> ubuntu1110: better is a matter of opinion
[23:37] <ubuntu1110> howdy, over ther....^^
[23:37] <holstein> what is fact is, XFCE is the most like gnome2 right now in look and feel
[23:37] <ubuntu1110> so what is the main reason u like that better than the fallback?
[23:37] <holstein> fallback is not gnome2 like
[23:38] <holstein> the panel
[23:38] <holstein> the look
[23:38] <holstein> the feel
[23:38] <holstein> i didnt care for it
[23:38] <holstein> try it though
[23:38] <holstein> its all free to try :)
[23:38] <ubuntu1110> well, what do i need if i want the old menu and stuff bakc? fallback or xfce?
[23:39] <holstein> ubuntu1110: its gone
[23:39] <holstein> gnome doesnt support gnome 2 anymore
[23:39] <holstein> you can install 10.04 and enjoy it :)
[23:40] <ubuntu1110> well, i want the updates, 10.4 will cease support in some months
[23:40] <holstein> ubuntu1110: actually...
[23:40] <holstein> 11.10 is supported for 18 months
[23:40] <holstein> and 10.04 is supported for 3 years
[23:40] <holstein> SO, they will be supported for the same amount of time
[23:40] <holstein> 10.04 is an LTS
[23:40] <holstein> a long term support
[23:40] <ubuntu1110> i thought 2
[23:40] <ubuntu1110> i know
[23:41] <ubuntu1110> hm
[23:41] <ubuntu1110> im gonna think
[23:41] <holstein> 3 years
[23:41] <ubuntu1110> but i f you say fallback is like the old gnome, that is maybe gonna do it for me
[23:41] <holstein> well, the only way you are going to know is to try it
[23:41] <holstein> this is what i did
[23:41] <holstein> just last week... i installed ubuntu 11.10
[23:41] <ubuntu1110> and, was it the sameß??
[23:42] <holstein> i tried *all* teh UI's
[23:42] <ubuntu1110> ui?
[23:42] <holstein> i tried unity again
[23:42] <holstein> user interfaces*
[23:42] <ubuntu1110> k
[23:42] <holstein> i tried gnome3/shell
[23:42] <holstein> i tried the fallback
[23:42] <ubuntu1110> tell me about fallback?
[23:42] <holstein> XFCE, LXDE, and KDE (also, kubuntu and lubuntu's netbook interfaces)
[23:43] <holstein> i messed around for a week or so
[23:43] <holstein> trying compiz
[23:43] <holstein> i personally landed at XFCE
[23:43] <ubuntu1110> hm
[23:43] <ubuntu1110> doesnt sound good...
[23:43] <holstein> yeah?
[23:43] <ubuntu1110> why was it so messy, fallbck?=
[23:43] <holstein> messy?
[23:43] <holstein> its not messy
[23:43] <holstein> try it
[23:43] <holstein> its just not gnome2
[23:44] <ubuntu1110> in what way is it not?
[23:44] <holstein> ubuntu1110: you'll just have to try it
[23:44] <holstein> gnome2 is gone though
[23:44] <holstein> i think mint is going to try and support it
[23:45] <ubuntu1110> haha, you cant tell me?
[23:45] <holstein> but, its gone anyways... it'll just be old software
[23:45] <holstein> ubuntu1110: ??
[23:45] <holstein> ubuntu1110: i didnt like it man
[23:45] <holstein> thats it
[23:45] <holstein> the panel
[23:45] <holstein> the apps in the pane
[23:45] <holstein> l
[23:45] <holstein> the look, the feel
[23:45] <holstein> its just not gnome2
[23:45] <ubuntu1110> hm
[23:45] <ubuntu1110> ok
[23:45] <holstein> i found XFCE to be *much* more like gnome2
[23:45] <holstein> and current
[23:45] <ubuntu1110> so different then, other appas
[23:45] <holstein> up to date, and supported
[23:45] <holstein> well supported
[23:46] <ubuntu1110> hm
[23:46] <holstein> ubuntu1110: the apps are all still there mostly
[23:46] <holstein> even some gnome apps
[23:46] <holstein> ive pulled them in
[23:46] <holstein> no issues, or a bunch of apps
[23:46] <ubuntu1110> so the fallbck mode isnt going to be supported any longer?
