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evelynhi guys im having some trouble installing xubuntu x386 11.10 from a USB drive00:23
GridCubewhat kind of problem?00:30
GridCubedoes the USB turn into a fire?!00:30
GridCubeD:00:30
Mahmoudhi, can i install a copy of evince that is linked against gtk2 instead of gtk3?00:31
GridCubei guess00:31
Mahmoudhow00:31
GridCubexubuntu has both engines so00:31
GridCubejust install it00:31
Mahmoudjust do sudo apt-get install evince?00:32
MarionSo after I do xset dpms what do I do00:32
GridCubeMahmoud, that should install a version of evince yes00:33
GridCubei don't know if that would be gtk3 or 2 tho00:33
ochosiMahmoud: depending on your version of x/ubuntu you'll either get gtk3 or gtk200:34
GridCube!info evince00:34
ubottuevince (source: evince): Document (PostScript, PDF) viewer. In component main, is optional. Version 3.2.1-0ubuntu2 (oneiric), package size 199 kB, installed size 1088 kB00:34
ochosiMahmoud: until 11.04 you'll get evince gtk200:34
ochosiMahmoud: only in 11.10 there's the gtk3 version of evince00:34
MarionOchosi if I install 11.10 will it just replace my current distribution00:36
GridCubewhat distribution do you have Marion ?00:37
Mahmoudochosi: i have 11.10 but want evince linked against gtk200:37
Marion11.0400:38
ochosiMarion: i guess it's not entirely easy to get the gtk2 version00:39
ochosieehm00:39
ochosii mean Mahmoud, not Marion00:39
Mahmoudsad00:39
Mahmoudwill go dirty mode then (dirty stuff at xubuntu)00:40
ochosiMahmoud: why would you want the gtk2 version?00:40
ochosii mean what's the expected gain?00:40
Mahmoudjust to use gtk2 themes00:41
Mahmoudi'll edit hte gtk2 theme and rename stuff to make it appear as gtk300:41
Mahmoudsee how it works00:41
GridCubeMahmoud, xubuntu has the same theme on gtk3 than gtk200:41
Mahmoudtheir default theme is somewhat white and screwed my eyes00:42
GridCubeoh00:42
Mahmoudwhat's the latest one? dark_days?00:44
Mahmoudor greybird00:44
ochosiMahmoud: yeah, that's a problem. no quick'n'easy solution for that00:44
ochosigreybird is the only xubuntu-theme that has gtk2/3 support00:44
Mahmouddamn. the gtk3 themes are structured very differently (.css files)00:45
ochosiMahmoud: yep i know, i made greybird's gtk3 variant (and the gtk2 one in fact :) )00:47
* GridCube was going to blame ochosi for not making a new albatross theme but he will not because he respects ochosi's hard work :D00:49
ochosihehe00:52
Mahmoudgreybird still sucks00:54
Mahmoudi use atolm + my own changes so that i see no white bg at all while still being useable00:55
Mahmoudwhite bg is just for the stupids who are still thinking that lcd/crt/plazma are white papers00:56
rhin0whats causing "dbus-daemon" to hog 100% of my cpu -- do I have a rootkit or something -- 100% of cpu from bootup01:38
rhin0/etc/int.d/dbus restart have to run even after reboot -- to get cpu down from 100% .. what's it doing?  (dbus-daemon)01:45
rhin0I suspect it's "gnome services" in startup01:46
rhin0i don't even know what uses "dbus-daemon"01:58
rhin0"messaging"01:58
* GridCube has no idea02:02
MarionHey gridcube how hard is it to upgrade from 11.04 to 11.1002:05
GridCubei would guess not so hard02:06
GridCubebut as i always do clean installs i don't really know02:06
GridCubeyou should delete all the . starting folders on your home though02:06
GridCubeall the ones you are sure you don't need to keep02:06
GridCubeso you dont keep conflicting config files02:07
GridCubeand it should work pretty well02:07
Marion2Stupid android02:08
GridCube:P02:08
Marion2So if I install 11.10 will it just replace the current distribution02:09
GridCubepretty much, thats the idea02:10
well_laid_lawnthe upgrade went fine here02:10
GridCube:) ^^ better help then :D02:10
Marion2And would my files be safe our do I need to move them to my secondary hdd02:10
GridCubeMarion2, thats ALWAYS a good idea02:11
well_laid_lawnshould always be backing up anyway ;)02:11
