[00:32] <stochastic> Hey ScottL you pinged me earlier
[00:33] <ScottL> oh yeah :)
[00:33] <stochastic> got time to talk?
[00:33] <ScottL> yes, certainly
[00:33] <ScottL> i was wondering if you were going to lead the website update
[00:34] <ScottL> or what level of involvement you were planning
[00:35] <ScottL> i will need to manage a lot of stuff and i was hoping you could take a sizable portion of the website update
[00:36] <ScottL> i would expect to help with content however
[00:38] <ScottL> i did look at the website and it looks like you have already been busy
[00:38] <ScottL> i think it was last night that i looked
[00:40] <ScottL> stochastic, are you there?
[00:40] <ScottL> oh, i didn't tell you that randall from the vancouver loco is my roommate (at least i don't think i've told you already)
[00:40] <stochastic> oh, sorry, was writing an e-mail
[00:40] <ScottL> hehe, no problem
[00:40] <ScottL> i'm working on the wiki myself ;)
[00:41] <stochastic> sizeable would be an apt word to describe what I can help with on the website
[00:42] <stochastic> say hi to randall for me
[00:42] <stochastic> do you have a draft for the tour that you were thinking of?
[00:44] <stochastic> 1.install, 2.basic operation & GNU 3.audio apps or audio config 4.audio apps or audio config  5. video apps 6. Graphics apps 8.Community
[00:44] <stochastic> ScottL, ^^
[00:44] <ScottL> my thought was an introduction to people unfamiliar with ubuntu studio or ubuntu (or perhaps linux) that would entice them to try it
[00:45] <ScottL> do you think perhaps a "feature tour" _and_ a "what is ubuntu studio" might be in order?
[00:46] <ScottL> oh, i also read the irc log and aiolo's comments about the -controls update was meant for people who "upgrade" from ubuntu i think
[00:47] <ScottL> stochastic, did you see the primilinary release planning?  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ReleasePlanning
[00:47] <ScottL> please make any changes you feel are necessary
[00:47] <ScottL>  
[00:47] <ScottL> this cycle will be different from previous cycles
[00:48] <ScottL> perhaps because we are more involved but also because canonical are doing things different
[00:48] <ScottL> the release manager has changed how our progress is tracked
[00:48] <ScottL> we will be filing blueprints for our goals for this cycle and she will track that progress automatically
[00:48] <ScottL> it's actually quite cool
[00:48] <ScottL> plus also motivated to have it all organized and tracked
[00:49] <ScottL> if you are intersted in seeing it:  status.ubuntu.com
[00:49] <ScottL> ubuntu studio isn't there because we didn't get into this last cycle
[00:49] <ScottL> the flip side to this is that the team really needs to be serious and commitments not made lightly
[00:50] <ScottL> if someone commits to getting something done this cycle, we should really try to honor it
[00:51] <ScottL> i also hope that we can take reasonable responsibilities and actually might assume less that we think we can accomplish
[00:52] <stochastic> wonderful.
[00:52] <stochastic> :)
[00:53] <ScottL> i really am excited about this
[00:53] <ScottL> it should help us get organized, plan, and keep honest about doing stuff :)
[00:53] <ScottL> this is kinda why i'm pushing the preliminary release planning page ;)
[00:54] <stochastic> good
[00:55] <stochastic> let's get an official (bi)weekly time setup to check into that plan soon
[00:55] <ScottL> maybe we should get commitments from people and let that determine where we are at on the plan
[00:55] <ScottL> good idea
[00:56] <ScottL> i also want to start hitting stuff pretty hard fast to get stuff done
[00:56] <ScottL> perhaps we don't put the website as an "official" thing to get done this cycle, we can still do it of course but it won't look bad if we don't then
[00:56] <ScottL> but maybe we should to get it bloody well done
[00:56] <stochastic> we're getting it done.
[00:57] <stochastic> It was being discussed last cycle I was around.
[00:57] <stochastic> It's starting to become 'now or when.....?'
[00:57] <ScottL> lol, yeah i know
[00:58] <ScottL> me and holstein were saying that _anything_ would be better than what it currently is actually
[00:58] <stochastic> I look forward to you just filling in spots around the new webpage when you're bored.