[23:46] <holstein> ubuntu1110: i dont know, and that answer doesnt matter to me
[23:47] <holstein> its not similar enough
[23:47] <holstein> i dont like/want it
[23:47] <holstein> i would think it'll stay there though, and maybe develop
[23:47] <holstein> but, ubuntu/canonnical is focused on unity
[23:47] <holstein> not that gnome wont progress anymore
[23:48] <holstein> its just a UI anyways... i know it frustrating for some
[23:48] <holstein> ive just been using 10.04 til this new-ish netbook
[23:48] <holstein> and i kicked the tires, and landed at XFCE... and i feel like i can live here without much hassle
[23:49] <holstein> i actually prefer it to gnome2 in a lot of ways
[23:51] <ubuntu1110> someone experience formatting an external hd? still getting errors herer
[23:51] <holstein> ubuntu1110: i would just use a live CD
[23:51] <holstein> that ubcd has tests
[23:51] <holstein> maybe the drive is bad ?
[23:51] <ubuntu1110> thats what im doing right now
[23:52] <ubuntu1110> its all new, shouldnt
[23:52] <holstein> i like to take those opportunities to run a test
[23:52] <holstein> ubuntu1110: new doesnt matter
[23:52] <holstein> they come out of the box bad, after shipping or whatever
[23:52] <ubuntu1110> i know, but its the second, u know
[23:52] <Space-Duck> I'm having compiz issues, on a fresh install of Ubuntu 11.10. I installed ccsm then the extra animations. I changed the launcher styling and added the burn effect to closing windows... nothing has taken effect, even after a reboot
[23:52] <ubuntu1110> chances are small that its corrupted
[23:52] <holstein> Space-Duck: make sure you are not in unity-2d...
[23:53] <Space-Duck> I'm not
[23:53] <holstein> ubuntu1110: only one way to be sure :)
[23:53] <holstein> Space-Duck: you have that unity checkbox selected?
[23:53] <ubuntu1110> that would be holstein?
[23:53] <holstein> in ccsm?
[23:53] <Space-Duck> yep, the unity plugin
[23:53] <holstein> ubuntu1110: test it.. there are test in that live CD i suggested
[23:53] <ubuntu1110> 10.4?
[23:54] <ubuntu1110> what is the test called udisk?
[23:54] <holstein> ubuntu1110: theres a 'disk utility' in the ubuntu live CD's
[23:54] <holstein> i suggested http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[23:54] <ubuntu1110> tried to format with that, gave me errors
[23:55] <holstein> ubuntu1110: i thought you were using gparted from 10.04?
[23:55] <ubuntu1110> i was
[23:55] <holstein> ubuntu1110: ok, theres a 'disk utility' in 10.04, and in the other live CD's
[23:55] <ubuntu1110> someone suggested to use it from 1110, thats what im about to do
[23:55] <ubuntu1110> or better; doing right now
[23:56] <Space-Duck> holstein,  last night I changed the settings and the screen went white, no controls, so I turned it off. Today I went into Unity and everything looks fine, with the exception that my settings are not taking effect.
[23:56] <holstein> ubuntu1110: theres gparted, then theres 'disk utility'
[23:56] <holstein> not the same
[23:56] <holstein> you can access SMART data from the utility
[23:56] <holstein> theres no reason to go to a different version of ubuntu for gparted
[23:57] <holstein> i cant imagine it being significantly different
[23:57] <ubuntu1110> hm, so this user was wrong
[23:57] <ubuntu1110> sudo open udisks doesnt open anything
[23:57] <holstein> ubuntu1110: its a suggestion... you tried it.. doesnt seem to have helped you right?
[23:57] <holstein> i would test the disk
[23:57] <ubuntu1110> how?
[23:58] <holstein> ubuntu1110: theres a 'disk utility' in the live CD's
[23:58] <holstein> in 10.04
[23:58] <holstein> or http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[23:58] <ubuntu1110> HM, udisks in 10.4 said it was fine
[23:58] <holstein> ubuntu1110: how long was the test?
[23:58] <ubuntu1110> then tried to format it, dang, didnt work
[23:59] <holstein> im talking about he hour or so test
[23:59] <ubuntu1110> is there a disk util. on this live cd , so i can do thisẞ
[23:59] <ubuntu1110> ?
[23:59] <holstein> Space-Duck: well, i would try and undo those changes.. get back to square one at least
[23:59] <holstein> thats the risk when trying experimental stuff