GridCubelet me repeat it THATS ALWAYS A GOOD IDEA02:11
Marion2Who said I have good ideas02:11
babblelag? sigh.02:13
Marion2Ok so any changes I made to say dpms or setting up auto mount would I need to redo that02:14
GridCubeMarion2, on upgrades, i don't think so, but that could happen02:16
* GridCube has never had much luck whit upgrades02:16
rhin0I wouldn't do it02:16
rhin0would clean install02:17
rhin0think I only did an upgrade to 10.10 went ok though02:17
GridCubeyes i would do a clean install too02:17
GridCubebut then you need to reconfigure everything02:17
GridCube:P thats not so hard when you remember how to edit fstab or save a copy of it somewhere and then replace it02:18
well_laid_lawnwith a clean install you don't get to keep things like firefox bookmarks02:26
GridCube>save the json file >restore bookmarks02:26
Marion2Sorry guys I'm at work02:34
Marion2So back up my home folder and my con fig files i edited just to be on the safe side then cross my fingers to see what happens?02:36
well_laid_lawnyeppers02:37
GridCubeyes02:37
GridCubeif you use firefox also save your bookmarks02:37
Marion2I have my firefox profiles saved to my secondary hdd02:37
GridCube:)02:39
* rhin0 wondering why usb-creator-gtk creates usb installs that fail to boot now .. is that since 11.1002:56
rhin0or is my usb key worn out02:57
rhin0naw02:57
GridCuberhin0, you using this http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ ?03:00
rhin0no I just use usb-creator-gtk -- blank the key - write the iso ... so far that's worked03:00
GridCubenever did that03:01
GridCubeunetbootin always worked for me03:01
rhin0i think i've used that before -- creates usb keys specific to the distro -- ok that will prbably work -- suffice to say I think usb-creator-gtk has stopped working in 11.1003:01
GridCubeyou can use an iso whit unetbootin03:02
GridCubeggg with no whit03:03
rhin0i know i've used it before -- just have used usb-creator-gtk because it's simpler -- you don't have to select what distro -- just seemed to create a bootable usb for anything (before)03:03
* GridCube needs to stop writing whit03:03
GridCube:P03:04
* rhin0 following the greece situation -- what will happen03:04
MarionI wish I was at home03:18
KingSphinxI'm trying to install xubuntu-desktop, but apt-get hangs at 8% trying to fetch libpurple.04:05
well_laid_lawnKingSphinx: try a different mirror04:08
KingSphinxThere's a different mirror for Xubuntu?04:09
well_laid_lawn!mirror04:17
ubottuUbuntu installation CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com - Mirrors can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors - PLEASE use the !torrents to download !Oneiric, and help keeping the servers' load low!04:17
well_laid_lawnyep you select it in synaptic04:18
HannofcartHello, I'm trying to connect to a wireless network from a new Xubuntu install. lshw shows me that my wireless card is a BCM4311 device. I don't have any means to connect it via ethernet either so I tried the 'STA - No Intenet Access' method as described in the documentation: http://bit.ly/w0DUvf04:30
HannofcartHowever, running System->Additional Drivers doesn't show any new drivers available for install04:31
HannofcartCan someone please tell me what I ought to be doing?04:31
HannofcartThe wireless device does not show up in ifconfig04:32
KingSphinxIf you're on IRC with that Xubuntu install, I think that means you got drivers working.04:32
HannofcartKingSphinx, heh, no this is a different machine04:32
KingSphinxOh wait... sorry. Didn't see the next posts.04:32
KingSphinxTry restarting? That usually works for me and my BCM4318.04:33
HannofcartKingSphinx, yes, did that. Still no drivers visible04:33
KingSphinxBTW, I'm still trying to install xubuntu-desktop, and it still sticks at 8% and fails. I don't have Synaptic because I run Kubuntu on my machine.04:36
HannofcartKingSphinx, you can make do with apt-get04:38
Hannofcartno?04:38