[00:59] <ScottL> i wanted to also update some of the application names as well
[01:00] <ScottL> back to the feature vs introduction pages, do you have an opinion?
[01:00] <stochastic> yes, have you seen the approach I'm taking with application listings on the new site?
[01:00] <ScottL> i saw a list to the package set, is there something else?
[01:01] <stochastic> http://knome.fi/temp/ubuntustudio/wordpress/audio-packages/ <- this is the most developed so far
[01:01] <stochastic> Just highlighting certain major apps as an intro
[01:02] <stochastic> were you wanting to see it more based off those task/workflow charts?
[01:02] <stochastic> or is that intended to be near the tour?
[01:03] <ScottL> well...two things, i guess
[01:03] <ScottL> the introduction isn't meant to be too broad or too specific, just like a 30 sec commercial on television and mention the highlights
[01:03] <ScottL> i suppose it would mention
[01:03] <ScottL> 1. fl/oss and based on ubuntu
[01:04] <ScottL> 2. uses the powerfull and flexible jack as the sound server
[01:04] <ScottL> 3. harneses the power of ardour
[01:04] <ScottL> 4a.  maybe mention 200+ plugins
[01:04] <ScottL> or
[01:05] <ScottL> 4b. mention blender for 3d animations and video editing
[01:05] <stochastic> combine 4a and 3
[01:05] <ScottL> aye!  good call
[01:05] <ScottL> and maybe mention inkscape for scalable vector graphics
[01:06] <ScottL> but for each item i would not expect more than a short paragraph
[01:06] <ScottL> and i thought an image would be nice to add to it
[01:06] <ScottL> s/it/each page
[01:07] <ScottL> kinda like you did for you loco presentation (which randall mentioned the other day)
[01:07] <ScottL> at some point, stochastic, i would like get your input on the work flows and what we will do with the live dvd and ubiquity patch
[01:08] <stochastic> Did you see that presentation?
[01:08] <ScottL> i think you and i did a few things together on it and i think you sent me something to work off of
[01:09] <stochastic> ahh yeah
[01:09] <ScottL> i meant to mention that i liked what you did to the home page and the bottom tabs that are now circles
[01:09] <ScottL> can we make the current a different color?
[01:10] <stochastic> that's what I was about to suggest to knome, but he's on vacay
[01:10] <stochastic> he has the admin access to the actual css and php code
[01:11] <ScottL> ah
[01:11] <stochastic> I've just been adding content and suggesting new ideas/critiques to knome
[01:12] <stochastic> and re-arranging content organization
[01:12] <ScottL> o
[01:12] <ScottL> er
[01:12] <stochastic> what kind of social integration of?
[01:12] <ScottL> i'm trying to organize a "contribute to ubuntu studio development" wiki page
[01:12] <stochastic> you've seen my post on the forums from forever ago right?
[01:12] <ScottL> this way we can explain and link resources and point people there
[01:13] <stochastic> I think it got pushed over to the wiki too
[01:13] <ScottL> yes, i do remember it :)
[01:13] <stochastic> it was fairly informal and slang
[01:13] <ScottL> hehe
[01:13] <ScottL> i'm just trying to give people actually tasks that they can choose and hopefully complete
[01:14] <ScottL> this way we don't have to actively spend time helping people who might not actually do anything ;)
[01:14] <stochastic> if you organize that into a static page, one of the tasks will have to be updating that page
[01:14] <ScottL> and hopefully they get a sense of how involved some of that is
[01:14] <ScottL> aye, that is true
[01:14] <ScottL> but i wasn't going to put _everything_ we might do, just some important stuff
[01:14] <ScottL> and clear it off when we get it completed
[01:14] <stochastic> the page has built-in blog-able organization
[01:15] <ScottL> but i concede that it will require updating however
[01:15] <ScottL> stochastic, your page or the one i'm working on?  have you seen the page i'm working on?
[01:15] <stochastic> link?