KingSphinxBut apt-get is precisely the problem right now. When trying to install xubuntu-desktop with apt-get, it gets stuck trying to fetch libpurple and eventually fails with a "Hash suh mismatch" error.04:39
KingSphinx*sum04:39
well_laid_lawnKingSphinx: you can check in /etc/apt/sources.list which mirror you are using and maybe change it04:52
evelynhi there, im having trouble booting into my freshly installed xubuntu install. the splash screen loads, and then i get stuck at a looping screen04:53
evelynthe screen just seems to flash over and over...04:53
well_laid_lawnevelyn: that's weird - did you do the cd check?04:55
evelynhmm no, i think its a driver issue. seems like other people are having it here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=180761204:55
evelyni am able to switch to tty1 and get a login there04:56
well_laid_lawnevelyn: tried running an update?04:58
Marion2So I'm trying to boot a linux install disk and it just goes tip black after I choose install xubuntu05:33
well_laid_lawnit'll probably need a kernel boot parameter for the graphics05:44
jimmy8888hi how do i change my clock? it is incorrect by one hour06:11
jimmy8888dpkg-reconfigure tzdata fixed it06:15
marionso i burned a new copy of the xubuntu and its going to a black screen after i hit enyert on install xubuntu07:37
well_laid_lawndid you do the cd check?07:38
well_laid_lawnit'll probably need a kernel boot parameter for the graphics07:38
marionso what do i need to do lawn?07:39
well_laid_lawnfirst I'd check the cd from the cd's menu07:39
marionat that menu that gives me the option to install?07:40
well_laid_lawnyep07:40
well_laid_lawndo you know the graphics card?07:40
marionand that will do the kernel?07:40
marionyeah its an ati graphics card07:40
well_laid_lawnmarion: it will check that the iso you burned it from is ok and that the burn went ok07:41
marionok how do i do the kernel update then07:42
well_laid_lawnit's not an update07:44
marionok so what will i need to do for the kernel boot parameter07:44
well_laid_lawnhow did the cd check go?07:45
marionhavent done it yet07:45
marionim on the linux machine07:45
marionis there a way that i can do a cd check from within07:46
well_laid_lawnI don't know about that - you could check the iso07:47
well_laid_lawn!md507:47
ubottuTo verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows07:47
well_laid_lawnI'd be checking for a bad burn that causes all sorts of issues07:49
marionok i am redownloading just to be on the safe side07:51
mikodosure nice to see more activity here lately .. G'nite :)07:51
marionwithin linux is there another program other than brasero that i can use to burn the iso08:01
marionbrasero is telling me there is not enough space on the disk for the iso08:02
TheSheepmarion: there are several08:03
TheSheepmarion: xfburn for example08:03
TheSheepmarion: or that kde one, forgot the name08:04
TheSheepmarion: k3b08:04
TheSheepmarion: it's also possible, that the iso is too big for your cd08:04
marion677 iso 700 cd08:05
MarionOk well laid lawn are you here still08:31
well_laid_lawnMarion: yep08:35
well_laid_lawn!tab | Marion08:36
ubottuMarion: You can use your <tab> key for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.08:36
well_laid_lawnMarion: you can type wel and hit the tab key and get well_laid_lawn08:37
klawdhi!09:34
klawdhow can i make the terminal start in fullscreen?09:34
well_laid_lawnI can't find an option for that except hit F11 after it starts09:43
klawdi found ~/.local/share/applications09:48
klawdi guess that's key09:48
well_laid_lawnthat's just the mimetypes files09:51
well_laid_lawnyou could have a look at the .desktop files in /usr/share/applications09:53
klawdok, so.. i added gnome-terminal.desktop to ~/.local/share/applications and put Exec=gnome-terminal --window --maximize in it09:57
klawdthat does work but it's buggy somehow09:57
klawdit's too big09:57
well_laid_lawnwhy gnome-terminal?10:00
well_laid_lawnxubuntu has xfce4-terminal10:01
klawdyes, but i don't use it since it's all bold somehow10:01
well_laid_lawnif you run the gnome terminal command from a terminal is the size right?10:03
klawdi found a setting in the options that lets me set the geometry10:07
klawdthat's good enough10:07
well_laid_lawngreat10:07
brokenmorning12:06
brokencan I install xubuntu from inside ubuntu?12:06
gju_yes12:07
gju_apt-get install xubuntu-desktop12:07
Sysi!purexfce12:07
ubottuIf you want to remove all !KDE and !Gnome packages and have a default !Xubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce »12:07
Sysiand parallel works too12:08
brokenthanks12:08
gju_can i somehow hide the skype icon from the xfce notification area? so far i only found how i can hide it under unity.12:09
Sysiskype's settings?12:21
gju_didn't find anything there.12:26
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ochosigju_: if you right-click the panel and get to the settings-dialog of the notification-area you can hide skype's icon13:31
ochosigju_: but an arrow will remain to bring the hidden icons back, winxp-style13:31
gju_thanks for the tip, but it seems that skye doesn't but its icon in this part of the notification-area. at least i cannot hide it in the menu.13:37
jimmy8888hello, does somebody know how to configure bash in xubuntu so that tab-completion works for commands prefixed with 'sudo' ??13:46
jimmy8888(in a simlar way to how the 'normal' ubuntu terminal works)13:47
Sysiworks like that for me..13:48
jimmy8888hmmm is it controlled by .bashrc or a different file?13:48
jimmy8888ok fixed it: `sudo aptitude install bash-completion`13:54
jimmy8888not sure why it was not installed as part of the base xubuntu-desktop metapackage...13:54
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surreal7zHi guys. Look, I have a weird problem. Xubuntu 11.10.  After rebooting computer it connects to my wireless network automatically but when i disconnect it AND try to reconnect it.. the sigh just circles on and on and doesn't connect14:14
surreal7zSo, it just works when it automatically connects at startup14:15
surreal7zI think it has to do with Avahi deamon.... but not sure14:15
surreal7zNow.. I'm connected... but if I want to reconnect it will not work till I restart my computer14:16
surreal7zit's driving me insane14:17
surreal7zAlso:: ad_hoc networks work::: but access point one; don't14:19
surreal7zSeveral times I had pop-out about Avahi service and local domain...14:20
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braintorchhello. Is there a way to replace thunar with nautilus or pcmanfm properly?14:35
TheSheepbraintorch: what do you mean? just use the other file manager14:37
braintorchwhen I open directory or removable drive from desktop it launches thunar14:38
braintorchI searched some option in xfdesktop but had no luck14:38
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TheSheepbraintorch: you can disable that in thunar's preferences14:54
nicolasalve14:56
braintorchTheSheep: if you mean "volume management" I have disabled it already.14:56
nicolacome si può cambiare il cursore di testo in xubuntu in modo da averne uno più sottile?14:57
Pici!it | nicola14:57
ubottunicola: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi « /join #ubuntu-it » senza virgolette)14:57
nicolaok14:58
jimmy8888hi is there a sticky or a faq for installing sun/oracle java in xubuntu 11.10?16:01
Sysi!java16:02
ubottuTo just use java you need a "Java Runtime Environment" (JRE) and/or a browser plugin. If that is not sufficient you will need a "Java Development Kit" (JDK) aka "Software  Development Kit" (SDK).  Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java about how to install one of three current implementations.16:02
KingSphinxReinstalled with Xubuntu 11.10 last night, and so far, I've only gotten sound partially working through my USB headset. That is, I can hear stuff, but the volume control on the headset doesn't work, I have to adjust it using pavucontrol.16:32