[01:16] <ScottL> it's not nearly there, but here is the link:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ContributeToDevelopment
[01:16] <ScottL> i _do_ have ideas, but i'm still not happy with them and playing with organization
[01:17] <stochastic> ScottL, I think if we get used to blogging about something like being tracked on progress.ubuntu.com or about wanting to setup a LiveDVD or begin using ubiquity and the steps that will be needed along that path...
[01:17] <stochastic> here: http://knome.fi/temp/ubuntustudio/wordpress/category/development/
[01:18] <ScottL> that is very true
[01:18] <stochastic> That's under the "article categories" on the new website's homepage
[01:18] <ScottL> i was hoping to use the wiki as a static page to keep the content there though and make it easy for people to find all the infomration
[01:18] <stochastic> both would be fine options
[01:18] <ScottL> ooooh, i like that /development page though
[01:19] <stochastic> both might be the best, particularly because the new site is not yet launched
[01:19] <ScottL> can that feed the front page too like news?
[01:19] <ScottL> oh, i should ask, _are_ we going to put news on the front page? or blog posts?
[01:19] <ScottL> both holstein and i have talked about blogging more updates or news on the website
[01:20] <ScottL> the website is slow for me, i don't know if it's the website or my connection at the hotel
[01:21] <ScottL> oh, i should tell you too, holstein and i used etherpad last night to realtime brainstorm ideas and it was a great tool!
[01:21]  * stochastic has played with etherpad in the past.  it's nice.
[01:21] <ScottL> we were adding our ideas for development and organizing them together, it was actually kinda fun :)
[01:23] <stochastic> Where do you think news should fit?  This should probably tie directly to a team discussion on our social borders for social integration for this site
[01:23] <ScottL> stochastic, i'll commit to looking at the website this weekend in toto and doing what i can to update it and offer opinions as well
[01:23] <stochastic> killer
[01:24] <ScottL> i am very keen to get stuff knocked out aggressively and early to make this release as complete and awesome as i think it can be
[01:24] <stochastic> I guess I take the label of leader on this website task, though if anyone else is a candidate I'll happily take them as leader.
[01:24] <stochastic> I'll chat with knome about that
[01:24] <ScottL> stochastic, let me ask you a question about the front page....
[01:24] <stochastic> sure
[01:24] <ScottL> do you think we are managing vertical space as well as we can?  and are we using all the "banner" area where we talk about audio,video, and graphics?
[01:25] <ScottL> i admit that i am using a laptop monitor
[01:28] <stochastic> I too am using a laptop monitor and think that area will be more detailed soon...
[01:30] <ScottL> do you want to talk about work flows now, stochastic ?
[01:31] <stochastic> sure
[01:32] <ScottL> what we have been considering is to have perhaps a basic install by default, maybe no extra applications or perhaps a minimal set
[01:32] <ScottL> but then use the ubiquity patch that edubuntu uses to allow the user to pick package sets during installation
[01:32] <ScottL> very similar to what we were doing with tasksel
[01:32] <ScottL> i'll find a link....
[01:33] <stochastic> I like this concept
[01:33] <ScottL> http://edubuntu.org/documentation/11.04/installation-guide#Edubuntu_Options_and_Partitioning_
[01:33] <ScottL> if you look at the image on the right you can see the choices for edubuntu
[01:34] <ScottL> i'm not sure about this part, but i think it might have to download the packages over ftp or whatever it does, perhaps aptget
[01:36] <stochastic> ScottL, do you have a link for the code?
[01:36] <ScottL> i'll find it...
[01:38] <ScottL> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/natty/edubuntu-live/natty/view/head:/livecd/ubiquity/plugins/edubuntu-packages.py
[01:38] <ScottL> also there are some notes, i think i'm going to move this link and some notes to the blueprint
[01:38] <ScottL> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+spec/livedvd
[01:39] <stochastic> sweet
[01:50] <stochastic> ScottL, that link directly ties to natty, is there an updated code base for the newer release?  do we know if this code is still functional and used?