Sysivolume control physically doesn't work or panel applet doesn't?16:35
KingSphinxThe volume applet looks like it works (it notifies me about volume changing and whatever), but sound isn't actually getting any quieter/louder, it stays at a constant volume.16:37
KingSphinxI don't know if that all got through...16:37
SysiKingSphinx: change it to use proper mixer/device in settings16:41
KingSphinxI've tried that, but volume still doesn't work properly.16:46
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[h4wk]hi 2 all18:07
[h4wk]I have a question?18:07
[h4wk]:)18:07
totochekuhi18:09
totochekuI love xUbuntu18:09
[h4wk]xD18:13
[h4wk]we all love it :D18:13
Sysi*Xubuntu (I think xbox-ubuntu was called xUbuntu)18:13
[h4wk]Sysi can you help me I have a litle question...18:14
Sysisay seomething with question mark and we'll see18:14
[h4wk]Is there any way to edit xubuntu right-click apps menu?18:15
Sysiit should be the same as panel menu18:15
[h4wk]ok...but how can it be edited?18:16
Sysialacarte or lxmenued18:16
[h4wk]thank you....lxmenued?18:16
Sysiapt-get install --no-install-recommends alacarte18:16
[h4wk]thanks :D18:16
Sysisomething like that, lxmenuedit18:17
[h4wk]Yeah this is cool :D18:20
[h4wk]@Sysi but some of options are not working...is it better to install it with recommends?18:27
preecherif used gparted to create a partition--  can i in turn "reclaim" that space/partition ?   more or less put that partition space back from where i took it from?18:52
TheSheeppreecher: where did you take it from?19:00
TheSheeppreecher: you can delete the partition19:00
TheSheeppreecher: it will then appear as free space19:00
preecherTheSheep, i took it from my main partition where i have xubuntu installed--i was going to dual boot between a couple of different distros but decided i dont wish to do that now and want to put it back if possible  but i can always do a reinstall but was just looking for a easy way out19:02
TheSheeppreecher: you can resize your old partiion when you delete that new one19:06
preecherTheSheep, i will do that then   many thanks-)19:06
SiDihey there19:11
grizlyHi19:12
SiDijust moved to 11.10, I'd like to know among other things: what on earth were nautilus and gnome-settings-daemon installed and running on reboot // what is this new power notification icon in my notification area and how do I get rid of it // why is empathy not using my default font size anymore?19:12
SiDiand also, where is my wallpaper?19:12
grizlyI just found the "Settings Manager" myself, but it seems to cover Notifications/Wallpapers/Startup stuff.. its in the middle of the app launcher19:15
TheSheepSiDi: empathy? nautilus? sounds like you have gnome installed19:16
TheSheepSiDi: the extra power manager icon is probably from gnome-power-manager19:17
SiDiTheSheep: I'm kind of furious yeah. I signed in for XFCE :D19:17
grizlyOr he has a tick in the "Launch GNOME services on startup" under Compatibility options19:17
TheSheepSiDi: how did you install it?19:17
SiDiit was gnome-settings-daemon19:17
SiDiTheSheep: regular update;19:17
SiDigrizly: pretty sure I havent :d19:18
TheSheepgrizly: that would not explain how they got to his disk in the first place19:18
SiDigsd was long time uninstalled19:18
TheSheepSiDi: my theory is that you have some application installed than suddenly became dependent on nautilus in the new version19:18
TheSheepSiDi: so the update pulled it in19:18
TheSheepSiDi: but it's just a working hypothesis19:18
SiDithats not a valid reason for that thing to think it can replace my fluffy and sweet xfdesktop19:19
SiDiand thunar19:19
TheSheepagreed, but nautilus is bad mannered like that19:19
SiDiyour hypothesis is most likely right19:19
TheSheepjust remove it19:19
TheSheepwith package manager19:19
SiDiahah i purged it :D19:20
SiDinow onto font size problems19:20
SiDilol the release notes claim exaile is still the default player19:25
TheSheepto be honest I long ago lost touch with xubuntu defaults, picked my own apps for everything and sticking with them19:27
TheSheepand that's probably the best way for experienced users19:27
TheSheepthat is, for those who actually care which application they are using19:27
SiDiTheSheep: yeah and thats why i dont want an upgrade to add me some apps i dont use19:35
SiDi:D19:35
TheSheepyou can always remove them19:37
TheSheepbut agreed, compulsive upgrading just because there is a new version is not good19:38
SiDigood bye pulseaudio19:39
SiDii'm pissed that i update my system in order to have a recent kernel and apps and that then i have to uninstall DAEMONS that i never asked for19:40
SiDiIm not sure if i did remove xubuntu-desktop before19:40
SiDibut this still annoys me :D19:40
TheSheeppulseaudio is useful19:41
SiDiOk, exaile is completely broken19:41
SiDiTheSheep: it's not to me :o)19:41
TheSheepSiDi: if you like to configure your sound card in every application separately, then sure, go ahead19:42
SiDiTheSheep: GStreamer provides enough interfaces for what I need19:43
SiDii know its friday but i dont have time for troll wars :p19:44
SiDihm19:49
SiDiochosi: there have been changes in GStreamer19:50
SiDiochosi: which might explain the xfce4-volumed bugs and why exaile isnt running anymore.19:50
SiDiI feel like installing debian :/19:50
kapuzedoes anybody know how to enable the thinkpad hotkeys under xubuntu? like Fn+F4 for suspend20:05
MarionSo I am trying to run the 11.10 live cd and it wont support the kernel is there a fix20:08
SiDikapuze: they should work by default unless your laptop's not properly recognized20:11
kapuzethey are recognized well, they work under gnome20:13
Marion2So is there a fix fire the kernel20:18
Arpad2hello20:19
kapuzesolved, i had to configure the shortcut in the settings20:20
Arpad2can 32 bit program versions be installed on 64 bit OS ?20:22
SiDikapuze: then its probably that the key was bound by gnome-settings-daemon, and isnt managed by xfce. Which keys is it?20:23
kapuzeFn+F4 to suspend the computer20:23
SiDikapuze: you might want to ask in #xfce. It should be done by xfce4-power-manager, I think. but it's been a while since I last had a look at these things20:27
kapuzeSiDi: u are right man, i found a setting there in the powet-manager, thanks20:30
Marion2I am having a kernel issue20:42
marionhello everyone  I am trying to upgrade from 11.04 to 11.10 and its telling me that it cant support the kernel for the graphics. Does anyone know a way to fix this20:47
xubuntu467hi20:56
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pertutatishi, anyone know how to disable scrolling on mousepad?  (xubuntu 11.10)21:37
well_laid_lawnpertutatis: you can edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-synaptics.conf file for that21:39
pertutatishow can i do that?21:42
well_laid_lawnpertutatis: try in a terminal   gksu mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-synaptics.conf22:00
pertutatisok22:00
well_laid_lawnand turn anything with scroll in the name to off22:00
pertutatissorry but nothing happens22:01
pertutatiswhat is suposed to run that?22:03
executionistwhat is the simplest way to video call someone from xubuntu to a windows machine?22:05
well_laid_lawnpertutatis: you'll need to at least logout for it to take affect22:06
TheSheepexecutionist: gmail22:06
executionistthe mail client? or google talk?22:06
well_laid_lawnpertutatis: you could make the change through synclient immediately22:07
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pertutatissorry I dont get it22:22
well_laid_lawnpertutatis: synclient is the terminal application that lets you set touchpad properties22:24
well_laid_lawnman synclient22:24
pertutatismay i type man synclient on terminal?22:25
* TheSheep prefers gpointing-device-settings22:25
pertutatisI'm lost here sorry22:27
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