[01:51] <ScottL> i believe it is current and still used, i used a link to what shnatsel provided in a google doc
[01:51] <ScottL> therefore, i haven't actually checked launchpad to see if it is current
[01:51] <ScottL> i spoke to the dev in IRC and at uds and he did not mention it is not current or active
[01:53] <stochastic> cool
[01:53] <stochastic> testing ubiquity bugs can be tricky
[01:54] <stochastic> and very risky/hard to fix
[01:54] <ScottL> stochastic, https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/edubuntu-live
[01:54] <ScottL> stephane (the dev) is very interested in us using it because he wants help maintaining it
[01:54] <stochastic> that's the link you should put on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+spec/livedvd
[01:55] <stochastic> sharing helps
[01:55] <ScottL> i will, i am updating it now
[01:55] <stochastic> so stephane I'd love to talk with
[01:56] <ScottL> he is a very nice guy, his irc nick is stgraber and he hangs out in #edubuntu
[01:56] <stochastic> cool
[02:40] <ScottL> stochastic, i have updated the livedvd as best as i currently can: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+spec/livedvd
[02:40] <ScottL> i spoke with steve langresk and colin watson today about it
[02:40] <ScottL> colin agreed to be assigned a task directly, i also hope he gives it a sanity check as well ;)
[11:21] <ScottL> would someone watch this:  https://launchpadlibrarian.net/79252531/login_screen_v02_WP.mov
[11:21] <ScottL> tell me if it has a picture of an outdoor shot with lots of grass and mountains in the back with a lake as well (i believe)
[11:22] <ScottL> and there should be small, white dots in a graph pattern as well
[11:22] <ScottL> sometimes the dots are not extremely visible due to some of the background image colors
[11:23] <shnatsel> ScottL: no lake/mountains
[11:23] <shnatsel> ScottL: only clouds and abstracts
[11:24] <shnatsel> ScottL: the dots are there
[11:24] <ScottL> that is disappointing, but thank you
[11:24] <shnatsel> good idea for a login screen IMHO
[11:24] <ScottL> there was a particular image that motivated me and i wanted to see it again
[11:25] <shnatsel> in elementary we have http://danrabbit.deviantart.com/art/Desktop-Log-In-251559180 and I'm quite happy with it, too
[11:40] <ScottL> going to breakfast
[18:18] <madnick> hi
[18:18] <madnick> ScottL: I saw you pasted some links about login screens, I am working on a generic greeter engine for Xubuntu, which will allow for anything to be implemented with little effort.
[18:18] <madnick> For example, I implemented this: http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/gspaceball/gspaceball-draft.ogg on top of my engine, however, I am currently working on a major redesign of the engine, as well as of the exposure interface.
[18:19] <madnick> Reason I tell you this is because, it would be awesome if we could do something togheter
[18:23] <astraljava> It would indeed.
[18:25] <ScottL> hello :)
[18:26] <ScottL> madnick, are you moving the paddle during that session or is it scripted that way?
[18:26] <madnick> no, im playing it :)
[18:26] <ScottL> it's pretty fantastic either way
[18:27] <ScottL> madnick, and yes, it would be nice to do something together
[18:27] <madnick> :)
[18:27] <ScottL> i'm trying to find an image from one of the unity-greeter sessions that i really like and wanted to base on it for the lightdm theme as well as the wallpaper
[18:28] <ScottL> i should have taken a picture while in the session but i now emailing to try to acquire it
[18:28] <madnick> ah okay :) 
[18:30] <madnick> Well, if you do find it, you could ping me if you like, and we could try to collab on this :P
[18:31] <madnick> however, i suspect lightdm itself may change a fair bit before the release of 12.04
[18:32] <ScottL> i will absolutely ping you if i get the image, i suppose i need to develop a backup if this doesn't work
[18:33] <ScottL> and i don't know how much the lightdm backend will change, but the unity-greeter will change dramatically from what i've seen
[18:34] <madnick> :) i suspect the unity greeter may depend more or less on Ubuntu specific features, last release it needed some gnome libs iirc
[20:48] <ScottL> updated website spec with images:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/update-website-spec
[20:48] <ScottL> i hope this moves us closer to a finalized home page
[20:48] <ScottL> and comments are most certainly welcome!
[20:49] <ScottL> logging for a bit